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好像不小心開了專業的話題 但也學習到很多，果然股版神人多 另外也想問問玻璃硬碟 死雞牌harm技術看起來是成功 但好像也是需要到玻璃基板 wd最近好像也在做這塊 這東西在未來也是會改變整個電腦市場 有沒有神人也了解這塊目前的發展呢 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> id44kimo (擁抱吧(B))<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [請益] 玻璃硬碟的未來<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 20:56:30 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 好像不小心開了專業的話題 但也學習到很多，果然股版神人多 另外也想問問玻璃硬碟 死雞牌harm技術看起來是成功 但好像也是需要到玻璃基板 wd最近好像也在做這塊 這東西在未來也是會改變整個電腦市場 有沒有神人也了解這塊目前的發展呢 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 122.121.131.140 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: id44kimo 2026-05-17 20:56:30</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779022592.A.804.html" target="_blank">#1g2Ri0W4 (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779022592.A.804.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779022592.A.804.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andy87115/push?y=26" target="_blank">andy87115</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃心有未來嗎</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 20:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DAEVA/push?y=26" target="_blank">DAEVA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以搞文創做成睪丸</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 20:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/siki588/push?y=26" target="_blank">siki588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來蘋果是預言家 沒事搞液態玻璃</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 20:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schula/push?y=26" target="_blank">schula</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正達上躥下跳中</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 21:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KSUGOD/push?y=26" target="_blank">KSUGOD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了拉 是不是布局 正達了 我也有布局喔</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 21:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BC0710/push?y=26" target="_blank">BC0710</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你是不是想問正達</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/17 21:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 21:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我比較想知道這些東西以後怎玩</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mune/push?y=26" target="_blank">mune</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近玻璃基版在討論區的曝光度很高 可能是太擁擠</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 21:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mune/push?y=26" target="_blank">mune</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明天想跑怕跑不掉 這周末狂放消息</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Redbeansauce/push?y=26" target="_blank">Redbeansauce</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也有正達拉</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 21:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: DTLA；掠懂</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 21:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我只知道玻璃睪丸</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 21:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/angelo98/push?y=26" target="_blank">angelo98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好吃嗎？</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 21:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slippinjimmy/push?y=26" target="_blank">slippinjimmy</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃最近的討論度實在太高惹</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 21:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alan00/push?y=26" target="_blank">alan00</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要碎了</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 21:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poco0960/push?y=26" target="_blank">poco0960</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老玻璃雄起</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 21:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/foolwind/push?y=26" target="_blank">foolwind</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞玻璃</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 21:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Feting/push?y=26" target="_blank">Feting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞玻璃元年</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 21:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你ㄍ 老玻璃</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 21:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/papa004/push?y=26" target="_blank">papa004</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒辦法複寫的技術如何商用？</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 21:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/liarjack5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">liarjack5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近越來越越多玻璃讓我想到以前有個爆料者說人類</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 21:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/liarjack5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">liarjack5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早就跟外星人有接觸，而外星人的動力來源在一塊小</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/liarjack5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">liarjack5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃板裡頭</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/for767/push?y=26" target="_blank">for767</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外星人還要跟人類一樣用動力，還要依賴小玻璃板，那</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 21:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/for767/push?y=26" target="_blank">for767</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也是low</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這東西比較適合冷儲存</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 21:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littleMad/push?y=26" target="_blank">littleMad</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這是看了不可能的任務嗎</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 21:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mini186/push?y=26" target="_blank">mini186</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我買台玻可以嗎？</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 21:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/megamega/push?y=26" target="_blank">megamega</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個不是直接看光洋科嗎？</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 22:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madeinheaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">madeinheaven</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明明就是HAMR</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/djhero/push?y=26" target="_blank">djhero</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 萊瑟塔檔案有提過可將資訊編碼進水晶結構中，外星人</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 22:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/djhero/push?y=26" target="_blank">djhero</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的小玻璃板也許很先進?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HardyJJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">HardyJJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 熱怎麼散？</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 22:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Tohkachan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Tohkachan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做玻璃回收有未來嗎？</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 22:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Fezico/push?y=26" target="_blank">Fezico</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這東西目標拿來冷儲存的，家用就算惹吧</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 22:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tamynumber1/push?y=26" target="_blank">tamynumber1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞玻璃</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 22:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xeins/push?y=26" target="_blank">xeins</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不如ram條 頂多當數據圖書館</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 22:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madeinheaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">madeinheaven</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇在說硬碟用玻璃基板 很多人沒看懂 = =</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 22:46</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> cobras0409. http://disp.cc/b/205-i44a 2026-05-17T20:49:31+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:33+08:00

文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分 原文標題：美著名投資者建議「清空美股」！示警全球金融風暴將至、喊抱緊黃金與白銀 原文連結：https://tw.stock.yahoo.com/news/美著名投資者建議-清空美股-示警全球金融風 財經新聞 - Yahoo股市 Yahoo股市 Yahoo奇摩股市每日更新超過2000則最即時、最全面的財經新聞，包含台股盤勢、基金動態、國際財經、小資理財、專家專欄、研究報告等最新新聞。 ... 暴將至-喊抱緊黃金與白銀-121002341.html 發布時間：2026/5/16 21:10 記者署名： 鉅亨網編譯莊閔棻 原文內容： 量子基金（Quantum Fund）聯合創辦人、傳奇投資大師羅傑斯（Jim Rogers）日前接受媒體 專訪，就中美貿易博弈、全球通膨走勢、油價前景及資產配置策略等重大議題深入表態，並 再度發出嚴厲警示，直指史上最嚴重的金融危機可能在今年席捲全球。 談及當前中美貿易緊張局勢，羅傑斯態度鮮明。他指出，關稅本質上屬於貿易限制措施，雖 能讓少數人受益，但最終代價由普通民眾、納稅人與消費者共同承擔， ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> cobras0409 (中壢金城武)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 服務 鉅亨網 美著名投資者建議「清空美<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 20:49:31 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：美著名投資者建議「清空美股」！示警全球金融風暴將至、喊抱緊黃金與白銀</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：<a href="https://tw.stock.yahoo.com/news/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://tw.stock.yahoo.com/news/</a>美著名投資者建議-清空美股-示警全球金融風</span> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://tw.stock.yahoo.com/news/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>財經新聞 - Yahoo股市</strong></a> Yahoo股市 Yahoo奇摩股市每日更新超過2000則最即時、最全面的財經新聞，包含台股盤勢、基金動態、國際財經、小資理財、專家專欄、研究報告等最新新聞。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">暴將至-喊抱緊黃金與白銀-121002341.html</span> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：2026/5/16 21:10</span> <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 鉅亨網編譯莊閔棻 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">量子基金（Quantum Fund）聯合創辦人、傳奇投資大師羅傑斯（Jim Rogers）日前接受媒體 專訪，就中美貿易博弈、全球通膨走勢、油價前景及資產配置策略等重大議題深入表態，並 再度發出嚴厲警示，直指史上最嚴重的金融危機可能在今年席捲全球。</div> <div class="combine-lines">談及當前中美貿易緊張局勢，羅傑斯態度鮮明。他指出，關稅本質上屬於貿易限制措施，雖 能讓少數人受益，但最終代價由普通民眾、納稅人與消費者共同承擔，對各國而言絕非好事 。</div> 羅傑斯亦指出，歷史上霸權國家與崛起國家之間往往難免衝突，但中美兩國作為當今全球最 重要的兩大經濟體，理應選擇合作共贏的發展路徑，而非持續對抗。 <div class="combine-lines">在地緣政治風險方面，羅傑斯直言，伊朗戰爭無論在外交或經濟層面均缺乏實質意義，並對 美國的判斷提出質疑：「（美國總統）川普自認為清楚自己在做什麼，但實際上他對伊朗局 勢的認知並不清晰。」</div> 他預警，伊朗局勢持續升溫，加上全球石油儲量持續下滑，將導致未來數年油價居高不下， 能源危機風險不可低估。 與此同時，他認為全球通膨並未真正退燒，未來仍將反覆出現。他以一句話提醒普通民眾： 「如果有車，現在就去把油箱加滿吧，未來油價還會繼續上漲，情況只會更糟。」 羅傑斯示警：AI 泡沫與債務危機恐引爆史上最嚴重金融風暴 曾精準預判 1987 年股災、2000 年網路泡沫及 2008 年次貸危機的羅傑斯，此次再度拉響警 報。 他明確點名人工智慧（AI）泡沫與各國債務持續攀升，將成為引爆新一輪全球金融危機的兩 大導火索，且危機規模可能超越歷史上任何一次。 <div class="combine-lines">他以美國為例，坦言憂慮：「美國是有史以來最大的債務國，情況還在持續惡化。我知道屬 於我們的時代即將終結，因為沒有任何國家能永遠維持這種局面而不出問題。我不想說這些 ，但我必須面對現實。」</div> 面對通膨升溫與貨幣貶值的雙重壓力，羅傑斯也公開了自己的投資布局。他透露，目前已清 <div class="combine-lines">空手中絕大多數國家的股票，包括全部美國股票，目前持有的股票部位集中於中國市場。</div> 在抗通膨資產方面，他明確表示不會拋售黃金與白銀，並強調若金價回落，他將持續加碼買 入，白銀亦然。 此外，他也提醒廣大投資人，當市場普遍樂觀、人人歡慶之際，往往正是最需要保持警惕的 時刻，全球市場的大幅修正可能隨時來臨，投資人切勿掉以輕心。 <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> <span style="color:#FFF">空軍的兄弟們</span> <span style="color:#FFF">大家的機會來啦</span> <span style="color:#FFF">讓我們空襲多多</span> <span style="color:#FFF">在空襲警報響起之前</span> <span style="color:#FFF">多蛙們趕快找好防空洞吧</span> ---- Sent from <span style="color:#0000F0">BePTT</span> on my iPhone 16e <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 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<span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第四大持股喔</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanleyplus/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanleyplus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我信了</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 21:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貴金屬真的有避險功能嗎 看幾次崩盤黃金也沒少跌</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 21:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要不要跟索羅斯講好？</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 21:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tayuplay/push?y=26" target="_blank">tayuplay</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每年刷存在</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 21:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/avmm9898/push?y=26" target="_blank">avmm9898</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還以為是清空美債</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 21:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kgppra/push?y=26" target="_blank">kgppra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用羅傑斯查了一下板上的新聞 嗯......該說什麼呢</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 21:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben6421463/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben6421463</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個是複數羅傑，有幾棟豪宅</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 21:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光是看到&quot;目前持有股票集中於中國市場&quot;就知道邏輯有</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 21:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問題 如果美國掛了最好是中國會沒事啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他從2008開始就建議投入中國股市</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 21:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一直到2020年 還在大唱美股完蛋 建議全力投資中國</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dakkon/push?y=26" target="_blank">dakkon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完全沒買AI相關股票，這比嘎空手還慘</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 21:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mecca/push?y=26" target="_blank">mecca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又是他XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 21:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mecca/push?y=26" target="_blank">mecca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2024.7.20 2025.8.11都喊過 果然一年喊一次XDD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusokong/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusokong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 羅傑 嗯…… 懂了</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 21:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mecca/push?y=26" target="_blank">mecca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2023.3.31 2022.7.27 我快笑暈了XDDDDDDDDDDDD</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 21:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusokong/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusokong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每年喊 包牌 總給他喊到一年？</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 21:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntr203/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntr203</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貴金屬蛙在找替死鬼嗎？</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 21:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搜尋傳奇投資人看他更多的傳奇</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 21:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/minshen02/push?y=26" target="_blank">minshen02</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以中國要攻台了沒</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 21:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lmc66/push?y=26" target="_blank">lmc66</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 清空美股 錢進台股</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 21:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KY1998/push?y=26" target="_blank">KY1998</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 羅伯特清崎：我每年都喊崩盤</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 21:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不能說他一定錯 但他至少被嘎了20年</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 21:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gameforyou/push?y=26" target="_blank">gameforyou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美股崩之前買黃金只會被收割~</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 21:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kausan/push?y=26" target="_blank">kausan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了拉 何時要崩也沒說</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 21:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/QMmoQ0g" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/QMmoQ0g.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 21:48</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/wjO72oN" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/wjO72oN.jpeg</a></span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="697" data-ori_h="800" style="width:697px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/QMmoQ0gh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div> <div class="img" data-ori_w="715" data-ori_h="800" style="width:715px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/wjO72oNh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/prussian/push?y=26" target="_blank">prussian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喊一喊神清氣爽 喴一喴精神百倍</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 21:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peterkan/push?y=26" target="_blank">peterkan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又是他</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 21:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LOOKHAO/push?y=26" target="_blank">LOOKHAO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反指標</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 21:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/winner1104/push?y=26" target="_blank">winner1104</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每年喊總有一年會喊對</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 21:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunsamy/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunsamy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 21:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s910612/push?y=26" target="_blank">s910612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝啦</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 22:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wind93/push?y=26" target="_blank">wind93</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又來了</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/17 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國龍哥喔 阿龍哥已經被嘎到轉多了sorry</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pppopp/push?y=26" target="_blank">pppopp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一直喊錯就不要講三小傳奇</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/17 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/took/push?y=26" target="_blank">took</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金跌多少了還在叫，你是套多少啦</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/17 22:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Cll7do9k/push?y=26" target="_blank">Cll7do9k</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: roger2486</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/17 22:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 認真說 手機和黃金 哪個對你比較有用</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/17 22:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有生產力的東西 到底哪來的價值</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難道泡沫 人們就不用網路抱怨了嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sean667cd/push?y=26" target="_blank">sean667cd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老謝 、 Cramer也是傳奇啊 狗屎反指標</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/17 22:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ColdM/push?y=26" target="_blank">ColdM</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 黃金白銀跌更慘</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/17 22:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cloud1030/push?y=26" target="_blank">cloud1030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大反指標</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/17 22:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦羅傑</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/17 22:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a034601481/push?y=26" target="_blank">a034601481</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這人2486喊了這麽久都還沒中真的很爛</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/17 22:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lesbian5566T/push?y=26" target="_blank">lesbian5566T</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老爺爺喊好久了....y</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 22:36</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> Su22. http://disp.cc/b/205-i449 2026-05-17T20:35:29+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:29+08:00

原文標題：橋水持股曝光！台積電成最大新倉　亞馬遜躍第3大持股 原文連結：https://www.nownews.com/news/6836949 橋水持股曝光！台積電成最大新倉 亞馬遜躍第3大持股 | 國際財經 | 財經 | NOWnews今日新聞 美國對沖基金橋水基金第一季大買台積電ADR、加碼輝達與亞馬遜，同時清倉Salesforce，資金正從企業軟體股轉向AI半導體與雲端基礎建設。根據最新13F文件，台積電是橋水本... ... 發布時間：2026-05-16 21:52:55 記者署名：林奇 原文內容： 美國對沖基金橋水基金第一季大買台積電ADR、加碼輝達與亞馬遜，同時清倉Salesforce ，資金正從企業軟體股轉向AI半導體與雲端基礎建設。根據最新13F文件，台積電是橋水 本季最大新建倉標的，部位市值約3.64億美元；Salesforce則成為最大清倉標的，遭減持 逾193萬股。 橋水本季操作主軸相當明確，除了新買台積電，也加碼輝達、美光、博通、邁威爾等半導 體股，其中輝達持股增加約82.8萬股，升為橋水第4大持股。亞馬遜則是本季增持幅度最 大的個股，橋水加碼逾244萬 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> Su22 (裝配匠)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 橋水持股曝光！台積電成最大新倉　亞馬遜<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 20:35:29 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span>橋水持股曝光！台積電成最大新倉　亞馬遜躍第3大持股 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span><a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836949" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.nownews.com/news/6836949</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836949" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>橋水持股曝光！台積電成最大新倉 亞馬遜躍第3大持股 | 國際財經 | 財經 | NOWnews今日新聞</strong></a> <a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836949" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="459" style="width:655px;height:459px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://media.nownews.com/nn_media/thumbnail/2025/12/1766030463732-f72dbd89f903426aa853af28dd0816dd-1024x717.webp?unShow=false" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>美國對沖基金橋水基金第一季大買台積電ADR、加碼輝達與亞馬遜，同時清倉Salesforce，資金正從企業軟體股轉向AI半導體與雲端基礎建設。根據最新13F文件，台積電是橋水本... ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span>2026-05-16 21:52:55 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span>林奇 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">美國對沖基金橋水基金第一季大買台積電ADR、加碼輝達與亞馬遜，同時清倉Salesforce ，資金正從企業軟體股轉向AI半導體與雲端基礎建設。根據最新13F文件，台積電是橋水 本季最大新建倉標的，部位市值約3.64億美元；Salesforce則成為最大清倉標的，遭減持 逾193萬股。</div> <div class="combine-lines">橋水本季操作主軸相當明確，除了新買台積電，也加碼輝達、美光、博通、邁威爾等半導 體股，其中輝達持股增加約82.8萬股，升為橋水第4大持股。亞馬遜則是本季增持幅度最 大的個股，橋水加碼逾244萬股，使其成為第3大重倉股。</div> <div class="combine-lines">相較之下，企業軟體股遭大幅調節，除了Salesforce被全面出清，Workday、ServiceNow 也遭減碼，GoDaddy同樣被清倉。這些個股第一季股價普遍承壓，也反映在高利率與估值 壓力下，橋水對雲端軟體族群態度轉趨保守。</div> <div class="combine-lines">橋水工業股比重上升，新建倉包括Paccar與Kennametal，顯示資金開始布局製造、運輸與 景氣循環相關題材；金融股則被降低曝險，Global Payments、Webster Financial等部位 遭撤出或減碼。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 橋水新建倉且大買台積電,一下子就變成第十大持股 另外與波克夏不同,橋水大幅增持亞馬遜...跟阿貝爾對作? 軟體股則是大砍 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 58.114.13.212 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: Su22 2026-05-17 20:35:29</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779021334.A.70A.html" target="_blank">#1g2ROMSA (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779021334.A.70A.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779021334.A.70A.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 追高殺低</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 20:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 橋水不是白癡 跟單跟單</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 20:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台GG歐印啦</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 20:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arnold3/push?y=26" target="_blank">arnold3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 橋水有巴菲特厲害嗎</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 達里歐這幾年績效比巴菲特更差吧。。</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 20:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開始追高台積電</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1700不買，2300來追高= =好喔</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 20:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ck326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ck326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 橋水和波克夏的玩法就完全不同</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 20:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sim3000/push?y=26" target="_blank">sim3000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ALL in TSM AMZN GOOG</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 20:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過去有錢跑去買godaddy== 不買tsm</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 20:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 操作也是蠻迷的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第1季 說不定真的買在1700</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 20:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/redbeanbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">redbeanbread</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 菜雞現在才買</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恩 13F不是即時的 是上一季持倉變化</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pov/push?y=26" target="_blank">pov</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺雷</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/redbeanbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">redbeanbread</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上次新聞是黃金 自己去看黃金吧</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 20:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人家敢追高 搞不好隔季沖掉了</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 20:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LipaCat5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">LipaCat5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ai是真的最後贏家是誰不知道投基建不會錯</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 20:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Shepherd1987/push?y=26" target="_blank">Shepherd1987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2022年初建倉2022年底倒光光</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 20:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaa80563/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaa80563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無腦多</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 20:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AndyMAX/push?y=26" target="_blank">AndyMAX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/h2P4zNP" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/h2P4zNP.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 20:53</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="554" data-ori_h="554" style="width:554px;height:554px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/h2P4zNP.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hcwang1126/push?y=26" target="_blank">hcwang1126</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不是一直看空的？</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 20:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/siki588/push?y=26" target="_blank">siki588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 21:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 橋水的目標就是波動率最小化</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 21:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可見台積電=安全</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 21:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a58805082/push?y=26" target="_blank">a58805082</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明天跟單買台積</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 橋水很噁心喔</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 21:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GODLP/push?y=26" target="_blank">GODLP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明天台積跌 立馬再加倉</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 21:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mepowerlmay/push?y=26" target="_blank">mepowerlmay</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積電3000</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 21:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/supisces/push?y=26" target="_blank">supisces</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整天喊「外資大撤離中國」，結果橋水在中國的私募規</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 21:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/supisces/push?y=26" target="_blank">supisces</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 模大舉擴張、績效狂飆又不提了？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vodkalime607/push?y=26" target="_blank">vodkalime607</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來要殺一陣子了</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 21:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason88633/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason88633</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 奇怪，喬水的創辦人是著名的中吹怎麼會持股台積電</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 21:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qsc753/push?y=26" target="_blank">qsc753</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就說第一季了怎麼還一堆瞎回覆的==</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 21:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mynumber55/push?y=26" target="_blank">mynumber55</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 22:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 菜雞來抬轎了</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 22:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Shepherd1987/push?y=26" target="_blank">Shepherd1987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: G蛙保重</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 22:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bin199308/push?y=26" target="_blank">bin199308</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: All In 2330</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 22:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pru5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">pru5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才買3億鎂而已寫的好像很多一樣</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 22:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b455104/push?y=26" target="_blank">b455104</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: q1建倉q2就賣了</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 22:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xxx5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">xxx5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買的時候 原油是不是還在70-80元@@</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 22:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 持股曝光後，吸引買氣進場，橋水就會開始賣了</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 22:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韭菜吧？</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 22:42</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> celet. http://disp.cc/b/205-i448 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理性討論，要追玻璃基板就是卡位未來 短期內除了面板廠外，其他很難有機會開始規模試產(設備,廠房) →全文皆為個人主觀判斷，沒有任何依據 來股版不討論技術純討論股票 以下皆基於個人工作經驗 1. 材料－我目前接觸過就康寧,蕭特,AGC,彩虹(中國廠商) 台玻 痾 就算是台廠客戶提供樣品我也沒遇過，彩虹只有一次 主要以前兩間產品為主，不過也可能是因為公司製程限制 所以，目前客戶配合提供適合我們製程的材料 2. 雷射－不清楚 拿到都是已經加工完的TGV板或是素玻璃 客戶找誰加工/用誰機台 抱歉我只是個打雜的 3. 藥水－台廠不知道 我已知有提出的方案有 MKS-ATO(美股MKSI),上村,奧野(跟Panasonic共同開發) 前兩間賣藥水，奧野聽說是走接代工的方式 4. 設備－我覺得這才是台廠主戰場 扣除雷鑽剩下的，去分析上面藥水商製程怎麼跑(設備類型,需求) 總體來說韓國跟美國(Intel相關聯盟)態度最積極 台廠 面板廠板有在跟,載板廠的話 最近麵包才又開始有動 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> celet (宅宅西)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [請益] 玻璃基板取代銅箔基板？<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 20:16:15 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 理性討論，要追玻璃基板就是卡位未來 短期內除了面板廠外，其他很難有機會開始規模試產(設備,廠房) →全文皆為個人主觀判斷，沒有任何依據 來股版不討論技術純討論股票 以下皆基於個人工作經驗 1. 材料－我目前接觸過就康寧,蕭特,AGC,彩虹(中國廠商) 台玻 痾 就算是台廠客戶提供樣品我也沒遇過，彩虹只有一次 主要以前兩間產品為主，不過也可能是因為公司製程限制 所以，目前客戶配合提供適合我們製程的材料 2. 雷射－不清楚 拿到都是已經加工完的TGV板或是素玻璃 客戶找誰加工/用誰機台 抱歉我只是個打雜的 3. 藥水－台廠不知道 我已知有提出的方案有 MKS-ATO(美股MKSI),上村,奧野(跟Panasonic共同開發) 前兩間賣藥水，奧野聽說是走接代工的方式 4. 設備－我覺得這才是台廠主戰場 扣除雷鑽剩下的，去分析上面藥水商製程怎麼跑(設備類型,需求) 總體來說韓國跟美國(Intel相關聯盟)態度最積極 台廠 面板廠板有在跟,載板廠的話 最近麵包才又開始有動作 講兩個小八卦 1. 去年TPCA廠商展示的TGV樣品是台廠客戶的樣品 <a href="https://technews.tw/2025/10/29/mks-atotech-esi-tpca-show/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://technews.tw/2025/10/29/mks-atotech-esi-tpca-show/</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://technews.tw/2025/10/29/mks-atotech-esi-tpca-show/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>MKS Atotech 和 ESI 參加 2025 TPCA Show 和 IMPACT | TechNews 科技新報</strong></a> 一年一度的 TPCA Show 和 IMPACT Conference 於 10 月 22 日至 24 日在台北南港展覽館 1 號館舉行。MKS 的兩大戰略品牌 Atotech 和 ESI 給展會參觀者留下了深刻的印象。無論是人潮絡繹不絕的展位、IMPACT 大會上眾多的論文演講或是特別舉辦的「啟動 ...</div></div> </div> 2. 已經有廠商在蓋廠了 別說怎麼那麼慢 當廠房跟設備像筍子一樣下雨就冒出來了嗎? <a href="https://tw.stock.yahoo.com/share/9abac48c-1c42-3d95-a843-cb7d385dedba" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://tw.stock.yahoo.com/share/9abac48c-1c42-3d95-a843-cb7d385dedba</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://tw.stock.yahoo.com/share/9abac48c-1c42-3d95-a843-cb7d385dedba" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>印度奧里薩州舉行首座先進3D半導體封裝廠動土典禮</strong></a> 印度奧里薩州舉行印度首座先進3D半導體封裝廠動土典禮 依據印度新聞局（Press Information Bureau, PIB）4月19日發布新聞稿，印度東岸奧里薩州(Odisha)布巴尼斯瓦爾（Bhubaneswar）Info Valley頃舉行印度首座先進3D晶片封裝廠動土典禮，象徵印度推動半 ...</div></div> </div> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.230.221.206 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: celet 2026-05-17 20:16:15</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779020179.A.B17.html" target="_blank">#1g2R6JiN (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779020179.A.B17.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779020179.A.B17.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 20:17</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: celet (36.230.221.206 臺灣), 05/17/2026 20:18:17</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 專業推</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 20:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim70142/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim70142</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 坐等某低情商來發言</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tttt0204/push?y=26" target="_blank">tttt0204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 20:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 面板一開始就是個玻璃的，肯定最想從慘業切入AI</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 20:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞玻璃</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是看怎麼克服到鑽孔跟傳輸線怎麼達到至少原先基板</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 或Si的精密度</span></div> 雷鑽我以前在板廠有碰過，不過我本身還是前段濕製程比較熟，後續也沒follow新知 但就客戶提供的樣品來說，要高密度化跟以前在板廠看過的密度沒顯著差異 然後 忘了說 真的要保險牌就是去研究脈衝電鍍這塊 不管是傳統BT,ABF或是玻璃基板 高階載板都會走向高AR比 傳統DC電鍍的特性很難達成需求的 佈線密度問題 這肯定不是問題 能長上去就能咬出來 這板廠老熟了 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 20:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝分享，所以跟mks合作的台廠是？</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 20:32</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: celet (36.230.221.206 臺灣), 05/17/2026 20:39:20</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rhsieh776/push?y=26" target="_blank">rhsieh776</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以，我明天開盤追加</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/d455160/push?y=26" target="_blank">d455160</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看大家討論那麼多，只想知道能不能像光通訊炒起來就</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 20:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/d455160/push?y=26" target="_blank">d455160</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好，ㄏㄏ</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光通訊炒很久啦，這次CPO最接近</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sianan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sianan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光通很確定啊 玻璃基板不確定 台積電就是能用ABF做</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 20:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sianan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sianan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaronkuan/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaronkuan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子動作就是賣廠房，外資與投信在炒股價?</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 20:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/siki588/push?y=26" target="_blank">siki588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子吹說是T1 但比較想抽T0</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 21:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wicer/push?y=26" target="_blank">wicer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這一串討論超有趣 可以感覺到大家都在盡量推薦手上</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 21:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wicer/push?y=26" target="_blank">wicer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己的股票XDD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andyHYK1998/push?y=26" target="_blank">andyHYK1998</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 21:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/james025070/push?y=26" target="_blank">james025070</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 半導體鍍膜才是關鍵製程</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sparxxx/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sparxxx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 麵包是專注跟t合作，其他都不太理會</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 21:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ling9563/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ling9563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鈦昇，群翊，群創，東捷，東台，正達，悅城，安可，</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 21:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ling9563/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ling9563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 耀穎，台玻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tfoxboy123/push?y=26" target="_blank">tfoxboy123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來又要跌了</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 21:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/final00095/push?y=26" target="_blank">final00095</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好的 下週一ABF一根招待</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 21:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starfishfish/push?y=26" target="_blank">starfishfish</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 專業</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 21:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 麵包欣興跟英特爾也有深度合作</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 21:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 麵包玻璃用量驚人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Merlini/push?y=26" target="_blank">Merlini</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下禮拜玩玻璃材料了嗎</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 22:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rhsieh776/push?y=26" target="_blank">rhsieh776</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實只要在大跌盤勢拉一根，更勝千言萬語</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以呢 明天銅箔基板往上還是往下</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 22:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Eric0524/push?y=26" target="_blank">Eric0524</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝分享</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 22:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davidr/push?y=26" target="_blank">davidr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別緊張abf 這東西就像記憶體hbm出來 DDR34還是缺</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 22:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davidr/push?y=26" target="_blank">davidr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到雞犬升天</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davidr/push?y=26" target="_blank">davidr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒道理電視晶片會用上玻璃基板 他是高階HPC的解決</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davidr/push?y=26" target="_blank">davidr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 方案不等於全部科技都需要玻璃基板</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有你的cpu跟傳統伺服器...都很缺先進封裝，別擔心</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 22:28</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> d2623. http://disp.cc/b/205-i43e 2026-05-17T17:10:28+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:14+08:00

這是篇勸世文。 我自已也有開槓桿，信貸約剩160萬，質押68萬，但我都是在自已可以控制的範圍去借。 槓桿是個工具本身沒有對錯，用的好你就是股神，用不好你就會發畢業文。 記住一件事，市場的風險是不可控的。市場公式通常是2+2=5-1，就算你預測的結果是對的 ，但中間的波動是無法預測的。有句話說的好，「看對了趨勢，卻死在波動上」。 既然市場是不可控的，那我們能控制的事情只有一件事，那就是控制好自已本身能承擔的 風險。你一個月的薪資、存款、資產、淨資產及負債有多少，每月收入、支出有多少，人 生的資產負債表狀況，及人生損益表如何，這些東西只有自已最清楚，把這些估計好，失 去工作，遇到特殊狀況時，自已有沒有辦法應對，如果都清楚了，再去開槓桿才是對自已 負責任的作法。 大部份會爆槓桿的人，就是連自已的風險承擔能力都搞不清楚，有賺錢了，就以為自已會 一直賺上去，然後就開始無限制的一直開槓上去，只要一個方向沒看對，直接原地爆炸。 再厲害的人都會有犯錯的時候，重點是在於犯錯時，會不會傷筋動骨，有沒有機會重新來 過。 以我自已來說，我開槓桿的程度，就是在於我睡的安心，崩盤時我也能坦然面對。如果作 不到這些 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> d2623 (Andre Kostolany的追隨者)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [請益] 真的有人敢貸款買股票嗎<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 17:10:28 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 這是篇勸世文。 <div class="combine-lines">我自已也有開槓桿，信貸約剩160萬，質押68萬，但我都是在自已可以控制的範圍去借。 槓桿是個工具本身沒有對錯，用的好你就是股神，用不好你就會發畢業文。</div> 記住一件事，市場的風險是不可控的。市場公式通常是2+2=5-1，就算你預測的結果是對的 ，但中間的波動是無法預測的。有句話說的好，「看對了趨勢，卻死在波動上」。 <div class="combine-lines">既然市場是不可控的，那我們能控制的事情只有一件事，那就是控制好自已本身能承擔的 風險。你一個月的薪資、存款、資產、淨資產及負債有多少，每月收入、支出有多少，人 生的資產負債表狀況，及人生損益表如何，這些東西只有自已最清楚，把這些估計好，失 去工作，遇到特殊狀況時，自已有沒有辦法應對，如果都清楚了，再去開槓桿才是對自已 負責任的作法。</div> <div class="combine-lines">大部份會爆槓桿的人，就是連自已的風險承擔能力都搞不清楚，有賺錢了，就以為自已會 一直賺上去，然後就開始無限制的一直開槓上去，只要一個方向沒看對，直接原地爆炸。 </div> 再厲害的人都會有犯錯的時候，重點是在於犯錯時，會不會傷筋動骨，有沒有機會重新來 過。 以我自已來說，我開槓桿的程度，就是在於我睡的安心，崩盤時我也能坦然面對。如果作 不到這些，最好不要開槓桿，免的錢還沒賺到，心態先崩了。 現在市場好，信心爆棚的人很多，但如果無法控制好自已的風險，那就很有可能是下個發 畢業文的人。 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- 帳面上的獲利有多少並不重要 重點是你能到手的獲利有多少 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 61.224.84.156 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: d2623 2026-05-17 17:10:28</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779009035.A.19B.html" target="_blank">#1g2OOB6R (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779009035.A.19B.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779009035.A.19B.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guk/push?y=26" target="_blank">guk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只敢信貸買台積會爆炸嗎</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 17:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guk/push?y=26" target="_blank">guk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股板天天說台積被超車。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andyHYK1998/push?y=26" target="_blank">andyHYK1998</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好人推一個</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有錢賺就想說一直賺上去，不就現在的股市寫照</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 17:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很多人不懂風控的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b551122/push?y=26" target="_blank">b551122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ==== 推勸世文 但股版鄉民照樣融資 質押 雙貸不怕死</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/17 17:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mapsooooo/push?y=26" target="_blank">mapsooooo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推這篇</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼跟我想的勸世文不一樣</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GDs/push?y=26" target="_blank">GDs</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信貸400+一轉四400 滿手高股息爽領三年被酸左換右手</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s705166/push?y=26" target="_blank">s705166</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推個</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s860703/push?y=26" target="_blank">s860703</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣我等不到看人破產欸</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 贏要衝 輸要縮 賭博穩贏的方法只有不賭</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sbf123/push?y=26" target="_blank">sbf123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐硬，是少年股神還是公司社畜，就看這次了，空起</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 18:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sbf123/push?y=26" target="_blank">sbf123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ㄋㄞˊ</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsubasa1116/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsubasa1116</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推這篇</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MRFROG/push?y=26" target="_blank">MRFROG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好人推</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/afg12/push?y=26" target="_blank">afg12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推好文 但很多根本不知控管風險 只會跟風 真的進入</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 18:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/afg12/push?y=26" target="_blank">afg12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大盤整一定一堆斷頭加法拍屋</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆山頂貪狗，說不定跌10%就能看到畢業文了</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 質押 信貸自救會準備中</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tetsu0401/push?y=26" target="_blank">tetsu0401</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好人推</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 18:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tttt0204/push?y=26" target="_blank">tttt0204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也覺得10%就有畢業文了</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 18:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chucky/push?y=26" target="_blank">chucky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 質押10趴就畢業太誇張了啦</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jokem/push?y=26" target="_blank">jokem</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好人</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiroru/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiroru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勸世文？中文是這樣的嗎</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不會誇張 這種時候才質押的通常也捏不了多少虧損</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chris13210/push?y=26" target="_blank">chris13210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推一個，質押維持率真的不要拉滿</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 18:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 槓桿沒開5倍以上都還好啦</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒人說賭博不好但你不要騙自己是在投資</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 18:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/money1992922/push?y=26" target="_blank">money1992922</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開槓桿崩盤真的能睡著嗎 借的都賠掉還要每個月還錢</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 18:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/money1992922/push?y=26" target="_blank">money1992922</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說不定還大海嘯被裁員 我想到就不敢借</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenda/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 行情好到我都覺得我抓250-300%是不是太保守了...</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 18:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PLAYMYGUN/push?y=26" target="_blank">PLAYMYGUN</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勸世文沒有單是要我怎麼信佛！</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/youtoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">youtoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股版好人多，這個真的要推一個</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gtaped05550/push?y=26" target="_blank">gtaped05550</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我還在聽大仁</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/youtoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">youtoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近熱度我覺得10%就會很多人很慘</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gtaped05550/push?y=26" target="_blank">gtaped05550</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大仁podcast 給我滿滿能量</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nexerodo/push?y=26" target="_blank">nexerodo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/harry0959/push?y=26" target="_blank">harry0959</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我在等大場面</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tatacoco/push?y=26" target="_blank">tatacoco</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資產負債率1.48%，睡得很好</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借錢炒股就跟開槓桿一樣 賺的時候很賺 賠的時候大賠</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 19:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拜訪來個大海嘯好不好?每天看些人在囂張就很不爽!</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拜託</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit61677/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit61677</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信貸本身不會出事，有維持率的才可能出事</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 19:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit61677/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit61677</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信貸每個月還那一點撐不到一年，那怎麼貸出來的？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit61677/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit61677</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是覺得能信貸就信貸，質押維持率就是要拉高</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit61677/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit61677</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 維持率低會導致你股票被迫賣低點，信貸沒這問題</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hihi29/push?y=26" target="_blank">hihi29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇是怕別人賺太多的勸世文==</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 19:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/agvnol/push?y=26" target="_blank">agvnol</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 19:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Howard2/push?y=26" target="_blank">Howard2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推 股市沒有只賺不賠 能在股市中生存得久比較重要</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有畢業文 結果應該是好的 XDDD</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 19:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovingbase/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovingbase</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: …質押500 房貸4500 你們小兒科好嗎？</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 19:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunsamy/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunsamy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勸世好文 開槓桿穩贏的方法只有不輸</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jieen0604/push?y=26" target="_blank">jieen0604</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好人</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 20:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faultless/push?y=26" target="_blank">faultless</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借錢就更要評估風險，像我借房貸跟信貸只敢買937來</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 20:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faultless/push?y=26" target="_blank">faultless</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每月配息還款</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YU0121/push?y=26" target="_blank">YU0121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信貸本身當然不會出事 但很多人每月要繳的信貸金額</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 20:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YU0121/push?y=26" target="_blank">YU0121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是打著每月股市賺的利差去還每月信貸金額</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YU0121/push?y=26" target="_blank">YU0121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 假設借200萬 每月本加息還3萬 200萬 每月只要賺2%</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YU0121/push?y=26" target="_blank">YU0121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就夠還每月信貸了 運氣好可能一個月就賺1年信貸了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnyang/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnyang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇的心態很好 很成熟</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 20:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeffofpower1/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeffofpower1</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 厲害</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 20:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wdpone5541/push?y=26" target="_blank">wdpone5541</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借沒幾毛錢在那邊大談…</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 20:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大多頭不借錢這輩子就這樣了</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在是連借太少也要被酸嗎？還有，人家是說，還”</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 20:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 剩”多少，不是說只借這樣，了？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wdpone5541/push?y=26" target="_blank">wdpone5541</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然呢？還能再借1000萬的話會只借一兩百萬嗎？</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 20:57</span></div> <a href="https://i.meee.com.tw/658hnzo.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.meee.com.tw/658hnzo.png</a> <div align="center"><a href="https://meee.com.tw/658hnzo" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="600" style="width:800px;height:600px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.meee.com.tw/658hnzo.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> 以上是我現有股票資產，維持率抓個300%左右，再借個600萬，應該沒問題，然後我的信貸 ，以我去年的股利及薪資所得，轉借貸再多借個60、70萬，算一算總共借個1000萬，應該 也是可以的，忘了說我還有房貸約470萬，但我不想到出事的時候，再來發畢業文，所以就 在可控範圍去借。 然後瞧你說成這樣，你應該也借了不少阿，最少借的比我多吧?!貼個單讓我們大家瞧瞧您 有多厲害，要不然你嗆成這樣，結果借的比我少，那你還說個毛線？ <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hihi29/push?y=26" target="_blank">hihi29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上中肯==</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 20:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CGDGAD/push?y=26" target="_blank">CGDGAD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借太少不是被酸而已，是連發文的資格都沒有</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 21:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能借1000就不能只借100？什麼叫”能”？所以期貨能</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 21:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開7倍就要開好開滿？所以每天499額度都要沖好沖滿</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？當作股市只會漲，不會跌？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wdpone5541/push?y=26" target="_blank">wdpone5541</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能再借1000萬的人，不會利率低的不借而跑去質押股</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 21:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wdpone5541/push?y=26" target="_blank">wdpone5541</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 票，不再回應</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每種融資特性不同，不是只看利率，多得是在不同人</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/17 21:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 生階段，作各式混搭的人。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsainalunba4/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsainalunba4</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好人推 風口上的豬只有在刀子砍到腦袋上時才會發現</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/17 21:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsainalunba4/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsainalunba4</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己不是超人 反正鄉民不會為誰的過度槓桿操作而得</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsainalunba4/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsainalunba4</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到利益 也不會為此而付出代價</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/byronlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">byronlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推好人</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/17 21:52</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: d2623 (61.224.84.156 臺灣), 05/17/2026 22:05:03</span> <span class="record">※ 編輯: d2623 (61.224.84.156 臺灣), 05/17/2026 22:05:56</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kill0934/push?y=26" target="_blank">kill0934</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還沒開始跌呢，滿街都是不覺得自己會賠，靠台積電</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/17 22:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kill0934/push?y=26" target="_blank">kill0934</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以繼續一直賺到退休的人</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: d2623 (61.224.84.156 臺灣), 05/17/2026 22:08:15</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tim96tim/push?y=26" target="_blank">tim96tim</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推好人</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/17 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b122771/push?y=26" target="_blank">b122771</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喔</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/17 22:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 水喔 就是要貼對帳單出來互嗆 誰有錢誰大哥</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 22:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pttouch/push?y=26" target="_blank">pttouch</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勸世文</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 22:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NEKOWORKi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NEKOWORKi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信貸除非失業不然沒風險</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/17 22:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 假勸世真炫耀，我們不是想看你賺了八百萬的</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/17 22:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正常勸世文應該是賠了八百萬吧 XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KickAcer/push?y=26" target="_blank">KickAcer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 質押大概要維持200%比較安全</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/17 22:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 按樓上的邏輯，巴菲特勸散戶善用指數化投資是炫耀</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/17 22:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而非勸世，喔...</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後，樓主是被嗆以後才po單，我是看不出來他原文</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 炫耀什麼了？</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> joanzkow. http://disp.cc/b/205-i43d 2026-05-17T16:49:16+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:12+08:00

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<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> joanzkow (星浪)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 「風暴來臨前的平靜」！特朗普發圖暗示<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 16:49:16 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 「風暴來臨前的平靜」！特朗普發圖暗示對伊行動　伊朗總統以千年古樹回應 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://www.dotdotnews.com/a/202605/17/AP6a096ad8e4b09ea233159481.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.dotdotnews.com/a/202605/17/AP6a096ad8e4b09ea233159481.html</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.dotdotnews.com/a/202605/17/AP6a096ad8e4b09ea233159481.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>「風暴來臨前的平靜」！特朗普發圖暗示對伊行動　伊朗總統以千年古樹回應 - 國際 - 點新聞</strong></a> 美國總統特朗普近日在社交媒體發了一張AI生成圖片，並配文「風暴來臨前的平靜」。圖片中，特朗普戴着「讓美國再次偉大」紅帽，手指遠方。他與美軍參謀長聯席會議主席凱恩，站在風暴中的美國軍艦上。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026.05.17 15:14 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 「風暴來臨前的平靜」！特朗普發圖暗示對伊行動　伊朗總統以千年古樹回應 <a href="https://www.dotdotnews.com/a/202605/17/AP6a096ad8e4b09ea233159481.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.dotdotnews.com/a/202605/17/AP6a096ad8e4b09ea233159481.html</a> 2026.05.17 15:14 新聞來源： 點新聞 <div class="combine-lines">【點新聞報道】美國總統特朗普近日在社交媒體發了一張AI生成圖片，並配文「風暴來臨 前的平靜」。圖片中，特朗普戴着「讓美國再次偉大」紅帽，手指遠方。他與美軍參謀長 聯席會議主席凱恩，站在風暴中的美國軍艦上。</div> <div class="combine-lines">本港時間5月17日凌晨，伊朗總統佩澤希齊揚在社交媒體上發了一張柏樹圖。他寫道：「 亞洲現存最古老的生物，古老的阿巴庫希柏樹——至少有4500年的歷史——扎根於當時已 被稱為伊朗的土地。」</div> <div class="combine-lines">據《以色列時報》等多家外媒16日援引《紐約時報》報道，以色列和美國正在進行自4月 停火以來最緊張的一輪準備工作，為重新對伊朗發動打擊做準備，最快可能於下周展開行 動。</div> <a href="https://www.dotdotnews.com/a/202605/17/AP6a096ad8e4b09ea233159481.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.dotdotnews.com/a/202605/17/AP6a096ad8e4b09ea233159481.html</a> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 感覺特朗普已經下定決心了，明天是不是先觀望看看？ 要是來個閃電攻擊迅雷不及掩耳 股市要逃可能就來不及了？ 下禮拜的盤好難猜啊 <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.160.56 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: joanzkow 2026-05-17 16:49:16</span> <span class="record">※ 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href="/ptt/user/nexerodo/push?y=26" target="_blank">nexerodo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樹欲靜而風不止</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 20:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fay001/push?y=26" target="_blank">fay001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恐慌仔，科科</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 20:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faultless/push?y=26" target="_blank">faultless</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在都只剩下互相嘴砲的功能了</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 20:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Colitas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Colitas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上面的人高來高去，下面的人屍橫遍野</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 20:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sustto/push?y=26" target="_blank">sustto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒地面機器人部隊 誰car米果</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 21:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sustto/push?y=26" target="_blank">sustto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星際大戰都有教捏</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ARKUE/push?y=26" target="_blank">ARKUE</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗說他們已經可以種樹了</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 21:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DHPdotD/push?y=26" target="_blank">DHPdotD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會叫的狗，大家都知道</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 21:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/searchroy/push?y=26" target="_blank">searchroy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Taco 14</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 21:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 狼來了</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 22:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CKRO/push?y=26" target="_blank">CKRO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 世界樹 我懂了 諸神黃昏</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 22:30</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> m4vu0. http://disp.cc/b/205-i42P 2026-05-17T17:49:06+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:18+08:00

標的：2408 南亞科 分類：空 分析/正文： 基本面：業績成長 但沒有驚喜 籌碼面：外資開始賣 技術面：反彈前高 過前高 過完拉回。出貨可能性即高 美光也大跌 連帶南亞科可能性極大 進退場機制： 進場：市價空 停損：5% 停利：40% ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> m4vu0 (m4vu0)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [標的] 2408 南亞科 空<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 17:49:06 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">標的：2408 南亞科</span> <span style="color:#008080">分類：</span>空 <span style="color:#008080">分析/正文：</span> <span style="color:#008080">基本面：業績成長 但沒有驚喜</span> <span style="color:#008080">籌碼面：外資開始賣</span> <span style="color:#008080">技術面：反彈前高 過前高 過完拉回。出貨可能性即高</span> 美光也大跌 連帶南亞科可能性極大 <span style="color:#008080">進退場機制：</span> 進場：市價空 停損：5% 停利：40% <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.192.82.51 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: m4vu0 2026-05-17 17:49:06</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779011348.A.CD8.html" target="_blank">#1g2OyKpO (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779011348.A.CD8.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779011348.A.CD8.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g0t24568/push?y=26" target="_blank">g0t24568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%停損？</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為啥009816近期把它納入？</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 17:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有人知道牙科說轉向HBM是什麼嗎</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是指正在驗證中會做？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rexwis/push?y=26" target="_blank">rexwis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會贏喔</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerry10307/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerry10307</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記得貼單。會贏</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/17 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Corgifans/push?y=26" target="_blank">Corgifans</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單？</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這時候敢空真的很勇</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 短空可以 40趴不可能</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 17:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c87873334/push?y=26" target="_blank">c87873334</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會贏喔</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會贏哦</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ShinHsin/push?y=26" target="_blank">ShinHsin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空氣空的空</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 17:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/losehope/push?y=26" target="_blank">losehope</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空氣的空</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 17:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bing6715/push?y=26" target="_blank">bing6715</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑你不敢</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/az0102/push?y=26" target="_blank">az0102</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 即便不看好，但剛過新高盡量別碰吧</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 贏 記憶體</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 18:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 準備泡沫下山</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ibanes/push?y=26" target="_blank">ibanes</a> </span></span><span 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target="_blank">sunrise1748</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 頂多賺10趴不然你會被嘎上天</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%停損不如不要po文</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/akuser/push?y=26" target="_blank">akuser</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: DDR4產線26年會陸續轉HBM和DDR5</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 18:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ericf129/push?y=26" target="_blank">ericf129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 短空沒問題 40%?</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 18:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ericf129/push?y=26" target="_blank">ericf129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌破200我歐印</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Tomsheng/push?y=26" target="_blank">Tomsheng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打倒吉伊卡哇 現在是皮克敏的時代了</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 18:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/prostar/push?y=26" target="_blank">prostar</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 18:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yurmom/push?y=26" target="_blank">yurmom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%停損 40%停利 你直接把停損的錢送我好了</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 18:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JacksonWu/push?y=26" target="_blank">JacksonWu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上看500你去空 我覺得你去空大盤比較容易贏</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chibmw/push?y=26" target="_blank">chibmw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華邦電00403A大買，記憶體不可能崩盤吧？</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 18:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/quackquack/push?y=26" target="_blank">quackquack</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 停利停損寫反了吧</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 18:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hc20016/push?y=26" target="_blank">hc20016</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空有獲利的記憶體不如空做夢的光通</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 18:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neil1103/push?y=26" target="_blank">neil1103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪有人盈虧比抓這樣 你這樣輸一次要贏八次 才沒賠錢</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 18:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neil1103/push?y=26" target="_blank">neil1103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你勝率有那麼高？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好欻</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 18:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cofejt/push?y=26" target="_blank">cofejt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單？</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 18:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a129517496/push?y=26" target="_blank">a129517496</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空單15%-20%就該跑了 40%很難</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 18:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/charmingone/push?y=26" target="_blank">charmingone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實也看空南亞科 但是已滿倉動彈不得惹</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 18:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/charmingone/push?y=26" target="_blank">charmingone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後手上依然有南亞科...</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上是腳麻了嗎</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madbele/push?y=26" target="_blank">madbele</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明天買一張跟你對做</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/finaleWL/push?y=26" target="_blank">finaleWL</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇有意思 拜託之後一定要考古</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 18:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TEYU21/push?y=26" target="_blank">TEYU21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我會跟你對敲</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flower15922/push?y=26" target="_blank">flower15922</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌一天就立刻看空文</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/firelemon/push?y=26" target="_blank">firelemon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空不到了 禮拜一直接鎖死cc</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 18:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ader888/push?y=26" target="_blank">ader888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的可愛</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 18:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zagato/push?y=26" target="_blank">zagato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賠一點點就受不了，還想40%？</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 18:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a6435966/push?y=26" target="_blank">a6435966</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多頭走勢空很勇哦，空這種技術面四線並排，基本面好</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaa80563/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaa80563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會輸喔</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeremyZH/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeremyZH</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單純看留言你會贏 但你沒單</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myforce/push?y=26" target="_blank">myforce</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單發什麼文</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這ID真好笑</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ca1123/push?y=26" target="_blank">ca1123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你會贏</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/boy210728/push?y=26" target="_blank">boy210728</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單，嘴巴空</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%停損玩記憶體 一天就畢業吧</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Hoshan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Hoshan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做多喊空？</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ga3322165/push?y=26" target="_blank">ga3322165</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 查了一下這咖發的標的文都沒單的…</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 18:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jorneet/push?y=26" target="_blank">jorneet</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 南科DDR5都做得2266了還想HBM</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 18:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuegg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuegg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 明天才空 空在最低點附近機率極高</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 18:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40歲的男人剩一張嘴</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 18:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highken/push?y=26" target="_blank">highken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 南亞科HBM應該可以做出來 不要不信</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wicer/push?y=26" target="_blank">wicer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雖然我也不喜歡記憶體 但我覺得你凶多吉少</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highken/push?y=26" target="_blank">highken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 南亞科遲早會再上去，市場給他的定位已經不一樣了</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 18:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EddieWuRJJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">EddieWuRJJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%？</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 18:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PeterHenson/push?y=26" target="_blank">PeterHenson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40%是把主力當菜雞吧</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/harrychen413/push?y=26" target="_blank">harrychen413</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單一律當嘴炮</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你會被嘎死</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ndk2675m/push?y=26" target="_blank">ndk2675m</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不做多 也不要做空</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxc902902/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxc902902</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單沒意思</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/explora26/push?y=26" target="_blank">explora26</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已經出貨了</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/17 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上一個空的現在躲起來不發文</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flame1030/push?y=26" target="_blank">flame1030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有牙科 我覺得你會贏</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/17 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Merlini/push?y=26" target="_blank">Merlini</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 訊號來了</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/17 19:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brain9453/push?y=26" target="_blank">brain9453</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也不喜歡記憶體 但40趴我覺得你等不到</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/17 19:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ronan113021/push?y=26" target="_blank">ronan113021</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單呢</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/17 19:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DonDonFans/push?y=26" target="_blank">DonDonFans</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空完華邦 空牙科 真的要向南了</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/17 19:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: PCB CPO一堆本夢比不去空 空本益比這麼低的記憶體..</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/17 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fakelie/push?y=26" target="_blank">fakelie</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單？</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/17 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peterors/push?y=26" target="_blank">peterors</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除非是大盤整個崩了 不然你空記憶體...RIP</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/17 19:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要賠錢的可以跟</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/17 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 發文都不附單 是不是別有意圖</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/17 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要也是空CPO..</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/17 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/u9596g12/push?y=26" target="_blank">u9596g12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單先貼出來 不然一律廢話</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 停損單敢貼出來我就佩服</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 19:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dennis50253/push?y=26" target="_blank">dennis50253</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 果然是反指標</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/17 19:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nwoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">nwoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傻子送錢</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/17 19:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/surferblue/push?y=26" target="_blank">surferblue</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在空 有多少肉？</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/17 19:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ideo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ideo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/17 19:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanshihwei/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanshihwei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你當大戶拉上來給你空？ 不要喊空氣單 貼出來吧</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/17 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ymx3xc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ymx3xc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空單必須多一點 主力才會嘎上去</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/17 19:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/workhardplz/push?y=26" target="_blank">workhardplz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘴巴空</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/17 19:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eierom/push?y=26" target="_blank">eierom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有單</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/17 19:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/willy45118/push?y=26" target="_blank">willy45118</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空起來</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/17 19:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/marginalFeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">marginalFeng</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這id知名反串的 大家可以搜一下</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/17 19:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hihi29/push?y=26" target="_blank">hihi29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會贏喔</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/17 19:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lingbei/push?y=26" target="_blank">lingbei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五趴 守紀律給尊重</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/17 19:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Williamkai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Williamkai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開盤就停損了</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/17 19:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rcf150cc/push?y=26" target="_blank">rcf150cc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/nFO4ig.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/nFO4ig.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">100F 05/17 19:41</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="961" data-ori_h="416" style="width:961px;height:416px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/nFO4ig.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yafx4200p/push?y=26" target="_blank">yafx4200p</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾天拉回 下一次又要創高~2周內</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/17 19:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn1078311/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn1078311</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%就停損，你會虧死</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/17 19:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KEEPLOVING/push?y=26" target="_blank">KEEPLOVING</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 門外漢，D4 轉HBM，是不是少了什麼</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/17 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/whynot0629/push?y=26" target="_blank">whynot0629</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你哪隻眼睛看到業績沒有驚喜</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/17 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/facio124/push?y=26" target="_blank">facio124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘎爆你</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/17 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DanielHAO/push?y=26" target="_blank">DanielHAO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/17 19:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span 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20:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerry10307/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerry10307</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙科跟鈺創HBM到底出來了沒，去年竹科風風光光官宣</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/17 20:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nisi0773/push?y=26" target="_blank">nisi0773</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%停損的 不就正常波動一下就送出去了？</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/17 20:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai931/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai931</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40%？？</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/17 20:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benting/push?y=26" target="_blank">benting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%? 這比例也太有趣</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/17 20:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jakewu1217/push?y=26" target="_blank">jakewu1217</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是不相信你 不過空單能讓我瞧瞧嗎</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/17 20:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Armin/push?y=26" target="_blank">Armin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拜託跌下來讓我接</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/17 20:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 欣銓代表作，漲停打臉原Po</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/17 20:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/narutotim/push?y=26" target="_blank">narutotim</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明天跟你對做</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/17 20:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝訊號，懂的人都懂，明天一起幹上去</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/17 20:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單呢？沒單要幹嘛！</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/17 20:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hight0505/push?y=26" target="_blank">hight0505</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房版有魯空，股版有嘴空？</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/17 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/westlml/push?y=26" target="_blank">westlml</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過前高隔天下跌補多方跳空缺口 有機會續跌</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/17 20:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starfirerex/push?y=26" target="_blank">starfirerex</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單呢</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/17 20:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chenyeart/push?y=26" target="_blank">chenyeart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單？</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/17 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星罷工問題應該是沒戲了</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/17 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hectorbibby/push?y=26" target="_blank">hectorbibby</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又來看美股做台股？</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/17 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gginin7878/push?y=26" target="_blank">gginin7878</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40%真的做夢= =</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/17 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星電子明與工會重啟薪資談判 韓國務總理：停工一</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/17 20:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 天損失210億 將不擇手段阻止罷工</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chachabo/push?y=26" target="_blank">chachabo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這周會贏，下周不好說</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/17 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府都表態了</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/17 20:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星也放福利了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 硬凹真的會什麼都沒有</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星不罷工是大利空喔</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體魚鰓</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/17 20:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%明天開盤就停損了 空氣單想做多直接做</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fantasyscure/push?y=26" target="_blank">fantasyscure</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑點在於40%</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/17 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美光禮拜五大跌、三星不罷工，你告訴我記憶體禮拜</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/17 20:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一怎麼漲</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: = =</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s56565566123/push?y=26" target="_blank">s56565566123</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 身邊朋友才剛進場做多 你會輸</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/17 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 若政府認定勞資爭議可能危害經濟或民生，勞動部長</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/17 20:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可啟動緊急仲裁令，能立即暫緩罷工30天，讓韓國國</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 家勞資關係委員會得以在此空檔介入調解與仲裁。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府是有武器可以禁止罷工的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vn507595/push?y=26" target="_blank">vn507595</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單先噓，補了再補讚</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/17 20:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/barton/push?y=26" target="_blank">barton</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 史高出清了，等禮拜一大跌再買回</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/17 21:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g0t24568/push?y=26" target="_blank">g0t24568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星不罷工是觀落陰？</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/17 21:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g0t24568/push?y=26" target="_blank">g0t24568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小看韓國人 仲裁延緩30天不去上班奈我何</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MIKE44/push?y=26" target="_blank">MIKE44</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單貼出來再幫你補血</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/17 21:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opp9876/push?y=26" target="_blank">opp9876</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你問過老黃否? 老黃會軋你</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/17 21:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你做股票只看禮拜一喔</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/17 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你真有趣，非法罷工就是曠職，炒魷魚還不用資遣費</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/17 21:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果可以、帶頭作亂的三星希望你曠職</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SQOneal/push?y=26" target="_blank">SQOneal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40%要跌到前波低點 拜託一定要跌 我要接爆</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/17 21:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/samwang7027/push?y=26" target="_blank">samwang7027</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單說個</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/17 21:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DingJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">DingJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 燃料</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/17 21:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DORAQMON/push?y=26" target="_blank">DORAQMON</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 贏麻了</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/17 21:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g0t24568/push?y=26" target="_blank">g0t24568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣和南韓工會差異太大了 還有一堆可以玩的方式 週</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/17 21:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g0t24568/push?y=26" target="_blank">g0t24568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一就知道了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WisestCat/push?y=26" target="_blank">WisestCat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%停損有什麼問題嗎</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/17 21:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Cage1027/push?y=26" target="_blank">Cage1027</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貼單</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/17 21:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hsiao15165/push?y=26" target="_blank">hsiao15165</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5%停損贏過50%硬凹的</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/17 21:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Noren/push?y=26" target="_blank">Noren</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單的空</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/17 22:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orzzroGC/push?y=26" target="_blank">orzzroGC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單空 你停利要不要喊200%好了? 反正不用錢 ?</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/17 22:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40%要等明年看有沒有機會 目前到2028才有機會緩解</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/17 22:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JRhokkaido/push?y=26" target="_blank">JRhokkaido</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單說個XX</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/17 22:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/l25283015/push?y=26" target="_blank">l25283015</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒單說40%?</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/17 22:39</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> a1237759. http://disp.cc/b/205-i42O 2026-05-17T16:56:49+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:13+08:00

玻璃從材料特性 可以取代現在AI晶片，CoWoS製程內的基板或interposer 非導體，減少漏電，Ra平整，傳輸線製造更好，TGV密度密度理論比基板高，整個材料特性都能提升電訊號品質。另外很適用AI產品。另外玻璃特性CTE比ABF基板更匹配Si材料，材料特性硬，容易做大顆，不翹曲。 但實際上你想要玻璃的這些特性，卻會伴隨著其他不好的副作用。 Ra太平，可靠度過後容易脫層、TGV雷射鑽孔不如蝕刻，形狀都是沙漏或漏斗狀，高頻訊號耗損嚴重。太硬可以做大，但脆，製程容易破。 而現在的工廠邏輯，除了面板，都不是從玻璃出發，要用玻璃，整個工廠設計要大更新。台積買了面板廠就是跟著NV在評估未來CoPoS用玻璃取代現在的interposer,但 也只是評估，市場預估是2029-2030才有機會。 所以現在你看上面上喊玻璃材料的，都是面板廠或材料商想進入AI分一杯羹或券商報告在炒、不然就是中國在炒彎道超車的賽道。真的實際應用還久，沒有台積這些領頭羊衝進去，沒有半導體設備商會大舉投入做玻璃相關的自動化設備。 但不妨礙炒股 ----- Sent from JPTT on my iPhone ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> a1237759 (歡迎搭訕..)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [請益] 玻璃基板取代銅箔基板？<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 16:56:49 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span class="record">※ 引述《id44kimo (擁抱吧(B))》之銘言：</span> <span class="quote">: 最近忽然開始吹玻璃</span> <span class="quote">: 但目前看起來</span> <span class="quote">: 玻璃基板這東西其實講很久了</span> <span class="quote">: 真的要進到取代銅箔感覺還很久</span> <span class="quote">: 但不知道為甚</span> <span class="quote">: 忽然整個產業開始談玻璃基板了</span> <span class="quote">: 到底 玻璃基板現在走到哪了呢</span> <span class="quote">: 有沒有高手能解釋一下</span> 玻璃從材料特性 可以取代現在AI晶片，CoWoS製程內的基板或interposer <div class="long_string">非導體，減少漏電，Ra平整，傳輸線製造更好，TGV密度密度理論比基板高，整個材料特性都能提升電訊號品質。另外很適用AI產品。另外玻璃特性CTE比ABF基板更匹配Si材料，材料特性硬，容易做大顆，不翹曲。</div> 但實際上你想要玻璃的這些特性，卻會伴隨著其他不好的副作用。 Ra太平，可靠度過後容易脫層、TGV雷射鑽孔不如蝕刻，形狀都是沙漏或漏斗狀，高頻訊號耗損嚴重。太硬可以做大，但脆，製程容易破。 <div class="long_string">而現在的工廠邏輯，除了面板，都不是從玻璃出發，要用玻璃，整個工廠設計要大更新。台積買了面板廠就是跟著NV在評估未來CoPoS用玻璃取代現在的interposer,但 也只是評估，市場預估是2029-2030才有機會。</div> <div class="long_string">所以現在你看上面上喊玻璃材料的，都是面板廠或材料商想進入AI分一杯羹或券商報告在炒、不然就是中國在炒彎道超車的賽道。真的實際應用還久，沒有台積這些領頭羊衝進去，沒有半導體設備商會大舉投入做玻璃相關的自動化設備。</div> 但不妨礙炒股 ----- Sent from JPTT on my iPhone <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 141.11.87.86 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: a1237759 2026-05-17 16:56:49</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779008216.A.871.html" target="_blank">#1g2OBOXn (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779008216.A.871.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779008216.A.871.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 另外要開始也是從玻璃基板開始、Interposer會更久</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 17:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基板理論上比銅箔基板 ABF便宜，但是齁為了實</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 17:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 踐這工藝加一些BKM ，不一定便宜</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason88633/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason88633</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 彷彿2024光通訊對吧？先炒再說，之後會再炒</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 17:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得真的要從面板廠改封裝 中國那應該會狂搞吧</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 17:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台廠幹的贏對岸嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 典型的台式短視近利 別人看到ccl走到極限都在衝刺</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 17:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基板了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 24年下半就有先炒過一波了</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 17:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: warpage更小 熱傳導膨脹更好 df更低 有什麼理由不</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 17:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 研發 因為貴嗎？ 貴從來都不是問題 問題是東西做出</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來用不了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 進到台積電的3d fabric聯盟，載版那幾家公司早就跟</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 17:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 著台積電在搞了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoeyChen/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoeyChen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2029?認真?比CPO還久...</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回答樓上，翹曲在封裝的世界不一定是壞事，有翹曲表</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 17:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 示應力被釋放，可靠性反而變好，沒翹曲，應力累積都</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在裡面，thermal cycle一下就掛了。df 好，但材料特</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 性就是導致他鑽孔鑽不好，鑽不好電訊號損耗就是大</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後玻璃熱傳肯定比較差</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HRyan/push?y=26" target="_blank">HRyan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 專業</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 封裝通常一好沒兩好，都是在走蹺蹺板，抓到一個甜蜜</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 17:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的平衡點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoeyChen/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoeyChen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原po我沒別的意思 只是原本以為這沒難度</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對岸面板還有搞頭 雙貓是等著買單 不轉不行</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoeyChen/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoeyChen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前有看yt介紹 沒翹曲是它的優點?</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 17:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoeyChen/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoeyChen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我印象中國很久遠以前就在發展這不是嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣最早是欣興跟intel一直在合作，現在台積電3D f</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 17:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: abric都在發展</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃熱傳比較差 誰說的？ 經過smt reflow warpage</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 17:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 解不掉知道現在怎麼裝嗎？鑽孔鑽不好 那你知道什麼</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是tsv嗎？ 這些我敢說你都不知道 但我知道 哈</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回覆樓上，抱歉我在台積13年都在做cowos, 最早的驗</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 17:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 證片都碰過。現在是投資人專攻先進封裝，最新一個案</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 子大概是千億的先進封裝工廠，提供參考</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你只是做cowos 我是你上面負責提供solution的設備</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 17:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 商 難點在哪我比你更清楚 笑死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m81000/push?y=26" target="_blank">m81000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 欣興每個月玻璃報廢量從幾十公斤增加到上噸，玻璃</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 17:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m81000/push?y=26" target="_blank">m81000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基板這東西應該不用懷疑，以後肯定會需要。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我現在就是幫垃圾gger解這些東西 所以我敢說gg以後</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 17:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定死 死在矽晶圓手上</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/XXXXCOW/push?y=26" target="_blank">XXXXCOW</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣也只有欣興能做</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 17:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基板上的SMD這麼小，是擔心啥翹曲，CoPoS要注意</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 17:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的也是eDTC怎麼弄在玻璃裡。TGV你市面上找個鑽得漂</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 亮的SEM圖給我看看呀。設備商被台積幹著走的，台積</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒喊全面開發，你敢大舉投入啊，CoPoS在台積目前規</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 劃就是2029/2030，中間啥變化都不知道，SoIC良率拉</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 得快可以往上疊，CoPoS就會更晚才開始看</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: SoIC會是GG這波的反擊號角</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 17:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: copos？cowos? 那種落伍的東西不是最新方向了啦 快</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 17:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去更新一下版本</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前陣子ap7拉貨市場炒了一波SoIC就銷聲匿跡，然後現</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 17:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在整天跟你喊emib爭寵gg藥丸 cc</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: EMIB以前不如cowos是因為板上贏不過65nm,現在用都用</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 17:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Si bridge die溝通，差異就沒那麼大，加上NV Rubin</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一次4+16改成2+8兩顆MCM, 才讓人開始重新看EMIB, 但</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最終台積還是會用先進製程綁單，頂多搶到一些次等訂</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 板上RDL</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoeyChen/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoeyChen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想確認一下 我記得中國弄很久了 intel跟GG現在也在</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 17:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoeyChen/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoeyChen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喊 但其實還是夢幻技術?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 筆記ing~~~~ 有戰文還是好的</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 17:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 困難點 樓上都說了 只要能突破就是夢幻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你市場沒有找到一張TGV鑽的又直又平整的TGV照片,就</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 17:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是註定上不了高速需求</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請問 雷射打下去 應該直上直下阿 又不是蝕刻用吃的</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 17:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: tgv不是用鑽的 果然不懂裝懂</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得基於理論上討論都是好事，一下子垃圾、一下子</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 18:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死、回話就是你自己去查查，沒啥討論空間，更不用</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說導熱這種東西，材料數據就擺在那裡的有啥好爭論對</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錯</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Livin/push?y=26" target="_blank">Livin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃不是完全固體耶，高溫工作還是有機會形變吧？</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/17 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yingjeou/push?y=26" target="_blank">yingjeou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那何不用蝕刻先去吃？能吃的又直又好看</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高深寬比 蝕刻容易 漏斗沙漏吧</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/17 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上說到重點了 上面有個只吃我們隨便丟的垃圾solut</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/17 18:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ion就自以為天下無敵 哈哈哈哈哈</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用雷射的方法業界還是叫鑽孔啦，沒人覺得是傳統意義</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/17 18:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的電鑽鑽孔吧，連蝕刻業界也常用蝕刻鑽孔帶過</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你丟一張paper，有個TGV好看的圖出來，才有討論空間</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再解釋也沒用 業界難點早就根本不是什麼鑽孔如何如</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/17 18:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 何 是更後面的問題 情弱</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說到底就是丟不出來，那到底要討論啥</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/17 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: nda 情弱w</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/17 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amazingwow/push?y=26" target="_blank">amazingwow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先噴再說</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/17 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UrFather/push?y=26" target="_blank">UrFather</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看推文就知道真的不影響炒股☺</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我每句話都能提出市場報告與數據佐證，情緒發言duck</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 18:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不必</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gtaped05550/push?y=26" target="_blank">gtaped05550</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 繼續吵架我愛看</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/17 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UrFather/push?y=26" target="_blank">UrFather</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 業務嘴糊蕊蕊真不是蓋的☺</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/17 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lu19900217/push?y=26" target="_blank">lu19900217</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雷射挖的孔一定是漏斗狀怎會是直 能量會衰減阿</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/17 18:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lu19900217/push?y=26" target="_blank">lu19900217</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鑽尾和放電挖的才會是直的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也不知道該怎麼吵，有些東西就數據不行擺在那，抬</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/17 18:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 槓說早就看更之後的，我也不知道該怎麼接</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但玻璃就是一個充滿夢想的替代材料，即使現階段數據</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不行，肯定還是有人在看怎麼實踐，炒股便有得吵</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來如此 學習惹</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/17 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gtaped05550/push?y=26" target="_blank">gtaped05550</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在是做夢行情 股癌也說玻璃要28年再來看</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/17 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b0364864/push?y=26" target="_blank">b0364864</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看脆就知道 一堆人吹捧玻璃基板 還以為準備量產</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/17 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哈哈 一堆人吹捧玻璃基板，吹錯公司 ，台玻只是掛</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/17 18:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在玻璃基板版塊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eddie0304/push?y=26" target="_blank">eddie0304</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好文推推，還是GGer專業！</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/17 18:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原po也是在自己的世界...現在TGV已經得到解決，後端</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/17 18:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 濺鍍跟運送造成的微裂還待克服。EMIB使用的還是雷射</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鑽孔，之後肯定是LIDE技術</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都說得到解決，圖咧？哪一家現階段能解決這事情的公</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/17 18:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 司不趕快出來吹</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實Intel甚至三星在玻璃基板的研發都領先台積很多</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/17 18:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要用台積電看世界</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JRbluesky/push?y=26" target="_blank">JRbluesky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以請問悅城是在炒還是真的有技術？</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/17 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這塊直接看intel，最快的肯定不是gg，gg對光更快，</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/17 18:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 走CoWoS直接走光是比較合理的路徑，整條線不用重練</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f33783378/push?y=26" target="_blank">f33783378</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣夠了 這些素材可以炒到天價</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/17 18:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: intel 2026Q2發表了一個clean water forest,可以觀</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/17 18:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 察出貨量呀，首款號稱玻璃基板，但是預計不怎麼樣啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 英特爾研發跑在最前面真的很厲害，先進製程研發比</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/17 18:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積電強但量產不出來也沒用，台積電厲害的是量產</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lu19900217/push?y=26" target="_blank">lu19900217</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 換材料有個好處就很多股票能做 比如那個濕式設備股</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/17 18:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lu19900217/push?y=26" target="_blank">lu19900217</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 微結構有問題 MA分析就需要了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以觀察阿...本來就是要觀察，現在玻璃這塊最快的</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/17 18:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又不是gg，不懂被戳就火大的優越感在哪。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JIWP/push?y=26" target="_blank">JIWP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先99康寧</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/17 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先進製程FinFet GAA不都是英特爾研發出來，問題是</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/17 19:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 量產良率上不來</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你真看不出來誰比較情緒發言嗎？我就說我每一句都能</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/17 19:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 提數據，討論可以好好討論</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要證明我有盲點，不是該丟個數據出來告訴我你錯了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SDKSDKSDK/push?y=26" target="_blank">SDKSDKSDK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: T大戳人時沒有相關佐證又喜歡加一些語助詞，會讓他</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/17 19:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SDKSDKSDK/push?y=26" target="_blank">SDKSDKSDK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問號也很正常。就算他沒更新到，但他有數據當基礎</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SDKSDKSDK/push?y=26" target="_blank">SDKSDKSDK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，如果t大你是對的，但你沒有作證、也只讓他自己去</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SDKSDKSDK/push?y=26" target="_blank">SDKSDKSDK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 查，自然他會覺得跟你也討論不出什麼</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamdds/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamdds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好好討論就有人在嘴臭，好像你最聰明一樣，這裏的優</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/17 19:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamdds/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamdds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越感取決於你倉位有多大，誰管你玻璃未來怎樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又要方形 又要大 最好能透光 玻璃聽起來值得賭</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/17 19:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 更不用說導熱係數這種純粹材料特性，講玻璃散熱好，</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/17 19:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完全不知道怎麼接</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jack990568/push?y=26" target="_blank">jack990568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幫推 產業角度</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/17 19:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w107robot/push?y=26" target="_blank">w107robot</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 個人覺得碳化矽題材才是下個光通</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/17 19:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kirhan2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">kirhan2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 新技術驗證完成到量產本來就要一會，真量產再來追就</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/17 19:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kirhan2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">kirhan2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好，連gg內部人員都沒有消息要大量使用就是還早</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 碳化矽 和 GaAs中國很有優勢</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/17 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/erenrush/push?y=26" target="_blank">erenrush</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以現在能不能用確實不影響炒股xD</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/17 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wsxza/push?y=26" target="_blank">wsxza</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 概念股有那些 看有沒有要噴？</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/17 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tttt0204/push?y=26" target="_blank">tttt0204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃散熱好還會爆裂喔？設備商這樣不行捏</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/17 19:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推assembly本行人員；上面那位設備商或許接觸的沒</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/17 19:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那麼全面，回的看起來一知半解，比較容易情緒字眼</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也不是業內的，但一直關注各家的廠商量產時程，從</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/17 19:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AMD與AWS相關時程推移來看進展確時不如預期，但喊出</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來最快量產的是三星電機，當然會看年底試產線良率怎</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樣。gg連產線都還沒有...確定可以在今年討論良率嗎Q</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Q</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/permanent27/push?y=26" target="_blank">permanent27</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你是不是滿手貓貓</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/17 19:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是說gg真的領先所有廠商，確認自己的進度就是業界</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/17 19:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最快...那我就再回去詳看一下各大載板廠的法說，再</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重新做功課</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: LIDE 鈦昇據說和I社合作好一陣子了</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/17 19:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是買鈦昇，知道2019他們就去intel搞LIDE，現在穩</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/17 19:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 定性還是輸LPKF</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老實說這幾年多頭 我認為是業外人士做功課最有CP</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/17 19:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 值的時候 至少努力有回報 先謝謝各位先進</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tttt0204/push?y=26" target="_blank">tttt0204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鈦昇嗎？筆記筆記，感謝大大</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/17 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對於玻璃基板，gg不是製造者，是跟廠商共同開發怎麼</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/17 19:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 使用，沒領先業界，intel琢磨最多；玻璃interposer,</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gg是少數有在看的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Intel的問題是喊要做，採用的產品太少，設備商不一</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 定會跟著動起來</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Intel也是配合基板廠</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然啊...所以我才對原po你的過早是如何推斷，應該</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/17 19:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是看領先族群的良率進度，最快2027年初，最晚就27E</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以看時程是否delay，但這樣是過早嗎？聯發科都已</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 經炒到t8u與t9u的溢價，怎麽大家都不覺得ic會做爛掉</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ....</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ko363630/push?y=26" target="_blank">ko363630</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不懂就問，如果把玻纖布壓上adhesive，能取代玻璃</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/17 19:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ko363630/push?y=26" target="_blank">ko363630</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基板嗎</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ko363630/push?y=26" target="_blank">ko363630</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為我常看我們家的RD在做這個，才好奇問</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkangel119/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkangel119</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正常討論不行嗎？ 後面還加一些情緒字眼 只覺得很</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/17 19:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkangel119/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkangel119</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒水準而已 更上面的設備商的工程師情商是有什麼問</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkangel119/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkangel119</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 題嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gosh717/push?y=26" target="_blank">gosh717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗯，認同</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/17 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不行吧...我不太懂。但之前科普主要要玻璃的可控特</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/17 19:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 性，film與pcb是樹脂。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我的判斷是玻璃特性造成的負面影響，目前沒有好的解</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/17 19:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 決方案，然後基於台積將CoPoS時程延後，預期這些做</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先進封裝的設備商不會大舉投入，最後是多份市場報告</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，比較知名的包含Yole的預估是2030年才會有顯著份額</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成長</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻纖布可以呀，台玻之前不就在漲出給欣興的玻纖布，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有機會取代目前的玻璃纖維core,進入AI市場嗎～我還</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 套一堆台玻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: intel做很久了，也不行嗎？</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/17 19:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該是說高階玻纖布</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/17 19:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻布跟玻璃基板應該差蠻多吧</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/17 19:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也蠻好奇玻璃硬碟的進度到哪裡</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不一樣的東西，只是用在同一個地方</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/17 19:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我情緒控管應該沒問題 只是看到有人離開之後喪失訊</span><span class="push-right">195F 05/17 20:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 息來源把業界泔水拿出來炫耀就覺得很好笑出來打臉</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而已 我看的是未來</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那我的判斷是如果AMD 2027正式導入量產，後續AWS（2</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/17 20:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 028）與T9U（2029）系列也會導入，舒緩CoWoS產能不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 足問題，但相關設備商肯定會領先漲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joety1103/push?y=26" target="_blank">joety1103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: LIDE?</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/17 20:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這幾波下來，我相信買的不是業績起漲時，“可量產”</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/17 20:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該就會翻了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以我後面說不妨礙炒股，AMD說要量產玻璃基板是202</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/17 20:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4的事情了，我單純沒那麼樂觀，反正故事的邏輯都是</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一樣的，樂觀不樂觀看個人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yvnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">yvnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我以為只是在方型的玻璃基板上封裝後 基板就卸除了</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/17 20:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yvnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">yvnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，所以有運送問題？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/celet/push?y=26" target="_blank">celet</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整個是結合在一起 你卸除就壞了</span><span class="push-right">209F 05/17 20:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BC0710/push?y=26" target="_blank">BC0710</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 運送也有分原料運送跟成品運送</span><span class="push-right">210F 05/17 20:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 卸除的是cowos製程內翻片用的臨時鍵合的玻璃，你應</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/17 20:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1237759/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1237759</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 該搞混了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一種玻璃當carrier,RDL後就可以卸除，一種是玻璃上</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/17 20:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有線路，可以替代substrate或interposer</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben192726/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben192726</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還在創造未來的工作真的帥</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/17 20:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turndown4wat/push?y=26" target="_blank">turndown4wat</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99台玻</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/17 21:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也很好奇，LIDE技術的TGV孔洞還會有問題嗎？</span><span class="push-right">217F 05/17 21:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsmcCCW/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsmcCCW</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: a1少說點吧 JH要生氣了 真要說COWL至少還能用10年</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/17 21:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsmcCCW/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsmcCCW</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: SOIC才會是近幾年的主流 玻璃從來沒看好過</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsmcCCW/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsmcCCW</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 語畢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是只剩下金屬化的問題</span><span class="push-right">221F 05/17 21:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starfishfish/push?y=26" target="_blank">starfishfish</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推這篇...專業討論</span><span class="push-right">222F 05/17 21:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YJJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">YJJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">223F 05/17 21:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/APC/push?y=26" target="_blank">APC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重點：不影響炒股</span><span class="push-right">224F 05/17 21:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不覺得cow會被完全取代，但我也不覺得其他大廠想被c</span><span class="push-right">225F 05/17 21:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ow卡死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yvnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">yvnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用玻璃取代矽中介層應該還要很久吧！ 目前市場上感</span><span class="push-right">227F 05/17 21:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yvnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">yvnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 覺看的應該是玻璃面板封裝</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: CoWoS-L 說要從5.5倍光罩尺吋 推到2029的14X</span><span class="push-right">229F 05/17 22:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之所以會討論 玻璃基板 也是有一說rubin 就遇到一些</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 困難 rubin ultra 是 8倍光罩尺寸</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只能推了</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/17 22:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就gg的專家覺得他們才能克服其問題然後才有能力量產</span><span class="push-right">233F 05/17 22:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓整體產能爬坡...以gg來看，確實要2030才有機會，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其他廠商都沒能力量產就是...。業外的人就每季看法</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說跟時程囉</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/celet/push?y=26" target="_blank">celet</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不如說是因為GG有CoWoS的優勢 所以玻璃這塊相對不急</span><span class="push-right">237F 05/17 22:37</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> diefishfish. http://disp.cc/b/205-i42N 2026-05-17T16:25:44+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:09+08:00

台股4萬點月線保衛戰開打？台積電成回檔關鍵 分析師點名「三大防守板塊」 https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260517700357-430201 台股4萬點月線保衛戰開打？台積電成回檔關鍵 分析師點名「三大防守板塊」 - 證券 - 工商時報 【中時新聞網 吳美觀】美股「黑色星期五」股債雙殺，費城半導體重挫 4.02%，衝擊台指期夜盤狂瀉487點至 40511 點，下周一開盤將面臨空襲警報。專家指出，台股短線將承受下殺壓力，操作焦點應觀察月線、4萬點支撐是否守住，建議投資人避開高估值成長股，將資金挪移至具實質業績的記憶體、具新題材的「實體 ... 工商時報（中時新聞網） 台股4萬點月線保衛戰開打？台積電成回檔關鍵 分析師點名「三大防守板塊」 2026.05.17 11:24 中時新聞網 圖／本報資料照片 圖／本報資料照片 已將目前網頁的網址複製到您的剪貼簿！ 【中時新聞網 吳美觀】 美股「黑色星期五」股債雙殺，費城半導體重挫 4.02%，衝擊台指期夜盤狂瀉487點至 40 511 點，下周一開盤將面臨空襲警報。專家指出，台股短線將承受下殺壓力，操作焦 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> diefishfish ()<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 台股4萬點月線保衛戰開打？台積電成回檔<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 16:25:44 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 台股4萬點月線保衛戰開打？台積電成回檔關鍵 分析師點名「三大防守板塊」 <a href="https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260517700357-430201" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260517700357-430201</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260517700357-430201" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>台股4萬點月線保衛戰開打？台積電成回檔關鍵 分析師點名「三大防守板塊」 - 證券 - 工商時報</strong></a> <a href="https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260517700357-430201" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="356" data-ori_h="200" style="width:356px;height:200px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/s2/q/images.ctee.com.tw/ffe97485958031debb762b98c2f6de88.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a><a href="https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260517700357-430201" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="356" data-ori_h="200" style="width:356px;height:200px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/s2/q/static.ctee.com.tw/9b6b56731b49bf22974003dcf61e2537.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>【中時新聞網 吳美觀】美股「黑色星期五」股債雙殺，費城半導體重挫 4.02%，衝擊台指期夜盤狂瀉487點至 40511 點，下周一開盤將面臨空襲警報。專家指出，台股短線將承受下殺壓力，操作焦點應觀察月線、4萬點支撐是否守住，建議投資人避開高估值成長股，將資金挪移至具實質業績的記憶體、具新題材的「實體 ...</div></div> </div> 工商時報（中時新聞網） 台股4萬點月線保衛戰開打？台積電成回檔關鍵 分析師點名「三大防守板塊」 2026.05.17 11:24 中時新聞網 圖／本報資料照片 圖／本報資料照片 已將目前網頁的網址複製到您的剪貼簿！ 【中時新聞網 吳美觀】 美股「黑色星期五」股債雙殺，費城半導體重挫 4.02%，衝擊台指期夜盤狂瀉487點至 40 <div class="combine-lines">511 點，下周一開盤將面臨空襲警報。專家指出，台股短線將承受下殺壓力，操作焦點應 觀察月線、4萬點支撐是否守住，建議投資人避開高估值成長股，將資金挪移至具實質業 績的記憶體、具新題材的「實體AI」及防守型價值股。</div> 科技股重災、美債殖利率飆破5.1% <div class="combine-lines">摩爾投顧分析師林漢偉指出，美股周五（15 日）迎來大幅回檔，三大指數全面收黑。由 於近期漲勢凌厲的 AI 與半導體股淪為獲利了結的重災區，英特爾、美光重挫逾 6%、輝 達下跌4.42%；這導致標普500 指數收跌 1.24%，那斯達克指數下滑 1.54%至 26,225.14 點，道瓊工業指數則大跌 537.29 點（跌幅 1.07%）。相較之下，微軟（Microsoft）逆 勢上漲 3.05%、閃迪（Sandisk）上揚1.80%，因本益比較低、具備價值型屬性而相對抗跌 。</div> <div class="combine-lines">除了地緣政治導致能源價格持續飆漲外，本周公布的通膨數據高於預期，更引發市場擔憂 聯準會（Fed）未來的降息難度。30 年期美債殖利率急升突破 5.1%，觸及近一年來的最 高水平，10年期公債殖利率也飆高至4.7%附近，債券殖利率的暴升進一步壓抑了高估值成 長股的表現。</div> <div class="combine-lines">林漢偉表示，台指期夜盤隨美股重挫487點（跌幅 1.19%），技術面上大盤已跌破5日線與 10日線。雖然護國神山台積電目前仍在所有均線上，但已步步逼近月線，台積電能否守 穩將是下周台股回檔空間的決定性關鍵。大盤指數的核心防線落在月線（約40000 點）， 若在周三台指期結算前守穩，投資人則不需過度擔憂。</div> 分析師示警避開高本益比與矽光子族群 <div class="combine-lines">林漢偉強調，在利率上升與股債雙殺的嚴峻環境下，市場的選股邏輯應從過去的「交易未 來」徹底轉向「重視實質業績」。當利率走高、貼現率上升時，高本益比的成長股（如部 分矽光子、CPO族群及 IC 設計）將面臨嚴重的估值下修壓力，下周操作應優先避開，轉 而尋求「跌時重質」、具備基本面（EPS 高成長）與低本益比保護的價值型公司。</div> 針對下周的操盤策略，投資人可將目光鎖定在具備避風港屬性的三大防守板塊： 一、記憶體族群： 該產業目前坐擁鎧俠（Kioxia）財報利多與三星罷工題材，且多檔指 標股（如群聯、宜鼎、十銓）呈現「股價越漲、本益比越低」的低基期優勢。 <div class="combine-lines">二、實體 AI（Physical AI）： 此板塊為台積電論壇親自點名的下一個巨型成長動能， 包含機器人概念股（如上銀、大銀微、所羅門）與智慧眼鏡供應鏈（如采鈺、達邁）。 三、防守型價值股： 手握大量現金的指標公司（如統一超、中華電及大型金融股），在 利率走高時可透過債券再投資維持獲利成長，具備極強的抗跌防禦屬性。</div> 儘管對記憶體與實體AI的前景抱持樂觀看法，但林漢偉特別提醒投資人，下周一開盤後不 建議盲目積極追高，因為大盤與個股在短期內仍可能面臨劇烈的震盪拉回。 <span style="color:#008000">※免責聲明：文中所提之個股、基金內容僅供參考，並非投資建議，投資人應獨立判斷，</span> 審慎評估風險，自負盈虧。 台股 加權指數 記憶體 矽光子 台積電 相關新聞 <div class="combine-lines">心得：40000點保衛戰會是明天開始這週的觀察重點？還是會跌破世界眼鏡，台股持續飆 創歷史新高，後續盤勢分析，值得高度關注。分析師示警避開高本益比與矽光子族群，大 家怎麼看呢？</div> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 39.12.115.191 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: diefishfish 2026-05-17 16:25:44</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779006346.A.CA4.html" target="_blank">#1g2NkAoa 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href="/ptt/user/FolkJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FolkJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你想要什麼樣的分析師</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/17 16:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以殺G就好嗎？</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yu1111116/push?y=26" target="_blank">yu1111116</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先問問國安基金</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 16:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/white1861/push?y=26" target="_blank">white1861</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回檔到36000</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/acb521/push?y=26" target="_blank">acb521</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就2330在撐盤才會大家一起跌</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 16:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/acb521/push?y=26" target="_blank">acb521</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 根本是元兇</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週五大跌500 GG沒貢獻</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 16:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linfuon/push?y=26" target="_blank">linfuon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然是回檔到32000讓大家重賺一次阿 這次要賺1億</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 16:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週該輪到殺G拉中小了</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 16:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人族群要落後補漲了嗎！！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kimula01/push?y=26" target="_blank">kimula01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個5~6月下殺就是買點 不要不信喔</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 16:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/catboost/push?y=26" target="_blank">catboost</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中屎</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 16:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MediaPlayer/push?y=26" target="_blank">MediaPlayer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先回檔到18000點吧</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gtaped05550/push?y=26" target="_blank">gtaped05550</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第一次回檔記得買</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 16:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neil0611/push?y=26" target="_blank">neil0611</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/0W93LUU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/0W93LUU.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 16:53</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="183" data-ori_h="275" style="width:183px;height:275px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/0W93LUU.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空襲警報 老蘇主場來了</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 16:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamnook2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamnook2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵) 4萬護盤辣資狗</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 16:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Skycrane/push?y=26" target="_blank">Skycrane</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 走廊開了沒</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FinallyPeace/push?y=26" target="_blank">FinallyPeace</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回檔多一點啊 我要加碼</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 17:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BaGaJohn5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">BaGaJohn5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老蘇都在做空了 還有人看多喔</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sixigma/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sixigma</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼越保衛越高，你倒是給我下來啊</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian751204/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian751204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別在520前下來喔 這樣會很不給面子</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dbdudsorj/push?y=26" target="_blank">dbdudsorj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 帶來不幸的積</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 17:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AMDMARSHAL/push?y=26" target="_blank">AMDMARSHAL</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年底就破五萬了 好了啦一堆恐慌仔跟沒上到車的</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 17:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AMDMARSHAL/push?y=26" target="_blank">AMDMARSHAL</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 身邊年輕人這幾年哪個不是每年多買三四間房</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sorrow0206/push?y=26" target="_blank">sorrow0206</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40500鋼底，歐印做多</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 17:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一路回萬三，不要不信</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 17:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q09701023/push?y=26" target="_blank">q09701023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回到32000 大家回去上班</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才月線哦 還希望可以跌到年線耶</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 17:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/diefishfish/push?y=26" target="_blank">diefishfish</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這週會下到36000點嗎？</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 17:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Livin/push?y=26" target="_blank">Livin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等三萬保衛戰再吵好嗎...</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gary810426/push?y=26" target="_blank">gary810426</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積不回，換中小跌爛</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SimleToMe/push?y=26" target="_blank">SimleToMe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3萬見</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azcooper/push?y=26" target="_blank">azcooper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下看8700</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 18:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azcooper/push?y=26" target="_blank">azcooper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 四萬二變2萬四</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dotober2005/push?y=26" target="_blank">dotober2005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上次戰爭才到季線 除非升息才能到年線吧..</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 18:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chiy16/push?y=26" target="_blank">chiy16</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一直拉台積撐指數殺中小 很快就破4萬點 然後GG補刀</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 18:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good10740/push?y=26" target="_blank">good10740</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 關稅價10倍股，準備大修正</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 6227明天再鎖一一根</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilovecat5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilovecat5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 19:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamdds/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamdds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 槓桿歸零看戲中</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furbyyeh/push?y=26" target="_blank">furbyyeh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gg is over</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tomy886/push?y=26" target="_blank">tomy886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌就是買 別看人數錢啊</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 20:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karting/push?y=26" target="_blank">karting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拜託下來給我買</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 21:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/largan6075/push?y=26" target="_blank">largan6075</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一個禮拜前還沒4萬現在就保衛 不覺得寫得很可笑嗎</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 21:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j68345517/push?y=26" target="_blank">j68345517</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體防守？？？</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 21:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 22:36</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> id44kimo. http://disp.cc/b/205-i42z 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最近忽然開始吹玻璃 但目前看起來 玻璃基板這東西其實講很久了 真的要進到取代銅箔感覺還很久 但不知道為甚 忽然整個產業開始談玻璃基板了 到底 玻璃基板現在走到哪了呢 有沒有高手能解釋一下 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> id44kimo (擁抱吧(B))<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [請益] 玻璃基板取代銅箔基板？<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 15:51:45 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 最近忽然開始吹玻璃 但目前看起來 玻璃基板這東西其實講很久了 真的要進到取代銅箔感覺還很久 但不知道為甚 忽然整個產業開始談玻璃基板了 到底 玻璃基板現在走到哪了呢 有沒有高手能解釋一下 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 122.121.131.140 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: id44kimo 2026-05-17 15:51:45</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779004307.A.D37.html" target="_blank">#1g2NEJqt (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779004307.A.D37.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1779004307.A.D37.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼可能取代 XD</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 15:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1KVNNvkuwM" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1KVNNvkuwM</a></span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 15:54</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/i1KVNNvkuwM?autohide=1&"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/i1KVNNvkuwM/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還沒量產 但玻璃基板確實是為了解決發熱跟過大導致</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 15:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: K11良率降低的問題</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: *PCB</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且成本又比ABF便宜很多</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BlueBird5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">BlueBird5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基 同勃基 一家親</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 15:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bill1478963/push?y=26" target="_blank">bill1478963</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基板 光雷射穿孔良率就很難搞了</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 15:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaibright/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaibright</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的有取代應該也還很久</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 15:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 你知道這兩種東西差很多嗎</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 15:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thetide0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">thetide0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 妳有沒有發現台積技術論壇說COUPE沒說COPOS</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 15:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thetide0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">thetide0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為目前根本搞不定技術問題</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vmcjormp/push?y=26" target="_blank">vmcjormp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基板好幾年前就在試了 三星台積電與英特爾都在</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 16:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vmcjormp/push?y=26" target="_blank">vmcjormp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 瘋狂測試跟加錢搶設備</span></div> 最近就一直看這幾家在喊 就覺得奇怪 整個玻璃基板技術大突破了嗎 怎忽然各家好像都有了 <span class="record">※ 編輯: id44kimo (122.121.131.140 臺灣), 05/17/2026 16:02:18</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要做大 還得靠玻璃</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 16:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當初TSV也是搞很久 但是轉向面板型封裝是勢在必行</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 16:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的 玻璃基板剛好就是目前最適配面板型封裝的基材</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 像台積電的COPOS也是非做出來不可的 Feymann太大太</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 熱COPOS已經應付不了了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devirnt/push?y=26" target="_blank">devirnt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不知道是要怎麼鑽孔，良率怎麼做好</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 16:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KyGrA/push?y=26" target="_blank">KyGrA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 增量市場沒有誰取代誰</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 16:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zixiang/push?y=26" target="_blank">zixiang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要炒股什麼死人骨頭都敢講阿</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 16:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TGV技術目前最成熟看起來最可行的是LIDE技術</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 16:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billgreenoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">billgreenoil</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前的方向比較傾向玻璃做暫時Carrier</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f860506/push?y=26" target="_blank">f860506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 號稱已經可以解決玻璃細裂問題了</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有沒有業界先進出來解惑解惑Ｊ個產業相關能不能買</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 16:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不就是一個方向咩 距離量產還久的咧</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 16:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光通不也是炒很久 結果老黃直接說短期內還不會取代</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kausan/push?y=26" target="_blank">kausan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 0</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 16:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/answermangtr/push?y=26" target="_blank">answermangtr</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前就是中介層 取代abf 還遠</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cl3bp6/push?y=26" target="_blank">cl3bp6</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 南電搞很久了 從2022年就在試</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kausan/push?y=26" target="_blank">kausan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還可以炒2年 別怕 滿倉幹進去</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Fezico/push?y=26" target="_blank">Fezico</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當初的Roadmap就是明年27年要開始試產不是？</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BroDians/push?y=26" target="_blank">BroDians</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這兩個有替代關係嗎</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是技術突破 是需求現在才看得到值得砸錢研究玻璃</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟CCL根本不同用途 你這篇更科幻</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thetide0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">thetide0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說到TGV就必須要有一台蔚華科的設備 沒什麼人在討論</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Fezico/push?y=26" target="_blank">Fezico</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基板搞很久惹，從上一波載板大熱就開始搞</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就像你在撥接年代說光通訊 錯誤的時間點投資=破產</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Fezico/push?y=26" target="_blank">Fezico</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙膏大概五年前就重倉壓進去惹，沒記錯的話</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 16:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/l04/push?y=26" target="_blank">l04</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那買台玻最穩呀</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 16:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/phate06/push?y=26" target="_blank">phate06</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: lpkf</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 16:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a19951218/push?y=26" target="_blank">a19951218</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以前在景碩待過 除了WARPAGE還有其他不能在這</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben6421463/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben6421463</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想取代ABF，居然可以傳成取代CCL</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a19951218/push?y=26" target="_blank">a19951218</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說的技術原因 但反正還早</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/walter41/push?y=26" target="_blank">walter41</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別小看它，它達成率跟碳中和ㄧ樣高</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pns215/push?y=26" target="_blank">pns215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基板的問題太多了，光是運輸容易碎裂的問題到現</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 16:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pns215/push?y=26" target="_blank">pns215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在都無法解決</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pns215/push?y=26" target="_blank">pns215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且欣興南電前幾年早就一直在實驗了，真的有出來，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pns215/push?y=26" target="_blank">pns215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃到的還是ABF這群</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/erenrush/push?y=26" target="_blank">erenrush</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 至少還要兩年以上</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 16:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/powersnsn/push?y=26" target="_blank">powersnsn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子一直想進化成玻璃包子</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ru04hj4/push?y=26" target="_blank">ru04hj4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 竹竿裝菜刀</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 16:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/x221x221/push?y=26" target="_blank">x221x221</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小作文一直出</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 16:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ray142857/push?y=26" target="_blank">ray142857</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 製造消息想騙你手上的ABF股票而已 呵呵</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 16:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xyzgod999/push?y=26" target="_blank">xyzgod999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別提南電啦才沒幾天已-32%</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 16:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alonso842/push?y=26" target="_blank">alonso842</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投顧在炒作而已 一堆投顧會員套在裡面 狂發文章在洗</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fujioqq/push?y=26" target="_blank">fujioqq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在先試試看能不能取代矽中介層而已</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tobbaco/push?y=26" target="_blank">tobbaco</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還早</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starjim/push?y=26" target="_blank">starjim</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台玻富喬跟這個有關嗎</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 16:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abel0201/push?y=26" target="_blank">abel0201</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ABF股價太高在大逃殺了</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 16:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/seanflower/push?y=26" target="_blank">seanflower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟台玻有關係嗎？</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 16:47</span></div> 那又好奇一件事了 取代矽中介層跟玻璃硬碟這兩項呢 <span class="record">※ 編輯: id44kimo (122.121.131.140 臺灣), 05/17/2026 16:48:35</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/seanflower/push?y=26" target="_blank">seanflower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台玻跟垃圾一樣</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 16:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/seanflower/push?y=26" target="_blank">seanflower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蛋雕沒人要</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/doverdover/push?y=26" target="_blank">doverdover</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Cvdid期間阿共仔被全世界討厭時好像就已在研究方型</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 16:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/doverdover/push?y=26" target="_blank">doverdover</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基板？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thetide0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">thetide0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除了穿孔 還有膨脹係數問題</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 16:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanly3092/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanly3092</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幫轉gay版，又是玻璃又是基的</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 16:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙膏廠這塊好像領先</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 16:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flydogzzz/push?y=26" target="_blank">flydogzzz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個宇宙目前被限制最快是光，除非跳脫宇宙</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 16:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玻璃基板就在某些領域還在搞研發，很燒錢啦，要到</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 16:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 量產賺錢還很遠啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thetide0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">thetide0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要搞玻璃就一定要低熱源的光 Micro LED CPO是最佳解</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 16:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AMD不是下半年會用玻璃基板封裝嗎？</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/17 16:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大部份領域都會保留銅箔基板</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/17 16:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thetide0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">thetide0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AMD只是評估測試 目前無法商用量產</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/17 17:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 理輪上為了省材料錢取代ABF 銅箔基板，但是齁多加</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/17 17:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一些製程，整個工藝不一定便宜</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takuya1/push?y=26" target="_blank">takuya1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲到四千塊的台光電：嗯？</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/17 17:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schula/push?y=26" target="_blank">schula</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: glw表示</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/17 17:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 進到台積電的3d fabric聯盟，載版那幾家公司早就跟</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/17 17:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 著台積電在搞玻璃基板了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟台玻搭不上關係，這是特製化玻璃</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基板</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎可能取代 成本差太多了 原料也不好取得</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pprose/push?y=26" target="_blank">pprose</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還在發展前期，說要取代也至少要5年以上</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 17:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: cpo 光電特性 大尺寸封裝 翹曲 很多脈絡要一起看才</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/17 17:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能理解技術路線為什麼要往玻璃走，然後這也不是什</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 麼從0到1完全取代的問題= =</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q09701023/push?y=26" target="_blank">q09701023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2028 比光通還遠</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/17 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果有人看到台光股價有點弱，跟你說玻璃取代CCL，</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/17 17:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那人不是壞就是低能</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andy79323/push?y=26" target="_blank">andy79323</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 味精公司穩到不行 不要被騙票</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/17 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HAYABUSA1207/push?y=26" target="_blank">HAYABUSA1207</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="http://imgur.com/cVXP0hm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/cVXP0hm.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">94F 05/17 17:51</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="530" data-ori_h="800" style="width:530px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/cVXP0hmh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aoc902001/push?y=26" target="_blank">aoc902001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 邏輯上可行但技術多年無法克服的產品。</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/17 18:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aoc902001/push?y=26" target="_blank">aoc902001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 良率太低無法量產。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Roger1015/push?y=26" target="_blank">Roger1015</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒量產價值，晶片很貴</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/17 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台玻真的很難玩 成本67.3以為買得夠低 結果還賠錢</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/17 18:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台玻超洗的 早知道買聯電 一路漲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/winston01/push?y=26" target="_blank">winston01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 良率以外 產品的生命週期跟耐用？想過沒</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/17 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無法完全替代</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/17 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/misthide/push?y=26" target="_blank">misthide</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2028有可能取代 現在已經炒完了</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/17 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台玻別看錯了，他板塊是列在玻璃基板，但是不是關</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/17 18:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鍵技術</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b0364864/push?y=26" target="_blank">b0364864</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個沒在業界根本不清楚誰有吃到 一堆拿AI文章來騙</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/17 18:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b0364864/push?y=26" target="_blank">b0364864</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b0364864/push?y=26" target="_blank">b0364864</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我說脆</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要看的是關鍵技術的玻璃基板</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/17 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jyun528/push?y=26" target="_blank">jyun528</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 輝達投資康寧就是這樣</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/17 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cafeiouiou/push?y=26" target="_blank">cafeiouiou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買不到鈦昇了啦</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/17 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪一堆人抱怨台玻不會漲，他只是被列在玻璃基板</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/17 18:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的板塊，真正關鍵技術就入台積3D fabric 載板那幾</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 家公司</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A1pha/push?y=26" target="_blank">A1pha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 知道搞玻璃的，應該都40+了……</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/17 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用猜 直接買台積電即可</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/17 19:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Robbie0328/push?y=26" target="_blank">Robbie0328</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒那麼快，還要個至少兩三年以上</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/17 20:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/enjoythegame/push?y=26" target="_blank">enjoythegame</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高階才採用，很多價格都漲了不少</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/17 20:49</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> DrowningPool. http://disp.cc/b/205-i42k 2026-05-17T15:05:25+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:08+08:00

原文標題： 請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除 台股震盪…法人：有修正壓力 但基本面無虞 原文連結： 網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分。 https://udn.com/news/story/7251/9508087 台股震盪…法人：有修正壓力 但基本面無虞 | 股市要聞 | 股市 | 聯合新聞網 上周台股震盪，多次開高走低，始終無法收上42000點，外資本周連續賣超，最後收 41172 點，周跌 431 點，法人表示，台股並非無基之彈，但短線有修正壓力，惟日均量仍高達1.247兆，成交量充足下仍可關注AI相關個股。 ... 發布時間： 請勿張貼超過3天新聞 2026-5-16 記者署名： 藍鈞達 原文內容： 上周台股震盪，多次開高走低，始終無法收上42000點，外資本周連續賣超，最後收 41172 點，周跌 431 點，法人表示，台股並非無基之彈，但短線有修正壓力，惟日均量 仍高達1.247兆，成交量充足下仍可關注AI相關個股。 玉山科技島基金經理人王偉哲指出，在多頭快速引領指數大漲後，台股進入高檔震盪，但 不論從美國或台灣企業營收與獲利 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> DrowningPool (My broken dreams)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 台股震盪…法人：有修正壓力 但基本面無虞<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 15:05:25 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 台股震盪…法人：有修正壓力 但基本面無虞 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://udn.com/news/story/7251/9508087" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://udn.com/news/story/7251/9508087</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://udn.com/news/story/7251/9508087" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>台股震盪…法人：有修正壓力 但基本面無虞 | 股市要聞 | 股市 | 聯合新聞網</strong></a> <a href="https://udn.com/news/story/7251/9508087" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="436" style="width:655px;height:436px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://pgw.udn.com.tw/gw/photo.php?u=https://uc.udn.com.tw/photo/t3/2026/05/17/34955306.jpg&amp;M=1&amp;s=Y&amp;x=0&amp;y=0&amp;sw=1183&amp;sh=788&amp;exp=3600" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>上周台股震盪，多次開高走低，始終無法收上42000點，外資本周連續賣超，最後收 41172 點，周跌 431 點，法人表示，台股並非無基之彈，但短線有修正壓力，惟日均量仍高達1.247兆，成交量充足下仍可關注AI相關個股。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026-5-16 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 藍鈞達 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 上周台股震盪，多次開高走低，始終無法收上42000點，外資本周連續賣超，最後收 41172 點，周跌 431 點，法人表示，台股並非無基之彈，但短線有修正壓力，惟日均量 仍高達1.247兆，成交量充足下仍可關注AI相關個股。 <div class="combine-lines"><span style="color:#00F000">玉山科技島基金經理人王偉哲</span>指出，在多頭快速引領指數大漲後，台股進入高檔震盪，但 不論從美國或台灣企業營收與獲利來看，這波AI帶動的多頭是反映真實需求面，包括觀察 AI獨角獸如OpenAI或Anthropic的年化營收高速翻倍成長，反映AI需求真實並非炒作題材 ，而非無基之彈。</div> <div class="combine-lines"><span style="color:#00F000">永豐投顧</span>指出，近期市場輪動快，加上主動式ETF近期受到散戶大量追捧，上市的主動ETF 規模破千億，溢價率更是突破5%，市場追買意願強，進一步推動了ETF持股大量的買入， 促使市場輪動更集中且波動率更提升，因此選股尤為重要。</div> <div class="combine-lines">此外，AI 伺服器機櫃與高速運算需求端仍在擴大，從伺服器機櫃出貨持續倍數成長，水 冷散熱與 CPU Socket均呈供不應求，供應鏈普遍上修全年營收及獲利預估，台灣在全球 AI 基礎建設的關鍵供應地位未變，高速運算資本支出擴張趨勢為台股中長線提供基本面 支撐，整體供應鏈從組裝、散熱到連接器，訂單能見度持續提升。</div> <div class="combine-lines">不過，永豐投顧分析，可能還有修正行情，可以靜待指數回落，而台股基本面展望基礎未 動搖，因此回檔至<span style="color:#00F000">月線40000支撐位</span>可伺機佈局。王偉哲建議，操作可應類股輪動保持彈 性，聚焦電子類股，並以半導體測試、光通訊產業為主，並可增持電子零組件、電力電機 等。另外考量美伊戰爭導致通膨維持高檔，聯準會降息機率顯著下降可能導致股市震盪加 劇，宜減碼評價偏高漲多個股，並加碼營運展望正向且成長性明確之個股或族群。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 明天開盤應該是很精彩 但法人說 問就是基本面無虞 短期回檔修正也丸拳不必擔心 穩了？ <div 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class="ptt-push-content">: 明天電梯向下</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/exespexespe/push?y=26" target="_blank">exespexespe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先殺融資再來談基本面~</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又是基本面，看來真的要下去了</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 16:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒人說不會漲啊，只是先跌200%殺融資，嘻嘻：）</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 16:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pk9980192/push?y=26" target="_blank">pk9980192</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 42000套仔 融資質押仔準備離場 請各位準備抄底</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/one2three3/push?y=26" target="_blank">one2three3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大概率阿呆股</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/firelemon/push?y=26" target="_blank">firelemon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃麵囉</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keigo800004/push?y=26" target="_blank">keigo800004</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回測月線整理完，再上攻……</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Argos/push?y=26" target="_blank">Argos</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.meee.com.tw/3rmghvV.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.meee.com.tw/3rmghvV.png</a></span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 16:33</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://meee.com.tw/3rmghvV" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="600" style="width:800px;height:600px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.meee.com.tw/3rmghvV.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FrankCastle/push?y=26" target="_blank">FrankCastle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我就問哪次基本面有問題的？ 真的是屁話一堆ㄟ</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tn950811/push?y=26" target="_blank">tn950811</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃麵</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jayys5048aam/push?y=26" target="_blank">jayys5048aam</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃麵囉</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aa01081008tw/push?y=26" target="_blank">aa01081008tw</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近多事之秋..逼出喊基本面..看來要跌一波</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 16:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eemail/push?y=26" target="_blank">eemail</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喊也要看誰喊,你也可以喊</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 16:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/majongson/push?y=26" target="_blank">majongson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還沒開盤就先打預防針，好像懂了</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Skycrane/push?y=26" target="_blank">Skycrane</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大媽沒在吃麵的</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 17:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 季線</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 17:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hsuanYue/push?y=26" target="_blank">hsuanYue</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃麵</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/assian/push?y=26" target="_blank">assian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上漲時說恐崩盤,下跌時說基本麵好吃!知道背後含意吧</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 17:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ddshu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ddshu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下跌一千點招呼</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MinJun5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MinJun5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃麵時間到了</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼高點吃個屁麵</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 17:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccjj8/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccjj8</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來人餵公子吃麵</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/skyblack2000/push?y=26" target="_blank">skyblack2000</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雞本麵好ㄘ</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 18:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dannpptt/push?y=26" target="_blank">dannpptt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好久沒吃麵了 大概要整盤一波了</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 18:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Xarke/push?y=26" target="_blank">Xarke</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在股價符合基本面嗎，還是先透支未來的基本面呢</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 18:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Xarke/push?y=26" target="_blank">Xarke</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zizc06719/push?y=26" target="_blank">zizc06719</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃麵囉</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alan0260/push?y=26" target="_blank">alan0260</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就車太重，先砍一下融資</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkest68/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkest68</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下去 現在</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gginin7878/push?y=26" target="_blank">gginin7878</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲一萬點了跌那一點點就在哭夭…？</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poco0960/push?y=26" target="_blank">poco0960</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 油價會不會直接噴上120？</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 19:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pearlQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">pearlQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又是基本麵</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/17 20:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brain8052/push?y=26" target="_blank">brain8052</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 救救可成</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 21:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種新聞出來就知道禮拜一又要大跌了</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/17 21:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/InTheLAR/push?y=26" target="_blank">InTheLAR</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那就是3萬再進場囉</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/17 22:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crab15232/push?y=26" target="_blank">crab15232</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 建議把市面上的&quot;陽春麵&quot;都改叫&quot;基本麵&quot;好了</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/17 22:25</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> pal4luv. http://disp.cc/b/205-i41V 2026-05-17T10:15:35+08:00 2026-05-17T18:54:38+08:00

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<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> pal4luv ()<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [請益] 請問電腦程式下單<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 10:15:35 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 有提到任一支股票請使用[標的] 有提到任一支股票請使用[標的] 有提到任一支股票請使用[標的] 發文前請先詳閱[請益]分類發文規範，未依規範發文將受處分。 根據板規 1-4-2 請益可提及標的，但是只要屬以下如： 1.問漲跌，或持股分析。 2.預測個股或產業未來性。 3.或有推薦意圖。 請使用[標的]分類並依正確格式發文，違者1-4-2處分。 ---------------------按ctrl+y<span style="color:#F0F000"> 可刪除</span>以上內容。---------------------------- 在YT看到某券商有Python API電腦下單系統 可以下單、設定自選股等等 股民不用盯盤, 設定好條件可以自動完成交易 似乎提供了散戶程式交易的機會 大家對券商的自動下單的評價如何？ <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.163.85.253 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: pal4luv 2026-05-17 10:15:35</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778984137.A.441.html" target="_blank">#1g2IJ9H1 (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778984137.A.441.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778984137.A.441.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fbiciamib123/push?y=26" target="_blank">fbiciamib123</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 養龍蝦幫你炒股就好了</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 10:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billy791122/push?y=26" target="_blank">billy791122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不就智慧單而已</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 10:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrey/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrey</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: claude 寫就好 小心違約</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 10:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Nootdorp/push?y=26" target="_blank">Nootdorp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哇!從此世上無窮人了</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 10:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ymx3xc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ymx3xc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本很大才敢用程式玩吧~</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 10:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a19951218/push?y=26" target="_blank">a19951218</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大戶投不就有了..</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/17 11:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全自動違約交割</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 11:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abcqq2323/push?y=26" target="_blank">abcqq2323</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有比川普下單厲害嗎</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 11:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LIGI1983/push?y=26" target="_blank">LIGI1983</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下0050先贏8成人 會程式下單再贏8成</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 11:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cleanx/push?y=26" target="_blank">cleanx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有賺大錢的機會輪得到散戶？</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaqimon/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaqimon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我不想知道自動下單 我只需要AI自動賺錢就好</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 11:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaqimon/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaqimon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給AI我的銀行帳號 每天幫我加值進去就好</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不就條件單 每個app都可以設定</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 11:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Denny224/push?y=26" target="_blank">Denny224</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以考慮買卷商版的multichart 康和有提供</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 11:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pujos/push?y=26" target="_blank">pujos</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的敢用勇者</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 11:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yulin0619/push?y=26" target="_blank">yulin0619</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 某樓說贏八成再贏八成，這樣總共是贏過幾成的人？</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 11:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h0103661/push?y=26" target="_blank">h0103661</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 認真說，支援python跟非windows環境的只有幾家，都</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 12:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h0103661/push?y=26" target="_blank">h0103661</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2026了還一堆券商還在上世紀的憑證認證方式就很搞</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h0103661/push?y=26" target="_blank">h0103661</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oldntu/push?y=26" target="_blank">oldntu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: python可以接大模型幫你思考下單，很厲害</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 12:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc0922001/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc0922001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我指數化投資也都不用盯盤</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 12:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ypw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ypw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就智慧單，設條件到了幫你下這樣。</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 12:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eierom/push?y=26" target="_blank">eierom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾乎每一家都有這個功能吧</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben6421463/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben6421463</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用程式自動每天下單0050一百股是秘傳聖杯</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 13:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iversonya/push?y=26" target="_blank">iversonya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺你用9000萬在玩</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 13:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kokilly/push?y=26" target="_blank">kokilly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自動輸錢機</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 13:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要體驗比賭場還刺激的港覺啊</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 13:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/veter/push?y=26" target="_blank">veter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/Jwlezhw" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/Jwlezhw.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 13:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/veter/push?y=26" target="_blank">veter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼簡單的買法還要用程式？</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="834" data-ori_h="800" style="width:834px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/Jwlezhwh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 評價很讚 就自動生錢 成本大概就電費和摩擦衍生費</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 14:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我當初就是從這開始程式交易</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 14:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股票轉期貨再轉24小時交易</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股票幾乎都可以找到相同風險的期貨，而期貨手續費低</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以一般人下股票程式交易的需求應該比較低</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在純股票程式交易我已經沒在用，只有和期貨、選擇</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 權搭配時會用</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 憑證也不是啥大問題</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果程式碼都是自己寫的，憑證不過就是下載加讀取而</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已...根本不複雜</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果是直接拿國外寫好的介面才會有些許問題~但也不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是很特別</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早就在用了</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 14:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/genius721105/push?y=26" target="_blank">genius721105</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我會建議買XQ比較簡單</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 14:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Fezico/push?y=26" target="_blank">Fezico</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 程式交易是這樣但又不是這樣</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 14:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/took/push?y=26" target="_blank">took</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你程式邏輯有問題或是市場環境變動大一點 都可能變</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 15:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/took/push?y=26" target="_blank">took</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成自動賠錢機，首先你有那個時間成本隨時顧好你的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/took/push?y=26" target="_blank">took</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 程式嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FaDaTsai/push?y=26" target="_blank">FaDaTsai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 程式交易這麼厲害，那有程式交易ETF嗎</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 16:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這可不是不小心把硬碟殺光就沒事喔</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 18:23</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> ChanHoPark. http://disp.cc/b/205-i41C 2026-05-17T11:15:49+08:00 2026-05-17T20:06:39+08:00

原文標題：工紙雙雄「正隆漲10%、永豐餘調整訂單」 專家：下個恐漲衛生紙 原文連結：https://news.tvbs.com.tw/life/3205257 工紙雙雄「正隆漲10%、永豐餘調整訂單」 專家：下個恐漲衛生紙│TVBS新聞網 受原物料、能源及運輸成本持續攀升影響，工紙雙雄正隆與永豐餘宣布調漲工業用紙，為兩年來首見！亞太商工總會執行長邱達生示警，若漲勢未趨緩，下一個恐怕就是衛生紙。 ... 發布時間：2026/05/15 18:32 記者署名：簡雅婷 原文內容： 受原物料、能源及運輸成本持續攀升影響，工紙雙雄正隆與永豐餘宣布調漲工業用紙，為 兩年來首見！亞太商工總會執行長邱達生示警，若漲勢未趨緩，下一個恐怕就是衛生紙。 受到原物料、能源及運輸成本持續攀升影響，國內紙業市場面臨漲價壓力。工紙雙雄正隆 與永豐餘相繼宣布調漲，這是兩年來首見的漲價動作。亞太商工總會執行長邱達生示警， 若漲勢未趨緩，下一個恐怕就是衛生紙。 正隆宣布工業用紙及紙箱將於5月起陸續調漲10%，永豐餘則強調因原物料價格持續上漲， 早在4月便已與客戶協調，針對部分成本較高的訂單先行反映成本。正隆指出，過去 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> ChanHoPark (公園先生)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 工紙雙雄「正隆漲10%、永豐餘調整訂單」<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 11:15:49 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span>工紙雙雄「正隆漲10%、永豐餘調整訂單」 專家：下個恐漲衛生紙 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span><a href="https://news.tvbs.com.tw/life/3205257" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://news.tvbs.com.tw/life/3205257</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://news.tvbs.com.tw/life/3205257" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>工紙雙雄「正隆漲10%、永豐餘調整訂單」 專家：下個恐漲衛生紙│TVBS新聞網</strong></a> <a href="https://news.tvbs.com.tw/life/3205257" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="675" style="width:1200px;height:675px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cc.tvbs.com.tw/img/upload/2026/05/15/20260515183532-91b01173.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>受原物料、能源及運輸成本持續攀升影響，工紙雙雄正隆與永豐餘宣布調漲工業用紙，為兩年來首見！亞太商工總會執行長邱達生示警，若漲勢未趨緩，下一個恐怕就是衛生紙。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span>2026/05/15 18:32 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span>簡雅婷 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">受原物料、能源及運輸成本持續攀升影響，工紙雙雄正隆與永豐餘宣布調漲工業用紙，為 兩年來首見！亞太商工總會執行長邱達生示警，若漲勢未趨緩，下一個恐怕就是衛生紙。 受到原物料、能源及運輸成本持續攀升影響，國內紙業市場面臨漲價壓力。工紙雙雄正隆 與永豐餘相繼宣布調漲，這是兩年來首見的漲價動作。亞太商工總會執行長邱達生示警， 若漲勢未趨緩，下一個恐怕就是衛生紙。</div> <div class="combine-lines">正隆宣布工業用紙及紙箱將於5月起陸續調漲10%，永豐餘則強調因原物料價格持續上漲， 早在4月便已與客戶協調，針對部分成本較高的訂單先行反映成本。正隆指出，過去兩年 台灣工紙價格不漲反跌將近10%，但鄰近的越南市場價格卻上漲14%，顯示台灣市場價格並 未反映實際成本。從業者自身的成本結構來看，光是2024年第一季到今年第一季，人工成 本累積增加15%，運輸費用上漲8%，煤炭成本增加近10%，天然氣成本更大幅攀升40%，各 項成本壓力沉重。</div> <div class="combine-lines">邱達生表示，AI供應鏈需求、能源價格與物流成本短期內都還沒有看到降溫的現象，因此 暫時看不到有明顯的趨緩跡象，後續再漲的壓力機會很高。他進一步指出，衛生紙也受紙 漿、能源及運輸成本的影響，如果國際原料價格持續在高檔，再加上通膨壓力仍然持續， 衛生紙就有可能調漲。由於攸關民生，正隆與永豐餘都表示，家庭用紙價格目前仍在苦撐 ，尚無調漲計畫。專家也預估，就算最後真的撐不住必須漲價，漲幅與速度也不會像紙箱 一樣快，將以降低民生衝擊為最大考量。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 物價都在漲，終於輪到工業用紙，接下來預計連衛生紙都要漲價，衛生紙之亂又要重演了 嗎?還好今年股東會有送衛生紙，恭喜各位股東。 <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 49.216.161.205 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: ChanHoPark 2026-05-17 11:15:49</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778987751.A.B5C.html" target="_blank">#1g2JBdjS (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778987751.A.B5C.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778987751.A.B5C.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/soon55555/push?y=26" target="_blank">soon55555</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才跌一天就要炒紙箱？</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 11:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SimACC/push?y=26" target="_blank">SimACC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 估值修正，傳產股有救了嗎？ 我看還是一起往下</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 11:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想騙人住公園阿</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 11:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keigo800004/push?y=26" target="_blank">keigo800004</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪今年不送衛生紙了！</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 11:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌三年 漲5趴...普天同慶....</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 11:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrty/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛生紙之亂？</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/17 11:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定是漲太多...出貨新聞.....傳產竟然沒創十年新</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 11:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tgyhuj01/push?y=26" target="_blank">tgyhuj01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 心得亂寫 今年明明沒送衛生紙</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 11:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pppopp/push?y=26" target="_blank">pppopp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒事沒事台灣cpi 1-2%</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 11:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Q00863/push?y=26" target="_blank">Q00863</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛生紙雙雄！！</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 11:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tgyhuj01/push?y=26" target="_blank">tgyhuj01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股價早反應快20%了</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 11:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JIWP/push?y=26" target="_blank">JIWP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ai紙箱</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 11:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maxman77/push?y=26" target="_blank">maxman77</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公園紙箱又要缺貨了嗎？</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 11:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rockwave/push?y=26" target="_blank">rockwave</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今年紀念品超雷 凸</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 11:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovehan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovehan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 睡公園成本漲10%……（誤）</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 11:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fay001/push?y=26" target="_blank">fay001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: cpi才 1.2%，哪有通貨膨脹，造謠是不是（反串註明</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 11:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kao14/push?y=26" target="_blank">kao14</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正隆今年發的線上折抵兩百不如不要發</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 11:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovehan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovehan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 線上折抵200比中鋼還爛 XD</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 11:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣經濟成長率很好....物價小漲 其實還好</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 11:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哭啊公園仔的紙箱也要漲</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 11:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果經濟衰退 物價還漲價才能靠腰....</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 11:46</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不能你股市賺了n倍....卻不准物價漲5塊.......</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Atwo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Atwo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼了 又在炒紙了</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 11:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很多生意人 不漲價 其實就公司關一關 一起炒股 賺</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 11:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比較快.....</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newvote/push?y=26" target="_blank">newvote</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺小錢 還被靠腰 然後又賺不到多少.....何必</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneeyewolf/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneeyewolf</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來還有衛生紙可以領</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 12:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mynumber55/push?y=26" target="_blank">mynumber55</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回收價格也沒漲啊</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 12:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/randykaku/push?y=26" target="_blank">randykaku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳產想騙</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 12:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buyerko/push?y=26" target="_blank">buyerko</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 日本八月要漲衛生紙，台灣遲早的</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 12:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wekaytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wekaytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台骨4萬點 不准排骨漲價？ 漲4倍很合理</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 12:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒事兒以後便當都200以上</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 12:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wekaytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wekaytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳慘：漲到你不要不要 馬的 人人股神 人人都是好野</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 12:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wekaytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wekaytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人 漲10倍 不用拉倒 下一位！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ai紙</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 12:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganbee/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganbee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 少去送錢給明星,可以買好幾年的衛生紙了.</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 12:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛生紙之亂又要來嗎</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 12:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guardangle/push?y=26" target="_blank">guardangle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放心 政府會說沒有漲</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 12:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wekaytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wekaytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自從用了AI屁眼 就不需要衛生紙了</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 12:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dnzteeqrq/push?y=26" target="_blank">dnzteeqrq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣一堆衛生紙質量又夠差的</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 12:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TOMMY75410/push?y=26" target="_blank">TOMMY75410</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 紙箱概念讚</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 12:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TOMMY75410/push?y=26" target="_blank">TOMMY75410</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99華紙</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lmc66/push?y=26" target="_blank">lmc66</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI造紙</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 12:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/misthide/push?y=26" target="_blank">misthide</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 載板蛋雕 換紙板</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 12:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公園概念股</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 12:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jmcgow11/push?y=26" target="_blank">jmcgow11</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 載板晶片啥的都不用了 用衛生紙就好</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 12:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jasop/push?y=26" target="_blank">jasop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又要衛生紙之亂了?</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 12:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shin0924/push?y=26" target="_blank">shin0924</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公園都無法待了</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 12:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n74042300/push?y=26" target="_blank">n74042300</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛生紙蝦皮買超便宜==</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 12:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kurotuna/push?y=26" target="_blank">kurotuna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒差 公園蓋載板就好</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 12:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 載板換紙板 歐印啦</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 12:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamduncan/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamduncan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 騙誰啊</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 12:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noname912301/push?y=26" target="_blank">noname912301</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒通膨呦</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 12:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 紀念品是紙箱嗎</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 12:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vgil/push?y=26" target="_blank">vgil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛生紙之亂前幾年就有過了</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 12:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cl3bp6/push?y=26" target="_blank">cl3bp6</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連住公園生活成本也通膨</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 12:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Obama19/push?y=26" target="_blank">Obama19</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要出貨了</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 13:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/youbee/push?y=26" target="_blank">youbee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資金要轉進傳產避難了嗎？99傳產</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 13:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛生紙之亂是有週期的嗎？</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lishiter/push?y=26" target="_blank">lishiter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳產真的慘，一路右下角</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 13:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asdzxc001/push?y=26" target="_blank">asdzxc001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成立衛生紙辦公室，補助金額圈500e</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 13:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nckuman/push?y=26" target="_blank">nckuman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 睡紙箱吃水果 沒有通膨沒有通膨</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 13:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dovepacket/push?y=26" target="_blank">dovepacket</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: park概念股</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 13:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jokem/push?y=26" target="_blank">jokem</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公園要鋪什麼好...</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 13:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luckybun/push?y=26" target="_blank">luckybun</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今年紀念品是網購滿500折200的抵用券...超爛 = =</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 13:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s81048112/push?y=26" target="_blank">s81048112</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛生紙之亂4.0?</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 13:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCPenis/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCPenis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 工業用紙早就漲一段時間了吧</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 13:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UOG7/push?y=26" target="_blank">UOG7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛生紙之亂又要出現了</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 13:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wrbdnombd/push?y=26" target="_blank">wrbdnombd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一切預告在前</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 13:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ck326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ck326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇是典型的先拉漲了之後編理由出貨文，嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 13:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a 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href="/ptt/user/FiveSix911/push?y=26" target="_blank">FiveSix911</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公園概念股？</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/17 16:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zebra79979/push?y=26" target="_blank">zebra79979</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我有100股耶</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/17 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a79111010/push?y=26" target="_blank">a79111010</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 屁股圖又可以拿出來用</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 16:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公園沒紙板了 995</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/djohn/push?y=26" target="_blank">djohn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好險我在舒潔工作</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/17 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stlotwa/push?y=26" target="_blank">stlotwa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再來一次衛生紙之亂</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/17 19:55</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> onekoni. http://disp.cc/b/205-i411 2026-05-17T09:51:44+08:00 2026-05-17T20:06:37+08:00

台股26Q1 eps入庫 故更新 加權指數 41172 本益比 28.43 EPS成長 9.7% 動態槓桿 https://i.mopix.cc/BLf4OB.jpg 重點整理 1. 目前合適的槓桿率仍然落在150%。 2. EPS增長高於預期（年底可能逼近35%），本益比增長後低於30，故仍可保持半凱利。 3. 兩倍槓桿點位約32000。 三倍槓桿點位約24500。 台股目前是eps增長消化了漲幅，雖然爆槓桿率上限25倍，但第一季通常是台股淡季，因 此年底極可能達成35%以上的增長。 1320*1.35 = 1,782 年底eps1800，25倍能支撐45000點，現在的台股是貴在增長性，並沒有泡沫，頂多稍微過 熱，保持半凱利是風險平衡的做法。 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> onekoni (一貓人我的超人)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [心得] 正二動態槓桿簡易檢查表<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 09:51:44 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 台股26Q1 eps入庫 故更新 加權指數 41172 本益比 28.43 EPS成長 9.7% 動態槓桿 <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/BLf4OB.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/BLf4OB.jpg</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1206" data-ori_h="965" style="width:1206px;height:965px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/BLf4OB.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> 重點整理 1. 目前合適的槓桿率仍然落在150%。 2. EPS增長高於預期（年底可能逼近35%），本益比增長後低於30，故仍可保持半凱利。 3. 兩倍槓桿點位約32000。 三倍槓桿點位約24500。 台股目前是eps增長消化了漲幅，雖然爆槓桿率上限25倍，但第一季通常是台股淡季，因 此年底極可能達成35%以上的增長。 1320*1.35 = 1,782 年底eps1800，25倍能支撐45000點，現在的台股是貴在增長性，並沒有泡沫，頂多稍微過 熱，保持半凱利是風險平衡的做法。 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 49.216.19.196 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: onekoni 2026-05-17 09:51:44</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778982707.A.B3E.html" target="_blank">#1g2Hypi- (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778982707.A.B3E.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778982707.A.B3E.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 09:51:58</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Muilie/push?y=26" target="_blank">Muilie</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 酒醒貓</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 09:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宿醉中</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 09:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我只想問會跌下來嗎？想撿便宜</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 09:59</span></div> 下週有機會！川寶要叫伊朗蛙送錢 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 09:59:45</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CHINCHIN5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">CHINCHIN5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等川普搞事才有可能35000以下吧 05/17 09:59 </span></div> 沒150可以趁-8%-10%提高到150%，這季增長太誇張了，七月4.4萬，年底5萬不是不可能。 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 10:01:13</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CHINCHIN5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">CHINCHIN5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我現在都被推到1.63%了…</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 10:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dnzteeqrq/push?y=26" target="_blank">dnzteeqrq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: PUSH =.=</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/17 10:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CHINCHIN5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">CHINCHIN5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 163%</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 10:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 163%就…看個人吧XD</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 10:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovingbase/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovingbase</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 維持率衝到400%了 這波真的太兇了</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 10:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keineAhnung/push?y=26" target="_blank">keineAhnung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 維持率太高+1 現在質押很難申請</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 10:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股錢荒</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 10:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yu1111116/push?y=26" target="_blank">yu1111116</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝貓大</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 10:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guk/push?y=26" target="_blank">guk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等換台灣QE台股10萬點</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 10:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我都不敢賣擔保品了 賣掉錢就就不回來</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 10:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cksai/push?y=26" target="_blank">cksai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌破兩萬時心態會崩嗎？</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 10:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnney/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnney</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 10:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 水喔</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 10:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gwboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">gwboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 超過2倍以上的槓桿是開期貨?跌爛還開槓3倍沒幾個敢</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 10:27</span></div> 期貨喔 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunpedro0202/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunpedro0202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 10:30</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 10:34:43</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我沒開期貨，原型+正二，這波自己默默破160%</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 10:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schula/push?y=26" target="_blank">schula</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推推</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 10:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rebel/push?y=26" target="_blank">rebel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有再平衡 一直漲比重就一直被拉上去 囧 05/17 10:41 </span></div> 這波漲勢真的太無情了 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 10:42:43</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devilsabre/push?y=26" target="_blank">devilsabre</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 10:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別說35000 現在連40000都很穩</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 10:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4萬以上就安穩吃漲幅</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 10:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a9940597/push?y=26" target="_blank">a9940597</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 10:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BHooo/push?y=26" target="_blank">BHooo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩字一出 真的穩了</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 10:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsubasa1116/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsubasa1116</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想知道26Q1 eps數據怎麼看的</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 10:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/Xr3Xt8.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/Xr3Xt8.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 10:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 28962/20=1,448</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="626" data-ori_h="800" style="width:626px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/Xr3Xt8.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好，推計算。偷喝不揪？</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 11:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/l52015/push?y=26" target="_blank">l52015</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 11:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DiamondAse/push?y=26" target="_blank">DiamondAse</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺p/e 比的eps不知道是不是拿去年的</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 11:14</span></div> 過去12個月的 逐季更新 25Q4 1320 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fatb/push?y=26" target="_blank">fatb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前看40000就好 法人主力大戶也都知道這是信心防線</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 11:16</span></div> 積極一點七月可能先上45000 反映整個2026的成長（股價會早半年） 五月這次回踩應該是為了衝45000 之後修正區間盤 10月後到年底5萬 希望這個好劇本順利！ <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fatb/push?y=26" target="_blank">fatb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 引發崩潰級別的多殺多會玩火自焚的</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cool10528/push?y=26" target="_blank">cool10528</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: EPS可以這樣算？</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 11:18</span></div> 怎麼不行 上一季在37000時推論上44400也沒有差很多 有eps就能算折現率 折現率就是真金白銀進股東口袋的效率 搭配資金成本對照就能算出合適的槓桿率 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 11:29:50</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EddieWuRJJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">EddieWuRJJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前還有三牛ㄧ熊循環嗎 感覺這牛好久</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 11:30</span></div> 2025/04川普強制清零 應該從這裡起算 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 11:32:58</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fcsbdking/push?y=26" target="_blank">fcsbdking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝一貓大 定期追蹤這系列文章獲益良多</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 11:33</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 11:47:03</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devilsabre/push?y=26" target="_blank">devilsabre</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 11:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 馬上就要破4萬恐慌多殺多了 不過同意最慢明年上5萬</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 11:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pleomax1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">pleomax1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好奇問現在正價差這麼猖狂無限轉倉不會損耗太大嗎</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 12:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pleomax1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">pleomax1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？近期用台積期複製兩倍想長持，發現風險報酬這樣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pleomax1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">pleomax1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算下來不是特別理想</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以631L慢慢用現貨</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 12:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連續上漲的複利效應會抵銷 不用緊張 除非正價差不</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 12:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不吃正價差吃不到報酬率平方的複利紅利</span></div> 補充一下每日再平衡優點是，該年度報酬率高時，複利效果會很驚人。 計算公式是泰勒凸性紅利：報酬率平方 14%歷史平均報酬是0.14*0.14 = 0.0196 1.96% 30%報酬是0.3*0.3 = 0.09 9% 50%報酬是 0.5*0.5 = 0.25 25% 因此雖然正二吃正價差耗損，但只要該年度報酬豐富，複利效應帶來的報酬絕對划算。 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 12:33:23</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xd987/push?y=26" target="_blank">xd987</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝分享</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 13:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben2227486/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben2227486</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上禮拜股版這股借貸風氣還害我有點動搖產生FOMO 看</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 13:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben2227486/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben2227486</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完這篇就冷靜了 我的槓桿率很健康</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kazami3019/push?y=26" target="_blank">kazami3019</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請問大盤eps增長率要去哪查？謝謝你</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 13:50</span></div> 25Q4 1320 26Q1 1448 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nickelpig/push?y=26" target="_blank">nickelpig</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感恩貓大</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 14:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiversonx17/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiversonx17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推個 目前槓桿率漲到也是差不多150%</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 14:58</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 15:19:39</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pkh1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">pkh1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺開到3倍的時候吃了7、80%的mdd…</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 15:21</span></div> 對 長期危機（2000 2008）才能大膽三倍 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/seanflower/push?y=26" target="_blank">seanflower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這禮拜把正二換成0050發現正二也不是真的兩倍漲跌QQ</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 15:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/seanflower/push?y=26" target="_blank">seanflower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前都在0050應該還是要換一半回正二才對QQ</span></div> 正二是「每日」兩倍「報酬指數」 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 15:23:06</span> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 15:24:03</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tigerzz3/push?y=26" target="_blank">tigerzz3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 近期不只台指期 個股期貨近月遠月正價差超扯 台積聯</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 15:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tigerzz3/push?y=26" target="_blank">tigerzz3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 發台達都是</span></div> EPS成長太誇張了 大家搶著買 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gialon12/push?y=26" target="_blank">gialon12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝貓大 持續待在場內</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 15:39</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 16:02:33</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gtaped05550/push?y=26" target="_blank">gtaped05550</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喜歡看大家討論</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lt5114/push?y=26" target="_blank">lt5114</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正價差逆價差是不是其實可以解釋成折溢價比較淺顯</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 16:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lt5114/push?y=26" target="_blank">lt5114</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 易懂</span></div> 也不是 折溢價是另外的東西 正價差逆價差主要是期貨是交易未來的現貨 未來悲觀/樂觀，或是未來有除息 都會造成未來價格的變化 你付出的錢沒有少買到當下交易出來的「未來」 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Frobel/push?y=26" target="_blank">Frobel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正二 之前都追期貨 跟0050沒關係</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 16:29</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 16:36:36</span> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 16:37:21</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit3591/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit3591</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請問631L加入10%台積電，是不是可以視為631L預料未</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 17:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit3591/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit3591</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來會再拉指數，但目前市場資金動能不足，因此如果只</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit3591/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit3591</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是追蹤期貨會變成只漲台積而其他非台積大多都下跌，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit3591/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit3591</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因此631L的漲幅會隨著大盤指數上漲而成長力道趨緩，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit3591/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit3591</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 故加入10%台積成份股呢？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Pheromone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Pheromone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上 631L已經有26%台積電了</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 17:56</span></div> 我在猜他是想模擬回0050兩倍報酬指數 畢竟他是叫0050正二 目前用台指期有點名不副實 如果真的變回0050每日兩倍 那就是大型股vs全市場的差別 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 18:14:12</span> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 18:15:22</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit6642/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit6642</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請問貓大槓桿率 是純粹用正二現金去組合嗎 還是有</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 19:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit6642/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit6642</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 加入0050？</span></div> 如果有意願配置美股 可以用50%50%正二配納指 純台股就現金正二配 25% 75% <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 19:18:06</span> <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.19.196 臺灣), 05/17/2026 19:18:39</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit6642/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit6642</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了解 最低不超過150%槓桿率就是了？</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/17 19:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit6642/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit6642</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是說那指下跌 台股高機率也下跌 為何還可以用各50%</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit6642/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit6642</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的方式？不會風險太高嗎</span></div> 一樣是150%啊 納指原型50% 正二50%*2=100%原型 這樣曝險150% 然後比例偏離10%再平衡即可 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.22.76 臺灣), 05/17/2026 19:50:27</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devilsabre/push?y=26" target="_blank">devilsabre</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問題是你可以找出一個 台股跌時他就會上漲 的標的嗎</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/17 19:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devilsabre/push?y=26" target="_blank">devilsabre</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除了放空台股</span></div> 下跌可以想成是門票 跌下來提高槓桿是重點 <span class="record">※ 編輯: onekoni (49.216.22.76 臺灣), 05/17/2026 19:56:30</span> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> waitrop. http://disp.cc/b/205-i40I 2026-05-17T08:56:43+08:00 2026-05-17T20:06:36+08:00

"預測記憶體會大缺貨" 跟 "記憶體是AI主流bottleneck" 這是兩件事情, 兩個人說的都對, 只是方向不太一樣, 的確, a000000000 說的沒錯, "整葛記憶體大缺貨跟agentic ai獲利模式確立有關 之前根本沒辦法預測ai能獲利 也不可能預測記憶體會大缺貨" LDPC 說的也沒錯, "做AI產業從眾在2023看到記憶體體就是主流 所有AI 訓練模型 每天被記憶體限制" 那麼時間回到2023年 ai "不能"獲利的那個時間點, 業界是有人看到AI 被記憶體限制住, 至少我確定NVDA 跟 GOOG有看到, 只是沒想到會記憶體大缺貨, 當時的想法是要解決memory wall的問題, 想用新的架構去解決記憶體限制的問題, 但是並沒有想過記憶體會大缺貨, again 這是兩件事情 Rubin CPX 就是為了記憶體限制而設計的, 同時期的MPU 以及其他TPU架構設計, 全都在為了解決記憶體限制問題, 但是真的沒人想到記憶體會大缺貨, 我還記得一兩年前, GDM 帶領p ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> waitrop (嘴砲無雙)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [請益] 為什麼GG一直不做記憶體？<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 08:56:43 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span class="record">※ 引述《a000000000 (比古A十郎)》之銘言：</span> <span class="quote">: ※ 引述《LDPC (Channel Coding)》之銘言：</span> <span class="quote">: : 我覺得既要又要 通常都會自爆 歷史故事回頭看 走專一會活得比較好</span> <span class="quote">: : 以一個公司為例 如果一個A業務賺大錢 同時間B業務賠錢 會發生什麼事情</span> <span class="quote">: : 2020三星為例 三星家電跟手機大賺錢 記憶體賠錢 那時候三星記憶體高層整天被胖揍</span> <span class="quote">: : 三星人事是這樣的 每年12月 EVP以上一年一度檢討績效 做不好直接走人</span> <span class="quote">: : 那個2020記憶體冰河時期 半導體高層 記憶體那邊一年換一次 手機部門風風光光</span> <span class="quote">: : 家電電視部門都因為Covid 特殊關係 work from home 大量刺激所有消費電腦手機產業</span> <span class="quote">: : 而記憶體就是慘淡 想像一下 半導體高層只能高壓去揍基層 基層說要做HBM第四代</span> <span class="quote">: : 三星半導體高層哪敢賭 隔壁部門賺大錢 自己部門大賠錢</span> <span class="quote">: : 同個時間海力士CEO鼓勵員工犯錯 當海力士員工說 我們來攻頂吧 HBM第四代</span> <span class="quote">: : 當時CEO 為了另找他路(他家就只有記憶體) 就all in攻頂HBM 還讓員工大量分紅股票</span> <span class="quote">: : 後來故事大家都知道 海力士整個士氣大振 在不知道HBM4.0需求下 就把這技術幹出來</span> <span class="quote">: : 在2020時間線 還發生台灣美光廠 前腳說we are family 後腳就裁員 整個士氣下降到底</span> <span class="quote">: : 在2023看到記憶體HBM是主流 硬生生又自家DRAM技術去魔改成HBM第四代 台灣員工素質</span> <span class="quote">: : 又很好 就硬生生殺回HBM時代 那是一個奇蹟</span> <span class="quote">: : 回到現在 三星家電部門(DA) 電視部門 手機部門(DX)銷售慘淡 換這些高層被胖揍</span> <span class="quote">: : 還史上第一次電視部門被移出三星電子集團 電視部門不在繼續投資 以後資源往半導體</span> <span class="quote">: : 萬一哪天AI 新體驗又解鎖電視 家電 手機情況 那三星是不是又要回來繼續投資?</span> <span class="quote">: : 既要又要 還有一個最大的公司當例子 i皇</span> <span class="quote">: : 當年i皇如日中天 想做手機晶片 通訊晶片 IoT 半導體工廠 CPU GPU</span> <span class="quote">: : 完全既要又要 解果勒 手機晶片沒人要用 IoT產業從來沒起來過 最後就開始拆組賣賣賣</span> <span class="quote">: : 更別說早年i皇既要又要 第一次UWB晶片 拖台灣一起去死 第二次Wimax又拖台灣一起死</span> <span class="quote">: : 第二次還拖了聯發科 資策會 工研院 大同少主還加碼去投資wimax基地站 後來全爆炸</span> <span class="quote">: : 再回到2015 蘇媽找海力士去用HBM 放在電競顯卡上 慘澹賣 雖說有無限光景</span> <span class="quote">: : 你如果是記憶體大老 那個時間點 你會作何想法?</span> <span class="quote">: : 而老黃2015看到HBM新用法 第一個把HBM 第一代放入P100 然後親自開車去當P100 sales</span> <span class="quote">: : 把p100 展現給開放愛請大家簽名</span> <span class="quote">: : 從那時候GenAi開始有個起點 硬體開始能走算力暴力就是美的大時代 記憶卡哇那時候</span> <span class="quote">: : 還不知道整個記憶體產業要開始因為GenAI 慢慢受益</span> <span class="quote">: : 最關鍵大概就是2023</span> <span class="quote">: : 而做AI產業從眾在2023看到記憶體體就是主流 所有AI 訓練模型 每天被記憶體限制</span> <span class="quote">: : 被虐得不要不要 所有人 就算是雜魚科學家 都知道 記憶&lt;-&gt;算力等效互換時代要來了</span> <span class="quote">: : 而台灣那時候記憶卡哇高層卻還沒看到</span> <span class="quote">: : 這不是因為做產業的看不到 而是你有時候得跳出那個盒子去思考</span> <span class="quote">: : 需求端有時候是在另一側 話說回來 台積2010-&gt;2020 自己也走過好幾次風風雨雨</span> <span class="quote">: : 先進封裝很明顯是一個很重要分水嶺 那玩意比去跳去記憶體產業開其他戰場支線來得重要</span> <span class="quote">: : 若沒先進封裝 台積電到現在就不可能置霸</span> <span class="quote">: : 在另外一個世界線 比較合理 就是台廠某家記憶卡哇高層 走海力士路線 賭那個遙遠未來</span> <span class="quote">: : 但台灣高層 呵呵 我...算了 那種說教態度 爹味濃度超高 就連在批踢踢</span> <span class="quote">: : 某幾個號稱專家(估計年齡比我大) 說教爹味濃度超高 自稱AI專家 做到經理級</span> <span class="quote">: : 卻常講的亂七八糟 你稍微提了一下你覺得對東西 還會被嗆</span> <span class="quote">: : 我很懷疑創新跟賭未來這種路線能在台灣發芽</span> <span class="quote">: : 這就是我雖然覺我自己是雜魚 但我很少tech版發文 太多爹味農愛說教 活在自己世界線</span> <span class="quote">: : 老張我最喜歡點就是 除了夜鷹計畫 還有先進封裝 這種賭上未來技術路線</span> <span class="quote">: : 在後來手機和AI產業有很好基石 這種有自己品味的預測 已經很少見了</span> <span class="quote">: : 海力士這波分紅故事 太像西方做法 基本上已經搞到現代員工也要去罷工了</span> <span class="quote">: : 我甚至懷疑CEO這波分紅深層涵義 就是用矽谷那一套 用吸引員工那一套 搞死其他家</span> <span class="quote">: : 結論 台灣記憶卡哇就是記憶卡哇 不是AI卡哇</span> <span class="quote">: LDPC大這篇我有些地方hen不同意</span> <span class="quote">: 不過不是針對個人</span> <span class="quote">: 大家蕉流蕉流</span> <span class="quote">: 先講記憶體好惹</span> <span class="quote">: 整葛記憶體大缺貨跟agentic ai獲利模式確立有關</span> <span class="quote">: 簡單講在這之前根本沒辦法預測ai能獲利</span> <span class="quote">: 也不可能預測記憶體會大缺貨</span> &quot;預測記憶體會大缺貨&quot; 跟 &quot;記憶體是AI主流bottleneck&quot; 這是兩件事情, 兩個人說的都對, 只是方向不太一樣, 的確, a000000000 說的沒錯, &quot;整葛記憶體大缺貨跟agentic ai獲利模式確立有關 之前根本沒辦法預測ai能獲利 也不可能預測記憶體會大缺貨&quot; LDPC 說的也沒錯, &quot;做AI產業從眾在2023看到記憶體體就是主流 所有AI 訓練模型 每天被記憶體限制&quot; 那麼時間回到2023年 ai &quot;不能&quot;獲利的那個時間點, 業界是有人看到AI 被記憶體限制住, 至少我確定NVDA 跟 GOOG有看到, 只是沒想到會記憶體大缺貨, 當時的想法是要解決memory wall的問題, 想用新的架構去解決記憶體限制的問題, 但是並沒有想過記憶體會大缺貨, again 這是兩件事情 Rubin CPX 就是為了記憶體限制而設計的, 同時期的MPU 以及其他TPU架構設計, 全都在為了解決記憶體限制問題, 但是真的沒人想到記憶體會大缺貨, 我還記得一兩年前, GDM 帶領project 大頭在開會最後下的結論, 當時還沒有記憶體缺貨的問題, 他說他不確定記憶體是否會缺貨, 也不確定以後算法改變之後是否還需要那麼多記憶體, 有可能這個案子開始量產的時候會遇到算法更新, (他當時一再強調算法更新, 可能提前看到TurboQuant報告) 導致記憶體不再是AI 算力的限制, 那麼我們這幾年的努力跟金錢就會白費, 但是在這個時間點, 這個記憶體加速器是必須做的, 然後兩年後就賭對了 記憶體真正開始缺貨是去年下半年開始, ai 開始獲利, 又傳出有人包下40%+的記憶體產能, 然後就開始一路缺貨到現在 不過說句公道話, 記憶體跟面板產業 沒人敢跳進去玩, 這兩塊被玩爛了, 尤其是台灣人被重傷過, 不信你去查&quot;兩兆雙星&quot;, 台灣人不是沒意願做記憶體, 而是被嚇到了, 差點被滅國, 人家裁判球員都是自己的, 你玩不過韓國跟中國, 這個再多說又扯到政治話題 反正記憶體產業沒人敢跳進去玩, 台灣人在記憶體差點被惡搞滅國, 美國也差不多被惡性競爭搞到剩美光一家, 現在CSP 跟記憶體使用廠商都是 等等黨, 等到明後年再看看, 沒人敢自己蓋記憶體廠, 都被嚇到過, 而且大家都認為明後年會有改變, 可能是算法改變導致不需要那麼多的記憶體, 也可能是硬體架構改變不需要那麼多的記憶體, 也有可能是那個包了40%+記憶體產能的人, 付不出錢來釋出記憶體產能, 其實我都在懷疑韓國那兩個記憶體廠可能現在都幫忙倒貼來鎖住籌碼, anyway, 我沒有證據, 我知道沒人願意跳進來建廠, 所有人都在等 <span class="quote">: 我跟三大廠的人聊</span> <span class="quote">: 他悶內部的能見度也就這兩年</span> <span class="quote">: 因為沒人敢說兩年後會怎樣</span> <span class="quote">: 只有客戶敢 但是客戶也敢兩手一攤賠錢跑掉</span> <span class="quote">: 留下尼新廠蓋好養蚊子</span> <span class="quote">: hbm有沒有競爭對手</span> <span class="quote">: 有R</span> <span class="quote">: 之前老黃吞掉的groq跟最近上市的cerebras</span> <span class="quote">: 這兩家都是sram</span> <span class="quote">: 如果尼晶片互聯技術超強的話</span> <span class="quote">: 理論上尼塞一堆sram去跟hbm搶某些應用場景</span> <span class="quote">: 那4hen有機會der</span> <span class="quote">: 而且sram速度快hen多</span> <span class="quote">: 當然agentic時代是dram也缺爆</span> <span class="quote">: 這4另一回事</span> <span class="quote">: 至於早期hbm</span> <span class="quote">: 我真的跟大家說</span> <span class="quote">: 賠錢貨</span> <span class="quote">: 做到死</span> <span class="quote">: 最早就蘇媽那張vega三小的卡</span> <span class="quote">: 我聽以前測試的同事說</span> <span class="quote">: hbm量率爛的跟大便一樣</span> <span class="quote">: 跑不出本來目標的速度</span> <span class="quote">: 規格降惹好幾遍</span> <span class="quote">: 上市變笑話</span> <span class="quote">: 三星海力士願意陪蘇媽走到這真的不容易惹</span> <span class="quote">: 不忍苛責</span> <span class="quote">: 另一部分看牙膏</span> <span class="quote">: 牙膏的問題的根源</span> <span class="quote">: 其實就14+++++</span> <span class="quote">: 或者說當年10nm搞不定</span> <span class="quote">: 關鍵是10nm想一口氣把差距拉大結果技術激進良率崩壞</span> <span class="quote">: 不然策略上人家hen努力惹</span> <span class="quote">: 剛好前幾天看到有人推文講我以前說的45 35 25</span> <span class="quote">: 牙膏很早就知道光靠x86市場</span> <span class="quote">: 沒辦法支撐先進製程研發成本</span> <span class="quote">: 45=手機晶片 牙膏有做嗎</span> <span class="quote">: 做惹 可惜最後失敗</span> <span class="quote">: 跟阿婆合作 搞不起來 殘渣賣掉</span> <span class="quote">: 35 25傳統都x86 不談</span> <span class="quote">: 再往下是網卡</span> <span class="quote">: 牙膏有做</span> <span class="quote">: 不過網卡先進製程需求低</span> <span class="quote">: 再往下顯卡</span> <span class="quote">: 牙膏有 失敗兩次</span> <span class="quote">: 但是加計內顯的話牙膏市佔算老大</span> <span class="quote">: 另一葛先進製程晶片需求高的</span> <span class="quote">: 是fpga</span> <span class="quote">: 牙膏先自己養惹幾家養不起來</span> <span class="quote">: 後來買惹altera</span> <span class="quote">: 可惜經營鳥鳥der</span> <span class="quote">: 再往前要挖還不少東西</span> <span class="quote">: 例如wifi 牙膏也曾經很強</span> <span class="quote">: 真的去看牙膏故事</span> <span class="quote">: 我4會忍不住想喊大哥沒有輸</span> <span class="quote">: 阿不過沒辦法 對手4猗窩座</span> <span class="quote">: 手機晶片那塊</span> <span class="quote">: 阿婆2019撿來自己搞 本來號稱2023還哪時會上</span> <span class="quote">: 結果拖到2025</span> <span class="quote">: 中間我只能說一堆雞毛包</span> <span class="quote">: 阿婆晶片部門老實說已經4地表最強惹</span> <span class="quote">: 人類極限惹</span> <span class="quote">: 還做成這樣要死不活</span> <span class="quote">: 牙膏那種正常人的水準還可以苟且多年</span> <span class="quote">: 真der不忍苛責</span> <span class="quote">: 講古4一回事喇</span> <span class="quote">: 畢竟這4股票市場</span> <span class="quote">: 事後理解跟事前預測還4有差der</span> <span class="quote">: 簡單講94</span> <span class="quote">: 尼叫我歐印記憶體</span> <span class="quote">: 我不敢</span> <span class="quote">: 真低不敢</span> <span class="quote">: 甩盤多少次惹我不行惹</span> <span class="quote">: 下禮拜眼看又是大烙賽預備</span> <span class="quote">: 豪恐怖R</span> <span class="quote">: 海豹附身惹</span> <span class="quote">: 真低不行惹</span> <span class="quote">: 年紀大惹覽趴軟惹</span> 最後股點, 這就是航海王的翻版, 去年有上車的賺翻了, 現在搶著上車的 風險很大, 我是不會現在上車, 就像當年錯過航海王 就忍住不要追, 每一兩年就會有新的題材, 賺錢的機會很多, 不要追高歐印這種明顯已經在景氣/產業循環頂部的時候, 看不懂, 就買QQQ, SPY, 甚至TQQQ 都比追高記憶體安全 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 76.103.225.6 (美國)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: waitrop 2026-05-17 08:56:43</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778979405.A.1AD.html" target="_blank">#1g2H9D6j (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778979405.A.1AD.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778979405.A.1AD.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: QQQM、SPYM推推，管理費比較便宜</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 08:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aspirev3/push?y=26" target="_blank">aspirev3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: W 大怎麼看 上週五美股反而是軟體在漲</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 09:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lukesama/push?y=26" target="_blank">lukesama</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你低估台灣人賭性堅強</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/17 09:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lukesama/push?y=26" target="_blank">lukesama</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 身邊不少人繼續融資質押狂壓記憶體</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lukesama/push?y=26" target="_blank">lukesama</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為跟航海王相近，所以普遍認為還會出現第二個高峰</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lukesama/push?y=26" target="_blank">lukesama</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出現</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你說的對 你說的也對 你們說的都對</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 09:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推最後股點。股市最不缺的就是機會，華爾街永遠能</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 09:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 敘事出美好願景，下次好好跟上即可，不必fomo。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lnonai/push?y=26" target="_blank">lnonai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有人跳進來建廠（x) 中國長鑫長江都在擴產，美光</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 09:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lnonai/push?y=26" target="_blank">lnonai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也在狂擴產，但產能開出來至少兩年。兩年內只有需</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lnonai/push?y=26" target="_blank">lnonai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 求反轉，沒有供給過量的問題。</span></div> 我都說了, 只有韓國跟中國敢跳進去玩, 其他人玩不起, 台灣沒有政治力量會被告死, 去看看兩兆三星是怎麼搞死台灣的, 美國的問題是人力成本跟製造業成本 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天三位大神都出來了 真的可以這麼幸福嗎</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 09:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有沒有想過，一堆消費端，及PC 衰退好幾年了，沒有</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 09:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 生產顆粒的代工廠，及通路商，半年來，低價庫存一</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直都有，中間有多少人囤了滿手，大賺，不是民生必</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 須，更不會有人查</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cl3bp6/push?y=26" target="_blank">cl3bp6</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在挺像第二個高峰的啊 上個月都看起來快下去了</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 09:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AndyMAX/push?y=26" target="_blank">AndyMAX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/MLIbAVL" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/MLIbAVL.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 09:13</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="683" style="width:1024px;height:683px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/MLIbAVLh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你身邊又有多少人懂 agentic ai 的應用，這半年的</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 09:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 需求，有沒有可能是人為壟斷大量囤貨</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明明喊缺貨，每個通路商，一直生的出低價庫存來大</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺，怎麼看都是先前就先囤了</span></div> 我個人覺得 agentic ai 有一半是hype, buzz, 尤其是一堆KOL大喊 tokenmaxxing, 一堆腦波弱的就跟著高潮, 當然我是魯蛇, 所以我說的都是魯蛇觀點, KOL不是這麼認為的 我一直認為, 用&quot;消耗多少token&quot; 跟 &quot;寫多少行代碼&quot; 來評價一個人的烤雞, 甚至是業界造神量, 我覺得這是最不專業也最愚蠢的事情, 三四十年前就有人用 &quot;代碼行數&quot; 來打考績, 這種愚蠢的事情, 現在用token 打考績, 更蠢 所以就看這波tokenmaxxing 能吵多久, 吵到老闆付不出錢來, 或是CSP 撐不住算力 說到低價庫存, 也只有記憶體能低價庫存, 而且一定很多人在吵記憶體低價庫存, 但是其他的東西沒有價差大到這麼離譜能夠吵低價庫存 <span class="record">※ 編輯: waitrop (76.103.225.6 美國), 05/17/2026 09:25:54</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒人敢擴廠 那就是繼續賺翻而已</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 09:18</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波有跟到韓股和mu暴拉一波的 真的蠻舒服</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那劉董幹嘛買mu?如果未來不確定性那麼高的話？</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 09:25</span></div> 我不知道, 我說的不確定性是我們記憶體使用者使用廠商的角度, 劉董買mu 很早, 印象中是去年底或去年下半年, 當時應該是很確定看到需求 <span class="record">※ 編輯: waitrop (76.103.225.6 美國), 05/17/2026 09:27:58</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前記憶體股評價的本益比低就是被認為是景氣循環股</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 09:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波如果HBM三大家被認為是AI基礎建設 脫離景氣循</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 環股 那本益比就不會那麼低了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: w大 我記得劉董買在300多 其實沒很早</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 09:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前從60幾噴到300了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以當時很多人都很驚訝都漲那麼多了劉董還追</span></div> 一般這種都是看到關鍵訊號, 劉董追高買自家股票之後大賺, 也不是第一次了, 幾年前劉董買台積電一開始也是被笑說是追高 <span class="record">※ 編輯: waitrop (76.103.225.6 美國), 05/17/2026 09:34:17</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DogEggz/push?y=26" target="_blank">DogEggz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以我想知道什麼時候有便宜的記憶體買QQ</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 09:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DogEggz/push?y=26" target="_blank">DogEggz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我想升級電腦啊啊啊啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讚喔 推</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 09:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lingbei/push?y=26" target="_blank">lingbei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體先餵飽AI，再回來餵飽PC，</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 09:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lingbei/push?y=26" target="_blank">lingbei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再回去餵AI，如果能這樣循環，他就能脫離景氣循環</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/endlesswalk/push?y=26" target="_blank">endlesswalk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推，是說劉董是誰？台積前董事長劉德音嗎？</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 09:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的有不吃記憶體頻寬算法出來,那等同edge AI開啟</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 09:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Edge AI一開啟, 那等同RAM用量跑去edge</span></div> 已經開啟, 正在做, 所以這一兩年與之後的RAM用量, 不在著重在高價的記憶體上面 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc12812/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc12812</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 劉董去美光一段時間了</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 09:45</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: waitrop (76.103.225.6 美國), 05/17/2026 09:47:37</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 劉董講話要聽,只是我買太少了，還是很怕RAM股</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 09:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CowBaoGan/push?y=26" target="_blank">CowBaoGan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 劉董好像買在33X 就算這波跳水還是賺</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 09:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會跌破德音防線嗎？</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 09:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zebirlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">zebirlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 劉德音進入美光後才建倉美光的阿~買自家股票不犯法</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 09:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問題一直是相關算法不會普及，因為會影響模型進步，</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 09:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 節省頻寬的演算法通常只能用在特定模型，會限制研究</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 團隊的研發彈性</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerry10307/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerry10307</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 劉董MU買33X, 潘董群聯買兩千。記憶體快降價..</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 09:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且現在記憶體價格對CSP來說仍然不貴</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 09:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國有辦法說美國製造卡人 台灣擴廠有可能被卡啊</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 09:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 至於買一點MU分散佈局以免被拋下很正常 但它漲到變</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 持有最大部位怪我嗎(ry</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體大廠看起來跟GG一樣，都有控制投資力道</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 09:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣的話, Edge如果 起來，就賣 DDR6 7</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Edge 沒起來, 就繼續賣HBM. 感覺這波會持續3~4 年</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只有美光沒在控制，三星和海力士的產能年增只有5%</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 10:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Shepherd1987/push?y=26" target="_blank">Shepherd1987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GG沒在控制 Max 輸出了, 過去沒看過這樣擴廠的</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 10:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積電不是跟清華合作mram</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 10:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 關鍵字 mpu 合作廠商</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 10:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美光除了血統正確，量產規格上輸韓廠</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 10:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ck326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ck326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: tokenmaxxing 那段太中肯了，擺明是叫你裝忙，不過</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 10:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ck326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ck326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高層嗎，你懂der，嘻嘻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: MRAM這GG跟NDL/ITRI/清大/交大一起都做很久了</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 10:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且在台算摳門</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 10:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: MRAM比較屌，但是對業務擴展是RRAM</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 10:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: mram據說這次不一樣</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 10:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: RRAM在GG台中廠做4～5年了</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 10:13</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: MRAM都一樣，貴容量又小的問題沒改變</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/permanent27/push?y=26" target="_blank">permanent27</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國就是垃圾，舔韓仔更是垃圾</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 10:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: RRAM就是Embedded塞進去，買肉送蔥很好推</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 10:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過要真的能賺大錢還是看MRAM就是了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公司每年都評估用MRAM,但是都沒下文,這次可能有機會</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 10:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以理解就算HBM就算用量變少，但edge ai，所用的總</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/17 10:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totqoq/push?y=26" target="_blank">totqoq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: bit不會降嗎？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: easy大可以偷偷跟我咪Orz 跪求</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/17 10:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faloca/push?y=26" target="_blank">faloca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 劉董買的價位在三月底起漲點 他要賠等同這波全跌</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/17 10:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Argos/push?y=26" target="_blank">Argos</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體已經跟AI發展綁定了吧 即使出現不需要那麼多</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/17 10:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dion02/push?y=26" target="_blank">dion02</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不知道而已</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/17 10:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Argos/push?y=26" target="_blank">Argos</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體的架構或算法 也會因為傑文斯悖論更缺貨</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/17 10:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在是分析師預測三星明年大賺 有機會賺的錢追上NV</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/17 10:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 希望能成真啦 這樣手上的台韓etf還能再起飛一波</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Samurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Samurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前看來AI能力上限還遠遠不夠，沒有人會嫌自己太</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/17 10:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Samurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Samurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聰明，算力基建至少到2030</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jerry469/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jerry469</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 10:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就兩兆雙星玩爛的產業</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 10:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xylinum/push?y=26" target="_blank">xylinum</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 兩兆傷心</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/17 10:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒人擴廠 逃啊</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/17 10:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CIIIO/push?y=26" target="_blank">CIIIO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TQ王你現在是拿QQQ還是TQ</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/17 10:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CIIIO/push?y=26" target="_blank">CIIIO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不知啥時可把Q切TQ</span></div> 我現在拿GGLL, 去年六到九月, 全部歐印換成GGLL, 就是在巴菲特公布持股以及gemini 2.0公布之後 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過edge AI有一個變數是潘總, 搞 HB SSD 之類的</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/17 10:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easyman/push?y=26" target="_blank">easyman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞不好HB SSD 可以放模型，也取代大量DDR 需求??</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在蠻期待玻璃硬碟跟mram這兩個出來會改變整個產業</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/17 10:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在韓國和sndk也在搞HBF 如果能成功拿到單 又能再</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/17 10:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 起飛一波了</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: waitrop (76.103.225.6 美國), 05/17/2026 11:00:48</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: HBF已經沒有這麼看好了，搞不好胎死腹中</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/17 11:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweaaazzz/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweaaazzz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 熟悉的TQ王文章 一如往常臭開放愛XD 包40%產能</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/17 11:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k255033/push?y=26" target="_blank">k255033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Edge ai再爆發下去，消費市場要怎麼活</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/17 11:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回到大型主機的時代，你手上的是終端機</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/17 11:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devilsabre/push?y=26" target="_blank">devilsabre</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/17 11:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gladopo/push?y=26" target="_blank">gladopo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: pc快買不起惹</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/17 11:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qscNERO/push?y=26" target="_blank">qscNERO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/17 11:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k255033/push?y=26" target="_blank">k255033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體快跟顯卡一樣珍貴了QQ</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/17 11:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stlinman/push?y=26" target="_blank">stlinman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 情感上都覺得記憶體是週期商品，但是AI LLM 上下文</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/17 12:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stlinman/push?y=26" target="_blank">stlinman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 窗口需求都越要越高。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shiyangfoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">shiyangfoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在那批人正在改炒被動元件了</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/17 12:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LansingAltec/push?y=26" target="_blank">LansingAltec</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我的gemini pro還活在wdc併購sndk的時代 還不知道</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/17 12:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LansingAltec/push?y=26" target="_blank">LansingAltec</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他們拆分了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joy7658x348/push?y=26" target="_blank">joy7658x348</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: W大goog快400了欸嘿嘿</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/17 12:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hc20016/push?y=26" target="_blank">hc20016</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99卡蛙 看起來前景黯淡了</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/17 12:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AdamHuangNew/push?y=26" target="_blank">AdamHuangNew</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老是有人拿8299以為自己是KIOXIA SNDK</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/17 13:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GOOG還是很猛</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/17 13:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 航海還能靠運價 事件和爆賺的現金玩下去 記憶體只要</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/17 13:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單開始減 那就是超快速的人踩人 == 傳產雖爛 但資</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金門檻拉出來 大洪水衝下去 還不至於屍骨無存 甚至</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 活的滋潤畢竟都活這麼久了 啥沒看過 == 但記憶體就</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很難了 必死之局一出 除非有個富爸爸願意撐 不然可</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能洪水才剛開始就死透了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體 沒什麼擴廠 不至於慘</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/17 13:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LansingAltec/push?y=26" target="_blank">LansingAltec</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 運價 事件 現金？ 這三項哪項是記憶體沒有的</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/17 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nightop/push?y=26" target="_blank">nightop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 特別缺的只有用在顯卡上跟tpu的高速記憶體 其他的只</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/17 13:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nightop/push?y=26" target="_blank">nightop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是短暫需求大增</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LansingAltec/push?y=26" target="_blank">LansingAltec</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 更正一下我上面是指HBM 記憶體不夠精確</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/17 14:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 時間複雜度 空間複雜度 token消耗度 之類確實是議題</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/17 14:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資工人應該都會在意 不過在業界跟進當成KPI用</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就要小心是不是有效KPI 要是無效通常會有其他代價</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eknbz/push?y=26" target="_blank">eknbz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推 他們兩位說的都對</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/17 14:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eknbz/push?y=26" target="_blank">eknbz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也想等到消費型存儲降價 現在很貴無法升級</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eknbz/push?y=26" target="_blank">eknbz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: token當單位是方便行事啦 就像早年作家稿費算字數</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orz811017/push?y=26" target="_blank">orz811017</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我反而不覺得 狗家AI token dashboard，你稍微認真</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/17 15:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orz811017/push?y=26" target="_blank">orz811017</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用一下就可以衝到很前面，代表連大廠用量還不夠大</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orz811017/push?y=26" target="_blank">orz811017</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公司各種從債券市場借錢也看得出來，不夠還是不夠</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orz811017/push?y=26" target="_blank">orz811017</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雖然這個dashboard只讓我覺得 用了那麼多但沒什麼</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orz811017/push?y=26" target="_blank">orz811017</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 特別產出 我484應該優先資遣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GGLL團結</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/17 15:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a053971j/push?y=26" target="_blank">a053971j</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GGLL 一起 強大 ！！</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/17 15:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joygo/push?y=26" target="_blank">joygo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以才會漲價那麼多啊 沒人要增產</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/17 15:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shoo42/push?y=26" target="_blank">shoo42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以結論是記憶體該跑了嗎？ 先救我的群聯跟旺旺...</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/17 16:03</span></div> 記憶體不該跑, party 還能有一年兩年, 雖然這次像是航海王, 但是航海王受到疫情影響, 不是人為能決定, 這次記憶卡哇完全受到人為決定, 如果沒人增產, 如果AI token需求沒有改變, 如果算法跟架構沒有大改變, 如果沒有AI泡沫破裂或是有人放棄40%產能, 那會持續好幾年, 我說的這幾點不安定因素, 至少2026年不會發生 <span class="record">※ 編輯: waitrop (76.103.225.6 美國), 05/17/2026 16:10:01</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josh217/push?y=26" target="_blank">josh217</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 南亞科2026資本支出500億 算嗎</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/17 16:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolair/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolair</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天看大陸要把算力網當基建，這表示算力需求會越</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/17 16:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolair/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolair</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來越大，大陸擴產自己用都不夠</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Beretta/push?y=26" target="_blank">Beretta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 增產也要時間而且需求上升目前看不到盡頭</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/17 16:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Beretta/push?y=26" target="_blank">Beretta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: MU會續抱</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jack990568/push?y=26" target="_blank">jack990568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推 有道理</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/17 16:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/winner0429/push?y=26" target="_blank">winner0429</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 什麼a000000000? 教主的名諱是可以直接稱呼的嗎</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/17 17:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/forestsea722/push?y=26" target="_blank">forestsea722</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想弱弱請教，tsmx 還能繼續抱到2030嗎</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/17 17:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/forestsea722/push?y=26" target="_blank">forestsea722</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推推</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/17 18:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有沒有可能 大家覺得他是航運2.0的時候</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/17 18:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他就不是航運2.0了 然後突破航運那波的既有想像</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前台灣市場大概就是price in航運的歷史記憶</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後美國price in的是之前的commodity cyclicality</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之後如果發現不是這樣 大家就一聲&quot;幹&quot;繼續追進去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LansingAltec/push?y=26" target="_blank">LansingAltec</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在買進記憶體就是在賭 這次不一樣</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/17 19:20</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> a000000000. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3ZT 2026-05-17T02:37:59+08:00 2026-05-17T20:06:35+08:00

LDPC大這篇我有些地方hen不同意 不過不是針對個人 大家蕉流蕉流 先講記憶體好惹 整葛記憶體大缺貨跟agentic ai獲利模式確立有關 簡單講在這之前根本沒辦法預測ai能獲利 也不可能預測記憶體會大缺貨 我跟三大廠的人聊 他悶內部的能見度也就這兩年 因為沒人敢說兩年後會怎樣 只有客戶敢 但是客戶也敢兩手一攤賠錢跑掉 留下尼新廠蓋好養蚊子 hbm有沒有競爭對手 有R 之前老黃吞掉的groq跟最近上市的cerebras 這兩家都是sram 如果尼晶片互聯技術超強的話 理論上尼塞一堆sram去跟hbm搶某些應用場景 那4hen有機會der 而且sram速度快hen多 當然agentic時代是dram也缺爆 這4另一回事 至於早期hbm 我真的跟大家說 賠錢貨 做到死 最早就蘇媽那張vega三小的卡 我聽以前測試的同事說 hbm量率爛的跟大便一樣 跑不出本來目標的速度 規格降惹好幾遍 上市變笑話 三星海力士願意陪蘇媽走到這真的不容易惹 不忍苛責 另一部分看牙膏 牙膏的問題的根源 其實就14+++++ 或者說當年10nm搞不定 關鍵是10nm想一口氣把差距拉大結果技術激進良率崩壞 不然 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> a000000000 (比古A十郎)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [請益] 為什麼GG一直不做記憶體？<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 02:37:59 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span class="record">※ 引述《LDPC (Channel Coding)》之銘言：</span> <span class="quote">: 我覺得既要又要 通常都會自爆 歷史故事回頭看 走專一會活得比較好</span> <span class="quote">: 以一個公司為例 如果一個A業務賺大錢 同時間B業務賠錢 會發生什麼事情</span> <span class="quote">: 2020三星為例 三星家電跟手機大賺錢 記憶體賠錢 那時候三星記憶體高層整天被胖揍</span> <span class="quote">: 三星人事是這樣的 每年12月 EVP以上一年一度檢討績效 做不好直接走人</span> <span class="quote">: 那個2020記憶體冰河時期 半導體高層 記憶體那邊一年換一次 手機部門風風光光</span> <span class="quote">: 家電電視部門都因為Covid 特殊關係 work from home 大量刺激所有消費電腦手機產業</span> <span class="quote">: 而記憶體就是慘淡 想像一下 半導體高層只能高壓去揍基層 基層說要做HBM第四代</span> <span class="quote">: 三星半導體高層哪敢賭 隔壁部門賺大錢 自己部門大賠錢</span> <span class="quote">: 同個時間海力士CEO鼓勵員工犯錯 當海力士員工說 我們來攻頂吧 HBM第四代</span> <span class="quote">: 當時CEO 為了另找他路(他家就只有記憶體) 就all in攻頂HBM 還讓員工大量分紅股票</span> <span class="quote">: 後來故事大家都知道 海力士整個士氣大振 在不知道HBM4.0需求下 就把這技術幹出來</span> <span class="quote">: 在2020時間線 還發生台灣美光廠 前腳說we are family 後腳就裁員 整個士氣下降到底</span> <span class="quote">: 在2023看到記憶體HBM是主流 硬生生又自家DRAM技術去魔改成HBM第四代 台灣員工素質</span> <span class="quote">: 又很好 就硬生生殺回HBM時代 那是一個奇蹟</span> <span class="quote">: 回到現在 三星家電部門(DA) 電視部門 手機部門(DX)銷售慘淡 換這些高層被胖揍</span> <span class="quote">: 還史上第一次電視部門被移出三星電子集團 電視部門不在繼續投資 以後資源往半導體</span> <span class="quote">: 萬一哪天AI 新體驗又解鎖電視 家電 手機情況 那三星是不是又要回來繼續投資?</span> <span class="quote">: 既要又要 還有一個最大的公司當例子 i皇</span> <span class="quote">: 當年i皇如日中天 想做手機晶片 通訊晶片 IoT 半導體工廠 CPU GPU</span> <span class="quote">: 完全既要又要 解果勒 手機晶片沒人要用 IoT產業從來沒起來過 最後就開始拆組賣賣賣</span> <span class="quote">: 更別說早年i皇既要又要 第一次UWB晶片 拖台灣一起去死 第二次Wimax又拖台灣一起死</span> <span class="quote">: 第二次還拖了聯發科 資策會 工研院 大同少主還加碼去投資wimax基地站 後來全爆炸</span> <span class="quote">: 再回到2015 蘇媽找海力士去用HBM 放在電競顯卡上 慘澹賣 雖說有無限光景</span> <span class="quote">: 你如果是記憶體大老 那個時間點 你會作何想法?</span> <span class="quote">: 而老黃2015看到HBM新用法 第一個把HBM 第一代放入P100 然後親自開車去當P100 sales</span> <span class="quote">: 把p100 展現給開放愛請大家簽名</span> <span class="quote">: 從那時候GenAi開始有個起點 硬體開始能走算力暴力就是美的大時代 記憶卡哇那時候</span> <span class="quote">: 還不知道整個記憶體產業要開始因為GenAI 慢慢受益</span> <span class="quote">: 最關鍵大概就是2023</span> <span class="quote">: 而做AI產業從眾在2023看到記憶體體就是主流 所有AI 訓練模型 每天被記憶體限制</span> <span class="quote">: 被虐得不要不要 所有人 就算是雜魚科學家 都知道 記憶&lt;-&gt;算力等效互換時代要來了</span> <span class="quote">: 而台灣那時候記憶卡哇高層卻還沒看到</span> <span class="quote">: 這不是因為做產業的看不到 而是你有時候得跳出那個盒子去思考</span> <span class="quote">: 需求端有時候是在另一側 話說回來 台積2010-&gt;2020 自己也走過好幾次風風雨雨</span> <span class="quote">: 先進封裝很明顯是一個很重要分水嶺 那玩意比去跳去記憶體產業開其他戰場支線來得重要</span> <span class="quote">: 若沒先進封裝 台積電到現在就不可能置霸</span> <span class="quote">: 在另外一個世界線 比較合理 就是台廠某家記憶卡哇高層 走海力士路線 賭那個遙遠未來</span> <span class="quote">: 但台灣高層 呵呵 我...算了 那種說教態度 爹味濃度超高 就連在批踢踢</span> <span class="quote">: 某幾個號稱專家(估計年齡比我大) 說教爹味濃度超高 自稱AI專家 做到經理級</span> <span class="quote">: 卻常講的亂七八糟 你稍微提了一下你覺得對東西 還會被嗆</span> <span class="quote">: 我很懷疑創新跟賭未來這種路線能在台灣發芽</span> <span class="quote">: 這就是我雖然覺我自己是雜魚 但我很少tech版發文 太多爹味農愛說教 活在自己世界線</span> <span class="quote">: 老張我最喜歡點就是 除了夜鷹計畫 還有先進封裝 這種賭上未來技術路線</span> <span class="quote">: 在後來手機和AI產業有很好基石 這種有自己品味的預測 已經很少見了</span> <span class="quote">: 海力士這波分紅故事 太像西方做法 基本上已經搞到現代員工也要去罷工了</span> <span class="quote">: 我甚至懷疑CEO這波分紅深層涵義 就是用矽谷那一套 用吸引員工那一套 搞死其他家</span> <span class="quote">: 結論 台灣記憶卡哇就是記憶卡哇 不是AI卡哇:</span> LDPC大這篇我有些地方hen不同意 不過不是針對個人 大家蕉流蕉流 先講記憶體好惹 整葛記憶體大缺貨跟agentic ai獲利模式確立有關 簡單講在這之前根本沒辦法預測ai能獲利 也不可能預測記憶體會大缺貨 我跟三大廠的人聊 他悶內部的能見度也就這兩年 因為沒人敢說兩年後會怎樣 只有客戶敢 但是客戶也敢兩手一攤賠錢跑掉 留下尼新廠蓋好養蚊子 hbm有沒有競爭對手 有R 之前老黃吞掉的groq跟最近上市的cerebras 這兩家都是sram 如果尼晶片互聯技術超強的話 理論上尼塞一堆sram去跟hbm搶某些應用場景 那4hen有機會der 而且sram速度快hen多 當然agentic時代是dram也缺爆 這4另一回事 至於早期hbm 我真的跟大家說 賠錢貨 做到死 最早就蘇媽那張vega三小的卡 我聽以前測試的同事說 hbm量率爛的跟大便一樣 跑不出本來目標的速度 規格降惹好幾遍 上市變笑話 三星海力士願意陪蘇媽走到這真的不容易惹 不忍苛責 另一部分看牙膏 牙膏的問題的根源 其實就14+++++ 或者說當年10nm搞不定 關鍵是10nm想一口氣把差距拉大結果技術激進良率崩壞 不然策略上人家hen努力惹 剛好前幾天看到有人推文講我以前說的45 35 25 牙膏很早就知道光靠x86市場 沒辦法支撐先進製程研發成本 45=手機晶片 牙膏有做嗎 做惹 可惜最後失敗 跟阿婆合作 搞不起來 殘渣賣掉 35 25傳統都x86 不談 再往下是網卡 牙膏有做 不過網卡先進製程需求低 再往下顯卡 牙膏有 失敗兩次 但是加計內顯的話牙膏市佔算老大 另一葛先進製程晶片需求高的 是fpga 牙膏先自己養惹幾家養不起來 後來買惹altera 可惜經營鳥鳥der 再往前要挖還不少東西 例如wifi 牙膏也曾經很強 真的去看牙膏故事 我4會忍不住想喊大哥沒有輸 阿不過沒辦法 對手4猗窩座 手機晶片那塊 阿婆2019撿來自己搞 本來號稱2023還哪時會上 結果拖到2025 中間我只能說一堆雞毛包 阿婆晶片部門老實說已經4地表最強惹 人類極限惹 還做成這樣要死不活 牙膏那種正常人的水準還可以苟且多年 真der不忍苛責 講古4一回事喇 畢竟這4股票市場 事後理解跟事前預測還4有差der 簡單講94 尼叫我歐印記憶體 我不敢 真低不敢 甩盤多少次惹我不行惹 下禮拜眼看又是大烙賽預備 豪恐怖R 海豹附身惹 真低不行惹 年紀大惹覽趴軟惹 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 71.198.170.65 (美國)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: a000000000 2026-05-17 02:37:59</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778956681.A.F71.html" target="_blank">#1g2Bc9zn (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778956681.A.F71.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778956681.A.F71.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gladopo/push?y=26" target="_blank">gladopo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 頭推</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 02:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mamorui/push?y=26" target="_blank">mamorui</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟agentic ai獲利模式確立有關沒錯 而且時間點是去</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 02:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mamorui/push?y=26" 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class="ptt-push-content">: 覽趴的硬度完全沒辦法再負荷梭哈記憶體</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davie11333/push?y=26" target="_blank">davie11333</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 彥州99記憶卡蛙</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 02:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TK31/push?y=26" target="_blank">TK31</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: CBRS 有搞頭ㄇ</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 02:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ack0011/push?y=26" target="_blank">ack0011</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: intel還有SSD事業跟那個很厲害的3D XPOINT,沒想到</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 02:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ack0011/push?y=26" target="_blank">ack0011</a> 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class="ptt-push-content">: 有蒜粒需求就要有HBM 卡蛙不用太悲觀啦</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 03:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/facefear/push?y=26" target="_blank">facefear</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 03:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/David312/push?y=26" target="_blank">David312</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我想請問母豬教主，cerebras有機會贏過nvda嗎，看</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 03:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/David312/push?y=26" target="_blank">David312</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到幾個介紹說cerebras是把晶片搞到跟晶圓一樣大所以</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/David312/push?y=26" target="_blank">David312</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用切出晶粒，這良率要求超高吧，台積電搞不好也</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/David312/push?y=26" target="_blank">David312</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做不出來</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JIWP/push?y=26" target="_blank">JIWP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶卡蛙死定惹 完蛋惹</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 03:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: cerebras可以忍受defect 不會整片報廢</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 03:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙膏確實知道x86負擔不起未來先進製程成本 所以有去</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做代工 可是那時候還很秋條 當然是爛尾</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來這是A90大已經坐等看大戲了</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 03:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bibiman/push?y=26" target="_blank">bibiman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 文章能好好寫hen難嗎？</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 03:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RedLover1009/push?y=26" target="_blank">RedLover1009</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下一個問題就是GG為什麼不做愛</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 03:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/krkrjjjpp/push?y=26" target="_blank">krkrjjjpp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: G愛Joe</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 03:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Haerin520/push?y=26" target="_blank">Haerin520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕三小 記憶卡哇沒在怕的</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 04:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我勸你別小看記憶卡蛙</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 04:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herculus6502/push?y=26" target="_blank">herculus6502</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推教主</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 04:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luche/push?y=26" target="_blank">luche</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等各大廠記憶體擴廠完成後台積就會拿出記憶體產品</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/17 04:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NightMeow/push?y=26" target="_blank">NightMeow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只要agentic ai的需求在 記憶卡哇 永不滅 但是99卡</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 04:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NightMeow/push?y=26" target="_blank">NightMeow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哇</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/glen/push?y=26" target="_blank">glen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重點是下禮拜大烙賽預備 快逃啊</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 04:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝分享</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 04:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nicexd/push?y=26" target="_blank">nicexd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主一生推</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 05:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比較看好玻璃硬碟</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 06:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sm3489/push?y=26" target="_blank">sm3489</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明天台股大怒神</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 06:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ctes940008/push?y=26" target="_blank">ctes940008</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主出來玩</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 06:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大卡蛙 大烙賽 準備天天吃壽司 記得去公園吃</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 06:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chachabo/push?y=26" target="_blank">chachabo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: q.q我不要大烙屎，還在蘇媽船上啊啊啊啊</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 06:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamnook2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamnook2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵)你到底是沒苛責還是拐個彎罵爛</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 06:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dosiris/push?y=26" target="_blank">dosiris</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主難得這麼客氣</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 06:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳下去~~</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 06:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主爆料 年紀大惹覽趴軟惹~~~</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wen12305/push?y=26" target="_blank">wen12305</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 尼hen棒</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 07:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CORYCHAN/push?y=26" target="_blank">CORYCHAN</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 07:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勿笑教主軟蛋 這代表他控制行為&amp;情緒的能力成熟了</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 07:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 男生前額葉成熟的時間本來就比較慢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/weiwen8186/push?y=26" target="_blank">weiwen8186</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前在公司常聽到的“不忍苛責”</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 07:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主這種軟蛋是預防性的軟蛋 有年紀的會懂</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 07:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主這篇沒啥好噓的吧，不就幾乎以前早知的事</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 07:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年紀大惹覽趴軟q_q</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 07:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇講古很多都是以前在電蝦版講過的，重新講而已</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 07:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蘇媽第一代vega賭海力士HBM還被笑翻，這我都有印象</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Zending/push?y=26" target="_blank">Zending</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: &quot;尼hen&quot;式的行文風格真新鮮，閱讀起來要習慣一下</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 07:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: intel也是一堆人搞不清楚狀況</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 07:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他是製程不行，不是技術不行</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/weiwen8186/push?y=26" target="_blank">weiwen8186</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺起來是甩轎，喝了再上</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 07:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: sram也是.人家只是在消費市場死透，也不是完全消失</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 07:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/l85/push?y=26" target="_blank">l85</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難得教主認真講=.=</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 07:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/acidrain/push?y=26" target="_blank">acidrain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 英特爾技術從來沒有不行過 美國實驗室怎麼可能輸東</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 07:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/acidrain/push?y=26" target="_blank">acidrain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 方小島 問題一直都是量產製造需要聽話又耐操的人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Intel現在發論文還是很猛的，只是做不出來而已</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 07:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是偏偏研發在晶圓製造沒那麼重要，大家方向都差</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不多</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重點是你要做的出來，畢竟本質就是製造業</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積比較驚艷的是COUPE技術，竟然早早就卡好平台準</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 備收割</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joe2/push?y=26" target="_blank">joe2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主終於老了，不敢當賭狗了</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/17 07:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/weiwen8186/push?y=26" target="_blank">weiwen8186</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家買不起算力蛋不能沒有存儲</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/17 07:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jecint1707/push?y=26" target="_blank">jecint1707</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是海豹還是海獅</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/17 07:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bagaalo/push?y=26" target="_blank">bagaalo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主懶趴硬成這樣 下禮拜沒在怕的吧</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/17 07:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年紀大惹覽趴軟惹 然後呢 下面沒有惹??</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/17 07:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AdamHuangNew/push?y=26" target="_blank">AdamHuangNew</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有錢是你的事 好好講話很難嗎</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/17 07:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bbcer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bbcer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 文字風格明顯滿好玩的,很有特色</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 08:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/venusvirus/push?y=26" target="_blank">venusvirus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 離上次發文講記憶體才過一個星期，也差太多</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 08:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JWJerryyy/push?y=26" target="_blank">JWJerryyy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有趣</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/17 08:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peter98/push?y=26" target="_blank">peter98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重點是明牌呢?</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/17 08:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loking/push?y=26" target="_blank">loking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教出之前不是說買mu 馬上跑了喔</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/17 08:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/5fSOb96" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/5fSOb96.jpeg</a> 台積賣掉世界惹!</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/17 08:17</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="666" data-ori_h="800" style="width:666px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/5fSOb96h.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ck326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ck326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主現在已經沒辦法捏爆雞雞了</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/17 08:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eie818/push?y=26" target="_blank">eie818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Sieg 利士！ Sieg 利士！ Sieg 利士！</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/17 08:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Car1osCorrea/push?y=26" target="_blank">Car1osCorrea</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕爆.jpg</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/17 08:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pudge/push?y=26" target="_blank">pudge</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇怎麼突然還俗了</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/17 08:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pickchu22001/push?y=26" target="_blank">pickchu22001</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: SRAM 比較快沒錯,但體積比較大,也是廠商會考慮的點</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/17 08:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pickchu22001/push?y=26" target="_blank">pickchu22001</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有些公司考慮用比較慢的flash memory 單位密度高</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pickchu22001/push?y=26" target="_blank">pickchu22001</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來做AI應用</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azxswqa/push?y=26" target="_blank">azxswqa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來教主也喜歡蕉流</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/17 08:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝教主開示</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/17 08:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alonzohorse/push?y=26" target="_blank">alonzohorse</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結論記憶體崩</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/17 08:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 懶趴軟了是因為上次寫生太用力了吧</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/17 08:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Koogeal/push?y=26" target="_blank">Koogeal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大受震撼 = =</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/17 08:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TheWho/push?y=26" target="_blank">TheWho</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: QQ 覽趴軟了</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/17 09:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是比較喜歡教主戰蒙阿波</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/17 09:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k255033/push?y=26" target="_blank">k255033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮來！</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/17 09:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Undertaker07/push?y=26" target="_blank">Undertaker07</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 終究有軟的一天QQ</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/17 09:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k255033/push?y=26" target="_blank">k255033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推教主</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/17 09:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lpoijk/push?y=26" target="_blank">lpoijk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體頂多炒短 又不是穩定的 明年華爾街等不到ROI</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/17 09:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lpoijk/push?y=26" target="_blank">lpoijk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一抽資 全部都要一起死 還投資記憶體產線 瘋了逆</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/17 09:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講半天 重點是老惹 懶蛋軟惹</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/17 09:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cosmos506/push?y=26" target="_blank">cosmos506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 忘記寫生了嗎 看來可以all in 了</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/17 09:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買對 下大 抱緊</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/17 09:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ter2788/push?y=26" target="_blank">ter2788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 確實 記憶體廠為何不敢大規模擴產 不就是需求今天可</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/17 09:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ter2788/push?y=26" target="_blank">ter2788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以噴到天上 明天就可以給你跌成垃圾</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 積體光學20-30年了 才不是什麼早早卡位卡到等收割</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/17 09:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是那種蹲到有用才被追捧 蹲到沒用就是重演wimax UWB</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 各廠哪個不是存儲囤著各種專利武器庫放著等到有用</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包含台積以前也在囤MRAM RRAM 牙膏也有Ovonic</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那是不是等牙膏囤著的InP異質對接整合蹲到又輪他吹</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你做的出來良率高然後他告你一下收專利授權禁售</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andylu1207/push?y=26" target="_blank">andylu1207</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上次說完老ai=黃逼G=逼哀 結果這三隻就漲上去了XDD</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/17 09:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andylu1207/push?y=26" target="_blank">andylu1207</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後吹了MU AMD 結果沒漲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pp520/push?y=26" target="_blank">pp520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AMD 法說前教主有發文分析，結果也如預料大漲</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/17 09:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pp520/push?y=26" target="_blank">pp520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積電 MRAM 研發好幾年了，但知名度非常低</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dkfs789/push?y=26" target="_blank">dkfs789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/17 09:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aquablue/push?y=26" target="_blank">aquablue</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝教主分享</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/17 09:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: i皇的BK就整天在公司鬥爭及辦公室戀情，只有雲端運</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/17 09:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算方面還行，LG找i皇代工還跳票</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kgppra/push?y=26" target="_blank">kgppra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主上禮拜不是才加入記憶卡哇 這禮拜又脫離了嗎</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/17 09:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且i皇也是SRAM製造專家，如果SRAM真的重回未來主</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/17 09:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 流，那i皇肯定受惠，但SRAM比較貴了，不知會不會成</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有些武器就是跟剛出來的HBM+AMD還慘輸NV被笑死啊</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/17 09:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙膏的3D Xpoint出來也是被笑死 然後被封存繼續蹲著</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/qBFJg2Zs.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/qBFJg2Zs.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">136F 05/17 09:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝教主讓我薯條加大</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/qBFJg2Zs.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="534" data-ori_h="800" style="width:534px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_qBFJg2Zs.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主不是賣老黃轉進美光？又要賣美光了嗎？</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/17 09:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 薯條加大以後B區要選什麼讓我好痛苦,教主平常都過</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/17 09:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼痛苦的生活嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delightboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">delightboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來顆藍色小藥丸</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/17 09:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Shepherd1987/push?y=26" target="_blank">Shepherd1987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/17 10:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweertyui891/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweertyui891</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場需要好故事，教主這樣不行喔</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/17 10:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ymx3xc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ymx3xc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主安安</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/17 10:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/justhit666/push?y=26" target="_blank">justhit666</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一生捏一次懶趴就好 彥洲捏過amd了 剩下的給我們雜</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/17 10:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/justhit666/push?y=26" target="_blank">justhit666</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 魚韭菜捏就好qq</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sexybox/push?y=26" target="_blank">sexybox</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難得還看得懂</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/17 10:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EarlyInMay/push?y=26" target="_blank">EarlyInMay</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講了那麼多結果人生最後唯一留在世界上的 是台灣數</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/17 10:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EarlyInMay/push?y=26" target="_blank">EarlyInMay</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 位暴力史惡霸之名</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Shepherd1987/push?y=26" target="_blank">Shepherd1987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: SRAM 蘇媽疊這麼多年了, 技術應該很成熟</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/17 10:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kausan/push?y=26" target="_blank">kausan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99記憶卡蛙阿</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/17 10:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k798976869/push?y=26" target="_blank">k798976869</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI現在靠記憶體</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/17 10:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AMD哪裡沒有漲xd</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/17 10:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coke7/push?y=26" target="_blank">coke7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 尼hen棒~ 但年紀大了 軟的不只是雞雞</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/17 10:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要烤整片配sram,Intel來做可以虧到立武不賺錢</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/17 10:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在應該是SRAM和HBM都有各自應用空間啦 SRAM那麼貴</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/17 10:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很難大幅取代</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s1001326/push?y=26" target="_blank">s1001326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主上週才跟你美光 已經出掉了嗎？ 哭阿要死熱</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/17 10:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/overpolo/push?y=26" target="_blank">overpolo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在J個討論串不可能有人賣美光的吧...對嗎？</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/17 10:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主我不怕，記憶體照樣加碼</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/17 10:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Looming/push?y=26" target="_blank">Looming</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你快點回來宣教好嗎 每個台女都血鬼術點滿了</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/17 10:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kimheeche/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kimheeche</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看不懂自己研究啊低能</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/17 11:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tomdavis/push?y=26" target="_blank">tomdavis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 捏不下去了XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/17 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chachabo/push?y=26" target="_blank">chachabo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主繼續捏蘇媽！！！</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/17 11:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raku/push?y=26" target="_blank">raku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資產到一個地步就穩健操作就好</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/17 11:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nccumis/push?y=26" target="_blank">nccumis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主是賣逼轉美光 後來美光出到剩10% 又再轉進AMD和</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/17 11:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nccumis/push?y=26" target="_blank">nccumis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美光？黃一直嘴 倒沒說有賣喔 都是鄉民自己解讀要</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nccumis/push?y=26" target="_blank">nccumis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣黃</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/17 12:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Obov 有降低輝達持股</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 輝達算Ai 核心，多少佈局一點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gladopo/push?y=26" target="_blank">gladopo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主有說他老黃賣不少了，留一點紀念而已</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/17 12:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sustto/push?y=26" target="_blank">sustto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只剩谷谷魯跟GG惹 還有奈米老黃</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/17 12:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體這東西就沒啥技術門檻 要追也很好追</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/17 13:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當年被韓國紅海戰術搞過的就知道 都被搞到有陰影了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就那堆網軍在那邊洗說這東西跟GG一樣獨佔</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的有技術門檻能獨佔 那堆韓國人早就卯起來擴廠了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還在那邊搞東搞西 以量制價</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 炒作的東西是這樣 能炒多久我不知道 但我賺到我能穩</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺的就好 剩下就魚尾留給高手去吃</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 共三小很好追 你中國人吧 無視專利和禁售才好追</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/17 13:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tanted/push?y=26" target="_blank">tanted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 若沒技術門檻 為什麼台灣到現在連個DDR5都做不出來</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/17 13:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蛤? 台灣D5做不出來? 真ㄉ假ㄉ 是喔 唔喔喔ㄛ！</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/17 13:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1215000/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1215000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣D5只有一家牙科吧</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/17 13:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/felaray/push?y=26" target="_blank">felaray</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: VEGA當年真的很棒 只是太貴了QQ</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/17 13:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/felaray/push?y=26" target="_blank">felaray</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我說的是情懷很棒XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mytropicfish/push?y=26" target="_blank">mytropicfish</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主hen 棒</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/17 13:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamacomic/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamacomic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這文體看了就煩</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/17 13:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KY1998/push?y=26" target="_blank">KY1998</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下禮掰 大烙賽</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/17 13:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主之前賣了美光應該是轉進amd，後來說要再進美光</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/17 14:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 時的確沒說賣了什麼，但不可能賣amd去買美光吧，所</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以合理推測是賣舊AI老黃才有錢再進MU</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ljh109/push?y=26" target="_blank">ljh109</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 某樓是活在平行時空嗎？amd都漲多久了還再沒漲</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/17 15:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不歐硬 但會有多懶%硬 也是想知道</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/17 15:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是再也不會硬了 哭</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/meaa3/push?y=26" target="_blank">meaa3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主上週才跟你上車美光 ，已經出掉了嗎？ 哭阿</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/17 15:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sonyvaio/push?y=26" target="_blank">sonyvaio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來下週不妙</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/17 15:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fuless/push?y=26" target="_blank">fuless</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝分享</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/17 16:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MisterSmile/push?y=26" target="_blank">MisterSmile</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 尼尼尼的，字都打不好的中國人？</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/17 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s1001326/push?y=26" target="_blank">s1001326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上不怕我也跟車了哭阿 995教主</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/17 16:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/e44444/push?y=26" target="_blank">e44444</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推教主</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/17 17:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很多重點 筆記筆記 推</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/17 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LINPINPARK/push?y=26" target="_blank">LINPINPARK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕豹</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/17 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good10740/push?y=26" target="_blank">good10740</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒看到說饒命 應該丟了</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/17 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Yoimiya/push?y=26" target="_blank">Yoimiya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 阿伯已經沒有精液了</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/17 19:10</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> Rizzi. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3ZS 2026-05-17T01:07:18+08:00 2026-05-17T16:45:21+08:00

https://news.cnyes.com/news/id/6461054 伊朗、利率成市場最大風險！高盛：市場已透支2027年樂觀預期 | 鉅亨網 - 國際政經 高盛最新全球市場展望指出，市場正低估伊朗局勢再度升級的尾部風險，同時 AI 投資熱潮與能源短缺正推高資產估值與長端殖利率。報告警告，市場已提前反映 2027 年經濟樂觀前景，AI 資本支出與記憶體晶片熱潮雖持續推升科技股，但估值懸 ... 伊朗、利率成市場最大風險！高盛：市場已透支2027年樂觀預期 鉅亨網編譯莊閔棻 2026-05-16 16:51 隨著伊朗停火協議進展，全球風險資產迎來廣泛反彈，然而，高盛在 5 月 15 日發布的 全球市場展望報告中提出嚴正警告：這波漲勢潛藏「寬慰的代價」，市場對伊朗局勢重燃 的下行風險定價明顯不足，能源短缺疊加經濟韌性所帶來的債券殖利率上行壓力，同樣不 容輕忽。 高盛策略師 Dominic Wilson 與 Kamakshya Trivedi 在報告中指出，驅動本輪反彈的核 心邏輯是「稀缺性」，晶片記憶體與能源供應鏈的短缺，正大規模引導資本流向。南韓及 那斯達克等 AI 密集型市 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> Rizzi (Cartography)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 伊朗、利率成市場最大風險！高盛：市場已<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 01:07:18 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /><a href="https://news.cnyes.com/news/id/6461054" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://news.cnyes.com/news/id/6461054</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://news.cnyes.com/news/id/6461054" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>伊朗、利率成市場最大風險！高盛：市場已透支2027年樂觀預期 | 鉅亨網 - 國際政經</strong></a> 高盛最新全球市場展望指出，市場正低估伊朗局勢再度升級的尾部風險，同時 AI 投資熱潮與能源短缺正推高資產估值與長端殖利率。報告警告，市場已提前反映 2027 年經濟樂觀前景，AI 資本支出與記憶體晶片熱潮雖持續推升科技股，但估值懸 ...</div></div> </div> 伊朗、利率成市場最大風險！高盛：市場已透支2027年樂觀預期 鉅亨網編譯莊閔棻 2026-05-16 16:51 <div class="combine-lines">隨著伊朗停火協議進展，全球風險資產迎來廣泛反彈，然而，高盛在 5 月 15 日發布的 全球市場展望報告中提出嚴正警告：這波漲勢潛藏「寬慰的代價」，市場對伊朗局勢重燃 的下行風險定價明顯不足，能源短缺疊加經濟韌性所帶來的債券殖利率上行壓力，同樣不 容輕忽。</div> <div class="combine-lines">高盛策略師 Dominic Wilson 與 Kamakshya Trivedi 在報告中指出，驅動本輪反彈的核 心邏輯是「稀缺性」，晶片記憶體與能源供應鏈的短缺，正大規模引導資本流向。南韓及 那斯達克等 AI 密集型市場率先突破戰前高點。</div> 就增長定價而言，高盛估計市場對美國經濟成長的隱含預期已達 2.5%，與該行對 2027 年的成長預測持平，甚至可能已出現超調。 報告指出，從股票與債券的連動變化來看，市場已「透支」短期內的經濟疲軟，直接跳望 2027 年的更佳展望，整體訊號顯示市場充分「向前看」的特徵明顯。 伊朗再升級：被低估的最大下行尾部風險 然而，高盛明確點出，當前市場已基於「深度尾部風險得以規避」的假設充分定價，但更 不利結果的概率依然真實存在，且遭到市場系統性低估。 報告警告，市場存在一個循環困境：投資人目前傾向忽視臨時性干擾，但恰恰可能需要新 一輪市場恐慌，才能推動各方達成協議、讓石油運輸重新恢復正常流動。 在沒有明確和平協議以及荷姆茲海峽可信重開的前提下，隨時間推進，能源產品短缺將愈 發明顯，市場被迫重新面對這一風險的概率也將隨之攀升。 在避險策略上，高盛建議將股票多頭與長期限標普 500 指數波動率多頭相搭配；歐洲股 票、信用及外匯的價外賣權，在跨資產比較中仍具最佳性價比。 <div class="combine-lines">此外，儘管石油多頭具一定保護性作用，但在危機全面解除的情境下同樣面臨反向風險。 AI 資本支出破頂，估值懸空風險悄然積累</div> AI 主題以強勁姿態重返市場核心。高盛數據顯示，科技投資支出佔 GDP 比例已超越 1990 年代末的歷史峰值。 第一季財報季期間，超大規模雲端服務商 2026 年資本支出的市場一致預期，已從 6,730 億美元上修至 7,550 億美元；2027 年預期亦從 7,900 億美元跳升至 8,900 億 美元。半導體及記憶體領域短缺尤為突出，相關企業獲利預測隨之大幅上修。 <div class="combine-lines">值得注意的是，報告同時點出兩類潛在認知謬誤：一是「聚合謬誤」，即市場假設個股贏 家數量超出整體經濟實際可承載的上限；二是「外推謬誤」，即假設由投資熱潮本身支撐 的獲利具有可持續性。</div> 高盛警示，只要獲利與支出計畫持續超預期，AI 板塊仍有上行動能，但市場正在積累估 值懸空，最終將不可避免地面臨消化壓力。 降息窗口加速收窄，長端殖利率下行受限 在利率前景上，高盛指出，荷姆茲海峽仍處封鎖、能源價格高企、增長維持韌性、通膨數 據開始走高的當前格局下，前端利率存在重測乃至突破前高的可能性。 相較年初偏鴿的基準預測，高盛現預期全球多數已開發市場及新興市場的降息次數將減少 ，甚至完全取消。 該行認為，美國加息門檻依然極高，但持續的通膨壓力疊加勞動市場未出現明顯惡化，同 樣使得寬鬆政策的落實更加困難。 高盛明確表示，2026 年的降息時間窗口正在快速收窄。 <div class="combine-lines">長端方面，英國與日本期限溢價的上行已將長期利率一併拖高。即便伊朗局勢獲得解決， 國防、能源安全等財政支出及 AI 基礎設施的持續私人投資，仍將制約長端殖利率的下行 空間。</div> 波動率結構性抬升，指數層面反應尚不充分 高盛維持其 2026 年核心判斷：長期限股票隱含波動率將結構性上行。 去年 9 月以來，標普 500 長期限隱含波動率雖已明顯上漂，但個股平均隱含波動率以及 韓國等集中型指數的波動率上升幅度更大、更為持久，與寬基指數層面形成明顯分化。 <div class="combine-lines">高盛認為，這一分化部分源於市場更聚焦 AI 主題內部贏家與輸家之間的「分配性波動」 ，而非總量價值層面的「宏觀性波動」，導致個股相關性降至歷史低位，限制了寬基指數 波動率的上行幅度。</div> <div class="combine-lines">該行仍建議投資人採取「股票多頭搭配長天期標普 500 波動率部位」的策略組合，並持 續留意各類資產波動率回落時所出現的布局機會，藉此在保有股市續漲潛在收益的同時， 也能有效控制市場下跌所帶來的風險。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 算是中性稍偏空的新聞, 高盛準不準不知道, 但美股一直有居高思危的聲音 台股則幾乎是一片樂觀, 全面看多的氣氛, 反而感覺有點恐怖... <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.240.161.23 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: Rizzi 2026-05-17 01:07:18</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778951245.A.6E3.html" target="_blank">#1g2AHDRZ (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778951245.A.6E3.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778951245.A.6E3.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <span class="record">※ 編輯: Rizzi (123.240.161.23 臺灣), 05/17/2026 01:08:15</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗蛙：壽司吧多蛙</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 01:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2027？ 不是已經在定價2028了嗎？</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 01:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我看已經有些小說家在討論2029-2030</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣股神都說五月五萬六月六萬 高盛懂個雞巴呢?</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 01:14</span></div> <div 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我只相信10年期美債殖利率透露的訊息。</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 01:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okderla/push?y=26" target="_blank">okderla</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我已經把載板的前瞻本益比算到2030年了</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 01:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說要算前瞻PE的是你們 說透支的也是你們 7414</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 01:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuen1029/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuen1029</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是都可能再次開打了 這篇已經在以停戰協議為基點</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 01:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuen1029/push?y=26" 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href="/ptt/user/r825324/push?y=26" target="_blank">r825324</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股不知道跌的感覺 可以來一波大的嗎</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/17 01:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ma721/push?y=26" target="_blank">ma721</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKluhZa5rv4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKluhZa5rv4</a></span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 02:18</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/aKluhZa5rv4?autohide=1&"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/aKluhZa5rv4/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/phoenixtwo/push?y=26" target="_blank">phoenixtwo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等高盛樂觀再賣</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 02:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s1612316/push?y=26" target="_blank">s1612316</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 匯市股市債市 至少一個要死 但我分析不出來 有答案</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 02:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s1612316/push?y=26" target="_blank">s1612316</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/drraujn/push?y=26" target="_blank">drraujn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都是連動的 債市一噴 美元走強匯市就爆 匯市爆開</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 02:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/drraujn/push?y=26" target="_blank">drraujn</a> </span></span><span 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class="push-right">37F 05/17 08:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karcher/push?y=26" target="_blank">karcher</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去年12月台股無視軍演繼續漲，今年3,4月也無視中東</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 08:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karcher/push?y=26" target="_blank">karcher</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能源危機也是爆噴，給人有種一往無回的堅定感。相</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karcher/push?y=26" target="_blank">karcher</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信川習會結束後，股價依舊無視一切，不知道能不能</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karcher/push?y=26" target="_blank">karcher</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 達成上看60000點的目標</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span 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target="_blank">serpei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 網上60,000點往下200點 歐印做多</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 13:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Smilingface/push?y=26" target="_blank">Smilingface</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 流動性最差的會先爆</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 13:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 抄底抄底 股市是未來啊</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rmp4rmp4bear/push?y=26" target="_blank">rmp4rmp4bear</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲跌都華西街再說 信他們的一定是韭菜</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 14:17</span></div> <div 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輝達股價還可能再漲50%？多頭細數這些理由 2026-05-16 22:34 經濟日報／ 編譯黃淑玲／綜合外電 輝達（NVIDIA）預期今年能夠獲利1,900億美元，這個水準將打破沙烏地阿拉伯國家石油 公司（Saudi Aramco）在2022年保持的1,600億美元紀錄。輝達這家目前市值已達5兆美元 的公司，股價現在是竟然還算是便宜的，巴隆周刊副總編輯魯特撰文指出，輝達股價或許 仍有機會再漲50%，因為它正朝市值8兆美元邁進。 輝達股價15日收盤跌4.42%，報225.32美元。以未來12個月的獲利來算，預期本益比只有 24倍。與公司歷史估值相比，折價達25%。再跟費城半導體指數成分股比較，估值低了5% ，然而像輝達這樣的高成長、市場領導者的公司，過去通常應該是享有40%的溢價。 輝達變「便宜」，主要是2025年初以來，輝達股價的表現落後費半超過70個百分點。市場 突然忘記了輝達，轉而瘋狂追捧中央處理器（CPU）、記憶體，以及像Google的張量處理 器（TPU）這類特殊用途晶片。 魯特說，買進輝達股票的論點很簡單，投資人真的只需要相信一件事，那就是：AI運算的 黃金時代，還沒達到最 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> BlueBird5566 (賴粉-青鳥56)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 輝達股價還可能再漲50%？多頭細數這些理<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 00:52:35 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 輝達股價還可能再漲50%？多頭細數這些理由 2026-05-16 22:34 經濟日報／ 編譯黃淑玲／綜合外電 <div class="combine-lines">輝達（NVIDIA）預期今年能夠獲利1,900億美元，這個水準將打破沙烏地阿拉伯國家石油 公司（Saudi Aramco）在2022年保持的1,600億美元紀錄。輝達這家目前市值已達5兆美元 的公司，股價現在是竟然還算是便宜的，巴隆周刊副總編輯魯特撰文指出，<span style="color:#008080">輝達股價或許</span> <span style="color:#008080">仍有機會</span><span style="color:#F00000">再漲50%</span>，因為它正朝市值8兆美元邁進。</div> <div class="combine-lines">輝達股價15日收盤跌4.42%，報225.32美元。以未來12個月的獲利來算，預期本益比只有 24倍。與公司歷史估值相比，折價達25%。再跟費城半導體指數成分股比較，估值低了5% ，然而像輝達這樣的高成長、市場領導者的公司，過去通常應該是享有40%的溢價。</div> <div class="combine-lines">輝達變「便宜」，主要是2025年初以來，輝達股價的表現落後費半超過70個百分點。市場 突然忘記了輝達，轉而瘋狂追捧中央處理器（CPU）、記憶體，以及像Google的張量處理 器（TPU）這類特殊用途晶片。</div> 魯特說，買進輝達股票的論點很簡單，投資人真的只需要相信一件事，那就是：<span style="color:#F0F000">AI運算的</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">黃金時代，還沒達到最高潮</span>。有不少理由這個論點。 首先看看半導體供應鏈眾多公司的財報，都在跟投資人說，現在仍處於AI基礎建設的早期 階段。再看AI應用，確實尚未普及。 <div class="combine-lines">方舟投資管理（ARK Investment Management）首席未來學家溫頓表示，目前只有20%的智 慧手機使用者曾在手機上使用代理AI的應用程式。不過這個比率有望在三年內將逼近100% 。如果比喻較網際網路路泡沫時代，2026年其實更像1996年，而不是1999年。</div> 市場大咖的投入，是另一個重要指標。AI軍備競賽仍在升級。四大超大型雲端業者（ <div class="combine-lines">hyperscalers）：亞馬遜（Amazon）、微軟（Microsoft）、Google、Meta，預期今年將 投入近7,000億美元布建AI業務。市場今年初原本預估他們會投資的金額是5,000億美元。 </div> <div class="combine-lines">投資人會質疑這些科技巨頭如何負擔這麼龐大的資本支出，是合理的。然而答案是：很容 易。這幾家公司只需把大量的營運現金流投入資料中心的建設，今年依舊可以維持自由現 金流為正。因為這四大公司的EBITDA（稅息折舊攤提前獲利）合計約達8,000億美元，而 且資產負債表也非常健康，幾乎沒有淨負債。</div> <div class="combine-lines">至於輝達股價可能漲到哪裡？目前分析師平均目標價為270美元，比15日收盤價高約20%。 魯特認為，這樣的目標價偏保守。以其他半導體股票平均26倍本益比的水準來看，<span style="color:#F0F000">輝達股</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">價就應該有290美元，若回到其歷史上相對於半導體產業的溢價水準，股價甚至可達390美</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">元。</span></div> 當然，風險仍然存在。市場對AI泡沫會爆掉的擔憂始終揮之不去。這由Google上「AI bubble」（AI 泡沫）搜尋量年增約400%，並曾於去年11月達到高峰，可見一斑。 <div class="combine-lines">另外，輝達獲利前景幾乎不容失誤。過去三季，輝達營收平均超出市場預期約3%，「不如 預期」顯然不能出現。市場也一直擔心輝達的GPU市占，可能被其他晶片搶走。不過魯特 看輝達的領先程度，認為這些威脅仍相當遙遠。</div> <a href="https://udn.com/news/story/6811/9507287" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://udn.com/news/story/6811/9507287</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://udn.com/news/story/6811/9507287" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>輝達股價還可能再漲50%？多頭細數這些理由 | 全球財經 | 全球 | 聯合新聞網</strong></a> <a href="https://udn.com/news/story/6811/9507287" target="_blank" class="img" 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src="https://i.mopix.cc/1UKmph.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Feting/push?y=26" target="_blank">Feting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才50%大家看不上眼，要一個月翻3倍才夠</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 01:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好!!!</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 01:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/v21638245/push?y=26" target="_blank">v21638245</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看推文我就放心了</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 01:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Skycrane/push?y=26" target="_blank">Skycrane</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 該跑了</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 01:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/OCxEWo.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/OCxEWo.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 01:25</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="600" data-ori_h="481" style="width:600px;height:481px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/OCxEWo.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出貨文</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 01:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ 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02:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 曹操：不可能！絕對不可能！！</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 02:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/carkyoing/push?y=26" target="_blank">carkyoing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普：不是喔，不是這樣子喔</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 03:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fantasyscure/push?y=26" target="_blank">fantasyscure</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國不買不是早就知道的事？哪門子的利空</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 03:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aewul/push?y=26" target="_blank">aewul</a> </span></span><span 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class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zeroxxx4016/push?y=26" target="_blank">zeroxxx4016</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 噴！</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 13:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 標題加上問號的新聞，基本上大多是垃圾內容</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 16:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AUwalker/push?y=26" target="_blank">AUwalker</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這半年都不怎麼漲的現在大家高檔震盪跟我講之後會漲</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 17:46</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> LDPC. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3ZP 2026-05-17T00:50:50+08:00 2026-05-17T18:54:32+08:00

我覺得既要又要 通常都會自爆 歷史故事回頭看 走專一會活得比較好 以一個公司為例 如果一個A業務賺大錢 同時間B業務賠錢 會發生什麼事情 2020三星為例 三星家電跟手機大賺錢 記憶體賠錢 那時候三星記憶體高層整天被胖揍 三星人事是這樣的 每年12月 EVP以上一年一度檢討績效 做不好直接走人 那個2020記憶體冰河時期 半導體高層 記憶體那邊一年換一次 手機部門風風光光 家電電視部門都因為Covid 特殊關係 work from home 大量刺激所有消費電腦手機產業 而記憶體就是慘淡 想像一下 半導體高層只能高壓去揍基層 基層說要做HBM第四代 三星半導體高層哪敢賭 隔壁部門賺大錢 自己部門大賠錢 同個時間海力士CEO鼓勵員工犯錯 當海力士員工說 我們來攻頂吧 HBM第四代 當時CEO 為了另找他路(他家就只有記憶體) 就all in攻頂HBM 還讓員工大量分紅股票 後來故事大家都知道 海力士整個士氣大振 在不知道HBM4.0需求下 就把這技術幹出來 在2020時間線 還發生台灣美光廠 前腳說we are family 後腳就裁員 整個士氣下降到底 在2023看到記憶體HBM是主流 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> LDPC (Channel Coding)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [請益] 為什麼GG一直不做記憶體？<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sun May 17 00:50:50 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 我覺得既要又要 通常都會自爆 歷史故事回頭看 走專一會活得比較好 以一個公司為例 如果一個A業務賺大錢 同時間B業務賠錢 會發生什麼事情 2020三星為例 三星家電跟手機大賺錢 記憶體賠錢 那時候三星記憶體高層整天被胖揍 三星人事是這樣的 每年12月 EVP以上一年一度檢討績效 做不好直接走人 那個2020記憶體冰河時期 半導體高層 記憶體那邊一年換一次 手機部門風風光光 家電電視部門都因為Covid 特殊關係 work from home 大量刺激所有消費電腦手機產業 而記憶體就是慘淡 想像一下 半導體高層只能高壓去揍基層 基層說要做HBM第四代 三星半導體高層哪敢賭 隔壁部門賺大錢 自己部門大賠錢 同個時間海力士CEO鼓勵員工犯錯 當海力士員工說 我們來攻頂吧 HBM第四代 <div class="combine-lines">當時CEO 為了另找他路(他家就只有記憶體) 就all in攻頂HBM 還讓員工大量分紅股票 後來故事大家都知道 海力士整個士氣大振 在不知道HBM4.0需求下 就把這技術幹出來</div> 在2020時間線 還發生台灣美光廠 前腳說we are family 後腳就裁員 整個士氣下降到底 在2023看到記憶體HBM是主流 硬生生又自家DRAM技術去魔改成HBM第四代 台灣員工素質 又很好 就硬生生殺回HBM時代 那是一個奇蹟 回到現在 三星家電部門(DA) 電視部門 手機部門(DX)銷售慘淡 換這些高層被胖揍 還史上第一次電視部門被移出三星電子集團 電視部門不在繼續投資 以後資源往半導體 萬一哪天AI 新體驗又解鎖電視 家電 手機情況 那三星是不是又要回來繼續投資? 既要又要 還有一個最大的公司當例子 i皇 當年i皇如日中天 想做手機晶片 通訊晶片 IoT 半導體工廠 CPU GPU <div class="combine-lines">完全既要又要 解果勒 手機晶片沒人要用 IoT產業從來沒起來過 最後就開始拆組賣賣賣 更別說早年i皇既要又要 第一次UWB晶片 拖台灣一起去死 第二次Wimax又拖台灣一起死 第二次還拖了聯發科 資策會 工研院 大同少主還加碼去投資wimax基地站 後來全爆炸 再回到2015 蘇媽找海力士去用HBM 放在電競顯卡上 慘澹賣 雖說有無限光景</div> 你如果是記憶體大老 那個時間點 你會作何想法? 而老黃2015看到HBM新用法 第一個把HBM 第一代放入P100 然後親自開車去當P100 sales 把p100 展現給開放愛請大家簽名 從那時候GenAi開始有個起點 硬體開始能走算力暴力就是美的大時代 記憶卡哇那時候 還不知道整個記憶體產業要開始因為GenAI 慢慢受益 最關鍵大概就是2023 而做AI產業從眾在2023看到記憶體體就是主流 所有AI 訓練模型 每天被記憶體限制 被虐得不要不要 所有人 就算是雜魚科學家 都知道 記憶&lt;-&gt;算力等效互換時代要來了 而台灣那時候記憶卡哇高層卻還沒看到 這不是因為做產業的看不到 而是你有時候得跳出那個盒子去思考 需求端有時候是在另一側 話說回來 台積2010-&gt;2020 自己也走過好幾次風風雨雨 <div class="combine-lines">先進封裝很明顯是一個很重要分水嶺 那玩意比去跳去記憶體產業開其他戰場支線來得重要 若沒先進封裝 台積電到現在就不可能置霸</div> <div class="combine-lines">在另外一個世界線 比較合理 就是台廠某家記憶卡哇高層 走海力士路線 賭那個遙遠未來 但台灣高層 呵呵 我...算了 那種說教態度 爹味濃度超高 就連在批踢踢</div> 某幾個號稱專家(估計年齡比我大) 說教爹味濃度超高 自稱AI專家 做到經理級 卻常講的亂七八糟 你稍微提了一下你覺得對東西 還會被嗆 我很懷疑創新跟賭未來這種路線能在台灣發芽 <div class="combine-lines">這就是我雖然覺我自己是雜魚 但我很少tech版發文 太多爹味農愛說教 活在自己世界線 老張我最喜歡點就是 除了夜鷹計畫 還有先進封裝 這種賭上未來技術路線</div> 在後來手機和AI產業有很好基石 這種有自己品味的預測 已經很少見了 海力士這波分紅故事 太像西方做法 基本上已經搞到現代員工也要去罷工了 我甚至懷疑CEO這波分紅深層涵義 就是用矽谷那一套 用吸引員工那一套 搞死其他家 結論 台灣記憶卡哇就是記憶卡哇 不是AI卡哇 <span class="record">※ 引述《b122771 (伊普西隆級鄉民)》之銘言：</span> <span class="quote">: : 長久以來三星靠著記憶體本業支援發展邏輯代工</span> <span class="quote">: : 三星一直沒放棄晶圓代工這塊，像這波大爆賺又有大把銀彈可以投入</span> <span class="quote">: : 就算短期內追不上GG，只要記憶體本業還在就能一直續命撐著</span> <span class="quote">: : 不用像台積要需要一直維持頂尖的製程</span> <span class="quote">: : 台積就算怎麼領先三星的晶圓代工，沒有殺到三星的記憶體業務，三星都能無限復活</span> <span class="quote">: : 那台積為什麼不推自己的記憶體呢？趁現在先進封裝向客戶推把邏輯跟自己的記憶體封在一起的解決方案</span> <span class="quote">: : 記得台積發展MRAM的新聞也很久了，到現在還是沒辦法導入市場嗎？</span> <span class="quote">: : -----</span> <span class="quote">: 推文很多人都提到重點了—去看張忠謀自傳，</span> <span class="quote">: 記憶體那一塊其實寫得蠻多篇幅。</span> <span class="quote">: 我大概整理一下自己印象中的內容（漏掉很多細節）。</span> <span class="quote">: 大概是在 1980～1990 年代那段時間。</span> <span class="quote">: 施振榮做 PC 產業，而 PC 最吃的零組件之一就是 DRAM。</span> <span class="quote">: 張忠謀在自傳裡有提到，施振榮當年認為，如果記憶體能自己做，</span> <span class="quote">: 不但供貨能掌握，成本也能壓低，所以後來決定跨進 DRAM。</span> <span class="quote">: 1989 年，施振榮與 TI合資成立德碁半導體。</span> <span class="quote">: 張忠謀在自傳裡提到一段事情。</span> <span class="quote">: 當年施振榮準備投入 DRAM 時，三星那邊其實已經收到消息。</span> <span class="quote">: 李健熙當時人在台北市，</span> <span class="quote">: 李健熙曾與張忠謀、施振榮碰面交流過，也邀請他們去韓國參觀三星的 DRAM 廠。</span> <span class="quote">: 那時三星的記憶體工廠其實已經蓋得很完整，設備也都到位了。</span> <span class="quote">: 張忠謀參觀後，對三星的規模印象很深。</span> <span class="quote">: 李健熙當時提出的想法是：</span> <span class="quote">: 「台灣與韓國一起合作，一起把記憶體市場做大，對雙方都有利。」</span> <span class="quote">: 但後來台灣這邊並沒有與三星往合作方向走。</span> <span class="quote">: 之後德碁也碰到幾個很現實的問題：</span> <span class="quote">: 1.核心技術還是掌握在 TI 手上</span> <span class="quote">: 2.DRAM 景氣循環太劇烈</span> <span class="quote">: 3.規模不夠大</span> <span class="quote">: 從這段過程中也可以看出來，當時台灣方面本身就沒有強烈意願與韓國合作。</span> <span class="quote">: 選擇自幹..</span> <span class="quote">: 然而在事後，</span> <span class="quote">: 卻又不斷將記憶體市場被韓國廠商全面吃下來的結果，歸咎於對方的競爭行為，</span> <span class="quote">: 這樣的對照多少顯得有些矛盾。</span> <span class="quote">: 從今天回頭看，反而會覺得李健熙在整體布局上的胸襟與包容度更大，</span> <span class="quote">: 對產業發展的眼光也放得更遠，不只著眼於短期得失，而是願意承擔風險、提前押注未來方向。</span> <span class="quote">: 1999 年，德碁半導體最後賣給台積電。</span> <span class="quote">: 但台積電買下來後，不是繼續做 DRAM，而是把產能轉成晶圓代工。</span> <span class="quote">: ..........</span> <span class="quote">: 上述其實沒辦法完整呈現書裡真正想表達的內容，</span> <span class="quote">: 中間省略跟壓縮掉太多細節了，多少會有失真。</span> <span class="quote">: 還是建議直接去看作者本人寫的自傳，內容會完整很多，也比較能理解當時的時代背景與決策脈絡。</span> <span class="quote">: 台積電籌資那段往事</span> <span class="quote">: 當初張忠謀在籌資的時候，其實過程相當不順利。那個年代大家對晶圓代工這種模式完全</span> <span class="quote">: 沒概念，台塑一開始根本完全不想碰。</span> <span class="quote">: 後來俞國華有跟張忠謀說過，</span> <span class="quote">: 台塑是當時台灣最大的民營企業，如果連台塑都不願意投資，那其他民間企業多半也不會跟進。</span> <span class="quote">: 台灣企業自己都不想投，更別想吸引外資投。</span> <span class="quote">: 後來是靠俞國華他們一行人出面協助斡旋、說服，台塑才勉強參與投資。</span> <span class="quote">: 股票點：</span> <span class="quote">: 不過等到台積電真的做出成績、站穩腳步之後，</span> <span class="quote">: 台塑也很快就把持股全部賣光了。</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 98.37.67.135 (美國)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: LDPC 2026-05-17 00:50:50</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778950252.A.ED1.html" target="_blank">#1g2A1ixH (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778950252.A.ED1.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778950252.A.ED1.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pleasedont/push?y=26" target="_blank">pleasedont</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來美光做出HBM跟台灣這邊的廠有關喔 第一次知道</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/17 00:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以說爆錘旺宏跟上了沒？</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/17 01:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說了一個月了！我都賺3萬了！</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: LDPC (98.37.67.135 美國), 05/17/2026 01:04:13</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davie11333/push?y=26" target="_blank">davie11333</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 糞光有夠噁心</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/17 01:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pleasedont/push?y=26" target="_blank">pleasedont</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結論還是成者為王敗者為寇！賭對了 風光了 就可以</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/17 01:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pleasedont/push?y=26" target="_blank">pleasedont</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一直吹到早知道</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: LDPC (98.37.67.135 美國), 05/17/2026 01:05:40</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也不是沒有企業技術多點開花成功過，都是運氣運氣</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/17 01:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也各有優缺點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssarc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssarc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都馬是成功後再事後諸葛「我早就知道」</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 01:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不管啦！禮拜一爆錘旺宏！</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 01:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別人的卡蛙是AI卡蛙 我們的卡蛙是…</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 01:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eknbz/push?y=26" target="_blank">eknbz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 運氣運氣</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 01:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Feting/push?y=26" target="_blank">Feting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 狗是狗 邊牧是邊牧</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 01:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devilsabre/push?y=26" target="_blank">devilsabre</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 01:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1379/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1379</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要是三星跟海力士來台設廠...大概就無敵了</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/17 01:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1379/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1379</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 泡菜研發+台勞奴性 怎麼輸</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1379/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1379</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 話說某光的風評好像從那次裁員後就再也回不來了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1379/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1379</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在台灣想擴廠結果招不到人XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 廢話 美光招人跟約聘一樣，薪水也沒多高</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 01:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傻子才過去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不會招不到人，只是名聲被gg拉開</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 01:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davie11333/push?y=26" target="_blank">davie11333</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: $給多一點就招的到人惹R</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 01:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但有規模的工廠缺比他好的也很少</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/17 01:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ariadne/push?y=26" target="_blank">ariadne</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被i皇坑的多著 當年做代工害最少6家大廠開天窗</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/17 01:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錢給多只能找得到OP啦，工程師沒那生命跟你這樣玩…</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 01:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連矽品都敢笑美光你就知道q_q</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 裡面還一堆女生，整天搞類似DEI的政策，滿手進去受</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 罪嗎？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出差也不會給費用，你薪水記得還要扣油錢喔</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jaykill/push?y=26" target="_blank">jaykill</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用過全球一動 Wimax那段有印象</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 01:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長期這樣搞素質會差很多，軍心渙散遲早跟假G一樣</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 01:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拼研發沒這麼好拼 1 看主管 2 老闆 海力士是少數特</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 01:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 例</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RedLotus/push?y=26" target="_blank">RedLotus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那yamaha這種亂點技能樹的怎麼算？</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 01:37</span></div> @@日本是特例 不過現在這種speed is moat (矽谷最新口號) 我很懷疑這種做法 現在矽谷通常都是這樣 公司A業務賺大錢 拿錢去投資自己喜歡B業務的新創 然後後期再把新創買入 併回自家公司 為了有牛奶 自己去養牛 開創B業務 已經很少見 結論 亂點技能樹 會變成新創跟大公司合併的未來走向 而不是要吃雞蛋 就去養雞 <span class="record">※ 編輯: LDPC (98.37.67.135 美國), 05/17/2026 01:40:34</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a000000000/push?y=26" target="_blank">a000000000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那葛大大尼這篇半導體發展史的我其實不同意尼講的捏</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 01:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a000000000/push?y=26" target="_blank">a000000000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該說有些地方不同意</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a000000000/push?y=26" target="_blank">a000000000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體噴發到現在半年多一年不到</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a000000000/push?y=26" target="_blank">a000000000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 尼要人家退回三五年前去預測半導體噴發根本超難der</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a000000000/push?y=26" target="_blank">a000000000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙膏的話尼不能只看人家爛掉的 網卡跟wifi人家成功</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a000000000/push?y=26" target="_blank">a000000000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過 這種不好說</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pp520/push?y=26" target="_blank">pp520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主好久沒開示了，通膨會不會影響很大</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 01:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xerioc5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">xerioc5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等教主開示一篇</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 01:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 摩里斯是最早發現摩爾定律沒辦法持續的人，但i皇的B</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 01:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: K對此視而不見</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但後面接班的swan竟然想做出放棄FAB的決策，而現在P</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: G堅持的晶圓代工路線終於開花結果</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greedypeople/push?y=26" target="_blank">greedypeople</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 話說教主近幾年看最不準的好像就是當年曾一戰封神的</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 02:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greedypeople/push?y=26" target="_blank">greedypeople</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AMD.....</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greedypeople/push?y=26" target="_blank">greedypeople</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是說大概也沒人猜得到AGENT AI 讓CPU突然回春</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gladopo/push?y=26" target="_blank">gladopo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主有回鍋AMD，也沒到看不準啊，比較沒節操而已</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 02:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教主的確看錯蘇媽只是看風向不對又回頭找蘇媽</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 02:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ksjr/push?y=26" target="_blank">ksjr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 狗家也亂點很多技能樹阿==</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 02:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mamorui/push?y=26" target="_blank">mamorui</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比較想知道5年後的事</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 02:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eknbz/push?y=26" target="_blank">eknbz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: CPU那個比記憶體更難判斷到</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 03:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哀皇只會靠x86護城河 最後必爛尾</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 03:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早期哀皇也有做ARM晶片 最後為了不動搖x86地位賣了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就說過手機市場</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Nitricacid/push?y=26" target="_blank">Nitricacid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在台灣不要談創新未來 說教爹們要的只是平穩的生活</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 06:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Nitricacid/push?y=26" target="_blank">Nitricacid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最好到退休之前什麼都不變 ==</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dosiris/push?y=26" target="_blank">dosiris</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普：台灣遠的要命王國不是 那台廠為什麼不自己做</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 06:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dosiris/push?y=26" target="_blank">dosiris</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: HBM</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Zending/push?y=26" target="_blank">Zending</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先進封裝跟異質整合用品味來形容真是太好了</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 07:12</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Zending/push?y=26" target="_blank">Zending</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先進封裝已經大到積專心SOIC都不夠，測試還分出來</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AdamHuangNew/push?y=26" target="_blank">AdamHuangNew</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美光卡哇錯了嗎 哭</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 07:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/akane1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">akane1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 批的林區也說過同樣的話，放著主業亂發展或併購的</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 08:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/akane1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">akane1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公司大概後面都...但要看主業是否過時，不然做卡帶</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/akane1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">akane1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光碟軟片的注定要被世界淘汰</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有人記得WIMAX之爭 ~~真久了阿</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 08:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jimcjp/push?y=26" target="_blank">jimcjp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gg 不是一直有研發記億體嗎 只是不是主流。 主流記</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 08:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jimcjp/push?y=26" target="_blank">jimcjp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 億體被大廠卡專利而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: RRAM是embedded</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 08:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waitrop/push?y=26" target="_blank">waitrop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: INTC當年為了保護x86,把xScale棄養,科技業最大笑話</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/17 09:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 20幾年前台灣大多是代工廠，被上游逼得不斷擴廠</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/17 09:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等設備投資下去產能開出之後，上游再狠狠的殺價，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不接受殺價就是看著庫存越來越多，最後含淚接受</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以才有所謂「毛三到四」的說法，毛利只有3%，所以</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當時台積電這種公司根本沒什麼人要去，股價就40~100</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之間掙扎，人才想去的是宏達電、Garmin這類的公司</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國的底氣就是什麼慘業都養著發產 總之不能被卡脖</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/17 09:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國的底氣就是什麼都沒差 起來了我用武力搶劫</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 20年前台積就台灣市值第一了…</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/17 10:02</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且台積那時候有毛三到四過@@</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積近20年最爛的毛利是2008年的42.5%…</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 20年前台積沒有人要去xd 少子化提前20年爆發膩</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/17 10:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/southpeace/push?y=26" target="_blank">southpeace</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積應該一直都有人要去 但可以待下去是另一件事</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/17 10:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dan000001/push?y=26" target="_blank">dan000001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台光台灣區素質這麼好 他們的分紅去哪了</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/17 11:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 哪來的雲台灣人 20年前2006 你知道2006兩年後</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/17 13:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是2008嗎?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那個股價代表的是政策問題 一個傻屌政策 搞大舉西進</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才讓台灣的資金被吸乾 產業就只能裁員 誰跟你沒什麼</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人要去 那年最流行的慣老闆發言 就是</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: &quot;你不做 後面還一堆人搶著做&quot;</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: &quot;無薪假能得諾貝爾獎&quot;</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dos01/push?y=26" target="_blank">dos01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才不是什麼沒人要作 是他媽根本沒有職缺</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/randystock/push?y=26" target="_blank">randystock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積還做過太陽能，最後也是收掉</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/17 13:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yutaka28/push?y=26" target="_blank">yutaka28</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海力士這波賺大錢又願意分錢給員工，應該是亞洲製</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/17 13:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yutaka28/push?y=26" target="_blank">yutaka28</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 造業的傳奇了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yutaka28/push?y=26" target="_blank">yutaka28</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別人也有分過，分到這麼狂，應該是製造業罕見</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starfirerex/push?y=26" target="_blank">starfirerex</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說那麼多你空多少了</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/17 14:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推推推</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/17 18:11</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> aulau. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3ZO 2026-05-16T23:47:12+08:00 2026-05-17T20:06:34+08:00

大叔我從2019開始投資 1.初期拿自己工作存的250w入場，跟著家人 買穩定配息的個股(邁達特、華南金、玉山金)->100%曝險 2. 2020 疫情崩盤後家人說要等第二隻腳 等著等著都等不到，就在同年5年用家人的房子申請增貸400萬繼續加碼 當時主要還是穩定配息個股+692(定期定額+左側交易加碼)->260% 3.資金超過500W後跟元大申請質押，在2021年初~2022年底 陸續買入台積電+正二(感謝大仁哥推廣正二)->350%曝險 4.2022盤跌，到10月最低點時質押額度670萬全部加碼且維持率剩167% 不得以只好申請信貸(320萬) 還掉一半的質押，用時間換取空間(維持率) 5.質押額度空出來用，繼續用質押左側交易加碼 6.直到2024/8月被市場跌停教訓，把手中個股賣掉一半，空出額度 改買0050(不再加碼692)->250%曝險 7.2025/4月關稅小板板，再次震撼教育，手中個股大多賣出 並減碼富邦正二(最多時91張)，將質押還清，重新申請額度 從670->提高到1200萬，準備下一次的抄底資金 當時覺得景氣紅燈了，如果反轉再遇到藍燈 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> aulau (鋒哥)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [請益] 真的有人敢貸款買股票嗎<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 23:47:12 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 大叔我從2019開始投資 1.初期拿自己工作存的250w入場，跟著家人 買穩定配息的個股(邁達特、華南金、玉山金)-&gt;<span style="color:#F0F000">100%曝險</span> 2. 2020 疫情崩盤後家人說要等第二隻腳 等著等著都等不到，就在同年5年用家人的<span style="color:#F00000">房子申請增貸400萬</span>繼續加碼 當時主要還是穩定配息個股+692(定期定額+左側交易加碼)-&gt;<span style="color:#F0F000">260%</span> 3.資金超過500W後跟元大申請質押，在2021年初~2022年底 陸續買入台積電+正二(感謝大仁哥推廣正二)-&gt;<span style="color:#F0F000">350%曝險</span> 4.2022盤跌，到10月最低點時<span style="color:#F00000">質押額度670萬</span>全部加碼且維持率剩167% 不得以只好申請<span style="color:#F00000">信貸(320萬)</span> 還掉一半的質押，用時間換取空間(維持率) 5.質押額度空出來用，繼續用質押左側交易加碼 6.直到2024/8月被市場跌停教訓，把手中個股賣掉一半，空出額度 改買0050(不再加碼692)-&gt;<span style="color:#F0F000">250%曝險</span> <div class="combine-lines">7.2025/4月關稅小板板，再次震撼教育，手中個股大多賣出 並減碼富邦正二(最多時91張)，將質押還清，重新申請額度 從670-&gt;提高到1200萬，準備下一次的抄底資金</div> 當時覺得景氣紅燈了，如果反轉再遇到藍燈就可以慢慢加碼 至今個股只剩:邁達特(資安)、合一(賭博彩券)-&gt;<span style="color:#F0F000">200%曝險</span> 8. 2026打仗市場動盪，用質押持續加碼600萬(大跌就買) 質押額度用到840萬，目前也被元大斷金源，資金不再寬裕-&gt;<span style="color:#F0F000">180%曝險</span> 9.目前就等待質押市場恢復正常，手上質押到期日都在116/10月左右 暫時沒有被迫賣出部位的壓力，如果明年質押還是沒資金 我會再借信貸，轉一筆錢出來備用(目前7年已還了2年) 以上過程中有很多次的<span style="color:#F000F0">運氣好</span> A.還好2022是緩跌有時間調資金，如果當時遇到2025/4月關稅戰 我會原地爆炸 B.運氣好在2022/10月最低點的時候，沒有賣出而是選擇信貸繼續撐+加碼 而且因早期買了很多個股，匯豐願意部分<span style="color:#F000F0">認列股息收入</span>，讓我借到320萬 C.2024也看了版上的討論配置了<span style="color:#F000F0">230萬的美債</span>，但因為表現不佳在2025/4月前賣出了 空出的資金在4/7~4/9勇敢買入，到4/9真的沒錢了 從床底拿出十萬私房錢買了兩張富邦正二(50元/張) D.2022工作不順利非常想離職，最後因為莫名的原因撐住了 也度過投資、職場最黑暗的時刻，如果我當時離職了 整個投資配置就必須降低 目前的持股台積電7950股、富邦正二68張、00692 76張、0050 41張 美股約23萬鎂 單純湊熱鬧回文就不附圖了 <span style="color:#F00000">貸款投資是對未來大膽的壓注，但也必須承擔更高的風險</span> 我目前覺得<span style="color:#F0F000">1.6~1.8倍就是適當的槓桿比例</span> 再更高，風險報酬比就不划算了 祝大家2026年報都創新高，期待年底大家的分享 <span class="record">※ 引述《huangin (大黃)》之銘言：</span> <span class="quote">: 想請教一下版上的大家：</span> <span class="quote">: 在大多頭超熱行情的現在，真的有人會用貸款資金來買股票嗎？</span> <span class="quote">: 最近有點好奇，因為身邊偶爾會聽到有人用信貸、房貸增貸，甚至其他低利資金投入股市</span> <span class="quote">: 。想了解實際上大家如果是用「貸款來的資本」操作，通常會怎麼規劃？</span> <span class="quote">: 例如：</span> <span class="quote">: 1. 比較保守地分批買 ETF，像是大盤型、高股息或債券 ETF</span> <span class="quote">: 2. 買大型權值股</span> <span class="quote">: 3. 投入熱門題材股、AI、半導體、封裝、電力之類</span> <span class="quote">: 4. 短線操作，用報酬率打過利息</span> <span class="quote">: 若真的這麼操作的人，你們會怎麼控管風險？</span> <span class="quote">: 例如貸款成數、利率、還款期限、停損機制，或是遇到股市大跌時怎麼處理？</span> <span class="quote">: 純粹想了解現在市場上這種情況到底普不普遍，以及大家實務上是怎麼配置和控管風險的</span> <span class="quote">: 。</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 150.116.209.76 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: aulau 2026-05-16 23:47:12</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778946434.A.6CF.html" target="_blank">#1g2962RF (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778946434.A.6CF.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778946434.A.6CF.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alfi2016/push?y=26" target="_blank">alfi2016</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/sT5cxyCF.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/sT5cxyCF.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 23:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alfi2016/push?y=26" target="_blank">alfi2016</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年底一堆賠錢對帳單</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/sT5cxyCF.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="801" data-ori_h="567" style="width:801px;height:567px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_sT5cxyCF.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> 已經連續三年賺錢了(2023~2025)今年賠錢的話也是剛好而已 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pttbeigowow/push?y=26" target="_blank">pttbeigowow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 質押仔勸世文</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 23:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家都好會借錢來賺錢 羨慕 我只有少少的本金</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 23:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wvookevp/push?y=26" target="_blank">wvookevp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用閒錢玩不是壞事啊 至少睡得安穩</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 23:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haha98/push?y=26" target="_blank">haha98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒錯 不貸款 跟人玩啥股票</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 23:58</span></div> 用自有資金歐印，穩穩獲利也是一種投資策略 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好 借錢怎麼輸</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 23:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kyotaoyuan/push?y=26" target="_blank">kyotaoyuan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小賭怡情 大賭成家立業</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/17 00:00</span></div> 太多人退休了，找不到員工 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vendee/push?y=26" target="_blank">vendee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推長期分享槓桿經驗的鋒哥</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/17 00:00</span></div> 活下來就繼續分享 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lokoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">lokoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能夠撐過空頭不跑路還賺錢的才是高手</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/17 00:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beagle2001/push?y=26" target="_blank">beagle2001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 運氣好，很老實</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/17 00:05</span></div> 感謝大盤賞飯吃 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得湊個整數2倍才剛好 計算上也很直觀</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/17 00:08</span></div> 質押被關閉沒錢再上槓了QQ <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanleyplus/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanleyplus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次應該不少人會爆掉</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/17 00:16</span></div> 才回檔3~5%就爆炸的根本不該開槓桿。我預期會遇到30%以上的回檔 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你的確是運氣好，大仁哥本身的曝險也是100%而已（</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/17 00:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近計劃微調到103%），他沒倡導要貸成這樣，除非</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你本業或家庭後盾夠強那另當別論。</span></div> 大仁哥有勸我692賣掉，持有正二就不用質押用這麼多 但我目前覺得這策略沒問題，但我對正二沒有100%的信仰 只做資產配置 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flyslider/push?y=26" target="_blank">flyslider</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哇靠 你要匯豐帳戶耶 大戶VVVIP</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/17 00:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kyochan/push?y=26" target="_blank">kyochan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前還欠銀行多少錢？：）</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/17 00:26</span></div> 大概1370W而已，我目標是借到5000W <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用家人住的房子貸款 心真大</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/17 00:29</span></div> 感謝家人支持 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 槓桿是必開的在這大多頭時代 用高利貸也划算</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/17 00:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣!!!!!!!!!</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/17 00:33</span></div> 每次都一樣，已經經歷過三次空頭了(2020、2022、2025/4月) <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/boydoop/push?y=26" target="_blank">boydoop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 運氣好是真的，不過觀念也要正確，拿家人房子貸款遇</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/17 00:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/boydoop/push?y=26" target="_blank">boydoop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到跌停心態會崩，風險控制好觀念也要正確才行，跌就</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/boydoop/push?y=26" target="_blank">boydoop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是加碼</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完全不羨慕 家人房子你也敢這樣XDDD</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/17 00:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnnychenme/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnnychenme</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本業很強就是有比較高的容錯空間開槓桿 恭喜賺錢</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/17 00:39</span></div> 建築業只要奴性夠一定有工作做 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝分享</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/17 00:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arnold3/push?y=26" target="_blank">arnold3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 富貴險中求 沒風險哪來收益</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/17 00:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/veter/push?y=26" target="_blank">veter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪來的這次是崩了？笑屎</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/17 00:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neil25/push?y=26" target="_blank">neil25</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期一看看再說</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/17 00:59</span></div> 小跌3~5%已經無感了 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linoo315/push?y=26" target="_blank">linoo315</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請問正二會再平衡嗎 還是抱到退休</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/17 01:04</span></div> 大跌就加碼正二(不賣出)直到退休前會把信貸、質押大部分還掉，只剩自住房貸 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正確 這波沒借錢的 之後都會很慘</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/17 01:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/youbee/push?y=26" target="_blank">youbee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 總覺得有維持率的質押跟融資有斷頭風險存在，所以你</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 01:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/youbee/push?y=26" target="_blank">youbee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到底借了多少超勇</span></div> 目前1370W <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我開始覺得平時沒事就要多借錢</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/17 01:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ashand/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ashand</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 身邊一堆一輩子沒投資的朋友 過的很幸福哪裡慘了</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 01:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要看那麼多網路 無知是福 看越多想越多</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/17 01:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒借會很慘都來了 接下來是要通膨到早餐加蛋50塊嗎</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 01:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人家花錢換回憶 比承擔風險快樂多了</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/17 01:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到底誰看誰可憐很難說XDD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason751231/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason751231</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 靠賽</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 01:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/anal5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">anal5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波真的是一大堆風口上的豬，大牛市就是不要命的賺</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 01:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/anal5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">anal5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最多</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ghytrfvbnmju/push?y=26" target="_blank">ghytrfvbnmju</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鋒哥推推</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 02:17</span></div> 感謝支持 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比較喜歡連續看對小額投入 成就感是持續累積</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/17 02:43</span></div> 我2021~2024都有再持續定期定額，是部位變大後覺得無異議，才只做左側交易 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icelaw/push?y=26" target="_blank">icelaw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讚</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 03:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yabuku/push?y=26" target="_blank">yabuku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝分享</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 08:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kmshy/push?y=26" target="_blank">kmshy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 風口上的豬在今年一堆 運氣好真的很重要</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 08:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myth0422/push?y=26" target="_blank">myth0422</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭贏的才敢大聲</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 08:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樂見越來越多人槓桿投入股市</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/17 09:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kitune/push?y=26" target="_blank">kitune</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定要樂見啊 代表資金充足 風險控管有想好就好</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 09:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peiningyu/push?y=26" target="_blank">peiningyu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推鋒哥</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 09:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Delyan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Delyan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆喔</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 10:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaadult/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaadult</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GG 不再買個 50 股湊 8 張ㄇ</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 10:44</span></div> 質押被鎖，目前沒錢再加碼 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cool10528/push?y=26" target="_blank">cool10528</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恭喜！ 槓桿都可以再大一點</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 11:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vux/push?y=26" target="_blank">vux</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 質押才是股市聖杯</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 11:09</span></div> 元大快開放額度阿!! <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newf91G/push?y=26" target="_blank">newf91G</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 融資，融券，高槓桿</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 11:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faultless/push?y=26" target="_blank">faultless</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 撐住關稅戰並跟對趨勢歐印的，真的賺到退休</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 11:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CGDGAD/push?y=26" target="_blank">CGDGAD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波沒借錢重壓的真的可以退出股市了，你不會玩股</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 11:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CGDGAD/push?y=26" target="_blank">CGDGAD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 票</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只要更多新手砸錢進股市，學長就可以早點解套</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 11:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前白銀很熱的時候，還有前輩熱心分享哪裡的銀樓</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還買得到銀條，報他名字還有優惠價</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ashand/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ashand</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://reurl.cc/Emepz0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://reurl.cc/Emepz0</a></span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 11:55</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/7qWH7e_AEDs?autohide=1&&amp;si=U91xzp3mPg0X6PX7"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/7qWH7e_AEDs/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gosling1019/push?y=26" target="_blank">gosling1019</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當市場對手都是質押過的人.....好捲阿</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 13:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/uller/push?y=26" target="_blank">uller</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以總共欠多少錢？</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 14:06</span></div> 目前1370W <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiversonx17/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiversonx17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推質押王鋒哥 個人槓桿比也是1.8上下 這波漲到剩1.5</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 14:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiversonx17/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiversonx17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等質押金流恢復吧 又手癢想借來買了XD</span></div> 沒有質押就沒辦法熱情參與市場了XDD <span class="record">※ 編輯: aulau (150.116.209.76 臺灣), 05/17/2026 15:28:14</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/super1315566/push?y=26" target="_blank">super1315566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 15:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linfuon/push?y=26" target="_blank">linfuon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推鋒哥 這波貸了200萬 靠GG跟記憶體賺了快3000萬</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 16:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raphael1994/push?y=26" target="_blank">raphael1994</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 元大也不願意借我錢了QQ</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/17 17:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RealID2018/push?y=26" target="_blank">RealID2018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豪猛</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/17 19:39</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> b122771. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3ZN 2026-05-16T23:23:08+08:00 2026-05-17T20:06:32+08:00

推文很多人都提到重點了 > 去看張忠謀自傳， 記憶體那一塊老張寫蠻多頁的血淚史。 我大概整理一下自己印象中的內容（漏掉很多細節）。 大概是在 1980～1990 年代那段時間。 施振榮做 PC 產業，而 PC 最吃的零組件之一就是 DRAM。 張忠謀在自傳裡提到，施振榮當年認為，如果記憶體能自己做， 不但供貨能掌握，成本也能壓低，所以後來決定跨進 DRAM。 1989 年，施振榮與 TI 合資成立德碁半導體。 張忠謀在自傳裡提到一段事情。 當年施振榮準備投入 DRAM 時，三星那邊其實已經收到消息。 李健熙當時人在台北市， 李健熙曾與張忠謀、施振榮碰面交流過，也邀請他們去韓國參觀三星的 DRAM 廠。 那時三星的記憶體工廠其實已經蓋得很完整，設備也都到位了。 張忠謀參觀後，對三星的規模印象很深。 李健熙當時提出的想法是： 「台灣與韓國一起合作，一起把記憶體市場做大，對雙方都有利。」 但後來台灣這邊並沒有與三星往合作方向走。 之後德碁也碰到幾個很現實的問題： 1.核心技術還是掌握在 TI 手上 2.DRAM 景氣循環太劇烈 3.規模不夠大 從這段過程中也可以看出來，當時台灣方面本身 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> b122771 (伊普西隆級鄉民)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> Re: [請益] 為什麼GG一直不做記憶體？<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 23:23:08 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span class="quote">: 長久以來三星靠著記憶體本業支援發展邏輯代工</span> <span class="quote">: 三星一直沒放棄晶圓代工這塊，像這波大爆賺又有大把銀彈可以投入</span> <span class="quote">: 就算短期內追不上GG，只要記憶體本業還在就能一直續命撐著</span> <span class="quote">: 不用像台積要需要一直維持頂尖的製程</span> <span class="quote">: 台積就算怎麼領先三星的晶圓代工，沒有殺到三星的記憶體業務，三星都能無限復活</span> <span class="quote">: 那台積為什麼不推自己的記憶體呢？趁現在先進封裝向客戶推把邏輯跟自己的記憶體封在一起的解決方案</span> <span class="quote">: 記得台積發展MRAM的新聞也很久了，到現在還是沒辦法導入市場嗎？</span> <span class="quote">: -----</span> 推文很多人都提到重點了 &gt; 去看張忠謀自傳， 記憶體那一塊老張寫蠻多頁的血淚史。 我大概整理一下自己印象中的內容（漏掉很多細節）。 大概是在 1980～1990 年代那段時間。 施振榮做 PC 產業，而 PC 最吃的零組件之一就是 DRAM。 張忠謀在自傳裡提到，施振榮當年認為，如果記憶體能自己做， 不但供貨能掌握，成本也能壓低，所以後來決定跨進 DRAM。 1989 年，施振榮與 TI 合資成立德碁半導體。 張忠謀在自傳裡提到一段事情。 當年施振榮準備投入 DRAM 時，三星那邊其實已經收到消息。 李健熙當時人在台北市， 李健熙曾與張忠謀、施振榮碰面交流過，也邀請他們去韓國參觀三星的 DRAM 廠。 那時三星的記憶體工廠其實已經蓋得很完整，設備也都到位了。 張忠謀參觀後，對三星的規模印象很深。 李健熙當時提出的想法是： 「台灣與韓國一起合作，一起把記憶體市場做大，對雙方都有利。」 但後來台灣這邊並沒有與三星往合作方向走。 之後德碁也碰到幾個很現實的問題： 1.核心技術還是掌握在 TI 手上 2.DRAM 景氣循環太劇烈 3.規模不夠大 從這段過程中也可以看出來，當時台灣方面本身就沒有強烈意願與韓國合作。 選擇自幹.. 然而在事後， 卻又不斷將記憶體市場被韓國廠商全面吃下來的結果，歸咎於對方的競爭行為， 這樣的對照多少顯得有些矛盾。 從今天回頭看，反而會覺得李健熙在整體布局上的胸襟與包容度更大， 對產業發展的眼光也放得更遠，不只著眼於短期得失，而是願意承擔風險、提前押注未來方向。 1999 年，德碁半導體最後賣給台積電。 但台積電買下來後，不是繼續做 DRAM，而是把產能轉成晶圓代工。 .......... 上述其實沒辦法完整呈現書裡真正想表達的內容， 中間省略跟壓縮掉太多細節了，多少會有失真。 張忠謀自傳（上）裡其實有很詳細地描述， 老張當年親眼見證 TI 做記憶體業務時的血淚史， 這也成了他後來不願再碰記憶體的一大原因。 還是建議直接去看作者本人寫的自傳，內容會完整很多，也比較能理解當時的時代背景與決策脈絡。 台積電籌資那段往事 當初張忠謀在籌資的時候，其實過程相當不順利。那個年代大家對晶圓代工這種模式完全 沒概念，台塑一開始根本完全不想碰。 後來俞國華有跟張忠謀說過， 台塑是當時台灣最大的民營企業，如果連台塑都不願意投資，那其他民間企業多半也不會跟進。 台灣企業自己都不想投，更別想吸引外資投。 後來是靠俞國華他們一行人出面協助斡旋、說服，台塑才勉強參與投資。 股票點： 不過等到台積電真的做出成績、站穩腳步之後， 台塑也很快就把持股全部賣光了。 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 49.218.247.237 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: b122771 2026-05-16 23:23:08</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778944990.A.60D.html" target="_blank">#1g28lUOD (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778944990.A.60D.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778944990.A.60D.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jinsan/push?y=26" target="_blank">jinsan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推好文</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 23:25</span></div> <div 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那段歷史沒那麼單純，而且當初有能力做記憶體的可多</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 23:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星直接說記憶體就是要堆貨，然後就沒有然後了</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 23:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilanese/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilanese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣的問題應該是一直都沒有自己的記憶體專利吧？</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 23:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了，是廝殺到2008還是2010年才確定三大記憶體廠家</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 23:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Peter911/push?y=26" target="_blank">Peter911</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果跟三星合作那就是另一個背刺的故事了</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 23:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣之前多數是專利代工日本歐洲美國的記憶體商</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 23:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilanese/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilanese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體每隔幾年就是來一波割喉戰，看誰會被淘汰？</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 23:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然啦，韓國在記憶體這一塊的確很厲害，後來歐美日</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 23:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的記憶體整併到現在就是剩美光..</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good5755/push?y=26" target="_blank">good5755</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星那套逆週期投資被阿共學去搞太陽能和面板了...</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 23:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssarc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssarc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在看不跟三星合作才是正確的，三星信用不好</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 23:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furnaceh/push?y=26" target="_blank">furnaceh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老張如果當時跟三星合作了 現在G可能上5千了 不過沒</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 23:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furnaceh/push?y=26" target="_blank">furnaceh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有如果 跟人生一樣 只有一個選擇</span></div> 看到書裡老張寫到那段.. 李健熙邀請他與施振榮去韓國參觀記憶體工廠。 並希望台灣與韓國一起把記憶體市場餅做大。 我對李健熙這個人整個改觀了。胸襟真大 ! <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Beantownfan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Beantownfan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台塑那段 我記得是有些半威脅半情勒</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 23:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Beantownfan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Beantownfan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: &quot;國家幫你這麼多了 現在你是不是該做點什麼&quot;</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssarc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssarc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上五千還是剩五十？</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 23:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Beantownfan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Beantownfan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台塑才勉為其難投資</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 23:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KKSlider/push?y=26" target="_blank">KKSlider</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟三星合作應該是剩50</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 23:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furnaceh/push?y=26" target="_blank">furnaceh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是說GG當年也殺入記憶體 現在記憶體不知道版圖如何</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 23:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/realtreasure/push?y=26" target="_blank">realtreasure</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟三星合作？那今天可能連台積本身都被翻掉</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 23:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furnaceh/push?y=26" target="_blank">furnaceh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積跟三星沒有一個50的</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 23:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也別把台GG想的太全能，當初台GG接手世界先進併到世</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 23:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大半導體的時候其實是有想再切入Dram產業的，只不過</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 評估一兩年後發現專利很難繞過其他家所以放棄了..</span></div> 台積電沒有要再切入 DRAM， 鄉民不要隨意改編歷史。 張忠謀在書中提到，當時世界先進長期虧損奄奄一息..。 時任總經理蔡力行向他提出一個關鍵觀點： 蔡力行認為， 只有將世界先進轉型為晶圓代工，才有機會擺脫困境。 世界先進才有機會再次站起來。 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Feting/push?y=26" target="_blank">Feting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當年如果gg跟三星合作，和聯電跟IBM合作哪個慘</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 23:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sianan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sianan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也就出了HBM才讓人覺得記憶體是賺錢的 不然記憶體</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 23:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sianan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sianan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一直是賺幾年虧爛幾年的 那前幾年討論的就是台積電</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sianan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sianan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去做記憶體是不是D能兒了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asdasd4522/push?y=26" target="_blank">asdasd4522</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 馬後炮來看 確實不跟韓國合作是對的 不然就被背刺</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/17 00:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/endlesswalk/push?y=26" target="_blank">endlesswalk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記得當年好像政府也有出面希望各記憶體廠商合併成一</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/17 00:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/endlesswalk/push?y=26" target="_blank">endlesswalk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 家對抗三星，但是談不攏就沒戲了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當年牙科、葛屁達、力晶這些整合失敗也是因為台灣老</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/17 00:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 闆沒人想當細漢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z1120123/push?y=26" target="_blank">z1120123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前陣子剛看完 真的覺得李國鼎真的是名副其實台灣科</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/17 00:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z1120123/push?y=26" target="_blank">z1120123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 技之父 當時一堆人不看好台積 書裡有提到 張忠謀去</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z1120123/push?y=26" target="_blank">z1120123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 找王永慶投資台積一事 王永慶也愛屌不屌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果不只美光、連海力士跟三星都來設廠，台灣還能更</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 00:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上一層，而且韓廠其實比台廠還照顧員工</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 王永慶還是有出資台積，但確實沒很看好</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 事實上台積在2010以前在產業內都還沒被很看好，就只</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是個還不錯穩定的公司</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nangaluchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">nangaluchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 和三星合作就是個笑話 莫忘面板業者怎的賣掉的</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/17 00:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積能有今天也是很多內外因素夾雜、帶點運氣成份，</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 00:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從聯電和艦被搞、AMD壯士斷腕GF投奔GG、海嘯裁員潮</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 張董回歸組改、夜鷹計劃、牙膏內部派系鬥爭跟印度幫</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幹廢技術發展，最後是美國掐斷中芯先進製程，差一個</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積都不會獨霸，不做記憶體搞好而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好啦 現在有謠言說 MRAM真的會上 縮到12nm</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 00:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/titanlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">titanlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體賠的時候可以讓你萬劫不復</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 00:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/titanlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">titanlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然你以為去年他們為什麼對擴產</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/titanlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">titanlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼保守</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abyssa1/push?y=26" target="_blank">abyssa1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 面板有合作談價錢啊 結果老董去美國坐牢</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 00:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kamitengo/push?y=26" target="_blank">kamitengo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 順便解釋下gg大腸能跟照明</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 00:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shang17/push?y=26" target="_blank">shang17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不當朋友當對手，三星不賣你賣誰？台灣記憶體、面板</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 00:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shang17/push?y=26" target="_blank">shang17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就沒有跟三星合作，不會真有人以為私下約定的聯</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shang17/push?y=26" target="_blank">shang17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 合漲價是正式合作喔？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 和三星合作的話，協議會冷筍</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/17 00:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevabc1/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevabc1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聯瑞燒掉的那一刻起就註定了聯電永遠追不上台積 其</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 00:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevabc1/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevabc1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 餘的都只是後面發生的事情而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/teller526/push?y=26" target="_blank">teller526</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 李健熙胸襟大? 三星滅台計畫跟當年面板告密是誰做的</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 00:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wangyl/push?y=26" target="_blank">wangyl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推好文和Brioni</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 00:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推Brioni 遠的不說 季辛格當時整天爪的時候 看起</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 00:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來是不是很威 市場對台積也一堆雜音 跟近日依樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david3033/push?y=26" target="_blank">david3033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟韓仔談合作 別鬧了 還好當初沒弄下去</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 01:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stpmouse/push?y=26" target="_blank">stpmouse</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在回頭看 沒合作是對的</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/17 01:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 簡單說就是俞國華跟王永慶收保護費投資台積電</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/17 02:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 王永慶的世界裡根本不董半導體是三小</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevin850717/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevin850717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星動不動記憶體賺一波大的 回頭給晶圓代工輸血</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/17 03:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevin850717/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevin850717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也很好奇台積都不覺得不做記憶體很被動嗎</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevin850717/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevin850717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也不求做多好 能當攪屎棍噁心三星就夠了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevin850717/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevin850717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要能在前幾次記憶體週期當東巴 三星早就被送下去了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a135791258/push?y=26" target="_blank">a135791258</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星搞了滅台計畫叫做有胸襟？如果不是台積電撐下</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/17 06:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a135791258/push?y=26" target="_blank">a135791258</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來 這破島就真完蛋了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ku399999/push?y=26" target="_blank">ku399999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中芯有沒有根本差距不大 不用硬加上去 要也是說紫光</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/17 07:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/falseflame/push?y=26" target="_blank">falseflame</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積能走到今天這一步的關鍵就是幫蘋果代工手機晶</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/17 08:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/falseflame/push?y=26" target="_blank">falseflame</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 片，只要台積沒做這件事製程超車intel的世界線是不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/falseflame/push?y=26" target="_blank">falseflame</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可能出現的。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/akira27/push?y=26" target="_blank">akira27</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟韓國人談合作喔，呵呵第一天出社會</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/17 08:50</span></div> 以前台灣人嘴巴上都很愛說討厭韓國人、恨韓國恨得要死， 但我自己跟韓國同事相處的經驗，其實都還算正常。 說個有點諷刺的笑話， 這幾年台韓之間最大的合作，應該是韓國啦啦隊跟中職的合作， 一起把啦啦隊文化越做越大。 只是..確實壓縮到了台籍啦啦隊的空間。 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poba8506/push?y=26" target="_blank">poba8506</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟三星合作？你確涅！？</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/17 09:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guardian93/push?y=26" target="_blank">guardian93</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 李健熙是李健熙，後面的三星掌門人做了什麼事都還記</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/17 10:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guardian93/push?y=26" target="_blank">guardian93</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 憶猶新</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 動不動記憶體賺大的！？就在去年南亞科跌到剩2x，台</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/17 11:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塑自己又不好</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roseritter/push?y=26" target="_blank">roseritter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你說會包一包收起來我都信</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國做生意厲害，企業也是很猛的，很容易弄死你的，</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/17 11:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 商場無道德，但是我喜歡韓國啦啦隊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣都還有愛支病，哪裡會恨韓國@@</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/17 11:22</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 更何況三星還是UMC大客戶…</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tony890415/push?y=26" target="_blank">tony890415</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 扯mram是在幹嘛 MRAM 是embedded 技術</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/17 11:33</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: b122771 (49.218.247.237 臺灣), 05/17/2026 12:14:40</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q437648296/push?y=26" target="_blank">q437648296</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有這麼單純 商場上人家哄幾句就崇拜得不得了</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/17 12:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pf775/push?y=26" target="_blank">pf775</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 堅決反韓好嗎</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/17 12:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dme2b22/push?y=26" target="_blank">dme2b22</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 梁孟松台積就冰他 才給了三星反超機會 講叛國情緒</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/17 13:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dme2b22/push?y=26" target="_blank">dme2b22</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勒索都是多的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國在PCB搞台灣的事情忘記了嗎？還好當初沒有合作</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/17 13:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，沒有走自己的路怎麼會有現在的發展？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tskier/push?y=26" target="_blank">tskier</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝分享</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/17 14:14</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> Reewalker. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3ZM 2026-05-16T22:03:49+08:00 2026-05-17T15:42:06+08:00

俄羅斯經濟三年首見萎縮！首季GDP下滑0.2% 戰爭制裁衝擊 AFP 法新社報導 根據俄羅斯聯邦統計局（Rosstat）週五公布的最新數據，俄羅斯經濟在2026年第一季萎 縮了0.2%，這是該國三年來首次出現季度負成長。隨著烏俄戰爭持續延燒以及國際制裁的 雙重壓力，俄國經濟成長動能顯露疲態。 俄羅斯聯邦統計局（Rosstat）於週五發布官方數據，顯示俄羅斯2026年第一季的國內生 產毛額（GDP）較上一季萎縮了0.2%。這項數據標誌著俄國經濟自三年前以來，首度陷入 季度衰退的窘境，反映出長期戰爭對國家財政與社會經濟帶來的沉重負擔。 回顧去年同期，俄羅斯在2025年1月至3月間仍保有1.4%的經濟成長率。然而，隨著烏俄衝 突進入僵持階段，加上西方國家持續施加嚴厲的經濟制裁，俄羅斯的產業鏈與出口貿易受 到嚴重打擊，導致原本的成長動能消失殆盡，轉向負成長。 分析人士指出，儘管俄羅斯政府試圖透過軍工產業帶動內需，但高昂的軍事支出與勞動力 短缺問題，正逐漸侵蝕經濟穩定。這次0.2%的微幅萎縮，被視為俄國經濟可能面臨長期停 滯的警訊，未來幾季的表現將成為觀察俄羅斯是否能承受戰爭消耗戰的關鍵指標。 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> Reewalker (報告饅頭班長不夠)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 俄羅斯經濟三年首見萎縮！首季GDP下滑0.2<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 22:03:49 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 俄羅斯經濟三年首見萎縮！首季GDP下滑0.2% 戰爭制裁衝擊 AFP 法新社報導 <div class="combine-lines">根據俄羅斯聯邦統計局（Rosstat）週五公布的最新數據，俄羅斯經濟在2026年第一季萎 縮了0.2%，這是該國三年來首次出現季度負成長。隨著烏俄戰爭持續延燒以及國際制裁的 雙重壓力，俄國經濟成長動能顯露疲態。</div> <div class="combine-lines">俄羅斯聯邦統計局（Rosstat）於週五發布官方數據，顯示俄羅斯2026年第一季的國內生 產毛額（GDP）較上一季萎縮了0.2%。這項數據標誌著俄國經濟自三年前以來，首度陷入 季度衰退的窘境，反映出長期戰爭對國家財政與社會經濟帶來的沉重負擔。</div> <div class="combine-lines">回顧去年同期，俄羅斯在2025年1月至3月間仍保有1.4%的經濟成長率。然而，隨著烏俄衝 突進入僵持階段，加上西方國家持續施加嚴厲的經濟制裁，俄羅斯的產業鏈與出口貿易受 到嚴重打擊，導致原本的成長動能消失殆盡，轉向負成長。</div> <div class="combine-lines">分析人士指出，儘管俄羅斯政府試圖透過軍工產業帶動內需，但高昂的軍事支出與勞動力 短缺問題，正逐漸侵蝕經濟穩定。這次0.2%的微幅萎縮，被視為俄國經濟可能面臨長期停 滯的警訊，未來幾季的表現將成為觀察俄羅斯是否能承受戰爭消耗戰的關鍵指標。</div> <a href="https://www.ftvnews.com.tw/news/detail/2026516W0002" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ftvnews.com.tw/news/detail/2026516W0002</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.ftvnews.com.tw/news/detail/2026516W0002" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>俄羅斯經濟三年首見萎縮！首季GDP下滑0.2% 戰爭制裁衝擊 - 民視新聞網</strong></a> AFP 法新社報導根據俄羅斯聯邦統計局（Rosstat）週五公布的最新數據，俄羅斯經濟在2026年第一季萎縮了0.2%，這是該國三年來首次出現季度負成長。隨著烏俄戰爭持續延燒以及國際制裁的雙重壓力，俄國經濟成長動能顯露疲態。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 由於烏俄戰爭影響， 多數俄羅斯ETF（如 RSX, ERUS）已在2022年3月暫停交易、下市並進行清算。 這是造假後的數據嗎 繼續生產軍工產品和出口油氣啊 all in抄底俄國股市喔 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <div class="ansi_group" data-img="/img/ansi/7/7c073c61092.png" data-width="790" data-height="120"><div class="ansi"><span style="color:#F0F000">如何嘴砲</span> 反駁對方的重點──◢◣<span style="color:#000">█</span><span style="color:#808080">確實指出人家論點的錯誤性</span> <span style="color:#FFF"> </span><span style="color:#808080">ψQSWEET</span></div> <div class="ansi"> <span style="color:#800080">駁斥</span>──────<span style="color:#800080">◢</span><span class="fgP0 bgP"> </span><span style="color:#800080">◣</span><span style="color:#000">█</span><span style="color:#808080">用引言指出對方錯誤或矛盾的地方</span><span style="color:#FFF">( </span>█<span style="color:#FFF">優質論文)</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span class="fgW1 bgR">在嘴砲王</span> <span style="color:#008080">相反的觀點</span>──<span style="color:#008080">◢████◣</span><span style="color:#000">█</span><span style="color:#808080">列出相反的論點並以事實當證據</span><span style="color:#FFF">( </span><span style="color:#800080">█</span><span style="color:#008080"> </span><span style="color:#FFF">辯論社)</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span class="fgW1 bgR">應該出現</span> <span style="color:#00F000">矛盾</span>────<span style="color:#00F000">◢██████◣</span><span style="color:#000">█</span><span style="color:#808080">列出相反的論點但不加以證實</span><span style="color:#FFF">( </span><span style="color:#00F000">█</span><span style="color:#800000">█</span><span style="color:#FFF">論壇)</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span class="fgW1 bgR">的元素 </span> <span style="color:#F0F000">攻擊態度</span>─<span style="color:#F0F000">◢████████◣</span><span style="color:#000">█</span><span style="color:#808080">質疑對方的態度和口氣 </span><span style="color:#000"> </span><span style="color:#FFF">(</span><span style="color:#000"> </span><span style="color:#F0F000">█</span><span style="color:#F000F0">█</span><span style="color:#FFF">匿名版)</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#F000F0">人身攻擊</span>↘<span style="color:#800000">偏見</span>↗ <span style="color:#F000F0">▄</span><span class="fgP1 bgR">▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄</span><span style="color:#000">█</span><span style="color:#808080">攻擊身份和能耐</span><span style="color:#000">█</span><span style="color:#808080">幹你娘</span><span style="color:#FFF">(</span><span style="color:#000">█</span><span style="color:#000"> </span><span style="color:#FFF">小朋友)</span></div> </div> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.232.232.166 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: Reewalker 2026-05-16 22:03:49</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778940236.A.A92.html" target="_blank">#1g27bCgI (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778940236.A.A92.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778940236.A.A92.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span 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class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Eide/push?y=26" target="_blank">Eide</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自循環了，難以制裁</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 22:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/njnjy/push?y=26" target="_blank">njnjy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 烏克蘭的無人機制裁比較有用</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 22:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sheep125/push?y=26" target="_blank">sheep125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都制裁這麼久了才開始有用，所以別指望靠經濟制裁</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 22:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sheep125/push?y=26" target="_blank">sheep125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結束一場戰爭</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有崩爛不錯了！共產大國就是不一樣….</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 22:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/now99/push?y=26" target="_blank">now99</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就看看會不會直線往下</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 22:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/calase/push?y=26" target="_blank">calase</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是現在才開始有用，之前的gdp成長是軍工灌出來的</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 22:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/calase/push?y=26" target="_blank">calase</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，其他非軍工產業衰退嚴重</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamnook2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamnook2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵)很好呀</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 22:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Rundstedt/push?y=26" target="_blank">Rundstedt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到現在還有人覺得俄羅斯是共產國家喔</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 22:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cheedo/push?y=26" target="_blank">cheedo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 經濟也開始往下衝鋒了</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 22:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/njnjy/push?y=26" target="_blank">njnjy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 俄羅斯就靠石油 煉油廠每天都被炸 經濟是能好到哪</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 22:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DORAQMON/push?y=26" target="_blank">DORAQMON</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 戰爭+制裁 才跌0.2</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 22:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/njnjy/push?y=26" target="_blank">njnjy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這是俄羅斯自己公佈的肯定還是美化的</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 22:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/njnjy/push?y=26" target="_blank">njnjy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 戰報都能畫唬爛的國家 經濟數據是能信喔</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/njnjy/push?y=26" target="_blank">njnjy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且量體這麼大的國家才1.4表示很嚴重</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/njnjy/push?y=26" target="_blank">njnjy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國經濟成長率掉到4%都被說經濟很嚴峻了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RS44/push?y=26" target="_blank">RS44</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 俄羅斯自己造成的 怪不了別人</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 22:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shinshu278/push?y=26" target="_blank">shinshu278</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是還在下大棋</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 22:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/treeson/push?y=26" target="_blank">treeson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最關鍵是油價上漲結果繼續惡化，顯示烏軍戰略轟炸</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 23:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/treeson/push?y=26" target="_blank">treeson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成效超乎預期</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flyinmagic/push?y=26" target="_blank">flyinmagic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普上台才放手讓烏克蘭攻擊俄羅斯本土 把煉油廠炸</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 23:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flyinmagic/push?y=26" target="_blank">flyinmagic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光看你要賺啥</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FatFatQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FatFatQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 烏克蘭已經損失17架F-16</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 23:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Torres1211/push?y=26" target="_blank">Torres1211</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在制裁效果才開始傳導？</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 23:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比較像是前線軍工需求變少吧？</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 23:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說得好像制裁有用一樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Tigerman001/push?y=26" target="_blank">Tigerman001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他現在油產量已經創新低了。而且是設備被炸，短時</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 23:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Tigerman001/push?y=26" target="_blank">Tigerman001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 間沒法復工</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thigefe/push?y=26" target="_blank">thigefe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才0.2，普丁大帝威武</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 23:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好哦！</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 23:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yomo2/push?y=26" target="_blank">yomo2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這真實情況一定更糟啊 之前都靠軍工拉數據 其他的</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 23:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yomo2/push?y=26" target="_blank">yomo2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慘很久了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FlynnZhang/push?y=26" target="_blank">FlynnZhang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這鞭也太長</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 23:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furret/push?y=26" target="_blank">furret</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: +1.1%-&gt;+0.4%-&gt;-0.2%</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 23:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delightboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">delightboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 撐好久</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 23:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beagle2001/push?y=26" target="_blank">beagle2001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很多人不知道阿富汗戰爭怎麽讓蘇聯解體了</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 00:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nangaluchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">nangaluchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要看實質經濟成長率 (不確定這篇報導內的是不是)</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 00:07</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nangaluchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">nangaluchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果實質經濟成長率 還能在 0% 附近</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nangaluchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">nangaluchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那代表經濟制裁的效力是真的有限</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nangaluchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">nangaluchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除非戰爭打個十幾二十年</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nangaluchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">nangaluchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然俄羅斯家底夠厚 打得起</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tanted/push?y=26" target="_blank">tanted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://youtu.be/2Pkbvz6Eofk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/2Pkbvz6Eofk</a> 俄要挫賽了</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/17 00:23</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/2Pkbvz6Eofk?autohide=1&"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/2Pkbvz6Eofk/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lakeisland/push?y=26" target="_blank">lakeisland</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 毛子輕工業沒東大輸血，民生日用品都搞不出來</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/17 00:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/facefear/push?y=26" target="_blank">facefear</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 垃圾政府 讓這麼多的男丁 白白送死 只為滿足私慾</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/17 00:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/facefear/push?y=26" target="_blank">facefear</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 垃圾政府 讓這麼多的男丁 白白送死 只為滿足私慾</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lakeisland/push?y=26" target="_blank">lakeisland</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正和現況歐公子一起放血，對中美都是好事</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 00:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hune/push?y=26" target="_blank">hune</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪普丁想停戰了</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 00:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 洋萎普丁</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/17 00:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneruler/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneruler</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 烏克蘭慢慢開始佔上風了</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 00:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MarchelKaton/push?y=26" target="_blank">MarchelKaton</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 八卦俄粉：不可能兒莫斯科主子越打越有錢</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/17 01:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jehow/push?y=26" target="_blank">jehow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 什麼都不缺 能源 糧食 大豆 礦產 中國好羨慕</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/17 01:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kib28242/push?y=26" target="_blank">kib28242</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勞動力短缺可以引進中國和北韓勞工</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/17 01:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxasqw0246/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxasqw0246</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這還是戰時膨風數據</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/17 02:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arcanite/push?y=26" target="_blank">arcanite</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才少0.2%這蚊子腿</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/17 02:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jyan97/push?y=26" target="_blank">jyan97</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要燒家底當然還能燒，只是就跟歐洲繼續一起爛下去</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/17 04:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jyan97/push?y=26" target="_blank">jyan97</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 噁粉:鵝國越打越有錢啦</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/17 06:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xc2v/push?y=26" target="_blank">xc2v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看gdp已經沒代表性了</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/17 09:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chenyeart/push?y=26" target="_blank">chenyeart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才0.2%</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/17 12:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/genius721105/push?y=26" target="_blank">genius721105</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 死了那麼多人經濟之前還成長？</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/17 14:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sid3/push?y=26" target="_blank">sid3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 烏克蘭掉20%</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/17 14:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/km612tw/push?y=26" target="_blank">km612tw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 光現在打下的土地就賺爛 更別說大順風還能繼續</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/17 15:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ceca/push?y=26" target="_blank">ceca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近烏克蘭要放點消息.</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/17 15:41</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> joanzkow. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Zq 2026-05-16T21:37:58+08:00 2026-05-17T21:39:57+08:00

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<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> joanzkow (星浪)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 美擬「大鐵錘行動」最快下周對伊朗新攻擊<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 21:37:58 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 美擬「大鐵錘行動」最快下周對伊朗新攻擊 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/5439463" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/5439463</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/5439463" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>美擬「大鐵錘行動」最快下周對伊朗新攻擊 - 自由財經</strong></a> <a href="https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/5439463" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="454" style="width:655px;height:454px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://img.ltn.com.tw/Upload/business/page/800/2026/05/16/phpLgKaa2.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>〔財經頻道／綜合報導〕美國總統川普週五（15日）結束了對中國的訪問，期間與中國國家主席習近平舉行了重要會晤。據報導，如果目前的與伊朗停火協議破裂，他的高級助手們已經制定了針對伊朗採取新的軍事行動 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026/05/16 20:40 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 美擬「大鐵錘行動」最快下周對伊朗新攻擊 自由時報 2026/05/16 20:40 <div class="combine-lines">據報導，如果目前的與伊朗停火協議破裂，川普的高級助手們已經制定了針對伊朗採取新 的軍事行動的計劃，包括為這場衝突取一個新的名稱。（彭博）據報導，如果目前的與伊 朗停火協議破裂，川普的高級助手們已經制定了針對伊朗採取新的軍事行動的計劃，包括 為這場衝突取一個新的名稱。（彭博）</div> <div class="combine-lines">〔財經頻道／綜合報導〕美國總統川普週五（15日）結束了對中國的訪問，期間與中國國 家主席習近平舉行了重要會晤。據報導，如果目前的與伊朗停火協議破裂，他的高級助手 們已經制定了針對伊朗採取新的軍事行動的計劃，包括為這場衝突取一個新的名稱。</div> 根據美國新聞媒體NBC引述兩位美國官員的話報導，如果目前的停火協議破裂，川普選擇 重啟大規模軍事行動，美國軍方正在考慮將戰爭的正式名稱改為「大鐵錘行動」（ Operation Sledgehammer）。 <div class="combine-lines">值得注意的是，美國上個月暫停代號為「史詩狂怒行動」（Operation Epic Fury）的對 伊朗空襲行動，轉而採取封鎖港口的施壓策略。德黑蘭方面則回應稱，除非華府結束封鎖 ，否則不會重新開放荷姆茲海峽。</div> 如果正在進行的外交談判未能達成永久解決方案，美國已最終確定全面的緊急框架，以重 新啟動並大幅擴大其對伊朗的軍事行動。 美國國防部長赫格塞斯表示：「如有必要，我們有升級計畫。」但他同時承認，白宮還有 另一套方案，就是從中東完全撤出超過5萬名美國人員。 兩名中東官員告訴《紐約時報》，以色列和美國正在進行迄今為止最密集的準備，以期重 新對伊朗發動攻擊，最快可能在下週開始。 <div class="combine-lines">據該報引述美國官員的話稱，重啟對伊朗軍事和基礎設施行動的選項包括：對軍事和基礎 設施目標發動更猛烈的轟炸；佔領伊朗位於波斯灣的主要石油出口樞紐哈爾格島；以及派 遣突擊隊前往伊朗大陸，從廢墟下提取核材料。</div> <a href="https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/5439463" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/5439463</a> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 大鐵鎚是啥？我還打地鼠呢 下禮拜會不會風雲變色 全球股市跟著陷下去？ 川普已經打定決心要消滅伊朗了嗎 對於全球股市會有什麼影響嗎 <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.160.56 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: joanzkow 2026-05-16 21:37:58</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778938680.A.77C.html" target="_blank">#1g27CuTy (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778938680.A.77C.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778938680.A.77C.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kilo7/push?y=26" 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href="/ptt/user/JOKIC/push?y=26" target="_blank">JOKIC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美中談崩拿伊朗開刀</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 22:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gamania5972/push?y=26" target="_blank">gamania5972</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哇第二次財富自由機會來了嗎XDDD 二月底沒跟到</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 22:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SkTSMaR1n/push?y=26" target="_blank">SkTSMaR1n</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/V3L72rD" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/V3L72rD.png</a></span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 22:05</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="576" style="width:1024px;height:576px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/V3L72rDh.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ethan0419/push?y=26" target="_blank">ethan0419</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全力鐵錘</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 22:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccjj8/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccjj8</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃我一鎚</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 22:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DrowningPool/push?y=26" target="_blank">DrowningPool</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸啦</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 22:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="http://imgur.com/bd6tn2W" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/bd6tn2W.jpg</a> 歷史總是嘲笑那些</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 22:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無視天氣的軍隊。俄羅斯的冬天摧毀了拿破崙和希特勒</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 。而對於伊朗來說，夏天才是致命的殺手。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普發動地面入侵的狹窄窗口正在迅速關閉。中東的夏</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 季同樣殘酷，同樣無情，能把任何陸地戰役變成一場災</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五月：沿海島嶼氣溫高達42-47° C。波斯灣等於世界上</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最極端的海洋高溫環境，在士兵雙腳著地之前就已經摧</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 毀了他們的耐力</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span 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href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國的衛星和人工智能也無法戰勝大自然。結論：4月下</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 旬美軍可以利用夜間涼爽時段偷偷衝刺，但必須打完就</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 撤，占領就別妄想了</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="612" data-ori_h="476" style="width:612px;height:476px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/bd6tn2W.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶:我要用大鐵鎚把股價敲下去!!</span><span 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22:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機歪耶！是要打個屁喔？股票又要被你們搞爛了</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 22:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鐵鎚打多蛙</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 22:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starport/push?y=26" target="_blank">starport</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 索爾的雷神之錘</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 22:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamnook2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamnook2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵)快打</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 22:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: WTI油價12號慢慢跌到90又被大鐵鎚發言尻上去 神操作</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 22:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股一根黑棒棒</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 22:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k5a/push?y=26" target="_blank">k5a</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不能取好聽一點的嗎？史詩怒火雖然中二 但比</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 22:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k5a/push?y=26" target="_blank">k5a</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大XX好多了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ezreal1315/push?y=26" target="_blank">ezreal1315</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: …</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 22:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kltnlious/push?y=26" target="_blank">kltnlious</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 巨錘瑞斯</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 22:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccharles/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccharles</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="http://imgur.com/G8A6clO" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/G8A6clO.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 22:39</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="268" data-ori_h="372" style="width:268px;height:372px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/G8A6clO.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 史詩狂怒應該改叫無能狂怒</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 22:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gigikaka/push?y=26" target="_blank">gigikaka</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債表示：</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 22:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rebel/push?y=26" target="_blank">rebel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資金準備好抄底了 別嘴砲阿 要真打啊</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 22:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gamania5972/push?y=26" target="_blank">gamania5972</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普應該是失智,超像失智症症狀</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 22:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 油上不去多少了 美國瘋狂增產發大財</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 22:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在川普根本不急 現在他唯一壓力就美債跟通膨</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hototogisu/push?y=26" target="_blank">hototogisu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喵喵錘</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 22:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次一定要看到年線</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 22:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ezreal1315/push?y=26" target="_blank">ezreal1315</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/tk2Z7l.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/tk2Z7l.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 22:51</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="674" data-ori_h="800" style="width:674px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/tk2Z7l.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davie11333/push?y=26" target="_blank">davie11333</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大懶趴行動</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 22:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Marginal/push?y=26" target="_blank">Marginal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鐵鎚破前睪？</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 22:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icelaw/push?y=26" target="_blank">icelaw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 戰鎚巨人行動</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 22:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DHPdotD/push?y=26" target="_blank">DHPdotD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正會TACO，達成協議，噴噴</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 22:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/realtreasure/push?y=26" target="_blank">realtreasure</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看也知道是放話而以</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 22:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tfoxboy123/push?y=26" target="_blank">tfoxboy123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無能行動</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 22:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普的取名品味其實很中國</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 22:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjoonnyy/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjoonnyy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: taco</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 22:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turndown4wat/push?y=26" target="_blank">turndown4wat</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五A級連招? 川普也懂普攻穿插平A</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 23:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turndown4wat/push?y=26" target="_blank">turndown4wat</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 左錘高傷害右錘傷害高</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zzzzzlss/push?y=26" target="_blank">zzzzzlss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大成功？</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 23:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tenka92417/push?y=26" target="_blank">tenka92417</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不派地面部隊要怎麼毀滅伊朗？</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 23:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長債殖利率上看5.5%，大盤下修15%？</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 23:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用嘴巴毀滅</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 23:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/carkyoing/push?y=26" target="_blank">carkyoing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大嘴砲攻擊</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 23:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s881720/push?y=26" target="_blank">s881720</a> 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class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對多蛙的大鐵錘</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 23:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turndown4wat/push?y=26" target="_blank">turndown4wat</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://youtu.be/BYOOEg2rhMk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/BYOOEg2rhMk</a></span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 23:10</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/BYOOEg2rhMk?autohide=1&"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/BYOOEg2rhMk/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/steany/push?y=26" target="_blank">steany</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大的要來了</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 23:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/realbout/push?y=26" target="_blank">realbout</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場無感</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 23:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilovekai/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilovekai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大榔頭：有我就搞定了</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 23:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貸款買股一鍵出清 認賠還錢 有這種賭徒？</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 23:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末鬼故事，台股準備剩4千</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 23:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台指期的正價差行情始於4/8停火 在5/12被大鐵鎚終結</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 23:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是對股市的大鐵錘行動吧 我懂了</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 23:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 準備槌爆多蛙</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 23:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken123321987/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken123321987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丟戰術核彈啦 爛戲拖棚 拿出決心丟第三顆核彈出來</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 23:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為啥我知道大力工頭是什麼</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 23:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/westmoney/push?y=26" target="_blank">westmoney</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鬼故事連發，週一大的！！</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 23:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Like5566Like/push?y=26" target="_blank">Like5566Like</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 刺激囉 槓蛙失眠</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 23:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b54102/push?y=26" target="_blank">b54102</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這已經是三天前的新聞了...</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 23:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/easonli000/push?y=26" target="_blank">easonli000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 史詩狂怒變大鐵鎚</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 23:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AZ09/push?y=26" target="_blank">AZ09</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錘起來 上次沒上車的這次送分題 要加碼的也可以開</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 23:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AZ09/push?y=26" target="_blank">AZ09</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 始撿了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多蛙又要被錘爛了</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 23:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aa6300158/push?y=26" target="_blank">aa6300158</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 巨捶瑞斯</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 23:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/premh104/push?y=26" target="_blank">premh104</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/RoX7refU.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/RoX7refU.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 23:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/premh104/push?y=26" target="_blank">premh104</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/ysL8gNap.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/ysL8gNap.jpg</a></span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/RoX7refU.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="675" style="width:1200px;height:675px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_RoX7refU.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a> <a href="https://i.verb.tw/ysL8gNap.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="675" style="width:1200px;height:675px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_ysL8gNap.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/premh104/push?y=26" target="_blank">premh104</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/NZHSjo0k.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/NZHSjo0k.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 23:44</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/NZHSjo0k.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="675" style="width:1200px;height:675px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_NZHSjo0k.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FlynnZhang/push?y=26" target="_blank">FlynnZhang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習：這跟當初講的不一樣</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 23:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wetz/push?y=26" target="_blank">wetz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早就獲利幾千萬了，沒賺錢的才會希望他下去，可憐哪</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 23:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haha98/push?y=26" target="_blank">haha98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 彎腰撿鑽石</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 23:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/APC/push?y=26" target="_blank">APC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川投顧：嚐嚐老衲的大鐵錘！</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 23:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peterors/push?y=26" target="_blank">peterors</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺這個命名 有點low 氣勢都沒了</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/17 00:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mercy/push?y=26" target="_blank">mercy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無能狂怒大棒槌行動</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/17 00:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imba789/push?y=26" target="_blank">imba789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大棒槌！？</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/17 00:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 敢拉回就是記憶卡哇啟動，繼續加碼</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/17 00:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WenliYang/push?y=26" target="_blank">WenliYang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 噴噴噴噴噴爛</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/17 00:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大鐵錘XDDD</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/17 00:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pda2001/push?y=26" target="_blank">pda2001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 擬</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/17 00:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wrbdnombd/push?y=26" target="_blank">wrbdnombd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低能兒要拿大鐵錘敲人囉 看會敲到誰</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/17 00:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下好離 手手手 ... 手還沒縮</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/17 00:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下禮拜錘爛多蛙</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/17 00:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nb2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">nb2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老衲降魔杵運動！</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/17 00:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peter98/push?y=26" target="_blank">peter98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大棒槌</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/17 00:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lavign/push?y=26" target="_blank">lavign</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 號稱自由民主的神又要流血了</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/17 00:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fajita/push?y=26" target="_blank">fajita</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該叫大製杖.邊打邊辦世界盃?我是不信啦</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/17 01:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大黑棒行動</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/17 01:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neomaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">neomaster</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已無感</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/17 01:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/al311166/push?y=26" target="_blank">al311166</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說好的地獄芝門呢？</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/17 01:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YMH/push?y=26" target="_blank">YMH</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 浩哥下周一直播又有梗可以發揮了</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/17 01:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ksjr/push?y=26" target="_blank">ksjr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 換個名稱又可以重新開始倒數計時了</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/17 02:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打啊 有可能啊 拉高股價再打</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/17 02:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bitcch/push?y=26" target="_blank">bitcch</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大鐵錘 大爆噴</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/17 03:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 油蛙地獄歸來</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/17 04:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rhsieh776/push?y=26" target="_blank">rhsieh776</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末龜故事</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/17 04:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EasyVinus/push?y=26" target="_blank">EasyVinus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來沒事，就你最爛專搞事</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/17 05:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nakayamayyt/push?y=26" target="_blank">nakayamayyt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓你嚐嚐老衲的大鐵鎚</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/17 05:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/isolaX/push?y=26" target="_blank">isolaX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會上報就是沒有 準備簽協定</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/17 05:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Seaware/push?y=26" target="_blank">Seaware</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鬼故事來囉</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/17 06:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/monkeydpp/push?y=26" target="_blank">monkeydpp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大懶叫行動，米國懶叫一直不斷在荷姆姿陰道口摩擦</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/17 06:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/monkeydpp/push?y=26" target="_blank">monkeydpp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 卻插不進去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kunyi/push?y=26" target="_blank">kunyi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要徹底解決油價問題了嗎</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/17 06:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越來越無聊。</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/17 06:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iloveforix/push?y=26" target="_blank">iloveforix</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去甲賽啦，根本打不贏，有種就地面戰啦</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/17 06:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abcnelson654/push?y=26" target="_blank">abcnelson654</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已哭</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/17 06:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次換誰被捶到 希望不是多蛙 嗚嗚嗚</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/17 06:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jcchiou/push?y=26" target="_blank">jcchiou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家都有時間壓力,看誰先按耐不住</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/17 06:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒國會同意敢打嗎</span><span class="push-right">195F 05/17 07:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beautyest/push?y=26" target="_blank">beautyest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大奶子行動 梅蘭妮亞露奶 是芥末日</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/17 07:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohlong/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohlong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大纜絞行動</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/17 07:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/anyu0805/push?y=26" target="_blank">anyu0805</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞得我好亂，沒開戰，但是我在搞大鐵鎚</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/17 07:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn02620938/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn02620938</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趕快幹 最好核平</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/17 08:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fenix220/push?y=26" target="_blank">fenix220</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大榔頭</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/17 08:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ypw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ypw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就繼續鬧到世界盃開踢吧！全世界都在笑。</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/17 08:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkangel119/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkangel119</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打地鼠？看看蘇俄跟阿富汗的下場</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/17 08:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/venusvirus/push?y=26" target="_blank">venusvirus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上次沒抄底的機會來了，還不去籌錢</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/17 08:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iwinlottery/push?y=26" target="_blank">iwinlottery</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打20年吧</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/17 08:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 軍工族預備</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/17 08:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/snoopyboy123/push?y=26" target="_blank">snoopyboy123</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川投顧：看老衲的大鐵錘…搥爆你神棍衛隊</span><span class="push-right">206F 05/17 08:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用怕甚麼戰爭，繼續持有台美股票，不用聽信中吹仔</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/17 08:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散播恐慌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qoo10067/push?y=26" target="_blank">qoo10067</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普賣油，先把價格往上拉，賣完油之後要喊不打了</span><span class="push-right">209F 05/17 08:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joy462110/push?y=26" target="_blank">joy462110</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大鐵鎚，山田直道！一步要小心喔。 <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/aiJy3q.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/aiJy3q.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">210F 05/17 08:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joy462110/push?y=26" target="_blank">joy462110</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="572" data-ori_h="477" style="width:572px;height:477px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/aiJy3q.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/baseken/push?y=26" target="_blank">baseken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大場面</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/17 09:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ataky/push?y=26" target="_blank">ataky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下次就是超大鐵鎚了是吧</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/17 09:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w9070030/push?y=26" target="_blank">w9070030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喊的那麼大聲 就不要最後變成小木槌</span><span class="push-right">214F 05/17 09:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JACC/push?y=26" target="_blank">JACC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 降妖伏魔錘 騙鬼就好不要拿來騙人</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/17 09:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ponpondoggy/push?y=26" target="_blank">ponpondoggy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我還大ㄖ棒行動勒</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/17 09:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Atwo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Atwo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看到我巨錘瑞斯都不會怕的耶</span><span class="push-right">217F 05/17 09:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/snaketsai/push?y=26" target="_blank">snaketsai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正發新聞稿不用多少錢，隨便怎麼扯都行</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/17 09:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 超過60天 暫停一下 重新取個名字</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/17 09:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KingTsia/push?y=26" target="_blank">KingTsia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黑天鵝行動？</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/17 09:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/white1861/push?y=26" target="_blank">white1861</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週真的完蛋了</span><span class="push-right">221F 05/17 10:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chawer/push?y=26" target="_blank">chawer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下下週蟑螂行動，下下下週拖鞋行動</span><span class="push-right">222F 05/17 10:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span 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target="_blank">wheat1130</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後又取消</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/multiverse97/push?y=26" target="_blank">multiverse97</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在要打還會先跟你說，讓你先準備喔？</span><span class="push-right">228F 05/17 10:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ymx3xc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ymx3xc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 巨錘瑞斯</span><span class="push-right">229F 05/17 10:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arthur52/push?y=26" target="_blank">arthur52</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普扮黑臉，萬斯扮白臉</span><span class="push-right">230F 05/17 11:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/momowawa1981/push?y=26" target="_blank">momowawa1981</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習爸爸點頭恩准了？</span><span class="push-right">231F 05/17 11:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mypower/push?y=26" target="_blank">mypower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打不下來浪費錢喔</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/17 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssaamm810130/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssaamm810130</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 巨錘瑞斯</span><span class="push-right">233F 05/17 11:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GN02209611/push?y=26" target="_blank">GN02209611</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下次可以換大內子行動嗎</span><span class="push-right">234F 05/17 11:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brain9453/push?y=26" target="_blank">brain9453</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爆錘旺宏（x</span><span class="push-right">235F 05/17 12:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/matlab1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">matlab1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又要殺小孩了嗎？</span><span class="push-right">236F 05/17 12:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jmcgow11/push?y=26" target="_blank">jmcgow11</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股也要大鐵錘了</span><span class="push-right">237F 05/17 12:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ansem/push?y=26" target="_blank">ansem</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大Taco行動</span><span class="push-right">238F 05/17 12:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raku/push?y=26" target="_blank">raku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟三星合作XDD</span><span class="push-right">239F 05/17 12:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tinymai/push?y=26" target="_blank">tinymai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 融資仔已經兩天沒睡了</span><span class="push-right">240F 05/17 13:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ots625/push?y=26" target="_blank">ots625</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌停秀要來了</span><span class="push-right">241F 05/17 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JeanSijhih/push?y=26" target="_blank">JeanSijhih</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上聯：史詩狂怒大鐵錘 請接下聯</span><span class="push-right">242F 05/17 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wheat1130/push?y=26" target="_blank">wheat1130</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶taco小GG</span><span class="push-right">243F 05/17 14:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c928/push?y=26" target="_blank">c928</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大棒子計畫</span><span class="push-right">244F 05/17 14:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cool189/push?y=26" target="_blank">cool189</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TA…CO</span><span class="push-right">245F 05/17 15:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這大鐵錘是要敲在多蛙還空蛙頭上</span><span class="push-right">246F 05/17 15:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/searchroy/push?y=26" target="_blank">searchroy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雷神索爾，閃擊？</span><span class="push-right">247F 05/17 15:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ERIC4268/push?y=26" target="_blank">ERIC4268</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 核設施沒消息 石油又有消息了</span><span class="push-right">248F 05/17 15:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jackas103/push?y=26" target="_blank">jackas103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 巨鎚 AAA</span><span class="push-right">249F 05/17 15:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totomo168/push?y=26" target="_blank">totomo168</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 史詩變鐵錘</span><span class="push-right">250F 05/17 16:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Yoimiya/push?y=26" target="_blank">Yoimiya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 巨錘瑞斯</span><span class="push-right">251F 05/17 19:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RTX3080TI/push?y=26" target="_blank">RTX3080TI</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/ZHWgAjJ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/ZHWgAjJ.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">252F 05/17 19:52</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="728" style="width:1024px;height:728px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/ZHWgAjJh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/salamender/push?y=26" target="_blank">salamender</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金毛白皮的肉錘要敲下來拉</span><span class="push-right">253F 05/17 19:57</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> VScode. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3YN 2026-05-16T18:51:51+08:00 2026-05-16T22:27:17+08:00

https://i.imgur.com/o0NTBMA.png OpenClaw一個月花了130萬鎂的token 台幣四千多萬 太誇張了吧 這代表算力遠遠不夠嗎 爽到賣鏟子的 SAAS公司卷到爆 token花比別人少就會被幹掉了 不知道哪天可以用AI刻一套windows出來 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> VScode (VSisBestIDEinTheWorld)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [心得] 算力需求太誇張了吧<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 18:51:51 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <a href="https://imgur.com/o0NTBMA" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/o0NTBMA.png</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="473" data-ori_h="1024" style="width:473px;height:1024px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/o0NTBMAh.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> OpenClaw一個月花了130萬鎂的token 台幣四千多萬 太誇張了吧 這代表算力遠遠不夠嗎 爽到賣鏟子的 SAAS公司卷到爆 token花比別人少就會被幹掉了 不知道哪天可以用AI刻一套windows出來 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 27.52.2.88 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: VScode 2026-05-16 18:51:51</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778928713.A.994.html" target="_blank">#1g24n9cK (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778928713.A.994.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778928713.A.994.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaibright/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaibright</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你還不All in</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 18:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsubasawolfy/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsubasawolfy</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI不用刻windows因為之後會是 Agentic OS</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/J0GxOi.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/J0GxOi.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 18:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蒜粒真的不夠</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1001" data-ori_h="800" style="width:1001px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/J0GxOi.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a 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style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiboryin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiboryin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多裁一點人</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再不監管錢放在銀行安不安全都不能保證</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/78Xd0YML.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/78Xd0YML.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 19:04</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/78Xd0YML.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="640" style="width:800px;height:640px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_78Xd0YML.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joy2105feh/push?y=26" target="_blank">joy2105feh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 顆一套WINDOWS感覺要做的話做得到</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不誇張，現在GPT跟Gemini尖峰時段還是笨笨的不然就</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 19:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是很慢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YJM1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">YJM1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓龍蝦自由發揮 超花錢的</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 19:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc0922001/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc0922001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI 的重要性不是只會問白癡問題的人能理解的</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲價3倍就不會笨了</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒用的東西 精確打擊不行 蝦浪費token</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 19:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f19870421/push?y=26" target="_blank">f19870421</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用壯膽 週一照樣跌</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在有點像前5%跟AI協作的使用者用量增加了一百倍</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 19:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ajai/push?y=26" target="_blank">ajai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png</a></span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 19:14</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="635" data-ori_h="800" style="width:635px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fujioqq/push?y=26" target="_blank">fujioqq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 滑鼠在螢幕上自動點怎麼跟RPA很像@@</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cct1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">cct1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在比燒錢</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abcqq2323/push?y=26" target="_blank">abcqq2323</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太誇張了啦</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budaixi/push?y=26" target="_blank">budaixi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有錢人跟窮人的差距會繼續拉大，如果不持有算力股</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 19:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budaixi/push?y=26" target="_blank">budaixi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 票的話。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/idlewolf/push?y=26" target="_blank">idlewolf</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的不夠阿 你看那些ai app 哪個最近沒變笨的..</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 19:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/idlewolf/push?y=26" target="_blank">idlewolf</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還在那偷雞不看完你輸入的規則就亂回答 很賤</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI就在發明一堆詞彙騙焦慮而已</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前來看算力永遠不夠</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ikachann/push?y=26" target="_blank">ikachann</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定不夠阿 現在AI也還沒到普及 所以以後的算力需求</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 19:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ikachann/push?y=26" target="_blank">ikachann</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 絕對是目前的好幾倍以上</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kill2400/push?y=26" target="_blank">kill2400</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只要比AI便宜就不怕被裁員</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h10003201/push?y=26" target="_blank">h10003201</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: CRWV NBIS IREN不是漲假的</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TsmcEE/push?y=26" target="_blank">TsmcEE</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我20鎂／m 的claude每天token都不夠用啊 整天再加</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 19:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 暴力解之下當然不夠，但token也不是免費，自然取得</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 19:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 平衡</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在的token都是虧錢賣的 恢復到正常價格 就..</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 19:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成本會越來越低吧</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lalacos123/push?y=26" target="_blank">lalacos123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有人在AI都假的哦</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 19:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: goog msft 獲利擺在那裡 還覺得假的是？？？</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 19:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://bit.ly/4nyp5l7" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://bit.ly/4nyp5l7</a> 有興趣可以看看</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 19:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI不是假的 我是說營銷號吹的那些詞彙 原理都一樣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Prompt context harness blah blah</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/ppRvzPXGpEw?autohide=1&&amp;si=7M-EIPVTihbL8KAh"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/ppRvzPXGpEw/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andy79323/push?y=26" target="_blank">andy79323</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 各家都在降頻 生圖生代碼就狂燒token</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 19:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Gemini最近是不是變卡了啊？還是我的錯覺</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 19:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini 最近真的滿爛的 算力都被挪走好吧</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 19:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣夢的</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 19:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股價都已經反應到算力過剩了好嗎</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 19:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/UhmhZi.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/UhmhZi.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 19:39</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="800" style="width:1200px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/UhmhZi.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: G奶是現在不管你幹嘛都跑去用AI了 我連一般google他</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 19:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也是用AI</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣算力夠用才有鬼吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bizer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bizer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Gemini最近真的是卡爆了</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 19:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hipmyhop/push?y=26" target="_blank">hipmyhop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這只是剛開始</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 19:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pikaaco/push?y=26" target="_blank">pikaaco</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Gemini前幾天開始就卡到爆了</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 19:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WeiRaymond/push?y=26" target="_blank">WeiRaymond</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三個ai都訂閱真的很划算 工作輕鬆很多</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 19:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dosiris/push?y=26" target="_blank">dosiris</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該說養龍蝦就沒在跟你省的</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 19:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dosiris/push?y=26" target="_blank">dosiris</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要省就別養</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就缺到爆 之後會有算力期貨喔☺</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 19:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/tg0WNi.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/tg0WNi.jpg</a> 潔面奶超降智</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="835" data-ori_h="527" style="width:835px;height:527px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/tg0WNi.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NTUT56/push?y=26" target="_blank">NTUT56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini昨天開始好像理解力下滑，丟新聞給他，給我亂</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 19:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NTUT56/push?y=26" target="_blank">NTUT56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asko/push?y=26" target="_blank">asko</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 生成式AI要落地，可能要結合physical AI 應用在Di</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 19:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asko/push?y=26" target="_blank">asko</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gital Twin 技術上</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 降智至少三天了</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 19:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但你拿他沒輒 阿發貝不是靠這個賺錢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AndyMAX/push?y=26" target="_blank">AndyMAX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太太太</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 訂閱沒路有的gpt 比較好</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 19:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒路走XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用搜尋頁面的估狗AI 比較聰明-.- 訂閱訂心酸</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 持有goog 訂閱gpt</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 訂閱GPT比較好喔 至少不降智 生成圖又猛☺</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: goog 買股票就好XD</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 19:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FirePopcorn/push?y=26" target="_blank">FirePopcorn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Gemini卡很多天了</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 19:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/obey1110/push?y=26" target="_blank">obey1110</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在就用免費的GOOGLE AI搜尋 根本沒花錢在AI上</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 19:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/obey1110/push?y=26" target="_blank">obey1110</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當初網路世代 要花錢買設備耶</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以AI怎麼降成本 不就會更貴</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 19:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pov/push?y=26" target="_blank">pov</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算力的盡頭是電力</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 19:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 養套殺啦 你習慣後以後搜尋AI也會要付費拿結果</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 19:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Grok 在X上已經這樣搞了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lmc66/push?y=26" target="_blank">lmc66</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒電力沒算力就用租的就好 人人都能搞AI</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 19:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lmc66/push?y=26" target="_blank">lmc66</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒搞起來損失的成本也不會太大 反正有玩有機會</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ikachann/push?y=26" target="_blank">ikachann</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在GPT就最好用的阿 程式上CODEX也不輸Claude</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 19:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sinclaireche/push?y=26" target="_blank">sinclaireche</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: token便宜才會去用龍蝦愛馬仕這種浪費token的東西</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 19:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: token成本早就下降了 模型商早就能賺錢了 現在要等</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 19:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應用端了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: token貶值 但是用量一年翻幾十倍</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 19:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devidevi/push?y=26" target="_blank">devidevi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重點是誰賺到錢</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 19:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini爛很久了吧，怎麼會昨天開始才理解力下滑</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 19:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/happytiger/push?y=26" target="_blank">happytiger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也是覺得gemini 最近回個問題智商怪怪的</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 20:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cblade/push?y=26" target="_blank">cblade</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這只是剛開始</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 20:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 菲律賓 電力不夠 全國一半停電惹~~</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 20:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/redbeanbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">redbeanbread</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗯啊 多買一點股票啊</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 20:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在買思科的股票還來得及嗎</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以minimax有包月的,因為龍蝦搶到不少客戶</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nothink0/push?y=26" target="_blank">nothink0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在哪幾個AI比較好用？</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 20:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Oo5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">Oo5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 電力還是買BBU比重電好賺</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 20:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Token會一直降價的 過幾年就跟4g資費一樣吃到飽了</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 20:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason168/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason168</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 即將泡沫化（反串）XD</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 20:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快點去找找麥當勞可不可以偷蹭token</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 20:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ahg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ahg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你還不歐印 槓上去？</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 20:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/repast/push?y=26" target="_blank">repast</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣鏟子的賺爛 歐印GG就對了</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 20:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b9513227/push?y=26" target="_blank">b9513227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 130萬鎂又沒多少</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 20:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faelone/push?y=26" target="_blank">faelone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Gemini變笨蠻多的，後悔付費惹</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 20:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我很好奇這樣完成的工作含金量有多少 節省了多少錢</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 20:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有辦法量化嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mercy/push?y=26" target="_blank">mercy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 同一個prompt 確實gpt生圖相對好 gimini生出大媽味</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g9911761/push?y=26" target="_blank">g9911761</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在就是養豬 等豬肥了 例如工程師沒有人會寫了 你</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 20:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g9911761/push?y=26" target="_blank">g9911761</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看看會怎樣賺回來</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看裁了多少人就能量化了</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a28200266/push?y=26" target="_blank">a28200266</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才130 灑灑水啦</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在就token的軍備競賽啊</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 20:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/seemoon2000/push?y=26" target="_blank">seemoon2000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實openclaw開始才是大家真的期望的AI樣子</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pp520/push?y=26" target="_blank">pp520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在是賣給企業，企業很願意付</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sirins/push?y=26" target="_blank">sirins</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這東西是不是十月河東十月河西</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 20:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sirins/push?y=26" target="_blank">sirins</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當一個比較好用，一堆人一窩蜂用很後，另外一家更</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sirins/push?y=26" target="_blank">sirins</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 新或者沒降智相對變用……瘋狂輪迴</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI預估能提升25%工作效率 而大公司近期Layoff比例差</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 20:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不多10%上下 感覺蠻合理</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 寫程式那邊ai影響真的超級大，完全不唬</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/robinsonXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">robinsonXD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有在玩AI的應該根本不知道燒多少錢吧</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Samurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Samurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前對某些軟體領域來講，AI提升產出是10倍甚至更</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 20:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Samurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Samurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是AI企業應用會面臨到責任鏈問題 這有解方了嗎</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lost0816/push?y=26" target="_blank">lost0816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聽潘董說太多人在用，記憶體一下下被吃完後算力停擺</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 20:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 與其找100個人, 不如找1個最強的讓他用100人份quota</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 20:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Samurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Samurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在算力不夠，各種flow/skill百家爭鳴，還沒大眾</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 20:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Samurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Samurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 化，等科技巨頭統一天下以後，對工作影響會很大</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini變卡很多</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 20:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全班的考卷都給第一名寫, 肯定比讓雜魚寫好</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 20:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lalacos123/push?y=26" target="_blank">lalacos123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 像圍棋這樣就夠了 AI教人類下棋</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 20:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hayato01/push?y=26" target="_blank">hayato01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Gemini是真的卡到懷疑人生，我都改用Claude</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovebabyqqq/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovebabyqqq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 繼續炒作</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chen1230/push?y=26" target="_blank">chen1230</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算力真的很不足,搞到gemini自動降智 MD</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 20:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hayato01/push?y=26" target="_blank">hayato01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還覺得是炒作的就繼續自欺欺人</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 20:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a77942002/push?y=26" target="_blank">a77942002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 工作很快就做完了 產出的東西變多了 但最後就你會發</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 20:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a77942002/push?y=26" target="_blank">a77942002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現你其實不用那麼快做完 也不需要多餘的東西~</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為啥要刻Windows出來? 要重新造輪子也不是造最爛的</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 20:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b9513227/push?y=26" target="_blank">b9513227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini爛到連翻譯都卡</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 20:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b9513227/push?y=26" target="_blank">b9513227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還偷偷降智亂翻譯害我女友誤會</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用Deepseek搭配龍蝦就非常便宜</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 20:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rogger/push?y=26" target="_blank">rogger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣鏟子的比較穩</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果token越來越便宜 GG毛利會不會下降啊</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 20:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turndown4wat/push?y=26" target="_blank">turndown4wat</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 工程師可能改賣課比較賺</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 20:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早就一堆在賣焦慮了</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 20:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alvinlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">alvinlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無聊</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 21:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但更強的AI出來 這些課又沒用了</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 21:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tony120480/push?y=26" target="_blank">tony120480</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini 這幾個月根本是低能兒</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 21:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b9513227/push?y=26" target="_blank">b9513227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: token會變便宜 夢裡啥都有 現在各種偷砍用量</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 21:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rexwis/push?y=26" target="_blank">rexwis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 陽光下的泡沫 是彩色的 就像貪多的你 是幸福的</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 21:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被我做糞圖玩壞了</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 21:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/gATtMTGz.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/gATtMTGz.jpg</a></span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/gATtMTGz.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="652" style="width:800px;height:652px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_gATtMTGz.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovebridget/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovebridget</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重造windows很簡單啊 問題怎說服80億人換系統</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 21:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abyssa1/push?y=26" target="_blank">abyssa1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以再漲下去人力比蒜粒便宜啊 可以啦</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 21:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bleeza/push?y=26" target="_blank">bleeza</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能提供便宜算力才是關鍵</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 21:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TameFoxx/push?y=26" target="_blank">TameFoxx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才130萬？？？</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 21:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furnaceh/push?y=26" target="_blank">furnaceh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用來寫一些垃圾報告超好用的 付點錢真的爽</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ll1117/push?y=26" target="_blank">ll1117</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開發出了什麼?俄羅斯方塊嗎</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 21:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/losage/push?y=26" target="_blank">losage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一套windows才多少錢？</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 21:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/harry801030/push?y=26" target="_blank">harry801030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來真的不是只有我的gemini突然變白癡</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 21:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近都用grok剛剛用gemini也跟低能一樣</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 21:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/donod/push?y=26" target="_blank">donod</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你怎麼會覺得AI刻不出windows????</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/16 21:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xperiaxa/push?y=26" target="_blank">xperiaxa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的 Gemini 最近不知道怎麼了</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/16 21:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以後用算力都要證照，生太多幹圖的取消證照三個月</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 21:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamnook2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamnook2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵) 結果最後發現還是奴工智慧便宜(O</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/16 21:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算力就跟ip一樣永遠不夠用…但電力更不夠用</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 21:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bnn/push?y=26" target="_blank">bnn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別再電力不夠用了 99CEG 99LEU 99VST</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 21:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伺服器生產週期跟電廠建設週期，放在一起比啊，錢</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 21:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再多也不可能縮到跟伺服器機房一樣快</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LansingAltec/push?y=26" target="_blank">LansingAltec</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我的gemini連sndk跟wdc拆分了都不知道 我買sndk一</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 21:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LansingAltec/push?y=26" target="_blank">LansingAltec</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直說我買了wdc</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/blargelp/push?y=26" target="_blank">blargelp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不意外吧 你各位Claude限流限成這樣。沒限流的LLM跟</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 21:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/blargelp/push?y=26" target="_blank">blargelp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 智障沒兩樣 就知道算力遠遠不夠了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lost0816/push?y=26" target="_blank">lost0816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 170樓懂你，也遇到一樣氣到直接貼網址糾正它給我改</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/16 21:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lost0816/push?y=26" target="_blank">lost0816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正gemini就要罵過才會知道SNDK給錯股價數值</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/remix7/push?y=26" target="_blank">remix7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Gemini有時候錯的東西講得煞有其事一樣 馬的一整個</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 21:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/remix7/push?y=26" target="_blank">remix7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誤導人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/prussian/push?y=26" target="_blank">prussian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算力優先給付錢的人用啊，所以免費仔都覺得AI要倒了</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 21:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qwe78971/push?y=26" target="_blank">qwe78971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蠻少的 130萬美 放到七巨頭 只是幾分鐘的事情</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 21:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jackz/push?y=26" target="_blank">jackz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪有 你付錢就是騙到錢了 AI變笨才不鳥你</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/16 21:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/prussian/push?y=26" target="_blank">prussian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不想花錢就繼續浪費時間跟智障對話</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 21:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Deepshit 最近連開啟都卡</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/16 21:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 收不收錢可以改變回答，那付得錢多跟少是不是又會</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 21:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 改變？ 這其實蠻恐怖的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shadow0326/push?y=26" target="_blank">shadow0326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini要出新版了啦 又要吹爆-&gt;怪怪的-&gt;降智循環了</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 21:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/northsoft/push?y=26" target="_blank">northsoft</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪裡誇張？一千人的軟體公司</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 21:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/northsoft/push?y=26" target="_blank">northsoft</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 月薪四萬，一個月也是四千萬啊</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/northsoft/push?y=26" target="_blank">northsoft</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini 真的廢，Google去死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coffee112/push?y=26" target="_blank">coffee112</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到底...</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 22:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 電力先不夠吧</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/16 22:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini 是廢 但是 google很賺</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 22:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sapiees/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sapiees</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在的token需求是ai自己製造出來的，懂得都懂</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/16 22:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apple840622/push?y=26" target="_blank">apple840622</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gemini就是求一個便宜大碗的工具啊</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/16 22:13</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> q1a1. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3YM 2026-05-16T17:12:44+08:00 2026-05-17T11:33:36+08:00

1. 標題：公告本公司一年內累積取得同一有價證券達實收資本額20% 2. 來源：公開資訊觀測站 3. 網址：https://mops.twse.com.tw/mops/#/web/home 公開資訊觀測站 4. 內文： 1.證券名稱: 長榮海運股份有限公司 2.交易日期:115/3/13~115/5/15 3.董事會通過日期: 不適用 4.其他核決日期: 核決層級:依本公司核決權限規定 民國115年5月15日 5.交易數量、每單位價格及交易總金額: 交易數量：1,600,000股; 每股平均價格：新台幣205.20元； 交易總金額：新台幣328,318仟元。 6.處分利益（或損失）（取得有價證券者不適用）: 不適用。 7.與交易標的公司之關係: 無。 8.迄目前為止，累積持有本交易證券（含本次交易）之數量、金額、持股 比例及權利受限情形（如質押情形）: 數量：7,300,000股; 金額：1,463,650仟元; 持股比例：0.34%； 權利受限情形(質押)：5,000,000股。 9.迄目前為止，依「公開發行公司取得或處分資產處理準則」第三條所列之有價證券投 資（含本次交易）占公 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> q1a1 (一問一答)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [情報] 2636 台驊控股 買長榮1,600張均價:205.20<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 17:12:44 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 1. 標題：公告本公司一年內累積取得同一有價證券達實收資本額20% 2. 來源：公開資訊觀測站 3. 網址：<a href="https://mops.twse.com.tw/mops/#/web/home" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mops.twse.com.tw/mops/#/web/home</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://mops.twse.com.tw/mops/#/web/home" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>公開資訊觀測站</strong></a></div></div> </div> 4. 內文： 1.證券名稱: <span style="color:#F000F0">長榮</span>海運股份有限公司 2.<span style="color:#F0F000">交易日期:115/3/13~115/5/15</span> 3.董事會通過日期: 不適用 4.其他核決日期: 核決層級:依本公司核決權限規定 民國115年5月15日 5.交易數量、每單位價格及交易總金額: <span style="color:#F0F000">交易數量：1,600,000股;</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">每股平均價格：新台幣205.20元；</span> 交易總金額：新台幣328,318仟元。 6.處分利益（或損失）（取得有價證券者不適用）: 不適用。 7.與交易標的公司之關係: 無。 8.迄目前為止，<span style="color:#008080">累積持有</span>本交易證券（含本次交易）之數量、金額、持股 比例及權利受限情形（如質押情形）: <span style="color:#008080">數量：7,300,000股;</span> <span style="color:#008080">金額：1,463,650仟元;</span> <span style="color:#008080">持股比例：0.34%；</span> <span style="color:#008080">權利受限情形(質押)：5,000,000股。</span> 9.迄目前為止，依「公開發行公司取得或處分資產處理準則」第三條所列之有價證券投 資（含本次交易）占公司最近期財務報表中總資產及歸屬於母公司業主之權益之比例 暨最近期財務報表中營運資金數額: 占總資產比例:19.83%； 占母公司業主之權益比例:36.12%； 營運資金:新台幣(3,361,349)仟元。 10.取得或處分之具體目的: 提高資金使用效益。 11.本次交易表示異議董事之意見: 不適用。 12.本次交易為關係人交易: 否 13.交易相對人及其與公司之關係: 無。 14.監察人承認或審計委員會同意日期: 不適用。 15.前已就同一件事件發布重大訊息日期: 不適用 16.其他敘明事項: 無。 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 118.165.32.208 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: q1a1 2026-05-16 17:12:44</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778922766.A.6D3.html" target="_blank">#1g23KERJ (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778922766.A.6D3.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778922766.A.6D3.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 水手集合！</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 17:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lmc66/push?y=26" target="_blank">lmc66</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要賺爛了</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 17:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股版除了師傅跟AMD大還有水手嗎</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 17:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是要沉船了嗎</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 咕嚕咕嚕</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/the1123/push?y=26" target="_blank">the1123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最懂海的男人</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 17:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Good</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 17:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jacksheen/push?y=26" target="_blank">jacksheen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沽魯沽魯</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出航</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span 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target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 避風港</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 18:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/boydoop/push?y=26" target="_blank">boydoop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 訊號來了，歐印</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lineak/push?y=26" target="_blank">lineak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海皇來了</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 18:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HCLP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HCLP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好好笑</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 18:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HCLP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HCLP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是前幾天才剛賣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sleego/push?y=26" target="_blank">sleego</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台樺上次賣長榮有點都沒賺</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chemer/push?y=26" target="_blank">chemer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最懂海的男人 嗅到漲價的味道</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cospergod/push?y=26" target="_blank">cospergod</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吹這麼久現在運價還沒高於去年旺季，笑死</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roger0524/push?y=26" target="_blank">roger0524</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾百艘船滯留荷姆茲 航運股卻沒反應真的很怪</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PPTmilktea/push?y=26" target="_blank">PPTmilktea</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最懂海的男人回來了 訊號來了?</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 19:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good10740/push?y=26" target="_blank">good10740</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三月放空回補而已</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 19:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poorcharles/push?y=26" target="_blank">poorcharles</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/45HE1fe" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/45HE1fe.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 19:48</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="540" data-ori_h="800" style="width:540px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/45HE1feh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/laserkuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">laserkuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老實說 真的懂海</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 19:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linjoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">linjoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可是已經損失2%了XD</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aasai/push?y=26" target="_blank">aasai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週跌到200以下會小買，跟0050均衡</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 20:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gosh717/push?y=26" target="_blank">gosh717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來了</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 21:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/inmee/push?y=26" target="_blank">inmee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主力佛心南下載客</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 21:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bcismylove/push?y=26" target="_blank">bcismylove</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最懂海的 我看要被套爛了</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 21:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sfonfon/push?y=26" target="_blank">sfonfon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海運我只相信中環</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 21:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/love9115566/push?y=26" target="_blank">love9115566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一張不賣</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 22:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c800/push?y=26" target="_blank">c800</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 該起風了</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/17 00:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lin8807819/push?y=26" target="_blank">lin8807819</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週航運接棒，再次啟航</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/17 10:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/t298002/push?y=26" target="_blank">t298002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我已經被套到心如止水了</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 10:31</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> pk9980192. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Yi 2026-05-16T17:31:38+08:00 2026-05-17T14:12:50+08:00

https://youtube.com/live/luU57hMhkak?si=UufnZsuSK9GfnSKw 最近滑到這個機器人理貨的直播 會把包裹的標籤面朝下再推出去 已經弄80k個包裹了 這讓我想起以前馬斯克說這樣會讓人類文明生產力大幅提升 物價降到極低後 人類將不再需要工作 這樣物價降低 互相削價競爭 人類也沒薪水消費 是不是一種利空？ ----- Sent from JPTT on my iPad ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> pk9980192 (guyu)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [請益] 機器人落地後是利多還是利空<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 17:31:38 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <a href="https://youtube.com/live/luU57hMhkak?si=UufnZsuSK9GfnSKw" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://youtube.com/live/luU57hMhkak?si=UufnZsuSK9GfnSKw</a> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/luU57hMhkak?autohide=1&si=UufnZsuSK9GfnSKw"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/luU57hMhkak/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> 最近滑到這個機器人理貨的直播 會把包裹的標籤面朝下再推出去 已經弄80k個包裹了 這讓我想起以前馬斯克說這樣會讓人類文明生產力大幅提升 物價降到極低後 人類將不再需要工作 這樣物價降低 互相削價競爭 人類也沒薪水消費 是不是一種利空？ ----- Sent from JPTT on my iPad <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.137.253.247 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: pk9980192 2026-05-16 17:31:38</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778923900.A.500.html" target="_blank">#1g23byK0 (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778923900.A.500.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778923900.A.500.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國丸子</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/manboisold/push?y=26" target="_blank">manboisold</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人類要滅絕了，還有幾集可以逃</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在其他地方，會想辦法維持社福 建置社會安全網</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 17:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國就是弱者去死鼓勵社會鄙視鏈鏈，往死裡卷</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後就獻忠了 反正橫豎都是一死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想太多..這一台造價可以花錢請奴工3班輪,一樣24小時</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 17:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無休,省多了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/purin3333/push?y=26" target="_blank">purin3333</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要殺價競爭了嗎? 電動車中國也滿街跑了吧</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BlueBird5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">BlueBird5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 企業利多</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/saihao/push?y=26" target="_blank">saihao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那次不是利多</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就算有一天真的可以完全取代勞動力,大家都不用工作</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一開始市場會先當成供應鏈利多，但你說消費力大衰</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 17:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 退跟生產力大爆發哪一個會先來，沒有人真的知道</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一樣會有其他方法來奴役底層來達到階級劃分</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 17:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 消費驅動，在機器可以為自己而不是人類下訂單之時</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 17:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 消費力就會轉移 無限賦予最高權限就會天網化</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你人類消費就不是主力了 壞結局天網 好結局 變人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都不用花錢好了,黃仁勳這種等級的人買便當不用排隊</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 17:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賤民要花10倍20倍的時間慢慢等..類似這樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等機器人轉型成變性金剛哈哈</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Fezico/push?y=26" target="_blank">Fezico</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重複性機械性工作現在就有機械臂能用惹...</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想多了 上層階級自然會想出新的制度跟社會結構來維</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guestwhat/push?y=26" target="_blank">guestwhat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房子會貴到窮人買不起</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 持社會秩序繼續運轉下去 而且財產大部分掌握在有錢</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 17:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人手裡 真的極致通縮 窮人很慘 但有錢人消費反而可</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能會增加也不一定 反正不論怎樣走最慘的肯定是窮人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/downtoearth/push?y=26" target="_blank">downtoearth</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這其實是資料收集跟測試 以這個場景 一台攝影機</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 17:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/downtoearth/push?y=26" target="_blank">downtoearth</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 加兩個機械臂 就可以</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sleeplist/push?y=26" target="_blank">sleeplist</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機械手臂的工作</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在產線真的還是有這種喜憨兒工作存在</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 17:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就真的請個人在那邊挑揀</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一個月給3萬 勞健保</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m180/push?y=26" target="_blank">m180</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實平日去百貨公司走走 已經很多人沒在工作了</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器手臂比一個月3萬的人類貴多了</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 17:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人形機器人一隻2萬美金</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反而更便宜</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且不用客製化 買來就能上工</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還能順便叫他去洗廁所</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2萬美金可以做一堆雜事</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ZXCVBNM/push?y=26" target="_blank">ZXCVBNM</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 取得成本降低，未來金錢也逐漸消失</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 18:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: figure one的手部精細度</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基本上沒屁用</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等optimus V3 發表後</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大概會驚艷世界</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那是最接近人類精細手部的原型機</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 未來的人形機器人是要取代雕刻家和木工的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是做這種喜憨兒工作而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/matlab1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">matlab1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以後就是機器人工作養人類了 失業率通膨什麼都不重</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 18:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/matlab1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">matlab1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3年後</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 18:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 像人類大腦一樣 「隨機應變」的能力</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 滿街都是</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你以為現在人形機器人就是喜憨兒</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只會武打</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錯了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3-5年就是直接能取代智商110的普通雜工</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我的思想也是認為</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人類必須從勞動中解放</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才是大同世界</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ai不應該只是工具</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而是矽基生物 直接成為人類的代理奴隸</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪天沒低階勞動需求的時候,就是要人口清洗了</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要[機器人]幹啥 機器手臂早就能做到的事</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 18:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早期 你可以奴役黑人 和殖民地</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但現在有人權問題</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那麼矽基生命</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是提供一條路徑</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓我們創造出廣大合法的 奴工</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有人權問題 沒有勞工權益問題</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在科技不足的時代</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人們用黑奴 讓自己爽</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在ai科技時代</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是用機器人服務自己</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人類必須從勞動解放</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才是大同世界</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fisher6879/push?y=26" target="_blank">fisher6879</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利多阿，哪次不是利多？</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/papapatodo/push?y=26" target="_blank">papapatodo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 準備噴</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 18:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器手臂 比 機器人 還貴很多</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這是大家都知道的事情</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EZTW0000/push?y=26" target="_blank">EZTW0000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐美有可能，中國印度那種人礦多就還久</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vltw5v/push?y=26" target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是噴 哪次不噴了</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 18:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madeinheaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">madeinheaven</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟以前的紡織機出現類似 雖然說失業但是促進產業升</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 18:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madeinheaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">madeinheaven</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 級和經濟結構改變</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/heavenlyken/push?y=26" target="_blank">heavenlyken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然利多 機器人賺錢開戶買股</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 18:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qazbamboo/push?y=26" target="_blank">qazbamboo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人身上的手臂就不是機器手臂嗎？什麼邏輯</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 18:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madeinheaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">madeinheaven</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Figure AI LG有投資</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gospursgo21/push?y=26" target="_blank">gospursgo21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又再機器手臂 人形就是因為人使用的工具和人工作的</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 18:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gospursgo21/push?y=26" target="_blank">gospursgo21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 場合 人形機器人都能使用</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gospursgo21/push?y=26" target="_blank">gospursgo21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器手臂要嘛功能單一 要嘛必須為它特製化場域 成本</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gospursgo21/push?y=26" target="_blank">gospursgo21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還不一定比較低</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/assfaceman/push?y=26" target="_blank">assfaceman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股票利多實現 崩</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 18:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/saintlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">saintlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人太閒就準備鬧事阿，想想現在機器人最為領先的還是</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 18:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/saintlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">saintlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人最多的國家，嘿嘿</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YJM1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">YJM1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人模仿人類的VLA技術，算力需求又是天文數字了</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 18:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YJM1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">YJM1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讚啦 AI硬體需求永不停滯</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人太閒不會鬧事，而是讓人在赤貧下競爭 去人吃人地</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 18:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爭取那些就算獲得也還是低於生存線下的資源 而這個</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是掠奪型政權最拿手的 卷出狼性</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bbfan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bbfan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 德國都有中製便利商店機器人</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gk1329/push?y=26" target="_blank">gk1329</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這沒必要做成人型= =</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/softwords/push?y=26" target="_blank">softwords</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前還不會 中國人很多時薪比充電寶低</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ogkw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ogkw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很明顯 這個只是單純在測試。</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanley86300/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanley86300</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利空啊 沒看過機械公敵嗎</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做成人形是為了AGI做準備 直上人類能用的工具</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 18:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 產線上 分類輸送帶真的沒必要做成人形 但如果大量</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 製造後 可以刷未來的AGI核心的話 製作料理 結帳臺</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都可以直接部署 加上大量製造壓低成本</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 接下來換機器人族群補漲了！！</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 18:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有 機器人不會漲 因為安全規範不允許部署 至少在</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 18:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已開發國家是這樣 鬧出人命沒有人扛 跟AI概念不同</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jeff1989/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jeff1989</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 希望長照機器人早日出現</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/breathair/push?y=26" target="_blank">breathair</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不看好Optimus ，LLM都輸，機器人能好？</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 18:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devidevi/push?y=26" target="_blank">devidevi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問題是有沒翻到的，一樣流下去了</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 18:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/panda816/push?y=26" target="_blank">panda816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得要看整體作業規模 規模越大越偏利多 重點在</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 18:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/panda816/push?y=26" target="_blank">panda816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 於你只需要訓練一隻建立起模式 可以馬上複製到其他</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/panda816/push?y=26" target="_blank">panda816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾十隻幾百隻機器人上 亞馬遜倉儲系統就是無人機在</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/panda816/push?y=26" target="_blank">panda816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跑的 不像訓練人類結果產生差別</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國人怎麼可能被機器人取代 他們還有屁洞</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 18:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推文也太誇張了吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/panda816/push?y=26" target="_blank">panda816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過也要加入能源供應穩定度和電價考量 在台灣我是</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 18:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/panda816/push?y=26" target="_blank">panda816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 覺得不可能取代人力的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NightMeow/push?y=26" target="_blank">NightMeow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓下推 想太多</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/happytiger/push?y=26" target="_blank">happytiger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人都入場打工 硬體更便宜了</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eemail/push?y=26" target="_blank">eemail</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丟人,幫人家洗流量</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連標的都沒講, 是在多空什麼? 腦袋空空?</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 18:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mamorui/push?y=26" target="_blank">mamorui</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鋼彈已經是南宮夢NO1 IP 現實機器人只是太醜了</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 18:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamdds/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamdds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之後會有新的計價方式來區別階級</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺箱子是假的 每個箱子都輕得要命</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rexwis/push?y=26" target="_blank">rexwis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大旱</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCPenis/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCPenis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很厲害沒錯 但這種水準就能取代人 別說笑了</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herculus6502/push?y=26" target="_blank">herculus6502</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊 陶 蛙</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該是考慮 如果人來做這些事成本是多少</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幻想文而已！除非機器人不用錢，不然人工便宜的還</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 19:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是好用</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當基本薪資越來越高時 機器人的可用性會越來越高</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 19:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 至於平衡點在哪 這企業自己應該算的很清楚</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當超過臨界值 企業會義無反顧地把人砍掉改成機器人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good10740/push?y=26" target="_blank">good10740</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人口多的國家 利空</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 19:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勞動解放，人類會滅亡的</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 19:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nightmare08/push?y=26" target="_blank">nightmare08</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這噱頭而已，要落地還早</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 19:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason613/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason613</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利多早已經反應完了</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DonnyDon/push?y=26" target="_blank">DonnyDon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人要卷到非歐美能用根本是假議題 亞洲人太便宜</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 19:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DonnyDon/push?y=26" target="_blank">DonnyDon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunnyhung/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunnyhung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: T-800？ 利空</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 19:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ikachann/push?y=26" target="_blank">ikachann</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真這樣支那應該要最擔心 過多的人口 過少的就業市場</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 19:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ikachann/push?y=26" target="_blank">ikachann</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是大量的無業遊民</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UC93/push?y=26" target="_blank">UC93</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 剛出來的新產品都是最貴 至少要個30年才取代人力</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 19:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andy79323/push?y=26" target="_blank">andy79323</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 印度還中東流水線頭上戴感測器在練ai</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 19:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cannedtuna/push?y=26" target="_blank">cannedtuna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問問企業願不願意免費養你</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 19:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 階級差異會極度嚴重,但底層的吃穿用物質會明顯提升</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 19:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 改善,整體來說是往好</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bala045/push?y=26" target="_blank">bala045</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除非這一台調到別的產線可以立刻上手不同工作</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 19:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在遊民吃的比以前皇帝好</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 19:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現代平民生活海放一百年前，ai普及後也會海放現在</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 19:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，但不變的是不同階級依然有差距。以後一般人不愁</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃穿，但有錢人想的是延壽、植體改造</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yelich3102/push?y=26" target="_blank">yelich3102</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我們公司最近買一台新研發的設備 真的省下人力 產</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/16 19:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yelich3102/push?y=26" target="_blank">yelich3102</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出又穩定</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NTUT56/push?y=26" target="_blank">NTUT56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: google AI伺服器買不夠啊 HBM訂單頂起來啊</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 19:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NTUT56/push?y=26" target="_blank">NTUT56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 靠北回錯文</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eemail/push?y=26" target="_blank">eemail</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上不錯 證明自己不是機器人</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 20:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 菲律賓 電力不夠 全國一半停電惹~~</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 20:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你就看台灣的夕陽產業，哪個不是工廠裡都大量使用</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 20:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自動化工具，加上少少的人工</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有一部動畫電影 機器人叫瓦力的，那是好下場 然後</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 20:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每個人類都肥成豬動不了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ZUMA1225/push?y=26" target="_blank">ZUMA1225</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當機器人不會壞掉不用維修檢點喔</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 20:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chenyeart/push?y=26" target="_blank">chenyeart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果它能做人類不想做的工作，如化糞池、核電廠、烈</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/16 20:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chenyeart/push?y=26" target="_blank">chenyeart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 日下的土木工作，那就是巨大利多，但如果只是折衣服</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chenyeart/push?y=26" target="_blank">chenyeart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 折棉被、物流撿貨這種簡單工作，那就是下一個元宇宙</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DonDonFans/push?y=26" target="_blank">DonDonFans</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利多吧 100年前的窮人比現在苦很多</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 20:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/id44kimo/push?y=26" target="_blank">id44kimo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 未來會有人類保障名額的工作</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/16 20:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人類要變電池了</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 20:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wylscott/push?y=26" target="_blank">wylscott</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以少子化 躺平只是剛好不是？用機器人哪還要那麼</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 20:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wylscott/push?y=26" target="_blank">wylscott</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多人類浪費資源</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DORAQMON/push?y=26" target="_blank">DORAQMON</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這交給機器人，人類還有更重要的事要做，比如生育</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 20:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 未來女性擇偶條件：有房有車有機器人</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/16 20:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有性愛機器人之後，就不需要女性伴侶了</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 20:34</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://youtu.be/uAgJAJi0NIA?si=0bZU_Gs92imNsuys" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/uAgJAJi0NIA?si=0bZU_Gs92imNsuys</a></span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/uAgJAJi0NIA?autohide=1&&amp;si=0bZU_Gs92imNsuys"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/uAgJAJi0NIA/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lplpyy/push?y=26" target="_blank">lplpyy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國家地理頻道，超級工廠沒看過喔，現在炒的是能不</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 20:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lplpyy/push?y=26" target="_blank">lplpyy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能把機器人帶進生活</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LipaCat5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">LipaCat5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資本主義國家就自求多福 國家站在資方底層沒人在乎</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 20:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ll1117/push?y=26" target="_blank">ll1117</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說實在的，這個機器人工作24小時效率還只有熟手一</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 21:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ll1117/push?y=26" target="_blank">ll1117</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 個班的八成效率，工人還有時間</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/popoan/push?y=26" target="_blank">popoan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI騙局</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/16 21:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ikachann/push?y=26" target="_blank">ikachann</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以前人的基本需求是生存 現在人的是生活</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 21:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frank94/push?y=26" target="_blank">frank94</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在笑機器人弱的，跟2023笑AI沒用的差不多。該有</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/16 21:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frank94/push?y=26" target="_blank">frank94</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的技術都差不多有了，只剩下迭代跟量產，很快特定</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frank94/push?y=26" target="_blank">frank94</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 工作就會接近人類效率</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frank94/push?y=26" target="_blank">frank94</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後價格也會壓下來</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人帶進家庭要幹嘛?</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/16 22:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是老闆一定買機器人啊，人類還會組工會靠北公司</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/16 22:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TopG/push?y=26" target="_blank">TopG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有工會跟勞基法的奴才</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/16 22:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TopG/push?y=26" target="_blank">TopG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人類終於要征服宇宙了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/letyouselfgo/push?y=26" target="_blank">letyouselfgo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 東南亞的代工傳產業會首當其衝</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/16 22:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/letyouselfgo/push?y=26" target="_blank">letyouselfgo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低薪勞力密集產業優勢會瞬間消失</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mightymouse/push?y=26" target="_blank">mightymouse</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人有我便宜嗎？</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/16 22:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/uyulala/push?y=26" target="_blank">uyulala</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 家庭裡最需要的機器人就是長照啊</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/16 22:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等機器人可以把屎把尿幫忙洗澡，不知道還要幾年</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/16 22:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 阿~還要拍痰跟餵食</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得殺人用的機器人應該會先普及啦</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人類發明機關槍的時間早於打字機呢</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快速殺人比快速打字的需求還強勁</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Erechtheus/push?y=26" target="_blank">Erechtheus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼陽春的工作搞一個機器人幹啥</span><span class="push-right">209F 05/16 22:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Erechtheus/push?y=26" target="_blank">Erechtheus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想取代人還早</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/simba1222/push?y=26" target="_blank">simba1222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人類最後就只是個電池..</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/16 23:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NTUT56/push?y=26" target="_blank">NTUT56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宇宙第一個矽基生命是人類創造的，可能外星人也想不</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/16 23:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NTUT56/push?y=26" target="_blank">NTUT56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BMHSEA/push?y=26" target="_blank">BMHSEA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放心 你跟馬斯克都等不到那天</span><span class="push-right">214F 05/16 23:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人厲害的就是 只要動作一次成功 就能無數次成功</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/17 00:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無數機器同時成功 連馬都說AI比核彈危險</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 加上他公開的 腱神技術 真的很恐怖</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爽的會更爽，買不起機器人的更慘</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/17 00:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資本家爽翻，受薪階級地獄</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/17 01:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greedypeople/push?y=26" target="_blank">greedypeople</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺的還早啦 自動駕駛老馬也走了十年 人型機器人</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/17 01:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greedypeople/push?y=26" target="_blank">greedypeople</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要變成印鈔機我覺得也還要燒錢燒好多年</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben6421463/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben6421463</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你各位以後就是資本家的器官庫跟玩具了，根本不需</span><span class="push-right">222F 05/17 01:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben6421463/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben6421463</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要這麼多人類，要怪就怪祖輩不會投資</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Zoomyoyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Zoomyoyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然利多 人類之所以要工作賺錢 是因為有工作需求</span><span class="push-right">224F 05/17 01:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Zoomyoyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Zoomyoyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以後機器人 AI取代大部分工作後 所有實體產品 物資</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Zoomyoyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Zoomyoyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 製造成本 時間 都趨近於最小值 全人類躺平不是夢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuen1029/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuen1029</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你有看過外星人吧 人類以後就變成那樣</span><span class="push-right">227F 05/17 01:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慢慢等吧..只是讓汽車自動駕駛,發展了30年別說取代</span><span class="push-right">228F 05/17 04:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳統駕駛了,絕大多數國家地區還是只有半套</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 更別說要用擬人化的機器人取代人類勞動力..這複雜度</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高幾百倍不止</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完整的自駕(不需駕駛)10年內我看都看不到,就算達成</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到能放一台機器人坐進傳統汽車內控制車輛不知道又要</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾十年..zzZZ</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kminer/push?y=26" target="_blank">kminer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國人自己都在笑機器人，台灣舔共看好悲哀</span><span class="push-right">235F 05/17 06:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rammstein/push?y=26" target="_blank">rammstein</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給他20年，剛好退休可以用來當看護</span><span class="push-right">236F 05/17 07:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Atwo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Atwo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人的需求本來主要就是取代人工的勞力</span><span class="push-right">237F 05/17 07:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohlong/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohlong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不會三角跳跟離子炮94失敗</span><span class="push-right">238F 05/17 07:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yesonline/push?y=26" target="_blank">yesonline</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: RobotEra的機器人早已進駐順丰、中國郵政物流中心</span><span class="push-right">239F 05/17 07:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yesonline/push?y=26" target="_blank">yesonline</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只有新規劃的物流中心用不到人型機器人.舊的都需要.</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yesonline/push?y=26" target="_blank">yesonline</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但也有例外，例如中華郵政A7廣招志工到流水線分揀.</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Evankuo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Evankuo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 機器人要到實用沒這麼快，現在都是噱頭而已。這幾</span><span class="push-right">242F 05/17 11:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Evankuo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Evankuo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 隻動沒多久就要輪班充電，花數倍成本。機器人要實</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Evankuo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Evankuo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用必定要先經過電池革命，看好機器人還不如先買電</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Evankuo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Evankuo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 池，所有機器人 手機 無人機 電動載體 新世代穿戴</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Evankuo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Evankuo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 式裝置都要用</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bluezoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">bluezoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺觸覺還是問題，會沒辦法像人靠觸覺去撈包裹，</span><span class="push-right">247F 05/17 11:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bluezoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">bluezoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有時候一直在抓空氣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先把路上所有汽車都變成自動駕駛再說</span><span class="push-right">249F 05/17 11:32</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> pl132. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3XP 2026-05-16T17:08:01+08:00 2026-05-17T21:39:52+08:00

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<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> pl132 (pl132)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 輝達中國紅利幻滅！川普證實：北京拒買H2<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 17:08:01 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> 輝達中國紅利幻滅！　川普證實：北京拒買H200晶片 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260516/3166962.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260516/3166962.htm</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260516/3166962.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>輝達中國紅利幻滅！　川普證實：北京拒買H200晶片 | ETtoday國際新聞 | ETtoday新聞雲</strong></a> <a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260516/3166962.htm" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="436" style="width:655px;height:436px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8352/e8352697.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>美國總統川普日前率領美國企業高層代表團出訪中國，外界原本期待輝達（Nvidia）執行長黃仁勳能為大打折扣的中國市場迎來轉機，甚至讓北京解禁採購輝達H200 AI晶片。不過，川普在返美途中向媒體證實，儘管中國確實需要這款晶片，但中方挑明更想研發自己的晶片，導致雙方至今未達成任何採購協議。(川普,習近平 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026年05月16日 15:31 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 記者張方瑀／綜合報導 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 記者張方瑀／綜合報導 <div class="combine-lines">美國總統川普日前率領美國企業高層代表團出訪中國，外界原本期待輝達（NVIDIA）執行 長黃仁勳能為大打折扣的中國市場迎來轉機，甚至讓北京解禁採購輝達H200 AI晶片。不 過，川普在返美途中向媒體證實，儘管中國確實需要這款晶片，但中方挑明更想研發自己 的晶片，導致雙方至今未達成任何採購協議。</div> 頂級CEO團出訪　習近平開大門「高層笑著進去」 綜合外媒報導，這次的美國企業高層代表團除了黃仁勳外，特斯拉（Tesla）執行長馬斯 克（Elon Musk）、蘋果（Apple）執行長庫克（Tim Cook），以及來自 Meta、美光（ Micron）、高通（Qualcomm）和Coherent的高階主管通通在列，顯示出科技業絕對是這趟 行程的核心話題。 <div class="combine-lines">行程前半段看似開了個好兆頭，中國國家主席習近平高調表態將擴大對美企開放。隨行的 美國貿易代表葛里爾（Jamieson Greer）也透露，美方企業領袖有絕佳機會，能直接進到 會議中向川普與習近平當面推銷自家公司，當時黃仁勳也在現場。這讓市場一度燃起強烈 希望，認為美中科技戰的緊繃關係可望迎來破冰。</div> 川普專機上大爆料　北京「想做自己的」拒簽訂單 <div class="combine-lines">不料，川普在返美途中向媒體直言，他在北京與習近平會面時，雙方確實針對晶片問題展 開實質討論。川普坦言，中國的確很需要輝達的H200晶片，但截至目前為止，雙方沒有達 成任何具體的投資或購買協議。</div> 川普強調，現階段 H200 晶片在中國市場卡關的最根本原因，就在於「中國想要開發自己 的晶片」。 美貿代證實「沒談解禁」中方視美科技為嚴重威脅 <div class="combine-lines">與此同時，葛里爾在15日接受彭博電視（Bloomberg TV）訪問時也證實，這次的美中雙邊 會議中，根本「沒有討論晶片出口管制」的相關議題，此番說法無疑讓市場對AI晶片禁令 鬆綁的期待徹底降溫。</div> <div class="combine-lines">葛里爾指出，中方買不買美國晶片，完全是他們自己的戰略盤算。由於北京長期將「本土 自主生產」視為核心戰略，在他們眼中，美國的高科技往往被視為一種潛在威脅；中方深 怕一旦美國在AI晶片領域持續絕對領先，自身的科技主權與產業發展將會遭到嚴重壓制。 </div> 晶片交易成政治燙手山芋 <div class="combine-lines">事實上，這場晶片交易在美國國內也是一塊政治燙手山芋。華盛頓智庫「外交關係協會」 （Council on Foreign Relations）高級研究員克雷博-雷迪克（Heidi Crebo-Rediker） 先前就警告，開放輝達H200晶片的授權交易在政治上是震撼彈，絕對會引發美國國會對中 鷹派的猛烈反彈。</div> 儘管《路透社》曾引述知情人士消息稱華府已批准部分對中銷售，但面對美中各懷鬼胎， 這筆生意顯然極難談妥。 <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> 到底是要買還是不買?感覺一直變來變去,看起來禮拜一又要回去180了嗎? 結果這次去北京只是喝了難喝的豆汁 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.192.95.208 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: pl132 2026-05-16 17:08:01</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778922483.A.AFB.html" target="_blank">#1g23Fphx (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778922483.A.AFB.html" target="_blank" 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class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這也反證中國AI軟硬體已經有相當實力才敢這樣幹</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 17:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mune/push?y=26" target="_blank">mune</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 糞川自以為的籌碼被一一破解</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然中國不可能冒著AI大幅落後的風險鐵頭不買美貨</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只能證明中國叫你吃土你也只能接受 什麼能力夠XD</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Muilie/push?y=26" target="_blank">Muilie</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被迫喝臭酸豆漿，還沒賣出半個</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zz100/push?y=26" target="_blank">zz100</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慢了 人家不要了啦 哭哭</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒google不也活得好好地</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ethan0419/push?y=26" target="_blank">ethan0419</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晚了 不要了</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他要B100啦</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neilisme/push?y=26" target="_blank">neilisme</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI根本不需要單顆超強的GPU 效能較差就多用幾顆就好</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 17:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HardyJJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">HardyJJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑著進去 哭著出來</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 17:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正常啊，中國只想買來抄，然後自己做</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 17:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neilisme/push?y=26" target="_blank">neilisme</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 土地跟電力中國都是有優勢 何必去用你美國的晶片</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃下禮拜又要被蛋雕了</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Gemini都說華為+DS CANN生態已經不輸NV+CUDA</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cms6384/push?y=26" target="_blank">cms6384</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下星期財報= =</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shunhahahaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">shunhahahaha</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪昨天先跌一波了 下禮拜準備再一波</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 17:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kilo7/push?y=26" target="_blank">kilo7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊陶鴨～</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 17:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MaxMillian/push?y=26" target="_blank">MaxMillian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 抄的國度簡單 私底下從其他管道洗進去就好</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/weilawda/push?y=26" target="_blank">weilawda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有鬼故事才會漲得比較安心</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DALUGI/push?y=26" target="_blank">DALUGI</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國表面上不買 私下買吧?</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gbman/push?y=26" target="_blank">gbman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接海關禁了!想進去都不可能CC</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hakkacandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">hakkacandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哭</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/answermangtr/push?y=26" target="_blank">answermangtr</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這態勢老美真的在過個二十年就準備被中國在除了軍</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 17:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/answermangtr/push?y=26" target="_blank">answermangtr</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 事以外的全面壓制</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brown1010/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brown1010</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死，一開始不賣</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 17:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算力不夠自己用不就好</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 17:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hong92/push?y=26" target="_blank">hong92</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 憨川，都在嘴砲，禮拜一再補跌，機器人逃命波</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asdasd4522/push?y=26" target="_blank">asdasd4522</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國真的挺的很直 從關稅挺到現在</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jack0216/push?y=26" target="_blank">jack0216</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 既然中國啥都沒買 這裡幻想川普賣台的是？</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就沒買冷飯熱炒 你假如要賣的是B200 就買爆</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要卡人家還要給次級品，這算盤很會打</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 人家不要惹</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sinsia/push?y=26" target="_blank">sinsia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: nvi 跌倒了</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NekomataOkay/push?y=26" target="_blank">NekomataOkay</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幹...</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/manboisold/push?y=26" target="_blank">manboisold</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶真的chill 西郎</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪老黃會說豆汁難喝 原來是不爽惹</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chihwei739/push?y=26" target="_blank">chihwei739</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喝了豆汁還沒辦法賣 虧大了</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TEPLUN/push?y=26" target="_blank">TEPLUN</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國買不買跟有沒有賣台的因果關係是？</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊陶鴨</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonylolz/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonylolz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 支那根本沒錢買吧</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h1y2c3y2h1/push?y=26" target="_blank">h1y2c3y2h1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 私下第三地偷偷買新的轉回去</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晚了,人家不要了</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TameFoxx/push?y=26" target="_blank">TameFoxx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鬼故事好多笑死</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lishaoalox/push?y=26" target="_blank">lishaoalox</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 新聞報導方向真的是追蹤市場情緒XD</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badguy227/push?y=26" target="_blank">badguy227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一開始自以為很厲害不賣，搞到後面對方要靠自己也</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 17:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badguy227/push?y=26" target="_blank">badguy227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不噱買了，要變強就是要這樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eierom/push?y=26" target="_blank">eierom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了，下禮拜…..</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asidy/push?y=26" target="_blank">asidy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是因為嫌太次級品嗎,只有老黃受傷的世界?</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AndyMAX/push?y=26" target="_blank">AndyMAX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那些吹中国開放的ID比白海豚還會轉彎</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gamania5972/push?y=26" target="_blank">gamania5972</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 憨川一手好牌打到爛,真的笑死</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kausan/push?y=26" target="_blank">kausan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豆汁要吐了</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nobeldd/push?y=26" target="_blank">nobeldd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普出貨了嗎</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tn950811/push?y=26" target="_blank">tn950811</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晚了我們就不要了</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okderla/push?y=26" target="_blank">okderla</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我快笑死了 嘴裡說不買 但機器拆開裡頭全是NV的GP</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 17:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okderla/push?y=26" target="_blank">okderla</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: U 各種管道到處走私偷運</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/suireky/push?y=26" target="_blank">suireky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜五跌了 已反映</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aika5512308/push?y=26" target="_blank">aika5512308</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩盤</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cleanx/push?y=26" target="_blank">cleanx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普臉面無光，中國根本不買</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yee/push?y=26" target="_blank">yee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 咦，不是才申報建倉！現在又喊沒訂單啊！這是不是</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 17:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yee/push?y=26" target="_blank">yee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高端局？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ifuxxyou/push?y=26" target="_blank">ifuxxyou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算盤打得叮噹響 結果是川自打耳光 低熊兒誰選的</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 17:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喘息會變盤</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cin0921/push?y=26" target="_blank">cin0921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利空見報 會漲吧</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jokem/push?y=26" target="_blank">jokem</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 皮衣刀客要哭了</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有鬼如果甚麼都沒簽那飛中國幹嘛</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 17:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neomaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">neomaster</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: h200搭euv光刻機 肯定賣爆</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 17:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/matlab1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">matlab1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 魯蛇尼哥當初嘴秋埋下的後果</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DORAQMON/push?y=26" target="_blank">DORAQMON</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三顆便宜的抵你一顆，有電有地，沒差</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xhs/push?y=26" target="_blank">xhs</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 靠北，怎麼一堆利空</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GABA/push?y=26" target="_blank">GABA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拒買但是沒說不用 懂?</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HarukaLM/push?y=26" target="_blank">HarukaLM</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想財報前出的來不及跑囉 哈哈</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn02620938/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn02620938</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趕快跌30%讓大家進場啊</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 17:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jack701005/push?y=26" target="_blank">jack701005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週一開低走高不要不信</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 17:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/callsign1017/push?y=26" target="_blank">callsign1017</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正接單都滿到N年 有差嗎</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icosahedron/push?y=26" target="_blank">icosahedron</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豆汁都喝了，你敢不買？</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://meee.com.tw/JXsspci" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://meee.com.tw/JXsspci</a></span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 17:47</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://meee.com.tw/JXsspci" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="600" style="width:800px;height:600px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.meee.com.tw/JXsspci.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不可能吧 老黃還是微笑的</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃比你想像的更有料，他去中國不會只有喝很難喝的</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 17:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豆汁</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/george31708/push?y=26" target="_blank">george31708</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用大腦想想 有可能嗎</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tungpayton/push?y=26" target="_blank">tungpayton</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 官方禁，私底下更高成本走私</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweertyui891/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweertyui891</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只值100 給我回去做遊戲顯示卡</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 17:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wilson1983/push?y=26" target="_blank">wilson1983</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當初不給買現在想賣人家不要了</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 17:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三洨</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EZTW0000/push?y=26" target="_blank">EZTW0000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪有不要都私底下買，想也知道為了華為ai卡，直接</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 17:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EZTW0000/push?y=26" target="_blank">EZTW0000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開放誰要買菊花</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國根本不需要H200</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QooSnow/push?y=26" target="_blank">QooSnow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: @鳳凰：嘻嘻。</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃很猛的 到哪都是一排粉絲 不太可能談不成</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shyww/push?y=26" target="_blank">shyww</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華為遙遙領先（？！</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peterlee97/push?y=26" target="_blank">peterlee97</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WWIII/push?y=26" target="_blank">WWIII</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩 要國產化了</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 17:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aftermathx/push?y=26" target="_blank">aftermathx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 時鐘:晚了我們就不要了</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這他媽什麼廢話</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哇塞，中國有骨氣喔，看美國要禁就禁，靠自己研發</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 17:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才能擺脫依賴，台灣要多學習</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 檯面上說不買，私底下走私沒停過</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 白嗨了 跌回去吧</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thg156yu789/push?y=26" target="_blank">thg156yu789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週一一個都別想跑 好好嚐嚐大K棒</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian3639/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian3639</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 靠</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習:晚了 我們就不要了</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/teddy72/push?y=26" target="_blank">teddy72</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WongKarWai/push?y=26" target="_blank">WongKarWai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己研發XD</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都走私b200吧XD</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 17:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下周要跌幾根?</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 17:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實中國買不買對NVDA基本面都沒影響</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連英特爾都能跟追趕上台積電了，中國研發久了也不</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 17:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定不行</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多創造一點股價撿便宜的機會而已</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 17:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/p8331407/push?y=26" target="_blank">p8331407</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 檯面上說檯面下就</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yymoya/push?y=26" target="_blank">yymoya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的，不賣才是輸家</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/agvnol/push?y=26" target="_blank">agvnol</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末鬼故事</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneIneed/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneIneed</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當初不給買，現在人家不要了，可憐，黃仁勳ㄧ定很幹</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 18:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneIneed/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneIneed</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，因為今天這結果他當初早料到了，也說了，結果還被</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneIneed/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneIneed</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 青鳥酸商人無祖國只要利益啥的，青鳥就是一群可悲廢</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneIneed/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneIneed</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 物。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老ai先殺</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國官方不准而已 一堆中企私底下還是搶著走私</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wugucc029/push?y=26" target="_blank">wugucc029</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶滿手nv套到死</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國有大量的人礦研發本來就不弱 缺的是關鍵機台</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kerokrq/push?y=26" target="_blank">kerokrq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 租比買更划算</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晚了就不要了</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julia66/push?y=26" target="_blank">julia66</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要噴了 向下</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 18:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rickcoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">rickcoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃喝豆汁:這什麼東西 然後北京拒買啊</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 18:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/debris/push?y=26" target="_blank">debris</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晚了就不要了</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 18:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來是因為老黃不接受中共的善液</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 18:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chewthelife8/push?y=26" target="_blank">chewthelife8</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NV就要噴了 傻子才看不懂被洗掉 活該一輩子窮....</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 18:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silvertime/push?y=26" target="_blank">silvertime</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 崩爛囉</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 炸裂星期一！</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實nv一直沒有算中國市場</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herrowui/push?y=26" target="_blank">herrowui</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃知道不是川普的問題了吧！</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good10740/push?y=26" target="_blank">good10740</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他本來就不去，去了還被惡搞喝豆汁</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/16 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CYL009/push?y=26" target="_blank">CYL009</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子 禮拜一大根伺候</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/16 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 走正規出口要被川普抽25% 進關再加10% 幹嘛不洗產地</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慘，星期一老黃一根</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CYL009/push?y=26" target="_blank">CYL009</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前幾天就說了 你不拿出吸引人的條件就不會交易啦</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qpqp1/push?y=26" target="_blank">qpqp1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上次就拒買了不是？</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買得更便宜 還有B200晶片可以用 何必買舊的H200</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從200之後 老黃就在漲川習會，這下要吐回200了</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/16 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilanese/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilanese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不想買垃圾啊！</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 18:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilanese/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilanese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算力可以用租的，或是在第三國設立算力中心。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zerofield/push?y=26" target="_blank">zerofield</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 廣達再見 沒有H200H300你也沒有電動車</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lasma/push?y=26" target="_blank">lasma</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國就拿晶片去卡住中國的脖子數次了，中國怎麼還會</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/16 18:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lasma/push?y=26" target="_blank">lasma</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給美國機會卡他？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SoLucky/push?y=26" target="_blank">SoLucky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 實際上透過新加坡進貨</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/16 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ter2788/push?y=26" target="_blank">ter2788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是太爛不想買 自己研發只是良率問題不是生產不出來</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 18:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ter2788/push?y=26" target="_blank">ter2788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除非給更先進的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/acluke/push?y=26" target="_blank">acluke</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 態度再囂掰啊</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為領導偷運了一堆GB200高價賣給企業，開放H200不</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 18:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就斷自己財路了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ter2788/push?y=26" target="_blank">ter2788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 至於最新的卡也能偷渡買到</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccuwck/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccuwck</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕買了又被美國勒索吧</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/16 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imlucky/push?y=26" target="_blank">imlucky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃：喝到豆汁惹</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 18:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/largan6075/push?y=26" target="_blank">largan6075</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都喝豆汁了 還不給買</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/16 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子~~~</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 18:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/G12134/push?y=26" target="_blank">G12134</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從新加坡轉口吧 笑死 鼻屎走私國</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 18:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jorden/push?y=26" target="_blank">jorden</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國不需要</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 18:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/heavenlyken/push?y=26" target="_blank">heavenlyken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 舔到出汁還是不買 哈哈</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 18:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1252352/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1252352</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正有吹風機公司</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 18:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/socialloser/push?y=26" target="_blank">socialloser</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次真的完蛋了</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/16 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不會只有老黃跌，下周一台股繼續殺輝達供應鏈</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 18:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amazingwow/push?y=26" target="_blank">amazingwow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/16 18:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jin49518124/push?y=26" target="_blank">jin49518124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜一刺激囉</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/16 18:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lineak/push?y=26" target="_blank">lineak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NV還有其他東西可以賣..</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/16 18:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bluehair/push?y=26" target="_blank">bluehair</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 居啦</span><span class="push-right">195F 05/16 18:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oyaji5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">oyaji5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 啾命啊</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/16 18:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xtt/push?y=26" target="_blank">xtt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川自己前面演過了，有摩擦隨時都能各種禁售制裁，腦</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/16 18:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xtt/push?y=26" target="_blank">xtt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 袋壞掉才會繼續依賴</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/George728/push?y=26" target="_blank">George728</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己搞就好了，幹嘛把命脈交給敵人。美國也要自己搞</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/16 18:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/George728/push?y=26" target="_blank">George728</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 稀土了啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Noberman/push?y=26" target="_blank">Noberman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 時間差不多了喔</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/16 18:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/scott01/push?y=26" target="_blank">scott01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被某個地方慣壞了 以為垃圾搶著要 要強賣垃圾 還嫌</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/16 18:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/scott01/push?y=26" target="_blank">scott01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對方不買垃圾</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個中國幾時不當盤子照單全收</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/16 18:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 騰訊繞道日本 取得Nvidia最先進Blackwell晶片算力</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/16 18:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ctstak47/push?y=26" target="_blank">ctstak47</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 25%變相的消費稅讓中共國不給他們企業買啊..</span><span class="push-right">206F 05/16 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maniaque/push?y=26" target="_blank">maniaque</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大陸大概早就已經決定用7nm DUV搞機海戰術了</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/16 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Derry20732/push?y=26" target="_blank">Derry20732</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 地獄來囉</span><span class="push-right">208F 05/16 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JerryLian/push?y=26" target="_blank">JerryLian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重點是中國要給誰代工？</span><span class="push-right">209F 05/16 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sanxiao/push?y=26" target="_blank">sanxiao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出事啦！禮拜一開盤市價賣光速殺出！！</span><span class="push-right">210F 05/16 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/owenxeve/push?y=26" target="_blank">owenxeve</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國很懂的東西要自己發展生產，只有美國自己一堆</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/16 18:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/owenxeve/push?y=26" target="_blank">owenxeve</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 東西被人掐脖子</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klwei/push?y=26" target="_blank">klwei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又不是現在才拒買</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/16 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hemisofia/push?y=26" target="_blank">hemisofia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正下個月又會有批准H200銷售給中國的新聞 不會膩</span><span class="push-right">214F 05/16 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ahg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ahg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑鼠</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/16 18:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bird1st/push?y=26" target="_blank">bird1st</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出國租可以用最新的 何必買特供版</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/16 18:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DOOT/push?y=26" target="_blank">DOOT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大煉芯</span><span class="push-right">217F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leviathen/push?y=26" target="_blank">leviathen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: cann都出來了，長期就是國家資源繼續砸，誰敢不用？</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waw20002002/push?y=26" target="_blank">waw20002002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哭死</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leviathen/push?y=26" target="_blank">leviathen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且中國弄出來成本一定低，還不用溢價搶N卡，速度</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/16 18:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leviathen/push?y=26" target="_blank">leviathen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不夠量來補，多買幾張自產的唄</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/notime/push?y=26" target="_blank">notime</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">222F 05/16 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gk1329/push?y=26" target="_blank">gk1329</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸 蹦爛</span><span class="push-right">223F 05/16 18:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orange7986/push?y=26" target="_blank">orange7986</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 神功護體！</span><span class="push-right">224F 05/16 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TMDkid/push?y=26" target="_blank">TMDkid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這下真的操灰搭了</span><span class="push-right">225F 05/16 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國出來的成本哪裡低了，而且不管成本量也超少</span><span class="push-right">226F 05/16 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ajai/push?y=26" target="_blank">ajai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png</a></span><span class="push-right">227F 05/16 18:33</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="600" style="width:800px;height:600px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/softwords/push?y=26" target="_blank">softwords</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘴巴說不要 身體倒是很誠實</span><span class="push-right">228F 05/16 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hihi29/push?y=26" target="_blank">hihi29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 英偉達準備跟台股一起下去探親 笑死</span><span class="push-right">229F 05/16 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ultima0119/push?y=26" target="_blank">ultima0119</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃：豆汁我都喝了還不買，操</span><span class="push-right">230F 05/16 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nash1314/push?y=26" target="_blank">nash1314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又要下去了 200黃</span><span class="push-right">231F 05/16 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdg235/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdg235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國外就有GB200租，為何中國還要採買降規的H200？</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/16 18:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dannyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">dannyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不給最新的 當然中國不買次等的 自己發展還比較實在</span><span class="push-right">233F 05/16 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berserk/push?y=26" target="_blank">berserk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難喝的豆汁白喝了嗎</span><span class="push-right">234F 05/16 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vdrenike/push?y=26" target="_blank">vdrenike</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習大概被底下人唬弄了，以為真能很快做出2nm芯片</span><span class="push-right">235F 05/16 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dannyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">dannyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結果中國自己禁H200 不用你美國禁</span><span class="push-right">236F 05/16 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vanii40/push?y=26" target="_blank">vanii40</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 舒服</span><span class="push-right">237F 05/16 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alittlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">alittlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結果白漲了 要還回去</span><span class="push-right">238F 05/16 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zizc06719/push?y=26" target="_blank">zizc06719</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正一堆不都走私了</span><span class="push-right">239F 05/16 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/v58264579/push?y=26" target="_blank">v58264579</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末鬼故事</span><span class="push-right">240F 05/16 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken85/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken85</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: z,xz台,,,#灣沒有這三樣東西是不是醫生快量產跟</span><span class="push-right">241F 05/16 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furnaceh/push?y=26" target="_blank">furnaceh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NV跟中國都沒差</span><span class="push-right">242F 05/16 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loom0et0bust/push?y=26" target="_blank">loom0et0bust</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不是從很早就知道的事情？鴿子封包？</span><span class="push-right">243F 05/16 18:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Yoimiya/push?y=26" target="_blank">Yoimiya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">244F 05/16 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低階的自己發展就好 要買也買gb</span><span class="push-right">245F 05/16 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolrock/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolrock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪跌成這樣….唉</span><span class="push-right">246F 05/16 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DonDonFans/push?y=26" target="_blank">DonDonFans</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國自研很久 早就不是新聞了</span><span class="push-right">247F 05/16 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jerry469/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jerry469</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸</span><span class="push-right">248F 05/16 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiroru/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiroru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週 大怒神 40000保衛戰</span><span class="push-right">249F 05/16 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jerry469/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jerry469</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘎偉老師 苦口婆心</span><span class="push-right">250F 05/16 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c24253994/push?y=26" target="_blank">c24253994</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小漲5% 大跌0.89% 天塌了天塌了</span><span class="push-right">251F 05/16 18:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幹 禮拜五白拉了</span><span class="push-right">252F 05/16 18:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/adearlover/push?y=26" target="_blank">adearlover</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都透過第三方管道買更高階的，那個H200我不要了</span><span class="push-right">253F 05/16 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amig0123/push?y=26" target="_blank">amig0123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這老黃最不愛的事 逼中國自研 慢慢減少依賴美國</span><span class="push-right">254F 05/16 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rock74228/push?y=26" target="_blank">rock74228</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要崩了嗎？</span><span class="push-right">255F 05/16 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/romusutoru/push?y=26" target="_blank">romusutoru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 祖傳手刻晶片嗎？</span><span class="push-right">256F 05/16 18:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dynamo/push?y=26" target="_blank">dynamo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以川是去幹嘛的？ no card</span><span class="push-right">257F 05/16 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ggking3030/push?y=26" target="_blank">ggking3030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先殺再說！</span><span class="push-right">258F 05/16 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pikaaco/push?y=26" target="_blank">pikaaco</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩崩</span><span class="push-right">259F 05/16 18:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kuijun228/push?y=26" target="_blank">kuijun228</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一根向下</span><span class="push-right">260F 05/16 18:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crtzeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">crtzeng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: EUV原型機都搞出來了，現在正是灌資金給自己人上場</span><span class="push-right">261F 05/16 18:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crtzeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">crtzeng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的時機</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Centauro/push?y=26" target="_blank">Centauro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就沒買了 跌就加倉！</span><span class="push-right">263F 05/16 18:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tnnua/push?y=26" target="_blank">tnnua</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豆汁反應不好 不買了</span><span class="push-right">264F 05/16 18:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/justice0926/push?y=26" target="_blank">justice0926</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普真的 讓中國再次偉大</span><span class="push-right">265F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zpf2005/push?y=26" target="_blank">zpf2005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99NV 99我～</span><span class="push-right">266F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了 晚了就不要了 中又贏</span><span class="push-right">267F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asddsatw/push?y=26" target="_blank">asddsatw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: jack0216跟TEPLUN是AI嗎? 大家都在酸老黃</span><span class="push-right">268F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中共現在就走蘇聯那種，不夠嗎 那就大一點 用成熟</span><span class="push-right">269F 05/16 18:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做出大百倍的運算箱 耗電百倍其實也是可以的 電量</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多蓋幾座核電廠就好 基建彭風狂魔是幹得出來的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asddsatw/push?y=26" target="_blank">asddsatw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就你們突然冒出來說鄉民在講川普賣台？</span><span class="push-right">272F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eineFrage/push?y=26" target="_blank">eineFrage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 叫皮衣老黃回來做消費級GPU好嗎？那個顯卡……</span><span class="push-right">273F 05/16 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/addy7533967/push?y=26" target="_blank">addy7533967</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週一崩！</span><span class="push-right">274F 05/16 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s910612/push?y=26" target="_blank">s910612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜五拉在哪 笑死</span><span class="push-right">275F 05/16 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oasis66666/push?y=26" target="_blank">oasis66666</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川建國，讓中國再次偉大的推手</span><span class="push-right">276F 05/16 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a8521abcd/push?y=26" target="_blank">a8521abcd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當初就不該禁，禁了就是逼人家自己搞自己的生態，</span><span class="push-right">277F 05/16 18:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a8521abcd/push?y=26" target="_blank">a8521abcd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這就是老黃之前上節目說他最擔心的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Shepherd1987/push?y=26" target="_blank">Shepherd1987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美超微表示:</span><span class="push-right">279F 05/16 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asddsatw/push?y=26" target="_blank">asddsatw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豆汁白喝了，乖乖回到200以下，那才是適合的位置</span><span class="push-right">280F 05/16 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/white1861/push?y=26" target="_blank">white1861</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大大大大崩盤</span><span class="push-right">281F 05/16 18:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david850914/push?y=26" target="_blank">david850914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 演一場戲根本什麼都沒談</span><span class="push-right">282F 05/16 18:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩爛 難怪一開始老黃沒被叫去 根本做不成生意去幹</span><span class="push-right">283F 05/16 18:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘛</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/survivalteru/push?y=26" target="_blank">survivalteru</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 窩看老川自己在大買NV就覺得沒啥好擔心</span><span class="push-right">285F 05/16 18:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david850914/push?y=26" target="_blank">david850914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正中國還是沒EUV</span><span class="push-right">286F 05/16 18:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david850914/push?y=26" target="_blank">david850914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自研就自己慢慢搞吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不想買就不要用新加坡馬來西亞當白手套</span><span class="push-right">288F 05/16 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ByronX/push?y=26" target="_blank">ByronX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼會有人想被掐第二次呢</span><span class="push-right">289F 05/16 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KFC007/push?y=26" target="_blank">KFC007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正慢慢算一樣算的完，現在是記憶體存儲空間的問題</span><span class="push-right">290F 05/16 18:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KFC007/push?y=26" target="_blank">KFC007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而已，說不定哪天發明光儲存後矽基記憶體一樣被蛋雕</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zixiang/push?y=26" target="_blank">zixiang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不就是一開始人家警告川普的嗎</span><span class="push-right">292F 05/16 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dvr/push?y=26" target="_blank">dvr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對岸鐵了心要用爛晶片發展自有ai 那是好事耶</span><span class="push-right">293F 05/16 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zixiang/push?y=26" target="_blank">zixiang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶的方法對付台灣這種小量體很有用，對付中國等</span><span class="push-right">294F 05/16 19:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zixiang/push?y=26" target="_blank">zixiang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 著吃屎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kbpoop/push?y=26" target="_blank">kbpoop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正華強北可以魔改</span><span class="push-right">296F 05/16 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/undeadmask/push?y=26" target="_blank">undeadmask</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 確實黃早就警告過川普</span><span class="push-right">297F 05/16 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃去中國 白喝豆汁了</span><span class="push-right">298F 05/16 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/horse2819/push?y=26" target="_blank">horse2819</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都2026 200誰要</span><span class="push-right">299F 05/16 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家都知道華為的路是死路，但是還是想看兩百斤</span><span class="push-right">300F 05/16 19:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 往懸崖雙向奔赴 來人啊 拿爆米花跟可樂 事態嚴重了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mamorui/push?y=26" target="_blank">mamorui</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NV股價就跟著營收走 跟台積電、谷歌是AI長青樹的</span><span class="push-right">302F 05/16 19:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mamorui/push?y=26" target="_blank">mamorui</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 存在 H200題材這次是最後一次看到了吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://hao.cnyes.com/post/244986" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://hao.cnyes.com/post/244986</a> 大概是這樣</span><span class="push-right">304F 05/16 19:03</span></div> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://hao.cnyes.com/post/244986" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>算力霸權與突圍：輝達和華為的較量 | 科技 | 鉅亨號 | Anue鉅亨</strong></a></div></div> </div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ss70239ss/push?y=26" target="_blank">ss70239ss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期一50%招待，往上往下不好說</span><span class="push-right">305F 05/16 19:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鉅亨已經是親共媒了 cn還加yes</span><span class="push-right">306F 05/16 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: win8719不是說中國搶購H200嗎？</span><span class="push-right">307F 05/16 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cospergod/push?y=26" target="_blank">cospergod</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你一禁賣人家當然想辦法，現在想賣之前作為不就白費</span><span class="push-right">308F 05/16 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunpedro0202/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunpedro0202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒影響吧</span><span class="push-right">309F 05/16 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他們也很清楚他們的軟體工程師再強大也是</span><span class="push-right">310F 05/16 19:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 巧婦為難無米之炊 大guy4john</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zipupup/push?y=26" target="_blank">zipupup</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣如果聰明點應該趁現在回歸祖國並且加強祖國，</span><span class="push-right">312F 05/16 19:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zipupup/push?y=26" target="_blank">zipupup</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普才不會一天到晚把台灣當籌碼又割台灣韭菜</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="http://imgur.com/c1t0NU9" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/c1t0NU9.jpg</a> 可憐啊</span><span class="push-right">314F 05/16 19:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="http://imgur.com/6x7rlrS" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/6x7rlrS.jpg</a></span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="691" data-ori_h="800" style="width:691px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/c1t0NU9h.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div> <div class="img" data-ori_w="458" data-ori_h="800" style="width:458px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/6x7rlrSh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sing60905/push?y=26" target="_blank">sing60905</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃恨死川普了 原本有的市場 直接0 不聽就是不聽</span><span class="push-right">316F 05/16 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pc0501/push?y=26" target="_blank">pc0501</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 關台積電屁事?晶片早就賣給輝達收完錢了</span><span class="push-right">317F 05/16 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 邪惡老中真是太壞了，用爛爛的昇騰算卡搞出Deepseek</span><span class="push-right">318F 05/16 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sing60905/push?y=26" target="_blank">sing60905</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃的概念是養套殺 而川普是直接禁止 反而讓對方</span><span class="push-right">319F 05/16 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: V4，害美國無法壟斷AI了</span><span class="push-right">320F 05/16 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sing60905/push?y=26" target="_blank">sing60905</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有時間自研 雖然不怎樣 但人家就是不屑買你的東西</span><span class="push-right">321F 05/16 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kerkyky/push?y=26" target="_blank">kerkyky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主力丟新聞要騙線 散戶要團結</span><span class="push-right">322F 05/16 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Tohkachan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Tohkachan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會不會走私比直接買H200更便宜</span><span class="push-right">323F 05/16 19:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lc85301/push?y=26" target="_blank">lc85301</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國蛋雕沒人理</span><span class="push-right">324F 05/16 19:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Seifer601/push?y=26" target="_blank">Seifer601</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國不想買 中企很想買</span><span class="push-right">325F 05/16 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就不會給那種強制党支部寄生企業的國家 取得</span><span class="push-right">326F 05/16 19:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可用於軍工的奇點科技工具 這個在曼哈頓計畫就已經</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明確表明了，就黃沒在這個思維 一心想著擴大市場</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是中國要戒掉美國 是美國要學著戒掉中國</span><span class="push-right">329F 05/16 19:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對，現在想要取得工具的企業 要嘛就移民 要嘛就</span><span class="push-right">330F 05/16 19:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 轉移總部到其他國家 然後簽跟中共完全斷絕的但書。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是還是會被抓回去 例如manus一夥 幫QQ</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整天想吸中國奶水 就像是2000~2010的台灣</span><span class="push-right">333F 05/16 19:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃的中國市場確實被川普搞掉的</span><span class="push-right">334F 05/16 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dowbane/push?y=26" target="_blank">dowbane</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘻嘻習大大真有骨氣。</span><span class="push-right">335F 05/16 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vmcjormp/push?y=26" target="_blank">vmcjormp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接買會沒面子</span><span class="push-right">336F 05/16 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是中國企業又各種繞路從國外買 變成單看起來像是</span><span class="push-right">337F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herculus6502/push?y=26" target="_blank">herculus6502</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊 陶 蛙</span><span class="push-right">338F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期一半根撿便宜</span><span class="push-right">339F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 非中國買的</span><span class="push-right">340F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaza1128/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaza1128</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃：我就說不去了吧！浪費我時間</span><span class="push-right">341F 05/16 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就繞去新加坡馬來西亞印尼而已 公開的秘密</span><span class="push-right">342F 05/16 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DOMENKING/push?y=26" target="_blank">DOMENKING</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 挖屋</span><span class="push-right">343F 05/16 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普投顧的股票是不是還沒買完？</span><span class="push-right">344F 05/16 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cliche/push?y=26" target="_blank">cliche</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不賣沒什麼，美國要小心的是來至支那的技術偷竊</span><span class="push-right">345F 05/16 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普禁止出貨東南亞 洗貨給中企 那輝達才真的要崩</span><span class="push-right">346F 05/16 19:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GAP5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">GAP5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 戰</span><span class="push-right">347F 05/16 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/youarefat/push?y=26" target="_blank">youarefat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在就算要買也是買B200/300吧？</span><span class="push-right">348F 05/16 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cliche/push?y=26" target="_blank">cliche</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 及透過第三地轉賣至支那</span><span class="push-right">349F 05/16 19:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asddsatw/push?y=26" target="_blank">asddsatw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶當時手中沒牌，想說壓晶片當籌碼，太苦了，老黃</span><span class="push-right">350F 05/16 19:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ymx3xc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ymx3xc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豆汁ㄦ都喝了</span><span class="push-right">351F 05/16 19:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a 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style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tabrisPTT/push?y=26" target="_blank">tabrisPTT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該是不想被多收25%吧</span><span class="push-right">370F 05/16 19:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ZXSC/push?y=26" target="_blank">ZXSC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃應該覺得川普真他媽垃圾，當初禁，禁到人家不</span><span class="push-right">371F 05/16 19:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ZXSC/push?y=26" target="_blank">ZXSC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買，晚了也不要惹QQ</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pttbeigowow/push?y=26" target="_blank">pttbeigowow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸質押仔哭暈在公園</span><span class="push-right">373F 05/16 19:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hipmyhop/push?y=26" target="_blank">hipmyhop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聽習屁精在那邊放屁 還不早買一堆了</span><span class="push-right">374F 05/16 19:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevingo0215/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevingo0215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼超漲就怎麼超跌</span><span class="push-right">375F 05/16 19:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken123321987/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken123321987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃牛勳就是個傻屌 上次被阿三訪問到破防把自己底牌</span><span class="push-right">376F 05/16 19:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken123321987/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken123321987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 掀給中共看 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target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 檯面上便宜的不買啊 喜歡買貴的 問就是贏一百萬次</span><span class="push-right">385F 05/16 19:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看馬來西亞新加坡賺AI財就知道了 美超微事件☺</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iimirageii/push?y=26" target="_blank">iimirageii</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末鬼故事</span><span class="push-right">387F 05/16 19:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/baolidab/push?y=26" target="_blank">baolidab</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌到17x歐印</span><span class="push-right">388F 05/16 19:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tist/push?y=26" target="_blank">tist</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自研晶片，自騙經費 傻傻分不清楚</span><span class="push-right">389F 05/16 19:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看起來川狗這趟只跪舔，沒什麼實際貢獻</span><span class="push-right">390F 05/16 19:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nbgfdew/push?y=26" target="_blank">nbgfdew</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一句話就能停供 老共再苦再廢也要堅持國產</span><span class="push-right">391F 05/16 19:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tigerbul1986/push?y=26" target="_blank">tigerbul1986</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美：你想買我考慮賣 中：我真不想啊~</span><span class="push-right">392F 05/16 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class="ptt-push-content">: 大爆崩</span><span class="push-right">400F 05/16 20:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/angeltear15/push?y=26" target="_blank">angeltear15</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 糕</span><span class="push-right">401F 05/16 20:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsukasachung/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsukasachung</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要A爛囉</span><span class="push-right">402F 05/16 20:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰知川普是不是高高在上當作在施捨，或者夾帶條件</span><span class="push-right">403F 05/16 20:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，被洗臉就剛好</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qoo10067/push?y=26" target="_blank">qoo10067</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI 伺服器又要下去了</span><span class="push-right">405F 05/16 20:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wei683/push?y=26" target="_blank">wei683</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正一開始就是禁賣啊，不就是川皇搞了一個戰爭，現</span><span class="push-right">406F 05/16 20:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wei683/push?y=26" target="_blank">wei683</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在怕美國內部怨念越來越來而開始低聲下的嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g9911761/push?y=26" target="_blank">g9911761</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爆開</span><span class="push-right">408F 05/16 20:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chilagow945/push?y=26" target="_blank">chilagow945</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不是本來就知道的事嗎？</span><span class="push-right">409F 05/16 20:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Roger5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">Roger5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃:嬤嬤救命啊</span><span class="push-right">410F 05/16 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zzzzzlss/push?y=26" target="_blank">zzzzzlss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末鬼故事</span><span class="push-right">411F 05/16 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這是確定NV沒有營收再突破的機會</span><span class="push-right">412F 05/16 20:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/house911/push?y=26" target="_blank">house911</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蛤 ?</span><span class="push-right">413F 05/16 20:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/max0616/push?y=26" target="_blank">max0616</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豆汁白喝了 哭啊</span><span class="push-right">414F 05/16 20:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oking/push?y=26" target="_blank">oking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣一手好牌打到爛，被奸川玩死</span><span class="push-right">415F 05/16 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/paul2chiu/push?y=26" target="_blank">paul2chiu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了要崩盤了</span><span class="push-right">416F 05/16 20:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f33783378/push?y=26" target="_blank">f33783378</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI會跌幾根呢</span><span class="push-right">417F 05/16 20:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要開財報了 拿這種本來就沒買的半年前新聞再來嚇人</span><span class="push-right">418F 05/16 20:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一次 不曉得是何居心XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/r825324/push?y=26" target="_blank">r825324</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週一大爆崩～又能低撿了</span><span class="push-right">420F 05/16 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ds1999h/push?y=26" target="_blank">ds1999h</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才剛買NVDL....</span><span class="push-right">421F 05/16 20:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HarukaLoveu/push?y=26" target="_blank">HarukaLoveu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老ai周一跌停</span><span class="push-right">422F 05/16 20:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/spa41260/push?y=26" target="_blank">spa41260</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就沒有要買啊，真的要買幹嘛不1月買，過4個月</span><span class="push-right">423F 05/16 20:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/spa41260/push?y=26" target="_blank">spa41260</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 後再買難道是智障？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是本來就沒買？</span><span class="push-right">425F 05/16 20:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohohohya/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohohohya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 檯面上的不要 我們偉大的祖國要SMC的走私貨</span><span class="push-right">426F 05/16 20:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BMHSEA/push?y=26" target="_blank">BMHSEA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是走私的祖國可不要</span><span class="push-right">427F 05/16 20:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Grothendieck/push?y=26" target="_blank">Grothendieck</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這消息可以用無數次，下次再來</span><span class="push-right">428F 05/16 20:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰叫H200內置後門，好在H200開放中國代工就可以進口</span><span class="push-right">429F 05/16 20:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wekaytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wekaytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看寒武紀噴出不就知道了 型態很明顯</span><span class="push-right">431F 05/16 20:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 繞第三國貼牌免抽25%沒有額外關稅更便宜 還能用B200</span><span class="push-right">432F 05/16 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Zoro80298/push?y=26" target="_blank">Zoro80298</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐美友善就可以買 整天搞 中國不想受制於人自搞研發</span><span class="push-right">433F 05/16 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜一大概39000保衛戰了</span><span class="push-right">434F 05/16 20:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HNCB2880/push?y=26" target="_blank">HNCB2880</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買垃圾幹嘛</span><span class="push-right">435F 05/16 20:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CYL009/push?y=26" target="_blank">CYL009</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: H200過氣惹</span><span class="push-right">436F 05/16 21:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/welcome/push?y=26" target="_blank">welcome</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你們連台灣的機器都可以遠端關機，誰敢用</span><span class="push-right">437F 05/16 21:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 20日晚間公佈財報</span><span class="push-right">438F 05/16 21:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/solidmiss/push?y=26" target="_blank">solidmiss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且用美系 以後要用在軍工都被看光</span><span class="push-right">439F 05/16 21:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben020516/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben020516</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: A起來</span><span class="push-right">440F 05/16 21:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rick6304/push?y=26" target="_blank">rick6304</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晚來 我們就不要了</span><span class="push-right">441F 05/16 21:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Taiwannapa1/push?y=26" target="_blank">Taiwannapa1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幹 大爆崩</span><span class="push-right">442F 05/16 21:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fjtc12/push?y=26" target="_blank">fjtc12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 水啦 財富自由的機會終於來了 星期一空單下去 應該</span><span class="push-right">443F 05/16 21:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fjtc12/push?y=26" target="_blank">fjtc12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用停損了吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99nvdl</span><span class="push-right">445F 05/16 21:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/currygaygay/push?y=26" target="_blank">currygaygay</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當初禁不就該想到今天了-.-</span><span class="push-right">446F 05/16 21:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gooddogleg/push?y=26" target="_blank">gooddogleg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給機會上車還不快謝謝</span><span class="push-right">447F 05/16 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/idealman/push?y=26" target="_blank">idealman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來變成富豪中國旅行團了</span><span class="push-right">448F 05/16 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z1120123/push?y=26" target="_blank">z1120123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這應該預想得到的事情啊 不意外啦 照噴</span><span class="push-right">449F 05/16 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jW72/push?y=26" target="_blank">jW72</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中共只是死要面子表面不買實際上各種管道偷偷買進中</span><span class="push-right">450F 05/16 21:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jW72/push?y=26" target="_blank">jW72</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國一直都是這樣….</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keynote1/push?y=26" target="_blank">keynote1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太爽啦，再跌三根</span><span class="push-right">452F 05/16 21:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/woulin/push?y=26" target="_blank">woulin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國完成國產替代了，雖然性能差點</span><span class="push-right">453F 05/16 21:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/woulin/push?y=26" target="_blank">woulin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是能用，而且用量來取勝</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maxeffort/push?y=26" target="_blank">maxeffort</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃董這批H200是多少量? 感覺已經五鬼搬運了吧XD</span><span class="push-right">455F 05/16 21:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TOCIBS/push?y=26" target="_blank">TOCIBS</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃仁勳：你妹的 還不是你搞的</span><span class="push-right">456F 05/16 21:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aimgel/push?y=26" target="_blank">aimgel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末鬼故事</span><span class="push-right">457F 05/16 21:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/livewater/push?y=26" target="_blank">livewater</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老AI周一又要跌到狗吃屎了</span><span class="push-right">458F 05/16 21:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neil25/push?y=26" target="_blank">neil25</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買美國的ai 會不會像f16一樣 可以被遠端關機</span><span class="push-right">459F 05/16 21:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kenhon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kenhon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我知道你還有很多錢 cc</span><span class="push-right">460F 05/16 21:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zBen/push?y=26" target="_blank">zBen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 北京拒(正常管道)買H200晶片 不是偷渡的我鼻要喔^.&lt;</span><span class="push-right">461F 05/16 21:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okbon/push?y=26" target="_blank">okbon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣rtx5900就好</span><span class="push-right">462F 05/16 21:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sheep2009/push?y=26" target="_blank">sheep2009</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了拉 黑市漲得跟甚麼一樣</span><span class="push-right">463F 05/16 21:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/evilwithin/push?y=26" target="_blank">evilwithin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI is over</span><span class="push-right">464F 05/16 21:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mntonmylife/push?y=26" target="_blank">mntonmylife</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不簽,但是還是會買,所以是不用簽</span><span class="push-right">465F 05/16 21:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/giantwinter/push?y=26" target="_blank">giantwinter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 100收</span><span class="push-right">466F 05/16 21:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sianan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sianan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早就沒在賣的東西算利空 笑死</span><span class="push-right">467F 05/16 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/squallhung/push?y=26" target="_blank">squallhung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可能鴻海（富士康）也會跌？</span><span class="push-right">468F 05/16 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herochang/push?y=26" target="_blank">herochang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NV快跌到170吧，我還想上車</span><span class="push-right">469F 05/16 22:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Dia149/push?y=26" target="_blank">Dia149</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了</span><span class="push-right">470F 05/16 22:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://reurl.cc/L2qdRx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://reurl.cc/L2qdRx</a> 華為要感謝美國政府賜他吃</span><span class="push-right">471F 05/16 22:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穿</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華為預估，2026年AI晶片營收將達約120億美元，相比2</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 025年的75億美元大幅成長。除了950PR外，公司也計畫</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在第4季推出升級版950DT，進一步擴大產品線</span></div> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://finance.ettoday.net/amp/amp_news.php7?news_id=3158653&amp;amp;ref=mw&amp;amp;from=google.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>輝達卡關！　華為中國AI晶片銷售暴衝6成 | ETtoday財經新聞 | ETtodayAMP</strong></a> <a href="https://finance.ettoday.net/amp/amp_news.php7?news_id=3158653&amp;amp;ref=mw&amp;amp;from=google.com" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="453" style="width:655px;height:453px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8609/e8609113.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>在美中科技戰與出口管制影響下，輝達（NVIDIA）在中國市場進展受阻，反而讓華為快速崛起。最新消息指出，華為今年AI晶片銷售將大幅成長至少60%，有望一舉拿下中國市場最大市占。 ...</div></div> </div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q09701023/push?y=26" target="_blank">q09701023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不需要了</span><span class="push-right">476F 05/16 22:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaa80563/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaa80563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 輝達 is over</span><span class="push-right">477F 05/16 22:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stop0000/push?y=26" target="_blank">stop0000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嫌豆汁難喝 人神共憤</span><span class="push-right">478F 05/16 22:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nintenblo/push?y=26" target="_blank">nintenblo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 表面不買，但私下超賣然後貼自己牌，中國不是沒做過</span><span class="push-right">479F 05/16 22:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imlucky/push?y=26" target="_blank">imlucky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還好吧，有是加分</span><span class="push-right">480F 05/16 22:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/now99/push?y=26" target="_blank">now99</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒差 按下關機鍵 看誰的AI還在運作就知道了</span><span class="push-right">481F 05/16 22:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vgil/push?y=26" target="_blank">vgil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪老黃吐槽豆汁</span><span class="push-right">482F 05/16 22:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/akanokuruma/push?y=26" target="_blank">akanokuruma</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以前台灣技術輸出中國 沒想過中國復製復刻吧</span><span class="push-right">483F 05/16 22:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TopG/push?y=26" target="_blank">TopG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把商品說成被兄弟輪到外翻的臭抹布</span><span class="push-right">484F 05/16 22:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TopG/push?y=26" target="_blank">TopG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還要人家跪拜重金彩禮娶進門</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TopG/push?y=26" target="_blank">TopG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子也不是傻子</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gbman/push?y=26" target="_blank">gbman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 扶植自己人!以後大概只進消費級的XD</span><span class="push-right">487F 05/16 22:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/windalso/push?y=26" target="_blank">windalso</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓禁令名有口實 中一樣從新加坡買</span><span class="push-right">488F 05/16 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/allenz78/push?y=26" target="_blank">allenz78</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 白去了？</span><span class="push-right">489F 05/16 22:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 新加坡偷賣顯卡給中國，這樣算不算畫三角形</span><span class="push-right">490F 05/16 22:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b54102/push?y=26" target="_blank">b54102</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得這很正常 中國幹嘛花大錢買不是最好的晶片</span><span class="push-right">491F 05/16 22:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greyrose7/push?y=26" target="_blank">greyrose7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: nv盤了半年多才剛勃起 真是情何以堪</span><span class="push-right">492F 05/16 22:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Erechtheus/push?y=26" target="_blank">Erechtheus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: xi真的很硬，但不得不說是對的堅持</span><span class="push-right">493F 05/16 22:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Erechtheus/push?y=26" target="_blank">Erechtheus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國想要勝出就必須要有自產自研能力</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Erechtheus/push?y=26" target="_blank">Erechtheus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 軟體、LLM模型訓練對中國都不是問題</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DHPdotD/push?y=26" target="_blank">DHPdotD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NVDA這樣亂漲，禮拜一會？</span><span class="push-right">496F 05/16 22:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Erechtheus/push?y=26" target="_blank">Erechtheus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: xi很清楚中國要發展的重點是什麼</span><span class="push-right">497F 05/16 22:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mystage/push?y=26" target="_blank">mystage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是啊，這都意料之內的。你是中國會依賴隨時被停</span><span class="push-right">498F 05/16 23:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mystage/push?y=26" target="_blank">mystage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 售的東西嗎？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mystage/push?y=26" target="_blank">mystage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NVDA目前本益比也才四十多，完全不貴。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mmnnoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">mmnnoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃： 豆汁白喝了</span><span class="push-right">501F 05/16 23:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/carkyoing/push?y=26" target="_blank">carkyoing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黃準備回來台灣道歉</span><span class="push-right">502F 05/16 23:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/we147121/push?y=26" target="_blank">we147121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等5/20財報衝一波</span><span class="push-right">503F 05/16 23:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mystage/push?y=26" target="_blank">mystage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國的AI產業鏈一定是自成體系。完全不必寄望</span><span class="push-right">504F 05/16 23:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/domon0525/push?y=26" target="_blank">domon0525</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">505F 05/16 23:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tenka92417/push?y=26" target="_blank">tenka92417</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國供應鏈現在就不可信，看心情隨時能斷你設備的</span><span class="push-right">506F 05/16 23:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tenka92417/push?y=26" target="_blank">tenka92417</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還想讓阿共砸錢投資？真的當阿共領導班子是傻子哦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChoiceLife/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChoiceLife</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晚了就不要了 崩 週一比手速</span><span class="push-right">508F 05/16 23:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/realbout/push?y=26" target="_blank">realbout</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 電車都快被中共按在地上摩擦了 人類得到的教訓就是</span><span class="push-right">509F 05/16 23:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/realbout/push?y=26" target="_blank">realbout</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 永遠學不會教訓</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NV跌4%就反應這個啊</span><span class="push-right">511F 05/16 23:23</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: H200不是廣達 鴻海的戰場，緯創好像有做吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoeyChen/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoeyChen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一部分證明黃是對的</span><span class="push-right">513F 05/16 23:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaron68032/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaron68032</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國不公開買，底下都嘛買好買滿</span><span class="push-right">514F 05/16 23:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ansinlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">ansinlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不買很正常吧，買這垃圾過時產品要做什麼 還不如用</span><span class="push-right">515F 05/16 23:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ansinlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">ansinlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國產或偷渡</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/afflic/push?y=26" target="_blank">afflic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以前人家想買的時候不給人家買</span><span class="push-right">517F 05/16 23:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/afflic/push?y=26" target="_blank">afflic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在人家要自己搞了也不跟你買了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tnksda/push?y=26" target="_blank">tnksda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸</span><span class="push-right">519F 05/16 23:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/supisces/push?y=26" target="_blank">supisces</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這才是真的糖衣毒藥，H200 附帶500台波音飛機嗎？</span><span class="push-right">520F 05/16 23:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/domago/push?y=26" target="_blank">domago</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有遠見的 不要都用買的</span><span class="push-right">521F 05/16 23:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bj4j45/push?y=26" target="_blank">bj4j45</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前不是一個很紅的播客印度小哥說ai晶片就像濃縮</span><span class="push-right">522F 05/17 00:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bj4j45/push?y=26" target="_blank">bj4j45</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鈾惹怒黃爸，結果現在中國說想自己研發</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slayptter/push?y=26" target="_blank">slayptter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出事</span><span class="push-right">524F 05/17 00:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imba789/push?y=26" target="_blank">imba789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死</span><span class="push-right">525F 05/17 00:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ax0101/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ax0101</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該自己搞起來了...所以不需要了...</span><span class="push-right">526F 05/17 00:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jing0607/push?y=26" target="_blank">jing0607</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 啊幹底氣啊，呆丸連次級武器都跪著買，還笑中國哪</span><span class="push-right">527F 05/17 00:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jing0607/push?y=26" target="_blank">jing0607</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 青鳥奮起</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/battlewind/push?y=26" target="_blank">battlewind</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這東西就被美國拿來當政治籌碼阿 誰敢依賴</span><span class="push-right">529F 05/17 00:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/battlewind/push?y=26" target="_blank">battlewind</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就像美國也不敢放手稀土</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highca0709/push?y=26" target="_blank">highca0709</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死，這篇中吹像蟑螂一樣全跑出來，講的好像中國</span><span class="push-right">531F 05/17 00:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highca0709/push?y=26" target="_blank">highca0709</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI已經完爆美國了，全球市值前十沒一家中國公司，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highca0709/push?y=26" target="_blank">highca0709</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中吹到底丟不丟臉</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fish19910821/push?y=26" target="_blank">fish19910821</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪肉鬆倒爛 原來早知道</span><span class="push-right">534F 05/17 00:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從台灣轉出去就好了啊</span><span class="push-right">535F 05/17 00:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗯啊，有個川什麼的還親自飛去吹，板上的應該學學</span><span class="push-right">536F 05/17 00:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a9564208/push?y=26" target="_blank">a9564208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪跑去吃乾麵，沒得談不如吃點好吃的</span><span class="push-right">537F 05/17 00:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wrbdnombd/push?y=26" target="_blank">wrbdnombd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打臉低能兒好爽</span><span class="push-right">538F 05/17 00:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 走私就拿得到了，誰還要跟你走官方審核流程</span><span class="push-right">539F 05/17 00:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ciobe/push?y=26" target="_blank">ciobe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在都出道B200/B300 誰跟你買上一代的~</span><span class="push-right">540F 05/17 00:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幹我的nvdl</span><span class="push-right">541F 05/17 00:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sim3000/push?y=26" target="_blank">sim3000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明天一根 賣飛變NV黑 哈哈</span><span class="push-right">542F 05/17 00:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lavign/push?y=26" target="_blank">lavign</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃仁勳嘴賤：「中國不應獲得輝達最先進晶片。」</span><span class="push-right">543F 05/17 00:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bearq258/push?y=26" target="_blank">bearq258</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還不是偷偷走私用，嘴上不要身體就.,,</span><span class="push-right">544F 05/17 00:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fajita/push?y=26" target="_blank">fajita</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死.老黃北京喝豆汁!</span><span class="push-right">545F 05/17 00:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lavign/push?y=26" target="_blank">lavign</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 波音中國也沒有承諾要買，連200架都沒有</span><span class="push-right">546F 05/17 00:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jorway666/push?y=26" target="_blank">jorway666</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 裂開</span><span class="push-right">547F 05/17 00:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DiDi30mm/push?y=26" target="_blank">DiDi30mm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死了，中國業者都私下從東南亞購買輝達晶片，有沒</span><span class="push-right">548F 05/17 00:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DiDi30mm/push?y=26" target="_blank">DiDi30mm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有從美國直接購買根本沒差好嗎？ 輝達持續賣鏟子越</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DiDi30mm/push?y=26" target="_blank">DiDi30mm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣越多</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Wall62/push?y=26" target="_blank">Wall62</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豆汁白喝了</span><span class="push-right">551F 05/17 01:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s5894143/push?y=26" target="_blank">s5894143</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣想自研，要看某些政黨臉色，像是軍武..</span><span class="push-right">552F 05/17 01:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Dragonz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Dragonz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太晚就不要了，自己不賣在先</span><span class="push-right">553F 05/17 01:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xylinum/push?y=26" target="_blank">xylinum</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸了</span><span class="push-right">554F 05/17 01:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/southes/push?y=26" target="_blank">southes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不賣最好</span><span class="push-right">555F 05/17 01:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Skycrane/push?y=26" target="_blank">Skycrane</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 騙人下車？</span><span class="push-right">556F 05/17 02:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aiam/push?y=26" target="_blank">aiam</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣了擔心AI之後打不過 不賣害怕以後晶片瓜分天下</span><span class="push-right">557F 05/17 02:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pili0830/push?y=26" target="_blank">pili0830</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 輝達套在高點</span><span class="push-right">558F 05/17 02:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aids893001/push?y=26" target="_blank">aids893001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 暴跌</span><span class="push-right">559F 05/17 02:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a28200266/push?y=26" target="_blank">a28200266</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 啊不就發現三不五時卡脖子了 當然寧可自己做啊</span><span class="push-right">560F 05/17 02:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a28200266/push?y=26" target="_blank">a28200266</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國小廠 研究室會偷買 大廠不可能了 大廠每個都有</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a28200266/push?y=26" target="_blank">a28200266</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 共產黨的人 抓到直接完蛋</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ksjr/push?y=26" target="_blank">ksjr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該是怕被美國一鍵關機</span><span class="push-right">563F 05/17 02:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華為昇騰晶片已經追上H100 雖然還落後H200 但中國政</span><span class="push-right">564F 05/17 02:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 府鐵了心要扶持自家晶片 避免被卡脖子 拒買是正常</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/GWsDxv.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/GWsDxv.jpg</a></span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 世界大學電腦科學排名 第一名北京清華大學 目前世</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 界AI兩強就是中美</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="393" data-ori_h="800" style="width:393px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/GWsDxv.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SapiensChang/push?y=26" target="_blank">SapiensChang</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別再豪洨了啦樓上 你懂什麼ai笑死人 中國ai和美國ai</span><span class="push-right">570F 05/17 02:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SapiensChang/push?y=26" target="_blank">SapiensChang</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的差別是天與地</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sheep2009/push?y=26" target="_blank">sheep2009</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國追上了 然後黑市gpu價格越來越貴？</span><span class="push-right">572F 05/17 02:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那你又懂個屁 發一篇看看啊</span><span class="push-right">573F 05/17 02:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/niburger1001/push?y=26" target="_blank">niburger1001</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禿頭尼克害的</span><span class="push-right">574F 05/17 02:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BigCheese/push?y=26" target="_blank">BigCheese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 智障新聞，都嘛走私B200，中國自研？喔是喔</span><span class="push-right">575F 05/17 02:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SapiensChang/push?y=26" target="_blank">SapiensChang</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我就本行的啊 發個屁文 無知就別再出來丟人現眼 算</span><span class="push-right">576F 05/17 03:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SapiensChang/push?y=26" target="_blank">SapiensChang</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 力天與地的差別 真的很好笑</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bizer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bizer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這產業還很新，通用架構給你nv,專用架構還是一片藍</span><span class="push-right">578F 05/17 04:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bizer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bizer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海，google都做給你看了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/puta/push?y=26" target="_blank">puta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 表面不買 實際偷偷買</span><span class="push-right">580F 05/17 08:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Car1osCorrea/push?y=26" target="_blank">Car1osCorrea</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 扶植（x 抄襲(O</span><span class="push-right">581F 05/17 08:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是老樣子，一對中吹仔不敢買中港股票，中國ai吹的</span><span class="push-right">582F 05/17 08:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多厲害，在股板這連買個中國股票支持都不敢，笑死人</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 各位好好思考一下為什麼這些中吹仔連個中港股票買都</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不敢買，川普上台後發生的關稅戰、美伊戰爭，完全不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會被中吹仔牽著鼻子帶風向，你就知道怎麼投資賺大錢</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對了，本人Nvidia 股票成本139，歡迎中吹仔說出他們</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買了什麼中港股票，不過跟各位打賭這篇還是沒有一位</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoneoil/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoneoil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中吹仔敢秀出他的中港持股</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rs2016/push?y=26" target="_blank">rs2016</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被川普害死了</span><span class="push-right">592F 05/17 09:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w9070030/push?y=26" target="_blank">w9070030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國：不收庫存垃圾</span><span class="push-right">593F 05/17 09:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/skyangler/push?y=26" target="_blank">skyangler</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 研發(X) 走私(O)</span><span class="push-right">594F 05/17 09:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jkokpcu/push?y=26" target="_blank">jkokpcu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鬼故事真多</span><span class="push-right">595F 05/17 09:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slimak/push?y=26" target="_blank">slimak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 咱們要蓋晶片長城</span><span class="push-right">596F 05/17 10:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eqhibiki/push?y=26" target="_blank">eqhibiki</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那麼舊誰要，至少B300</span><span class="push-right">597F 05/17 10:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tmdl/push?y=26" target="_blank">tmdl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大的 大的要來了</span><span class="push-right">598F 05/17 10:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span 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身為一個鄉民，常常看到很多經典幹話，有些聽著雖然很諷剌、心酸，但也很切中要害。有 候也看著很有趣，但也有警惕作用。所以想請各位資深鄉民能不能分享有那些經典幹話或梗 圖。 我先分享幾個： 1、別人恐懼，我貪婪。別人小虧，我破產。 2、新手別看閒聊區。 3、存股台積電，不如存股宏達電。 4、我的庫存損益已經綠到有牛在上面吃草了。 ---- Sent from BePTT on my iPhone 12 Pro Max ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> d2623 (Andre Kostolany的追隨者)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [心得] PTT股版經典幹話語錄<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 16:52:57 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <div class="combine-lines">身為一個鄉民，常常看到很多經典幹話，有些聽著雖然很諷剌、心酸，但也很切中要害。有 候也看著很有趣，但也有警惕作用。所以想請各位資深鄉民能不能分享有那些經典幹話或梗 圖。</div> 我先分享幾個： 1、別人恐懼，我貪婪。別人小虧，我破產。 2、新手別看閒聊區。 3、存股台積電，不如存股宏達電。 4、我的庫存損益已經綠到有牛在上面吃草了。 ---- Sent from <span style="color:#0000F0">BePTT </span>on my iPhone 12 Pro Max <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <a href="https://imgur.com/iJVE6m4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/iJVE6m4.jpg</a> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 49.215.97.210 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: d2623 2026-05-16 16:52:57</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778921579.A.3FD.html" target="_blank">#1g231hFz (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778921579.A.3FD.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778921579.A.3FD.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Marginal/push?y=26" target="_blank">Marginal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大爆V</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 16:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gilikl/push?y=26" target="_blank">gilikl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印紅茶店</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 16:55</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: d2623 (49.215.97.210 臺灣), 05/16/2026 16:55:42</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 新手要看閒聊區</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 16:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 救命啊！哇啊啊！媽媽！</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 16:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iversonya/push?y=26" target="_blank">iversonya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 相信哲哲 財富對折</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 16:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TIPPK/push?y=26" target="_blank">TIPPK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1. 真的是這樣 我正2槓正2 差點破產</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 16:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 戶頭沒錢就再匯錢進去就好</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 16:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/superamd/push?y=26" target="_blank">superamd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一天一中租 想想看甚麼等級</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 17:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fhscyt/push?y=26" target="_blank">fhscyt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你還有錢啊</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 17:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budda/push?y=26" target="_blank">budda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我知道你還有錢</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 17:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/weilawda/push?y=26" target="_blank">weilawda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 睏霸數錢</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 停損後認錯買回就重置成本了</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budda/push?y=26" target="_blank">budda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 咕嚕咕嚕...</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bheegrl/push?y=26" target="_blank">bheegrl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我早就說過</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 17:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AMD大 建議你酸150連勝= =</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 17:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cir78918/push?y=26" target="_blank">cir78918</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 師傅語錄：</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pk0943/push?y=26" target="_blank">pk0943</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空頭大屠殺，這只是剛開始。</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NekomataOkay/push?y=26" target="_blank">NekomataOkay</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資小兒</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五月五萬 六月六萬 年底12萬 (聽起來也是蠻淦話的)</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 17:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wallaceboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">wallaceboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶卡哇</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 17:07</span></div> <div 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class="ptt-push-content">: 媽媽！！！</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cowaksor/push?y=26" target="_blank">cowaksor</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下輩子再跟你們炒股</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cp17/push?y=26" target="_blank">cp17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 昨天忘記跟你說要殺下去</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jsdf/push?y=26" target="_blank">jsdf</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一張不賣 奇蹟自來</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第3個是反諷投顧老蘇講幹話</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thirtyto/push?y=26" target="_blank">thirtyto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: x萬放空 驕傲幾輩子</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 17:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸 信貸 車貸 All in 這個好像沒人中招</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 17:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zzzzzlss/push?y=26" target="_blank">zzzzzlss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: vvvvvvvvvv</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 17:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span 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class="ptt-push-content">: 有新鮮阿弟想無套肛交嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waiting101/push?y=26" target="_blank">waiting101</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 叫你別看閒聊是真的…我就吃過虧了</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 17:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cheedo/push?y=26" target="_blank">cheedo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貪狗 一波帶走</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 17:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子 開始在閒聊了 股市藥丸</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> 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class="push-right">55F 05/16 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0429/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0429</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣….</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mytheternal/push?y=26" target="_blank">mytheternal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 相信魏哲家</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuegg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuegg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該沒有人XXX了吧</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> 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href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/Zu4q9uxU.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/Zu4q9uxU.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/Zu4q9uxU.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="800" style="width:800px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_Zu4q9uxU.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Masaccio/push?y=26" target="_blank">Masaccio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你是什麼蛙，呱呱呱</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/YnSWqDiX.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/YnSWqDiX.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/YnSWqDiX.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="627" style="width:800px;height:627px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_YnSWqDiX.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cheedo/push?y=26" target="_blank">cheedo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ㄟㄟㄟ 來看李雅英 學中文</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leftwalk/push?y=26" target="_blank">leftwalk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 生平不識谷月涵</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/1IateX0v.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/1IateX0v.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 17:28</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/1IateX0v.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="600" data-ori_h="511" style="width:600px;height:511px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_1IateX0v.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hong92/push?y=26" target="_blank">hong92</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大爆VVVVVVVVV，多蛙專屬</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/MmYFFtwf.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/MmYFFtwf.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 17:28</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/MmYFFtwf.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="682" data-ori_h="800" style="width:682px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_MmYFFtwf.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fisher6879/push?y=26" target="_blank">fisher6879</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊陶鴨</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雜蛙魯空</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3是老蘇的銘言啊XD</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LINPINPARK/push?y=26" target="_blank">LINPINPARK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 套著配 舒服！</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 17:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonylolz/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonylolz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3是老蘇的</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買美債好安心！套著賠也舒服！</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 17:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多蛙會所嫩模</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hanesan/push?y=26" target="_blank">hanesan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AndyMAX/push?y=26" target="_blank">AndyMAX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是不是看不起+~</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TalkMuch/push?y=26" target="_blank">TalkMuch</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我OK你先買</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc0922001/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc0922001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股，簡單</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sixkeeper/push?y=26" target="_blank">sixkeeper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不能再錯過了</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越爛越噴</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KOSMOST/push?y=26" target="_blank">KOSMOST</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 糕</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maxweel/push?y=26" target="_blank">maxweel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股不會跌的 是給你上車的機會</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littleheadv/push?y=26" target="_blank">littleheadv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: eps負的，要漲停買不到了</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/idernest/push?y=26" target="_blank">idernest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/7uLReRj" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/7uLReRj.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 17:40</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="225" data-ori_h="225" style="width:225px;height:225px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/7uLReRj.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tt333925/push?y=26" target="_blank">tt333925</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買入紅茶店躺入停屍間，棒康紅茶店買房賺透天！空</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 17:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gilikl/push?y=26" target="_blank">gilikl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低買高賣，賺錢好煎蛋</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tt333925/push?y=26" target="_blank">tt333925</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買橘子換房子、買霹靂換賓利、買台開趕投胎！</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是2498</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yomo2/push?y=26" target="_blank">yomo2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放著配 都舒服 被套就被套講啥幹話</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loopdiuretic/push?y=26" target="_blank">loopdiuretic</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 位階搭配獲利 放著配都舒服</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒人愛才好撿 根本不用追高</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 17:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mardy0422/push?y=26" target="_blank">mardy0422</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要跌一點點就受不了好不好</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/THE6/push?y=26" target="_blank">THE6</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你會贏</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budaixi/push?y=26" target="_blank">budaixi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/cL3iHlx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/cL3iHlx.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 17:50</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="579" style="width:1024px;height:579px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/cL3iHlxh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sh960215/push?y=26" target="_blank">sh960215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭博就賭博，別說你投資嘛</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hellomo/push?y=26" target="_blank">hellomo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得「chill西朗」超白癡XDDDDD</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 17:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hellomo/push?y=26" target="_blank">hellomo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有「Z5炭吉謀」</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hidecxa/push?y=26" target="_blank">hidecxa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 夜盤跌假的</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kuanhunter/push?y=26" target="_blank">kuanhunter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.ibb.co/Y7N4FwW4/1.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.ibb.co/Y7N4FwW4/1.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 17:53</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="500" data-ori_h="300" style="width:500px;height:300px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.ibb.co/Y7N4FwW4/1.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gdp10/push?y=26" target="_blank">gdp10</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99緯創</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/piyieen/push?y=26" target="_blank">piyieen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 南喵哥兒終將大獲全勝</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maximper79/push?y=26" target="_blank">maximper79</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股都四萬了 還不信貸加槓桿</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 17:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qoo60606/push?y=26" target="_blank">qoo60606</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 600以下台積電是天上掉下來的禮物</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hc20016/push?y=26" target="_blank">hc20016</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: chill西狼</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FrankCastle/push?y=26" target="_blank">FrankCastle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越爛越噴 XX委屈了</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這裡就是逃命反彈</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yousking/push?y=26" target="_blank">yousking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 媽媽！媽媽啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 17:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/minhua/push?y=26" target="_blank">minhua</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記住那些萬八叫你賣股的ID</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 17:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gremon131/push?y=26" target="_blank">gremon131</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 萬用哲哲語錄</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littlelaba/push?y=26" target="_blank">littlelaba</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼Ella 怎麼villa</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fairwarning/push?y=26" target="_blank">fairwarning</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99________</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jin49518124/push?y=26" target="_blank">jin49518124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最經典的大概就是一天一中租= =</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cphafa/push?y=26" target="_blank">cphafa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 魚尾留給別人</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q888atPt/push?y=26" target="_blank">q888atPt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空軍召集令</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/blackwing000/push?y=26" target="_blank">blackwing000</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空頭不死多頭不止</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/idernest/push?y=26" target="_blank">idernest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/lwuNhuy" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/lwuNhuy.png</a></span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 18:02</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="575" style="width:1024px;height:575px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/lwuNhuyh.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Watson0620/push?y=26" target="_blank">Watson0620</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: XXXXX直播鐵鎚碎睪丸。</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 18:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一天一中出</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 18:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/marginalFeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">marginalFeng</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="http://imgur.com/JtCJuJI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/JtCJuJI.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 18:04</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="174" style="width:1024px;height:174px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/JtCJuJIh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股版有碎睪者</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 18:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/tO8DR2.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/tO8DR2.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 18:05</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="800" style="width:800px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/tO8DR2.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuan0119/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuan0119</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺錢很簡單，綠買紅賣</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 18:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/mMphOxt" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/mMphOxt.gif</a></span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 18:06</span></div> <div align="center"><div align="center" style="white-space: nowrap;"><iframe style="max-width:100%;" width="600" height="500" src="/iframe/imgur-embed.php?imgurId=mMphOxt" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/piercingX/push?y=26" target="_blank">piercingX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印長榮 一生光榮</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/0WHMewm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/0WHMewm.gif</a></span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div align="center"><div align="center" style="white-space: nowrap;"><iframe style="max-width:100%;" width="600" height="500" src="/iframe/imgur-embed.php?imgurId=0WHMewm" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/horun/push?y=26" target="_blank">horun</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今日買入 明日會所</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/oERzQ53" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/oERzQ53.gif</a></span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 18:08</span></div> <div align="center"><div align="center" style="white-space: nowrap;"><iframe style="max-width:100%;" width="600" height="500" src="/iframe/imgur-embed.php?imgurId=oERzQ53" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pkh1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">pkh1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股版壞人多</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記住那些叫你XX的ID</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/r30385/push?y=26" target="_blank">r30385</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 送分題</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 18:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneIneed/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneIneed</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要看閒聊是真的</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 18:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/Ohn8Q5U" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/Ohn8Q5U.gif</a></span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 18:13</span></div> <div align="center"><div align="center" style="white-space: nowrap;"><iframe style="max-width:100%;" width="600" height="500" src="/iframe/imgur-embed.php?imgurId=Ohn8Q5U" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starport/push?y=26" target="_blank">starport</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也覺得不要看閒聊 做自己的</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 18:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f99999993/push?y=26" target="_blank">f99999993</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低買高賣賺錢好煎蛋</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 18:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j65p4m3/push?y=26" target="_blank">j65p4m3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過了這個村....但好像都解套了</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 18:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sweet1124/push?y=26" target="_blank">sweet1124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會贏ㄛ</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 18:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JimiMayer/push?y=26" target="_blank">JimiMayer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 套著配都舒服</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 18:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azhu/push?y=26" target="_blank">azhu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明天一根</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 18:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GoGoD/push?y=26" target="_blank">GoGoD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 睏霸數錢</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 18:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/v7q4/push?y=26" target="_blank">v7q4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 隨便買，隨時買，不要賣</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 18:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maxman77/push?y=26" target="_blank">maxman77</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 追高仔在山頂學狗叫</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 18:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/exceedMyself/push?y=26" target="_blank">exceedMyself</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別人恐懼我癱軟 別人攤平我躺平</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 甜甜價 買不停 放著配 好蘇湖</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 18:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推f204137: 台積電神話要消失了01/04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crazy81709/push?y=26" target="_blank">crazy81709</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難道今天只有我賠錢嗎？</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近的幹話 ”尊嚴停損” 吧</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/reese0326/push?y=26" target="_blank">reese0326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是歐硬</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kgppra/push?y=26" target="_blank">kgppra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你會贏喔</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brain9453/push?y=26" target="_blank">brain9453</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貪狗 一波帶走</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 18:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brain9453/push?y=26" target="_blank">brain9453</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有貪狗山頂套牢學狗叫嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貪狗 一波帶走</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 18:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m180/push?y=26" target="_blank">m180</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都是股版閒聊影響我</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/river98/push?y=26" target="_blank">river98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台大教授：台積電會跌到500以下</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/galleon2000/push?y=26" target="_blank">galleon2000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股版壞人多</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kokilly/push?y=26" target="_blank">kokilly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長期投資越買越多買成大富翁</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/exceedMyself/push?y=26" target="_blank">exceedMyself</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一張不賣悲從中來</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/object/push?y=26" target="_blank">object</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我ok 你先買</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 18:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/danhunter/push?y=26" target="_blank">danhunter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰賠錢</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berserk/push?y=26" target="_blank">berserk</a> 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class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 媽媽</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/16 18:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nickelpig/push?y=26" target="_blank">nickelpig</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 竟然沒有 大爆噴噴爽蛇！</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 18:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Adrian/push?y=26" target="_blank">Adrian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 相信鴻海 別墅靠海</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ogkw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ogkw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我ok 你先買。</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 18:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ogkw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ogkw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 魚尾留給別人賺</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ogkw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ogkw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 套著配也舒服</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hun410705/push?y=26" target="_blank">hun410705</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打電話，抬去割</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/16 18:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ogkw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ogkw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不急</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tony32135/push?y=26" target="_blank">tony32135</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股不會跌</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/16 18:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maxweel/push?y=26" target="_blank">maxweel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 護國神山 拉積盤</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/16 18:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/happyclamp/push?y=26" target="_blank">happyclamp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 彎腰撿鑽石 滿手都是血</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/16 18:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/youbo0627/push?y=26" target="_blank">youbo0627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我知道你還有錢 我知道你還有呼吸</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 18:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/addy7533967/push?y=26" target="_blank">addy7533967</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: CF語錄都可以出一本書了吧，笑話全集</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h1y2c3y2h1/push?y=26" target="_blank">h1y2c3y2h1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不要跌一點點就受不了好不好</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近我看撐盤dog的圖都覺得滿好笑的</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pttbeigowow/push?y=26" target="_blank">pttbeigowow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸質押仔苦暈在公園</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/16 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/blackbrid/push?y=26" target="_blank">blackbrid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AVAVAVAVAVAVAVAVAVAVAVAVAVAV</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h1y2c3y2h1/push?y=26" target="_blank">h1y2c3y2h1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 山頂上玩有誰能贏</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/16 18:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h1y2c3y2h1/push?y=26" target="_blank">h1y2c3y2h1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 底部進場不贏也難</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 救命阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/16 18:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/winner1/push?y=26" target="_blank">winner1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把覺得美債好棒棒的那幾篇摘錄就好了啊 每篇都是經</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 18:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/winner1/push?y=26" target="_blank">winner1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 典 呵呵</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gdm0037/push?y=26" target="_blank">gdm0037</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 噴 崩 快逃</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamdds/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamdds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒殺意</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/people01/push?y=26" target="_blank">people01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 合一的一是....</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yyyou/push?y=26" target="_blank">yyyou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/FHCvcf7" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/FHCvcf7.gif</a></span><span class="push-right">190F 05/16 19:03</span></div> <div align="center"><div align="center" style="white-space: nowrap;"><iframe style="max-width:100%;" width="600" height="500" src="/iframe/imgur-embed.php?imgurId=FHCvcf7" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ahgjk/push?y=26" target="_blank">ahgjk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空軍著急令</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債質押三層</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/16 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dream74917/push?y=26" target="_blank">dream74917</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股票很簡單 低買高賣</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/16 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借越多賺越多</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/16 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pc0501/push?y=26" target="_blank">pc0501</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰?</span><span class="push-right">195F 05/16 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dobedobedo/push?y=26" target="_blank">dobedobedo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老黄屁眼起火</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/16 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lulalachan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lulalachan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老謝東方神秘力量</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/16 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Shepherd1987/push?y=26" target="_blank">Shepherd1987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/WussBle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/WussBle.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">198F 05/16 19:12</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="710" style="width:1024px;height:710px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/WussBleh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Horoscopes/push?y=26" target="_blank">Horoscopes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以虧錢不能少賺</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/16 19:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Shepherd1987/push?y=26" target="_blank">Shepherd1987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/gikqz2V" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/gikqz2V.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">200F 05/16 19:14</span> <span 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class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/harry801030/push?y=26" target="_blank">harry801030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蒸的丸子</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zigq/push?y=26" target="_blank">zigq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/tFjm6gdl.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/tFjm6gdl.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">204F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/tFjm6gdl.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="663" data-ori_h="800" style="width:663px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_tFjm6gdl.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/r22025/push?y=26" 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原文標題： 請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除 三星罷工倒數5天》李在鎔返國溫情喊話勸阻，韓企憂自家員工模仿、勞方驚傳內鬨 原文連結： 網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分。 https://www.storm.mg/article/11132267 三星罷工倒數5天》李在鎔返國溫情喊話勸阻，韓企憂自家員工模仿、勞方驚傳內鬨 | 李靖棠 | 新聞 - 風傳媒 面對旗下企業即將面臨創廠以來最嚴重的大型罷工，本在海外奔波的三星電子（Samsung Electronics）董事長李在鎔，16日下午緊急變更行程從日本回國，並親自在首爾金浦商務航空中心，針對公司勞資衝突引發全球市場焦慮，他本人破天荒地公開對廣大國民道歉，並在發言期間三度鞠躬。身穿西裝的李在鎔，手拿 ... 發布時間： 請勿張貼超過3天新聞 5/16 記者署名： 原文內容： 面對旗下企業即將面臨創廠以來最嚴重的大型罷工，本在海外奔波的三星電子（Samsung Electronics）董事長李在鎔，16日下午緊急變更行程從日本回國，並親自在首爾金浦商 務航空中心，針對公司勞資衝突引發全球市場 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> leepingyo (御前一品帶刀龍侍衛)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 三星罷工倒數5天》李在鎔返國溫情喊話勸<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 16:18:05 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 三星罷工倒數5天》李在鎔返國溫情喊話勸阻，韓企憂自家員工模仿、勞方驚傳內鬨 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://www.storm.mg/article/11132267" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.storm.mg/article/11132267</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.storm.mg/article/11132267" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>三星罷工倒數5天》李在鎔返國溫情喊話勸阻，韓企憂自家員工模仿、勞方驚傳內鬨 | 李靖棠 | 新聞 - 風傳媒</strong></a> <a href="https://www.storm.mg/article/11132267" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="368" style="width:655px;height:368px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/images.storm.mg_clou4b14db330cb20cb79c1cf0d5e9a1b563.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>面對旗下企業即將面臨創廠以來最嚴重的大型罷工，本在海外奔波的三星電子（Samsung Electronics）董事長李在鎔，16日下午緊急變更行程從日本回國，並親自在首爾金浦商務航空中心，針對公司勞資衝突引發全球市場焦慮，他本人破天荒地公開對廣大國民道歉，並在發言期間三度鞠躬。身穿西裝的李在鎔，手拿 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 5/16 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">面對旗下企業即將面臨創廠以來最嚴重的大型罷工，本在海外奔波的三星電子（Samsung Electronics）董事長李在鎔，16日下午緊急變更行程從日本回國，並親自在首爾金浦商 務航空中心，針對公司勞資衝突引發全球市場焦慮，他本人破天荒地公開對廣大國民道歉 ，並在發言期間三度鞠躬。</div> <div class="combine-lines">身穿西裝的李在鎔，手拿一頁講稿表示，「對於我們公司內部問題，引發外界不安，並損 及全球客戶信任，我在此向全體國民、以及全球客戶致上最深切歉意。對於始終支持、熱 愛並鞭策三星的民眾，我再次謙卑地低頭認錯。」</div> <div class="combine-lines">歷時3分鐘的聲明中，李在鎔嘗試喊話和安撫，堅持在5月21日發動罷工的工會身上，釋放 出溫情與整合訊號，「工會的同仁、所有三星的家人們，我們是一個生命共同體，更是一 家人。現在是大家凝聚智慧、團結力量，並朝著同一個方向前進的關鍵時刻。」</div> 李在鎔強調，前方的狂風暴雨將由自己獨自承擔，所有的責任也交由他來扛。希望所有人 一起努力，再次為身為三星人而感到自豪。 但對比李在鎔發言的風平浪靜，在工會和政府這一側，可就沒有這麼淡定。 <div class="combine-lines">隨著勞資雙方在「利潤分成與績效獎金制度」的矛盾升級，全球晶片巨頭三星電子，不只 距離罷工預告只剩5天，而且這柄天平似乎正導向罷工一端。南韓政府高層與產業界領袖 ，已接連發出嚴厲警告，直言這場危機、將對南韓總體經濟及全球半導體供應鏈，帶來災 難性的破壞。</div> <div class="combine-lines">在半導體精密製程中，產線一旦面臨停工，即時只有數小時，也是嚴重大問題，因為只要 停工，後續要讓自動化機台「暖機、校準、重新投料」，要恢復正常運作，至少需要耗費 數週額外時間。</div> <div class="combine-lines">多位產業分析師已發布預警，稱這場為期18天的罷工，一旦實質癱瘓三星的晶圓代工與先 進記憶體（HBM）產線，其連鎖引發的直接與間接經濟損失，將達到恐怖的100兆韓元（約 新台幣2.1兆元）規模。</div> 如今三星工會態度極其強硬，日前再次回絕資方的妥協方案。 <div class="combine-lines">面對如同國安級別的經濟威脅，南韓政府內部已經開始研議，動用罕見的「緊急協調權」 可能性。這項強制仲裁令一旦啟動，政府將能依法在第一時間，強制中止罷工，並將勞資 雙方推進由政府主導的強制調解程序。</div> 而如今首爾當局的態度似乎也出現明顯轉向，南韓產業通商資源部長金正官（Kim Jung-kwan）公開指出，假如果三星勞資談判最終破裂，政府將不得不在最後一刻採取干 預手段，透過發動緊急協調權、強行暫時凍結罷工。 <div class="combine-lines">「半導體工廠一旦停止運作，單日所產生的直接產值損失，就將高達1兆韓元規模，更致 命的是，由於半導體晶片製造，需要歷經長達五個月以上、數百道極其精密且完全不間斷 的連續工序，一旦在製產線因罷工而中斷，導致正在曝光、顯影或薄膜沉積的晶圓，出現 大面積變質毀損，總體經濟損失，將瞬間飆升至恐怖的100兆韓元。」</div> 此外，金正官還補充提到，隨著三星產線停擺，將導致全韓國境內約1700家半導體協力廠 商，與材料、設備供應商，在第一時間同步遭受毀滅性的二次連鎖損害。 <div class="combine-lines">事實上，半導體晶圓廠的停機損失，遠比汽車製造或傳統重工業還要驚人。如果按照南韓 產業部單日損失1兆韓元的估算模型，三星電子的半導體產線，每停工一小時，其蒸發的 金額就高達416億韓元（約新台幣8.8億元）。</div> <div class="combine-lines">對比西門子（Siemens）最新發布的《2024 年停機真實成本》報告，因生產線中斷造成的 平均每小時損失，汽車工業約為230萬美元（約新台幣7262萬元）、石油與天然氣產業約 為50萬美元。至於傳統重工業廠房，則是30萬美元（約新台幣947.3萬元）。半導體產業 的停機代價，顯然是常規製造業的數十倍之多。</div> 這種「禁不起微小當機」的特性，其實在歷史上曾發生過，時間回溯到2018年，三星位於 平澤的快閃記憶體廠，當時曾發生過意外停電，雖然整起事故僅持續28分鐘，但由於高溫 爐管與化學氣體中斷，導致整批在製晶圓當場報廢，最終釀成高達500億韓元（約新台幣 10.55億元）的經濟損失。 <div class="combine-lines">這場歷史性勞資衝突的震央核心，是三星電子工會要求公司，將「績效獎金公式制度化」 ，並與實際營業利潤綁定的剛性訴求有關。工會主張，三星必須將半導體事業部每年實際 營業利益15%，撥為員工固定分紅，並全面廢除現行超額利潤獎金（OPI），「不得超過員 工年薪50%」的上限封頂條款。</div> 然而，三星資方對此堅決反對，強調一旦將分紅比例公式化，將嚴重削弱管理層在面對半 導體劇烈景氣循環時，可動用的財務調度與經營彈性。 <div class="combine-lines">與此同時，南韓各大工商團體也連帶陷入集體焦慮。多個資方擔憂，一旦三星電子此番在 工會的罷工威脅下，做出實質妥協或讓步，將在南韓國內各大產業間引發連鎖反應，促使 類似的激進分紅訴求蔓延全境。</div> <div class="combine-lines">但事實上，這種「利潤分成」的工會訴求，早已在南韓全面點燃，包含HD現代重工、現代 汽車、三星生物製劑（Samsung Biologics），以及網路巨頭Kakao的工會，近期都相繼拋 出類似的利潤分成提案。</div> 面對潛在星火燎原的潛在危機，南韓六大全國性工商團體計畫發表聯合聲明，公開呼籲三 星工會自制並取消罷工，同時強烈敦促政府、立刻發動緊急協調權遏止罷工。 然而，工會內部其實也並非鐵板一塊，《中央日報》報導指出，如今對外是勞資雙方的肉 搏戰，三星內部其實也爆發基層員工之間，嚴重的跨部門對立內鬨。 <div class="combine-lines">負責消費電子、智慧型手機與行動通訊業務的DX（裝置體驗）事業部成員，近日公開砲轟 、認為目前的工會運作，已完全被半導體部門所把持，完全淪為半導體高科技員工爭取私 利的御用工具。</div> DX事業部員工不滿指出，工會的激進手段正在摧毀整個三星對外商譽，他們已正式向法院 聲請假處分，要求依法中止、目前由半導體主導的勞資對話與罷工程序。 南韓一家前十大財閥集團的資深人資副總裁匿名受訪時，給出一段警示，在他看來，這場 波及財閥內部的風暴，恐怕將徹底重塑整個南韓企業界，長年實行的薪酬與勞資關係。 <div class="combine-lines">「如果一家跨國企業，被迫將這種因科技景氣短期大爆發、AI大流行帶來的機會性超額利 潤，透過剛性的公式固定分給員工，那過去幾十年維繫各行各業穩健運作的薪酬體系，與 職級連動機制將在幾年內徹底瓦解。三星今天的危機，絕非只侷限一家公司的內部糾紛， 而是整個南韓工業競爭力的結構性死結。」</div> <div class="combine-lines">這名高層還無奈地指出，如果整個社會往後的薪資標準，只能盲目對標那群賺取暴利的少 數頂尖半導體大廠，而完全無視不同產業間，存在實質生產力差異、跨國競爭版圖與市場 存亡條件，這最終只會讓南韓社會，陷入更極端的貧富撕裂與階級衝突。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 這齣鬧劇看起來 最後結局幾乎快寫好了 政府：緊急命令不准罷 企業工會強制調解 市場歡呼慶祝 30天後再來一輪（？ 但工會內部其他部門 後面還會願意讓半導體部門全權主導嗎 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 59.124.115.133 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: leepingyo 2026-05-16 16:18:05</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778919487.A.69A.html" target="_blank">#1g22W_QQ (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778919487.A.69A.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778919487.A.69A.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a 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</span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐巴該跟印光取材 看怎麼馴服員工的</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 16:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪怕只罷工一天 三星就慘好幾個月</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 16:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madeinheaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">madeinheaven</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 剛剛有快訊18號重啟薪資談判</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 16:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國傳產薪資太高 三星必須出更高薪 然後拖競爭力</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 16:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國勞工應該最後還是不敢罷</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 16:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/JSu4NIW" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/JSu4NIW.png</a>教練 好想贏韓國~~</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 16:38</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="783" data-ori_h="800" style="width:783px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/JSu4NIW.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星有真的霸過 雖然這次應該不會</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 16:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budda/push?y=26" target="_blank">budda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好想他罷工</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuen1029/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuen1029</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趕快罷別再倒數了</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 16:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dikey0213/push?y=26" target="_blank">dikey0213</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 敢罷工通通換成外勞就好</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 16:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/intela03252/push?y=26" target="_blank">intela03252</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我好奇韓國輿論是怎樣，因為看起來連政府都呼籲不</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 16:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/intela03252/push?y=26" target="_blank">intela03252</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要罷工</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子 重啟談判 卡蛙要跌了</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 16:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shine32025/push?y=26" target="_blank">shine32025</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府要引進移工</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 16:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 90%霸不成</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 16:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 舉個例子 台灣一般民眾會支持台積電罷工嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ss425727100/push?y=26" target="_blank">ss425727100</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還好在台灣連發起的機會都沒有</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然不會 大家只會覺得GGER還賺不夠多嗎 貪心</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 16:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這兩年三星的員工也是有大幅度加薪 只是覺得不夠</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟賺的不成比例</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pf775/push?y=26" target="_blank">pf775</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 臺積電沒有工會嗎？</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 16:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wwwcom71/push?y=26" target="_blank">wwwcom71</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣贏麻了</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 16:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪支etf 和台積沒關係 一般人當然不支持</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 16:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然是沒有啊XD 台灣巨型企業沒有工作的多囉</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 16:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 工會</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒工會就是企業賺錢良率的不二法門囉</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣應該多數人支持台積罷工</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 16:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣可以讓台股、房價崩爛，他們就會變富有了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kload/push?y=26" target="_blank">kload</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 關我屁事？給你錢快點罷</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 16:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看民調快70%人不支持三星罷工 只有不到20%支持</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 16:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 輿論暴力+政府喊話罷不成啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopigou/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopigou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小心大卡車</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FatFatQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FatFatQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反觀台奴 低薪沾沾自喜</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 16:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ericf129/push?y=26" target="_blank">ericf129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只會情勒 卻不肯比肩海力士</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 16:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eierom/push?y=26" target="_blank">eierom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 罷工確定的話記憶體要飆了</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 16:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budda/push?y=26" target="_blank">budda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 身為gg股東不想它罷，但身為gg家屬，罷了才能放假</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 16:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littleMad/push?y=26" target="_blank">littleMad</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在台灣半導體業如果待遇不好就換工作啊，哪有時間</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 16:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littleMad/push?y=26" target="_blank">littleMad</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟你組工會</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rebel/push?y=26" target="_blank">rebel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看要求阿 合理的要求支持 貪得無厭的要求不支持</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 17:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/catboost/push?y=26" target="_blank">catboost</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去跟員工說不要跟外面的說啊ㄏ</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 17:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s77329/push?y=26" target="_blank">s77329</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國第一大企業加薪這麼小氣</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TIPPK/push?y=26" target="_blank">TIPPK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 護理抗議都被攻擊了 台灣其他公司很難抗爭</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 17:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littlelaba/push?y=26" target="_blank">littlelaba</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 罷工會崩吧......怎會飆</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 17:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LDPC/push?y=26" target="_blank">LDPC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現代都要跟進去罷工了 海力士學西方這套搞死韓企</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 17:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolrock/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolrock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國勞方加油，支持罷工</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 17:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/whc760123/push?y=26" target="_blank">whc760123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆人都不知道 三星員工最慘的時候 薪資加分紅不到</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 17:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/whc760123/push?y=26" target="_blank">whc760123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積4成 現在想拿回之前的分紅 撤掉分紅上限就被罵</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/whc760123/push?y=26" target="_blank">whc760123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成豬頭 韓國那個物價 配上三星之前的薪水 可憐哪</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madeinheaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">madeinheaven</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 別唬爛好嗎</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 17:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Joeyangyu/push?y=26" target="_blank">Joeyangyu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國連醫師都可以罷工了</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 17:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Joeyangyu/push?y=26" target="_blank">Joeyangyu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國當時國內 民眾狂罵</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Joeyangyu/push?y=26" target="_blank">Joeyangyu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 醫師還是罷工</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Joeyangyu/push?y=26" target="_blank">Joeyangyu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 臺灣很難看到啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lmc66/push?y=26" target="_blank">lmc66</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 絕對支持啊 罷到三星倒掉更好 先投降的是小狗</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 17:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整天倒數就是不敢罷</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 17:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 罷了MU飆吧 競品啊</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 17:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒hbm台積電要封裝什麼？怎麼出貨？別以為只有三星</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 17:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出事而已整條鏈都會影響</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星根本不怕吧，到時候一定政府出來不准罷工 國企</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 17:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是爽啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madeinheaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">madeinheaven</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星是國企? 真相是三星白手起家 台積電政府創立</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/e44444/push?y=26" target="_blank">e44444</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府都說不準罷工了，沒戲唱了</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星實質企業稅率跟台積電比你就知道是不是國企了三</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 17:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星稅率低到炸，這不是補貼國企思維是什麼？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/henry831103/push?y=26" target="_blank">henry831103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看看SK海力士</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orange7986/push?y=26" target="_blank">orange7986</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府強行凍結罷工是怎樣？國軍去產線輪班喔</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cleanx/push?y=26" target="_blank">cleanx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 罷工若喊停，記憶體股就崩了</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kimi0126/push?y=26" target="_blank">kimi0126</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說不定公司自己也想罷工</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leepingyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">leepingyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星是私人成立 但他們可是比GG拿到更多政府支持</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/soulism/push?y=26" target="_blank">soulism</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國的高薪，是工會拼出來的。</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkangel119/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkangel119</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 賺都是高層賺走</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myv3688/push?y=26" target="_blank">myv3688</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再熔斷</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fhill12/push?y=26" target="_blank">fhill12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 阿就是要錢 喊話有什麼用</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星實質上就國企沒啥問題吧 名義上不是而已</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國政府直接禁止罷工</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 18:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰罷工誰被炒魷魚合法</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府凍結罷工權，你誰敢不上班就回去喝西北風啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府要強行不準罷工有啥難的 不給你合法罷工就好了</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外面還很多人等著進來上班</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他只要裁定本次罷工不合法 看有幾個人敢不去上班</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜一記憶卡蛙崩爛了，罷工利多沒了</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 18:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星罷工動搖國本，政府一定不准，但會放小福利，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勞工肯定內訌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 罷工造成損失，今年績效分潤全砍成0</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 18:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/panjanhon/push?y=26" target="_blank">panjanhon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國政府一定站在三星吧 畢竟後面損失難以估計</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 18:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jackydon/push?y=26" target="_blank">jackydon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哲哲好興奮啊！</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fay001/push?y=26" target="_blank">fay001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星員工加油阿，大罷工大成功！！！</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sanxiao/push?y=26" target="_blank">sanxiao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子 禮拜一呆股記憶卡哇全數跌停伺候</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maxman77/push?y=26" target="_blank">maxman77</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大霸公 大成功 卡蛙噴爛！</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Atwo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Atwo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喊個話 可以少發好多錢</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 18:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Atwo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Atwo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 李這樣太soft了吧 誰參與就開除誰 把他從窄門踢出去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/VicOladipo/push?y=26" target="_blank">VicOladipo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑爛講一堆屁話就是不給獎金 垃圾慣老闆都一個樣</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 共體時艱 大賺錢時要錢免肖想</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g27834618/push?y=26" target="_blank">g27834618</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾萬罷工 政府介入有個屁用 三星妥協吧</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他最好踢員工阿 海力士正好接收 當初三星就是放棄</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 18:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: HBM技術跟NV合作 才成就海力士現在的發展</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/VicOladipo/push?y=26" target="_blank">VicOladipo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 醫師那個不同好不 一邊喊缺人一邊又擋人進來放任偏</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 18:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/VicOladipo/push?y=26" target="_blank">VicOladipo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鄉去死 吃相難看</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你踢越多員工 海力士跟美光市佔越高越穩</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/VicOladipo/push?y=26" target="_blank">VicOladipo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過勞幫你加人然後你說不行我要$$$$$</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g27834618/push?y=26" target="_blank">g27834618</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得直接發槍了 政商要鬥就來鬥</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主要還是大賺錢時 跟海力士的待遇差太多了 別真搞到</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 18:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最那批員工全都帶技術投靠海力士跟美光</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這批有經驗的員工現在可是搶手貨 離職可不怕沒人要</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕什麼 離職就抓去關</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuyuy/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuyuy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美光那種薪水沒人要來吧</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vampirelin/push?y=26" target="_blank">vampirelin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只能說奴性不夠</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 18:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peter98/push?y=26" target="_blank">peter98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一群奴工 XD</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 18:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/niceyeh/push?y=26" target="_blank">niceyeh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鬼島乖乖爆肝</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 18:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nash1314/push?y=26" target="_blank">nash1314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 留言寫敢罷工通通換成外勞的是在說笑話嗎？三星已</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 18:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nash1314/push?y=26" target="_blank">nash1314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 經是南韓第一名的企業，進去裡面的各個都是人中龍</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nash1314/push?y=26" target="_blank">nash1314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鳳，找誰取代誰？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外勞也有人中龍鳳，換成外勞會被幹礁到下市</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MizPerfect/push?y=26" target="_blank">MizPerfect</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公司賠錢的時候，薪資可以比照分紅扣回去嗎？</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 18:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MizPerfect/push?y=26" target="_blank">MizPerfect</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只能同甘不能共苦，看透透</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/liangnet/push?y=26" target="_blank">liangnet</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公司賠錢就沒分紅而已，為啥得扣薪</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 19:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamdds/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamdds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公司賠錢是公司的問題，現在賺錢就是要分出來，很難</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 19:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamdds/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamdds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 理解？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icelaw/push?y=26" target="_blank">icelaw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GG思蜜達</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大罷工 大成宮 對了 記得申請專利</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ueu966/push?y=26" target="_blank">ueu966</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真心配方南韓勞工</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 19:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yabaleo/push?y=26" target="_blank">yabaleo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: MU要V了！！</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/realtreasure/push?y=26" target="_blank">realtreasure</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定下週之前就落幕了 只是錢的問題 跟醫師那個差多</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 19:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/realtreasure/push?y=26" target="_blank">realtreasure</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慣老闆畫大餅！不要相信啊，趕快罷工….</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: MU沒反應還跌啊 99MU</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/harry801030/push?y=26" target="_blank">harry801030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 找個挺三星的記者羈押阿，還要人教</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 19:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zochu/push?y=26" target="_blank">zochu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慣老闆賺這麼多還不分</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 19:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starfirerex/push?y=26" target="_blank">starfirerex</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺那麼多不分那就活該賠錢</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 19:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kpa788691/push?y=26" target="_blank">kpa788691</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶卡蛙飛天了</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 19:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sl9800998/push?y=26" target="_blank">sl9800998</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 猜最後取消罷工 沒這麼有種 就是奴</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gbman/push?y=26" target="_blank">gbman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公司賠錢會裁員阿!你以為哩CC</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 20:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死，三星是要人家當奴隸，人家海力士員工都笑著上</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 20:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 班，三星哭著上班喔，我真的笑了，景氣循環現在就是</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體大發賺三年，之後記憶體還有沒有榮景都不知道</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 耶</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/drraujn/push?y=26" target="_blank">drraujn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星罷工背後是北韓的陰謀！台灣的作業不會抄嗎？</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/16 21:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/artjio/push?y=26" target="_blank">artjio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一家人，這蠻好笑的</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 21:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/artjio/push?y=26" target="_blank">artjio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 分紅比例化跟資金調度也很扯，等於是說，公司狀況</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/artjio/push?y=26" target="_blank">artjio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大好時，反而不會想到員工</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/artjio/push?y=26" target="_blank">artjio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但這也是現實沒錯</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 李在鎔扮白臉，政府扮黑臉，分配好了</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 21:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以股東角度，對員工自然是愈苛刻愈好，對員工好是股</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 東的損失</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badgreen/push?y=26" target="_blank">badgreen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實他們是跟自己國家的同業海力士比，而且業績確</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/16 21:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badgreen/push?y=26" target="_blank">badgreen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 實也跟海力士差不多好，我覺得算是合理 不然折衷一</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badgreen/push?y=26" target="_blank">badgreen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下應該也可以談談</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badgreen/push?y=26" target="_blank">badgreen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你這一兩年不調到跟海力士一樣，那這樣你就只能撿</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badgreen/push?y=26" target="_blank">badgreen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海力士沒應徵上的人了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aa874125/push?y=26" target="_blank">aa874125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高層說一堆就是沒提加薪</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 22:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aa874125/push?y=26" target="_blank">aa874125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 科技業如果賺錢還不分你 等他不賺錢時一樣會毫不猶</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aa874125/push?y=26" target="_blank">aa874125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 豫的裁掉你</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badgreen/push?y=26" target="_blank">badgreen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你業績很好的時候，老闆溫情喊話說我們是家人不要</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 22:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/badgreen/push?y=26" target="_blank">badgreen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 分那麼多，其實很好笑</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海力士這麼好，勞工為什麼不跳槽去海力士</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 22:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買股票都知道把不賺錢的換成賺錢的了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有人會死抱著不賺錢股票不賣，然後怒罵公司嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三星員工這麼團結喔</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/16 23:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CKRO/push?y=26" target="_blank">CKRO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反觀台積店</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 23:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上有人好好笑 說公司賠錢都沒扣你薪水 一來你怎麼</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 23:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cavitylapper/push?y=26" target="_blank">cavitylapper</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 道歉不用錢 笑死</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 23:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 知道沒有 二來可能都不用扣 直接裁了你</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 23:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你以為公司賺錢不分你的時候 賠錢不會拿你開刀啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yyls123/push?y=26" target="_blank">yyls123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府怎麼緊急進來調解法？拿槍逼雙方和解？</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/17 00:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 集團道歉不用鳥他啦</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/17 00:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人家大集團根本不用鳥員工吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從這就能看出GG為什麼強了，最便宜的人力創造最高的</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/17 00:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 產值</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/richard42/push?y=26" target="_blank">richard42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只有已開發國家才會罷工 台灣不需要</span><span class="push-right">195F 05/17 01:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jlw/push?y=26" target="_blank">jlw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 15趴的分紅有很高嗎 老闆他家可是首富呢</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/17 03:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CoolRang/push?y=26" target="_blank">CoolRang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 轉單效應，地緣風險移轉。美企MU利多：）</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/17 05:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/walille/push?y=26" target="_blank">walille</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府介入那就30天後再罷工就好</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/17 05:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/source0209/push?y=26" target="_blank">source0209</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 抗X保Y</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/17 08:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ubei/push?y=26" target="_blank">ubei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過三星也太猛了.分紅只能年薪的50%..這啥鳥規定</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/17 09:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/homeworkboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">homeworkboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還蠻佩服韓國人工會的</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/17 11:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raku/push?y=26" target="_blank">raku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國政府一定站在大財閥這邊啦</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/17 12:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tamynumber1/push?y=26" target="_blank">tamynumber1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溫情勒 賺錢的時候不分 被抗議想摸頭</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/17 13:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ivan761016/push?y=26" target="_blank">ivan761016</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說個笑話法規可以罷工但是也可以不允許罷工</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/17 15:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loveponpon/push?y=26" target="_blank">loveponpon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好團結 反觀台灣</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/17 16:12</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> ChanHoPark. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Xt 2026-05-16T14:59:33+08:00 2026-05-17T21:39:42+08:00

原文標題：台灣晶片盛世的代價！谷月涵示警「荷蘭病」：我們賺到全世界的錢，老百姓真 的幸福嗎？ 原文連結：https://www.storm.mg/article/11131639#wholePage 台灣晶片盛世的代價！谷月涵示警「荷蘭病」：我們賺到全世界的錢，老百姓真的幸福嗎？ | 劉煥彥 | 新聞 - 風傳媒 在台灣資本市場長期有「台灣先生」外號的谷月涵（Peter Kurz）認為，台灣經濟成熟度愈來愈高，又搭上半導體及AI的順風車，問題在半導體業出口暢旺，創造龐大貿易順差的榮景下，台灣正付出薪資偏低、老百姓幸福程度不足，甚至招來地緣政治風險的代價。 他認為，如果台灣不想重蹈1970年代的荷蘭覆轍，也就是 ... 發布時間：2026-05-15 08:20 記者署名：劉煥彥 原文內容： 在台灣資本市場長期有「台灣先生」外號的谷月涵（Peter Kurz）認為，台灣經濟成熟度 愈來愈高，又搭上半導體及AI的順風車，問題在半導體業出口暢旺，創造龐大貿易順差的 榮景下，台灣正付出薪資偏低、老百姓幸福程度不足，甚至招來地緣政治風險的代價。 他認為，如果台灣不想重蹈1970年代的荷蘭覆轍 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> ChanHoPark (公園先生)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 台灣晶片盛世的代價！谷月涵示警「荷蘭病<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 14:59:33 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span>台灣晶片盛世的代價！谷月涵示警「荷蘭病」：我們賺到全世界的錢，老百姓真 的幸福嗎？ <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span><a href="https://www.storm.mg/article/11131639#wholePage" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.storm.mg/article/11131639#wholePage</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.storm.mg/article/11131639#wholePage" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>台灣晶片盛世的代價！谷月涵示警「荷蘭病」：我們賺到全世界的錢，老百姓真的幸福嗎？ | 劉煥彥 | 新聞 - 風傳媒</strong></a> <a href="https://www.storm.mg/article/11131639#wholePage" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="368" style="width:655px;height:368px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/images.storm.mg_cloucf756745b58d561c887cfbfe7e989ea5.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>在台灣資本市場長期有「台灣先生」外號的谷月涵（Peter Kurz）認為，台灣經濟成熟度愈來愈高，又搭上半導體及AI的順風車，問題在半導體業出口暢旺，創造龐大貿易順差的榮景下，台灣正付出薪資偏低、老百姓幸福程度不足，甚至招來地緣政治風險的代價。 他認為，如果台灣不想重蹈1970年代的荷蘭覆轍，也就是 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span>2026-05-15 08:20 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span>劉煥彥 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">在台灣資本市場長期有「台灣先生」外號的谷月涵（Peter Kurz）認為，台灣經濟成熟度 愈來愈高，又搭上半導體及AI的順風車，問題在半導體業出口暢旺，創造龐大貿易順差的 榮景下，台灣正付出薪資偏低、老百姓幸福程度不足，甚至招來地緣政治風險的代價。</div> <div class="combine-lines">他認為，如果台灣不想重蹈1970年代的荷蘭覆轍，也就是所謂的「荷蘭病」，可以好好思 考如何促進內需，推升民間消費佔GDP（國內生產毛額）的比重，而非任由科技業出口在 台灣經濟中一枝獨秀。</div> <div class="combine-lines">現職為新世代核能業者聚界潔能（Alpha Ring）台灣董事長的谷月涵，日前在台北龍門扶 輪社例會以「台灣真正挑戰–各方勢力脅迫下的經濟轉型策略」為題發表演講，其中一個 主題是探討當前台灣經濟模式的問題及代價。</div> 他從以下幾個角度觀察，為何在當前亮麗的出口數字及經濟成長下，台灣應該好好思考調 整經濟成長的方向或因子。 第一，台灣的貿易順差強勁，意外帶來政治風險 <div class="combine-lines">谷月涵表示，2025年4月美國總統川普發表對世界各國的初步關稅名單及稅率，當時要對 台灣課徵高達32%的進口關稅，主因並非台灣本身的關稅高低或貿易障礙，而是台灣對美 國享有的高額貿易順差。</div> 他秀出一張全球因製造業優勢而享有貿易順差的國家，台灣高居第三名，在全球所有享有 貿易順差的國家也高居第五位。 「我們小小的台灣就做到這麼強，使川普把他的貿易政策對台灣非常嚴格，這個反而變成 我們的負擔了。」 第二，出口帶動的經濟成長，老百姓真的有幸福嗎？ <div class="combine-lines">2001年中國加入世界貿易組織（WTO）後，中國對外貿易順差快速擴大，「它賺了那麼多 美金，不曉得要擺在哪裡，當然放在美國的公債市場。這些資金流進美國金融市場，美國 拿到那麼多現金不知怎麼處理，金融業者就開始做一些房貸，房貸變得非常的aggressive （很用力推），把一些無辜的老百姓也逼他們去貸款，結果把他們搞得破產了，把美國經 濟也差不多搞垮了」。</div> 谷月涵也舉出中國清華大學對中國民眾吉尼係數和APC（平均消費傾向）的研究成果，吉 尼係數與平均消費傾向是經濟學中用來衡量所得分配和消費行為的兩個概念。 根據研究結果，2000年前後中國的吉尼係數與APC出現黃金交叉，之後是吉尼係數愈來愈 高，APC愈來愈低，意味中國所得分配愈來愈失衡，民眾消費意願愈來愈低。 <div class="combine-lines">「你看習近平從上任到現在，幾乎每一年都說中國要focus在內需，要focus在民間消費， 每一年都失敗了，因為中國整個結構是不利消費者存在，或有民間消費的。為什麼？因為 你要刺激外銷，必須把工資壓得很低、利率也要很低、匯率也要低。」</div> <div class="combine-lines">「台灣呢？這三種狀況都有，而且我們電費也壓得非常低，這對外銷業者很有幫助的，但 老百姓呢，就不見得有好處。可是，你要維持一個比較穩定的經濟成長率，就必須有內需 了。」</div> 第三，中國正陷入「中等所得陷阱」 <div class="combine-lines">在新冠疫情前，已經有國際經濟學家指出，中國人均所得正陷入經濟學界所稱的「中等所 得陷阱」，若能順利擺脫就能步入先進經濟體之林，問題是歷史上能順利走出該陷阱的國 家不多，中國很可能未富先老。</div> <div class="combine-lines">「中等所得陷阱」是世界銀行2006年提出的概念，意思是指一個國家或經濟體的人均GDP 或人均所得進入中等水準後（大約是3000美元至12000美元之間），經濟開始進入停滯期 ，使得人力成本無法與低所得國家競爭，科技水準又無法與高所得國家競爭，因此無望擠 進高所得國家之林。</div> 國際貨幣基金（IMF）估計，2025年中國人均GDP是13730美元，低於日本的36390美元、南 韓的37520美元、台灣的41590美元，以及新加坡的99040美元。 谷月涵指出，「中等所得陷阱」就是國家如果一直做外銷，最後總會發現有其他國家的成 本比你低，你為了競爭就只能壓低自己的報價，最後距離能做高水準產品愈來愈遠。 第四，出口帶動經濟成長，犧牲了內需刺激經濟成長的空間 他舉法國為例，「法國以前有法律規定，一個人每週只能工作35個小時，聽起來蠻可笑的 。可是全世界每個工人生產率最高的國家是哪裡？法國。」 <div class="combine-lines">「他們的工作效率提高，這樣有多餘時間去消費、過他們比較想要的生活，經濟也可以比 較平衡，因為葡萄酒等高級產品等消費量增加。他們走這個方向，台灣也可以，不一定一 直要生產外銷的產品。」</div> <div class="combine-lines">谷月涵認為，若台灣一味追求外銷及出口，代價是壓低內需消費、生活品質，「到最後你 贏了嗎？你的生活品質如何？你家裡有多少是你想要的東西？錢花在自己身上，才是高生 活品質的社會。」</div> 第五，荷蘭病正在台灣浮現 谷月涵指出，從過去10年的台灣出口金額來看，2015年半導體的金額與其他電子業維持一 定差距，但後來愈拉愈大，到了2025年已經是其他電子業的好幾倍大。 反觀傳產業的出口金額，10年來基本持平，但川普政府在針對台灣的對等關稅，竟然把台 灣金額最高的半導體業給予免稅優惠，反觀傳產業撐得很辛苦，還要多負擔一筆關稅。 <div class="combine-lines">他表示，過去幾年半導體大量吸納各方人才及社會資源，不僅造成其他產業找人困難，還 推升物價及薪資，產業發展失衡愈趨明顯，這在很多層面都非常類似1960~1970年代，荷 蘭發現外海天然氣資源而致富後的一系列社會問題，也就是「荷蘭病」。</div> <div class="combine-lines">谷月涵直言，台灣現在就要思考如何避免真正染上「荷蘭病」，不能放任現有問題持續惡 化，「這是台灣之後要面對的，因為半導體不是永遠的產業，沒有一個產業是永遠的」。 <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span></div> 台灣先生谷月涵認為台灣經濟成熟度愈來愈高，又搭上半導體及AI的順風車，但認為我們 不能過度注重外銷，也不能只重壓半導體產業，不知道各位投資人怎麼看? <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 49.216.161.205 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: ChanHoPark 2026-05-16 14:59:33</span> <span 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class="ptt-push-content">: ，他們賺多少錢好不好</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/painvano/push?y=26" target="_blank">painvano</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.meee.com.tw/jZIhDn6.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.meee.com.tw/jZIhDn6.jpg</a> 知名反指標大師</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 15:12</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://meee.com.tw/jZIhDn6" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="600" style="width:800px;height:600px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.meee.com.tw/jZIhDn6.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jo4/push?y=26" target="_blank">jo4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雖然是這樣 我覺得還是利大於弊 先把錢賺到手再說</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 15:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jo4/push?y=26" target="_blank">jo4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: \沒錢全身都是病 荷蘭病又算什麼</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rwhung/push?y=26" target="_blank">rwhung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣離荷蘭病還很遠好嗎</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 15:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WSY000000000/push?y=26" target="_blank">WSY000000000</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然台灣產業剩下什麼可以競爭？詐騙嗎？</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 15:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knightwww/push?y=26" target="_blank">knightwww</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3Q</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 15:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/marginalFeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">marginalFeng</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 懶人包：谷大師認為現在台股漲的都是台灣低薪的“血</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 15:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/marginalFeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">marginalFeng</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ”換來的 股市gdp漲荷包沒漲 你各位老公兄弟會幸福</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/marginalFeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">marginalFeng</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗎</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/marginalFeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">marginalFeng</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: *勞工</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/monz3761/push?y=26" target="_blank">monz3761</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師開示，沒有荷蘭病，準備噴到天上去</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 15:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/operatorm/push?y=26" target="_blank">operatorm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 河谷雙煞開金口,大哥吹死999</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 15:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keat/push?y=26" target="_blank">keat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭病起源是天然資源，半導體產業算是什麼天然資</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 15:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keat/push?y=26" target="_blank">keat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 源</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吹法國滿可笑的 經濟成長率長年1%上下你也能吹</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 15:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說真的不要整天反觀歐洲工人怎樣怎樣了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他媽的歐洲都要沒落了 還在那邊工人權益</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gallardo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gallardo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好的 歐印多單</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 15:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當一個國家工人都不怎麼想工作 整天依靠社福</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 15:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要整理一下嗎 大摩 小摩 謝金河 谷月涵 還有誰沒上</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 15:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 短期間看起來很幸福但總有吃盡的一天</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 15:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在歐洲看起來也沒幾年好吃了啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這歪國人出怪聲喔</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 15:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dvr/push?y=26" target="_blank">dvr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這倒是現況 西歐南歐快被社福玩垮</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 15:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 泡沫還可以繼續吹</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 15:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能壓對半導體不錯了啦 不然誰擋得住中國規模傾銷</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 15:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/potionx/push?y=26" target="_blank">potionx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？不然你講一個台灣能做又比半導體更能賺大錢的產業</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 15:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/e510171/push?y=26" target="_blank">e510171</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 照理說要把賺到的錢拿來補助其他產業或是社會福利</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 15:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/e510171/push?y=26" target="_blank">e510171</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但一堆補助預算被砍掉了：）</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mecca/push?y=26" target="_blank">mecca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可聽說法國失業率8%??</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 15:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CLucci/push?y=26" target="_blank">CLucci</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整串都廢話，不愧是谷月涵</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 15:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/e44444/push?y=26" target="_blank">e44444</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一個沒資源的鬼島，能發展成這樣很不錯了，荷蘭現</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 15:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/e44444/push?y=26" target="_blank">e44444</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在還不是很強</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icehorng/push?y=26" target="_blank">icehorng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師：不能只重壓半導體產 謝謝谷大師</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 15:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hankwanghow/push?y=26" target="_blank">hankwanghow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全員強制加薪啊</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 15:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/horsetail/push?y=26" target="_blank">horsetail</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭病不是這樣用的</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 15:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kenhon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kenhon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Cc</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 15:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maxsky/push?y=26" target="_blank">maxsky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說的內需就是房地產了</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 15:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chuntien/push?y=26" target="_blank">chuntien</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 補個健保就嘰嘰歪歪的 點值補到1沒啥了不起 連漲點</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 15:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chuntien/push?y=26" target="_blank">chuntien</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 數的空間都不給 10年執政無作為</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furret/push?y=26" target="_blank">furret</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒石油沒天然氣怎麼罹患荷蘭病</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 15:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovealgebra/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovealgebra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升值啊，敢嗎？垃圾央行控匯率</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 15:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DonDonFans/push?y=26" target="_blank">DonDonFans</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哈哈 補助其他產業 GG連自家人分紅都變少了</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 15:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hdw/push?y=26" target="_blank">hdw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的要戒慎恐懼</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 15:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amazingwow/push?y=26" target="_blank">amazingwow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 15:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovealgebra/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovealgebra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 垃圾傳產7414，沒競爭力的垃圾</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 15:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovealgebra/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovealgebra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國產車拿一堆補助，做出三小？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peterzheng/push?y=26" target="_blank">peterzheng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次要推，現在進行式了，然後政府還放不斷寬監管，</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 15:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peterzheng/push?y=26" target="_blank">peterzheng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的把台灣往火裡推....</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wiki67la/push?y=26" target="_blank">wiki67la</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人民賺股市的事情，人人退休很幸福啊</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 15:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dvr/push?y=26" target="_blank">dvr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 法國青年失業率更糟17%…所以是產業外移工作機會減</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 15:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dvr/push?y=26" target="_blank">dvr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 少？老百性太懶?平常示威抗議一堆爭取福利 但失業</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dvr/push?y=26" target="_blank">dvr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 率還是這樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovealgebra/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovealgebra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府不敢升匯率，央行繼續控，垃圾傳產綁架政府</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 15:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐洲現況很慘 社福太重 都抽年輕人重稅</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 15:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在整體經濟情況幾乎都已經失衡</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後這波AI爆發歐洲吃到的國家超少</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 退稅發錢啊</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 15:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看他的反應，AI這次穩了</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 15:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家都不願意長時間工作然後一直吵著要福利</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 15:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錢哪裡變出來?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就以前家底很厚 但現在也吃的差不多了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovealgebra/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovealgebra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳產這麼爛不值得幫，台灣沒半導體更慘</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 15:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuen1029/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuen1029</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好不幸福 都沒在消費 也很少出門 都去國外大花特花</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 15:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanley86300/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanley86300</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣內需不足就是先天人口限制 不知道谷大師有什麼</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 15:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanley86300/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanley86300</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 妙方 大家瘋狂生小孩？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Xration/push?y=26" target="_blank">Xration</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 15:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/homerunball/push?y=26" target="_blank">homerunball</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 贏麻了 這次上六萬穩穩的</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 15:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aimgel/push?y=26" target="_blank">aimgel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上六萬了</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 15:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lantimes/push?y=26" target="_blank">lantimes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幸福啊 準備買房啦</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 15:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highken/push?y=26" target="_blank">highken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷月涵為何常常示警，他到底想怎樣</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 15:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/limulus/push?y=26" target="_blank">limulus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 訊號來了XD</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 15:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳產表現爛所以降低補助，好好督促他們產業升級</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 15:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m10112256/push?y=26" target="_blank">m10112256</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還得是你啊 拯救大盤</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 15:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且台灣內需成長很驚人喔，一堆盤子價還是被訂滿</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 15:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 滿</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s58565254/push?y=26" target="_blank">s58565254</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要被政府盯上了嗎</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 15:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/snsdakb48/push?y=26" target="_blank">snsdakb48</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 15:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HarukaLM/push?y=26" target="_blank">HarukaLM</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩....</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 15:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每次都老謝，終於看到谷月涵了XD</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 15:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝大師</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 15:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alex00089/push?y=26" target="_blank">alex00089</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 河谷雙煞出聲了！</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 15:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讚嘆大師</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 15:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alex00089/push?y=26" target="_blank">alex00089</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週一開盤比手速</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 15:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鬼島穩了</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 15:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chewthelife8/push?y=26" target="_blank">chewthelife8</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來了 謝謝谷大師賜箭</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 15:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MorrisChang/push?y=26" target="_blank">MorrisChang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重壓2330</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 15:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sealin/push?y=26" target="_blank">sealin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 15:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LINPINPARK/push?y=26" target="_blank">LINPINPARK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩，我很幸福喔！</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 15:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kgppra/push?y=26" target="_blank">kgppra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我要相信老謝還是谷大師 搞得我好亂</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 15:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweertyui891/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweertyui891</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 改去買低基期的股票支持，沒人攔你</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 15:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GAP5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">GAP5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 內需要噴了</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 15:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇谷說的算短多吧，短期和老洩是同方向的</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 15:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/blitz/push?y=26" target="_blank">blitz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反指標大師能反20年,真的厲害,感謝您的信心加持讓</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 15:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/blitz/push?y=26" target="_blank">blitz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我都賺到3800萬了,還能有自信繼續歐印台股大爆賺哈</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/blitz/push?y=26" target="_blank">blitz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哈哈</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/forb9823018/push?y=26" target="_blank">forb9823018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷月涵有沒有常識啊 荷蘭病是過度依靠天然資源+高</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 15:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/forb9823018/push?y=26" target="_blank">forb9823018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 薪 台灣有嗎？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GivemeApen/push?y=26" target="_blank">GivemeApen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讚 多說一點</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 16:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kgppra/push?y=26" target="_blank">kgppra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師要台灣不要一直專注外銷 看來外銷要繼續了嗎</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 16:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stlinman/push?y=26" target="_blank">stlinman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣人準備飛天了&quot;到世界花錢，老百姓感到幸福無比&quot;</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 16:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jerry469/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jerry469</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來了</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 16:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jerry469/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jerry469</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師 讚啦！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ZH0429/push?y=26" target="_blank">ZH0429</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝谷哥 讓我買的很安心</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 16:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stlinman/push?y=26" target="_blank">stlinman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來只有國旅受傷的開示?</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 16:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 綠共青鳥不喜歡這種言論</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 16:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/springman/push?y=26" target="_blank">springman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣科技業包含到的工作人員應該不少才對，與荷蘭病</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 16:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/springman/push?y=26" target="_blank">springman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 差別很大才對吧！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunkissfu/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunkissfu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有賺錢就幸福了</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 16:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/idernest/push?y=26" target="_blank">idernest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 懂了 接下來是內需股</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 16:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晶片股完蛋了...</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 16:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 生平不識谷月涵</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 16:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 病個屁啦，現在是電子、AI供應鏈，在那瞎掰</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 16:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myheartest/push?y=26" target="_blank">myheartest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 半導體產業靠的是人礦啊 人礦也是天然資源</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 16:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myheartest/push?y=26" target="_blank">myheartest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然照台積的獲利 員工平均薪資應該三千萬</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alex00089/push?y=26" target="_blank">alex00089</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 虎蘭病</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myheartest/push?y=26" target="_blank">myheartest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 擔心少子化就是擔心人礦不足 但這是政府的事 嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tttxxx/push?y=26" target="_blank">tttxxx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這位平常不出來講話 一講話就有大事要發生了</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nightop/push?y=26" target="_blank">nightop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師加持穩了</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 16:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他沒談到台灣的領導人和政治困境有這個能力去改變</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 16:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/akuser/push?y=26" target="_blank">akuser</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝你的看空</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 16:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/house911/push?y=26" target="_blank">house911</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蛤 ?</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 16:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnb1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnb1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 同路人</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 16:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Leechihung/push?y=26" target="_blank">Leechihung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我估計再撈兩年AI財，我資產就要全轉移到VOO以及VT</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 16:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Leechihung/push?y=26" target="_blank">Leechihung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，慢慢規劃退休了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haha7456/push?y=26" target="_blank">haha7456</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難得沒辦法說谷大師是反指標</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 16:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他看衰就是可以歐印了</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 16:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fenix220/push?y=26" target="_blank">fenix220</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 16:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Marginal/push?y=26" target="_blank">Marginal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以台積還能繼續買！？</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/siki588/push?y=26" target="_blank">siki588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空內需股 重壓半導體</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Imgoodjob/push?y=26" target="_blank">Imgoodjob</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大師來了</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師這次幫忙補血?沒有跟著老謝一起發功</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 16:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那應該還不用清空持股</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lucien9999/push?y=26" target="_blank">lucien9999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他說的沒錯啊 可是執政的只在乎眼前</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WenliYang/push?y=26" target="_blank">WenliYang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這下是真穩了</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gkkcast/push?y=26" target="_blank">gkkcast</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投資還賺得到全世界的錢，不投資只能媽媽十塊錢</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/masala/push?y=26" target="_blank">masala</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 腿了幾年了呀。。。。。。</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FiveSix911/push?y=26" target="_blank">FiveSix911</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等謝金河發功</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 16:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他的意思是叫政府要發展其他產業啦</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 16:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wulaw5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">wulaw5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恭喜台灣人民有救了</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 16:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/twic/push?y=26" target="_blank">twic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 16:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國就算沒半導體 還有影視娛樂 軍工 可以撐</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/16 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andy50814/push?y=26" target="_blank">andy50814</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭沒有外勞吃到飽吧？</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/16 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yomo2/push?y=26" target="_blank">yomo2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大師開示！ 準備買買買</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovingbase/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovingbase</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我很幸福啊 我有200張0050</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/16 16:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/itwt/push?y=26" target="_blank">itwt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我現在就很幸福了</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 16:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CYL009/push?y=26" target="_blank">CYL009</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩惹</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 16:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/JSu4NIW" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/JSu4NIW.png</a>教練 好想贏韓國~~</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 16:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實 沒錢 蓮環保都不行 想想烏克蘭 當歐洲孕母</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="783" data-ori_h="800" style="width:783px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/JSu4NIW.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UPenn5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">UPenn5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包皮賴耳朵長滿包皮聽不進去啦</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sd90213/push?y=26" target="_blank">sd90213</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒錢更不幸福</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/16 16:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/clisan/push?y=26" target="_blank">clisan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然這些人講一個可以賺全世界錢的強力產業</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 16:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣人才資金土地電力都往半導體傾斜，回不去了</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/16 16:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣太小，押注半導體就沒有餘力發展其他產業</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/danhunter/push?y=26" target="_blank">danhunter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/16 16:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒跟上的產業不是收一收就是當殭屍吧</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 16:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/perlone/push?y=26" target="_blank">perlone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭那麼有錢 給你荷蘭病是看得起你</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/16 16:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳統電子3c跟ai連不上的也快不行了</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 16:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/perlone/push?y=26" target="_blank">perlone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 川湖做廚櫃的 現在股價多高?</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 16:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連腳踏車的精確都要往ai散熱模組發展</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/16 16:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說不定將來精確股本比捷安特還大</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然有零星公司可以不靠ai發展，畢竟極少數</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/popoan/push?y=26" target="_blank">popoan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 肉吃飽飽,阿不是已經發1萬,分一口湯給喝了哦</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 16:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拿幾個特例說台灣沒有荷蘭病，眼光太狹隘</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/16 16:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thirtyto/push?y=26" target="_blank">thirtyto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 超矛盾的 一下法國 一下中國 你到底想怎樣</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 16:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bing6715/push?y=26" target="_blank">bing6715</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 16:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rancilio/push?y=26" target="_blank">rancilio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 產業要看全體及趨勢不是拿幾個特例來否認</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 16:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thirtyto/push?y=26" target="_blank">thirtyto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要一個小島 內需？？ 問問香港 問問 新加坡</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ejru65m4/push?y=26" target="_blank">ejru65m4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還不夠熱 等我身邊不玩股票的老實人入場 再跑</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/perlone/push?y=26" target="_blank">perlone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 超好笑 新加坡就沒有全押金融的荷蘭病</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/16 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thirtyto/push?y=26" target="_blank">thirtyto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幸福度 台灣 很爛？？</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 16:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/acb521/push?y=26" target="_blank">acb521</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難道沒錢的台灣會更幸福嗎？？這什麼爛標題ＸＤ</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/16 16:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ejru65m4/push?y=26" target="_blank">ejru65m4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幸福度是個很弔詭的東西 發達國家幸福度偏低 前幾</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/16 16:54</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ejru65m4/push?y=26" target="_blank">ejru65m4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有發達國家。反正要看幸福程度要去看沒有帶幸福字</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ejru65m4/push?y=26" target="_blank">ejru65m4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 眼的調查</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ejru65m4/push?y=26" target="_blank">ejru65m4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去看物價加中位所得都要準確很多</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bagaalo/push?y=26" target="_blank">bagaalo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說得好像法國問題就很少？</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/16 16:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greedypeople/push?y=26" target="_blank">greedypeople</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那賺不到晶片的錢會幸福嗎?</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/16 16:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cutbear123/push?y=26" target="_blank">cutbear123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是3955時幸福 錢包薄了親情厚了</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/16 16:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thirtyto/push?y=26" target="_blank">thirtyto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去問問 不丹 啦</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/16 16:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a88152660/push?y=26" target="_blank">a88152660</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭病不是這樣用的吧 覺得產業發展不均就直說 大</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/16 16:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a88152660/push?y=26" target="_blank">a88152660</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 家都聽得懂</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dbdudsorj/push?y=26" target="_blank">dbdudsorj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭病不是這樣用 這咖到底會什麼</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/16 16:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ifuxxyou/push?y=26" target="_blank">ifuxxyou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只有谷河雙煞能救台股了</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/16 16:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dbdudsorj/push?y=26" target="_blank">dbdudsorj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭病是太高薪了 懂？</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/16 16:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thirtyto/push?y=26" target="_blank">thirtyto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海灣國 有錢到荷蘭病免疫</span><span class="push-right">206F 05/16 17:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/koushimei/push?y=26" target="_blank">koushimei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對 台灣應該回頭發展傳產</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/16 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shirman/push?y=26" target="_blank">shirman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老實講，台灣真的不缺指出問題的人，整天只會喊問題</span><span class="push-right">208F 05/16 17:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shirman/push?y=26" target="_blank">shirman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，在那邊孤芳自賞說自己是先知…解方拿出來啊？你自</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shirman/push?y=26" target="_blank">shirman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 己都沒解方了，除了維持現狀還能幹嘛？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/angelpeace/push?y=26" target="_blank">angelpeace</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鬼扯一通，荷蘭病是什麼都搞不清 …</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/16 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/windblood/push?y=26" target="_blank">windblood</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這則要怎麼看？感覺很中性XD 下週橫盤</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/16 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股海雙煞其一發功了 都老謝</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/16 17:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: yes 穩了！！</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/16 17:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/answermangtr/push?y=26" target="_blank">answermangtr</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在台灣不借錢炒股真的就淪落底層</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/16 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fhill12/push?y=26" target="_blank">fhill12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然壓工具機？</span><span class="push-right">217F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Allyssa/push?y=26" target="_blank">Allyssa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 法國失業率破8%</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/16 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/penny1119/push?y=26" target="_blank">penny1119</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/16 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 臺灣不依賴天然資源耶 他到底知道自己在說啥嗎？</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/16 17:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ddshu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ddshu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭病總比中國病好 趙家人還吃特供食品 一般人只</span><span class="push-right">221F 05/16 17:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ddshu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ddshu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能吃地溝油</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 臺灣股市很不健康，但是也試著發展技能樹去擦邊AI</span><span class="push-right">223F 05/16 17:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果肝出來的，保護輪班星人 無可取代的製造技術</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以變荷蘭病，那他或許有道理 美國華爾街率先發病</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nobeldd/push?y=26" target="_blank">nobeldd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明燈 台灣人要幸福了</span><span class="push-right">226F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fisher6879/push?y=26" target="_blank">fisher6879</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大師開口，再賺30年</span><span class="push-right">227F 05/16 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣升值美國晶片的競爭力就提高辣cc</span><span class="push-right">228F 05/16 17:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asidy/push?y=26" target="_blank">asidy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒事啦，台灣要變超強了</span><span class="push-right">229F 05/16 17:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/canallchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">canallchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 党:又是中共同路人</span><span class="push-right">230F 05/16 17:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kickflip/push?y=26" target="_blank">kickflip</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黨會不開心</span><span class="push-right">231F 05/16 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KY1998/push?y=26" target="_blank">KY1998</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣跟荷蘭差多了，人家工時低薪水高</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/16 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azcooper/push?y=26" target="_blank">azcooper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開示了 年底87000</span><span class="push-right">233F 05/16 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkangel119/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkangel119</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講什麼屁話</span><span class="push-right">234F 05/16 17:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Catdatfat/push?y=26" target="_blank">Catdatfat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要反轉了</span><span class="push-right">235F 05/16 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g0t24568/push?y=26" target="_blank">g0t24568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 準備幸福感噴爆</span><span class="push-right">236F 05/16 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 古月涵說的完全正確,不過你期待一個2300萬人口的國</span><span class="push-right">237F 05/16 18:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 家有強大的內需還有產業均衡發展是不是搞錯什麼</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要均衡發展還有足夠的內需支持 最低標就是韓國人口</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五千萬</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevinlin12/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevinlin12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師果然是大師</span><span class="push-right">241F 05/16 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david9066011/push?y=26" target="_blank">david9066011</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師要被出征了 股市4萬點還有哪個做的到</span><span class="push-right">242F 05/16 18:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你家鄰居生的10個小孩,可以公務員軍人商人工程師服</span><span class="push-right">243F 05/16 18:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 務業體育 每個領域都放小孩,有問題兄弟互相支援一</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下,然後你家只有生一個小孩 你整天在那邊擔心他跑</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FULLHD1080/push?y=26" target="_blank">FULLHD1080</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錯領域 要他什麼都學 你覺得下場會怎樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/twic/push?y=26" target="_blank">twic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國國土資源也比台灣大得多</span><span class="push-right">247F 05/16 18:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asole/push?y=26" target="_blank">asole</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來還會漲</span><span class="push-right">248F 05/16 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vampirelin/push?y=26" target="_blank">vampirelin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己能賺先賺啊，誰會管沒賺到的人...</span><span class="push-right">249F 05/16 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/niceyeh/push?y=26" target="_blank">niceyeh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已重症怎麼救</span><span class="push-right">250F 05/16 18:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loloool/push?y=26" target="_blank">loloool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有哪個國家是各產業均衡且人民幸福的？ 回答我</span><span class="push-right">251F 05/16 18:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WorkForFree/push?y=26" target="_blank">WorkForFree</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股大師 核能？</span><span class="push-right">252F 05/16 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Lindbergh/push?y=26" target="_blank">Lindbergh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老谷真的會說話 說出問題但也讓股民高潮</span><span class="push-right">253F 05/16 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamsosorry/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamsosorry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺太少靠北 賺太多也靠北 到底是要怎樣</span><span class="push-right">254F 05/16 18:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sing60905/push?y=26" target="_blank">sing60905</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣的市場就是這麼小一個 一直講內需根本笑死</span><span class="push-right">255F 05/16 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asddsatw/push?y=26" target="_blank">asddsatw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先講會漲還是會跌，別講廢話了</span><span class="push-right">256F 05/16 19:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asddsatw/push?y=26" target="_blank">asddsatw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 龍嚴都示範給你看了，其他公司買也台積股票就好</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beebee/push?y=26" target="_blank">beebee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師開示，繼續買電子股</span><span class="push-right">258F 05/16 19:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beebee/push?y=26" target="_blank">beebee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣是2000萬人外貿型零資源國家，不可能樣樣賺</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sing60905/push?y=26" target="_blank">sing60905</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我只知道台灣如果沒有科技業 現在是真的死了</span><span class="push-right">260F 05/16 19:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sing60905/push?y=26" target="_blank">sing60905</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 寧願得荷蘭病</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jack990568/push?y=26" target="_blank">jack990568</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師又來讓我放心的</span><span class="push-right">262F 05/16 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WWIII/push?y=26" target="_blank">WWIII</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積是詛咒 根本不該有這個</span><span class="push-right">263F 05/16 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 廢文又寫那麼多，台灣那麼小！到底要發展多少行業</span><span class="push-right">264F 05/16 19:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 啊？以為是什麼大國嘛…</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Seifer601/push?y=26" target="_blank">Seifer601</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反過來說 台灣沒天然資源 沒發展半導體已被中國卷</span><span class="push-right">266F 05/16 19:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Seifer601/push?y=26" target="_blank">Seifer601</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alau/push?y=26" target="_blank">alau</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺太多也不行 就一堆____在那邊叫</span><span class="push-right">268F 05/16 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/justdoit/push?y=26" target="_blank">justdoit</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結果內文一堆講中國的</span><span class="push-right">269F 05/16 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capitalofz/push?y=26" target="_blank">capitalofz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 事實啊</span><span class="push-right">270F 05/16 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sioloe/push?y=26" target="_blank">sioloe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 平生不識谷月涵</span><span class="push-right">271F 05/16 19:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shutosun/push?y=26" target="_blank">shutosun</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒什麼資源能賺到半導體說真的只能珍惜</span><span class="push-right">272F 05/16 19:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoke4096/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoke4096</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然不要賺嗎？你以為現在稅金是誰在繳阿，那些傳</span><span class="push-right">273F 05/16 19:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stoke4096/push?y=26" target="_blank">stoke4096</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 產跟工人嗎？有夠可笑</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/codehard/push?y=26" target="_blank">codehard</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 懂了</span><span class="push-right">275F 05/16 19:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigworm578/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigworm578</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反指標大師</span><span class="push-right">276F 05/16 19:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eemail/push?y=26" target="_blank">eemail</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家都有在繳稅啦,別再講無知的歪理</span><span class="push-right">277F 05/16 20:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pppopp/push?y=26" target="_blank">pppopp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 夜市一人均消500內需還不夠？</span><span class="push-right">278F 05/16 20:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wylscott/push?y=26" target="_blank">wylscott</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣若沒有科技業 世界各國根本懶得多看一眼</span><span class="push-right">279F 05/16 20:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wylscott/push?y=26" target="_blank">wylscott</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且台灣這樣的小國 不專心發展一條重要產業死更快</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s609747/push?y=26" target="_blank">s609747</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆菜B谷月涵也不知道還來股版 講一些政治五四三</span><span class="push-right">281F 05/16 20:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s609747/push?y=26" target="_blank">s609747</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jackas103/push?y=26" target="_blank">jackas103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷大師鈔票擦眼淚？</span><span class="push-right">283F 05/16 20:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j68345517/push?y=26" target="_blank">j68345517</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝信心加持</span><span class="push-right">284F 05/16 20:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wake7078/push?y=26" target="_blank">wake7078</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 河谷雙煞 一語成懺</span><span class="push-right">285F 05/16 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/theta4719/push?y=26" target="_blank">theta4719</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦 整天打高空 有什麼具體行動嗎 不然跟鍵盤酸</span><span class="push-right">286F 05/16 20:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/theta4719/push?y=26" target="_blank">theta4719</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 民有什麼兩樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aika5512308/push?y=26" target="_blank">aika5512308</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他適合講經濟，不適合講股票</span><span class="push-right">288F 05/16 22:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tamynumber1/push?y=26" target="_blank">tamynumber1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整個台灣其他產業的景氣的確差異太大</span><span class="push-right">289F 05/16 22:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dran30/push?y=26" target="_blank">dran30</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 河谷雙煞 反著做就對了</span><span class="push-right">290F 05/16 22:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pig33pig33/push?y=26" target="_blank">pig33pig33</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要不然台灣要靠什麼賺</span><span class="push-right">291F 05/16 22:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Macgyver3164/push?y=26" target="_blank">Macgyver3164</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在台灣未來菲律賓</span><span class="push-right">292F 05/16 22:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cutesoda/push?y=26" target="_blank">cutesoda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來要幸福了</span><span class="push-right">293F 05/16 22:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/windalso/push?y=26" target="_blank">windalso</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷退休後 功力很迷</span><span class="push-right">294F 05/16 22:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeffofpower1/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeffofpower1</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了</span><span class="push-right">295F 05/16 22:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷自從退休之後，就不太說反話了。</span><span class="push-right">296F 05/16 22:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/samkiller200/push?y=26" target="_blank">samkiller200</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早就是了</span><span class="push-right">297F 05/16 23:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abbasmart/push?y=26" target="_blank">abbasmart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 平生不識谷月涵 少年股神也枉然</span><span class="push-right">298F 05/16 23:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fay001/push?y=26" target="_blank">fay001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的沒感到幸福，三位數獲利%數都在未實現損益，看</span><span class="push-right">299F 05/16 23:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fay001/push?y=26" target="_blank">fay001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 得到花不到</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Caball/push?y=26" target="_blank">Caball</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講的是實話，從社會經濟角度來談產業應有的發展方</span><span class="push-right">301F 05/16 23:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Caball/push?y=26" target="_blank">Caball</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 向，但不是股市風向或指標</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jiapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">jiapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 荷蘭病是自然資源 台灣是靠肝 雖說也在少子化了</span><span class="push-right">303F 05/16 23:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imba789/push?y=26" target="_blank">imba789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝，要噴爛了</span><span class="push-right">304F 05/17 00:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aling1205/push?y=26" target="_blank">aling1205</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳產就是日常用到的，不可能消失</span><span class="push-right">305F 05/17 00:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aling1205/push?y=26" target="_blank">aling1205</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在gdp成長，促進消費，傳產會受惠</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aling1205/push?y=26" target="_blank">aling1205</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難不成賺到錢都存銀行不消費嗎？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Suicopas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Suicopas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 發展無人機應該不錯 啊.</span><span class="push-right">308F 05/17 00:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lockshadow/push?y=26" target="_blank">lockshadow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣能有荷蘭病=富人病哦</span><span class="push-right">309F 05/17 00:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Dazzium/push?y=26" target="_blank">Dazzium</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然？</span><span class="push-right">310F 05/17 01:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/southes/push?y=26" target="_blank">southes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然要賺什麼比較幸福</span><span class="push-right">311F 05/17 01:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tello/push?y=26" target="_blank">tello</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他講的很有道理，就看政府做不做</span><span class="push-right">312F 05/17 01:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/edcrfv103/push?y=26" target="_blank">edcrfv103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太有道理了 所以要扶持什麼產業? 說來大家笑一下</span><span class="push-right">313F 05/17 01:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傳產表示：賣塊土地就賺了數十年以上的利潤了 誰要</span><span class="push-right">314F 05/17 01:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給你好好做外銷或內需 人事成本基本薪資瞎亂漲、法</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 規嚴格還有團體再鬧 下一代也沒什麼要接手 做金融</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投資就賺錢幹嘛養別人家庭 白癡ㄇ</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/phoenixtwo/push?y=26" target="_blank">phoenixtwo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講幹話 有錢不賺要讓給別人賺?</span><span class="push-right">318F 05/17 02:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gwofeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">gwofeng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒半導體就只剩下炒房地產的功能</span><span class="push-right">319F 05/17 03:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hitlerx/push?y=26" target="_blank">hitlerx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 唉 我點進來還以為你是來幫忙看衰晶片的...</span><span class="push-right">320F 05/17 05:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amethystboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">amethystboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是喔不是這樣子喔</span><span class="push-right">321F 05/17 06:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高雄日月潭的茶葉蛋要變鹹蛋了</span><span class="push-right">322F 05/17 06:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jansan/push?y=26" target="_blank">jansan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">323F 05/17 07:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/anyu0805/push?y=26" target="_blank">anyu0805</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 谷長老講總經局勢蠻準的，只是他喊轉折點更神</span><span class="push-right">324F 05/17 07:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/taikouhncheu/push?y=26" target="_blank">taikouhncheu</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說個笑話：傳產二代不接班，不務正業炒股，獲利是</span><span class="push-right">325F 05/17 08:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/taikouhncheu/push?y=26" target="_blank">taikouhncheu</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爸媽的好幾倍。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sm3489/push?y=26" target="_blank">sm3489</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還不錯阿，老闆現在都拜託我加班</span><span class="push-right">327F 05/17 08:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/swgun/push?y=26" target="_blank">swgun</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已經是荷蘭病中期 無法逆轉</span><span class="push-right">328F 05/17 08:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slippers/push?y=26" target="_blank">slippers</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有個能嘴的半導體比全部被打趴好</span><span class="push-right">329F 05/17 09:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Seikan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Seikan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 呼 還好有谷大師開示 投資半導體踏實多了</span><span class="push-right">330F 05/17 11:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國崛起後，台灣的中小貿易跟製造業就死一片了</span><span class="push-right">331F 05/17 11:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不如說還好有當年遺留下來的台積電讓我們有荷蘭病</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oxygen537/push?y=26" target="_blank">oxygen537</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了 繼續持有半導體</span><span class="push-right">333F 05/17 12:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxcvb71/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxcvb71</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 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class="ptt-push-content">: 小心經濟部長又出來嗆你有病</span><span class="push-right">338F 05/17 16:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/revorea/push?y=26" target="_blank">revorea</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有你這句就放心了，繼續all in半導體</span><span class="push-right">339F 05/17 19:49</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--> 文章作者可對每則推文做回應... </div></pre> joanzkow. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Xs 2026-05-16T14:16:39+08:00 2026-05-17T09:21:28+08:00

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<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> joanzkow (星浪)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 快訊／續凍漲！　中油宣布下周國內汽柴油<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 14:16:39 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 快訊／續凍漲！　中油宣布下周國內汽柴油價格不調整 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://finance.ettoday.net/news/3166947" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://finance.ettoday.net/news/3166947</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://finance.ettoday.net/news/3166947" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>快訊／續凍漲！　中油宣布下周國內汽柴油價格不調整 | ETtoday財經雲 | ETtoday新聞雲</strong></a> <a href="https://finance.ettoday.net/news/3166947" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="437" style="width:655px;height:437px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/3661/e3661306.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>台灣中油公司今（16）日宣布，自下周一（18日）凌晨零時起至5月24日晚上12時止，汽、柴油價格維持不調整，這也是連續第7周凍漲；分別為92無鉛汽油每公升32.4元、95無鉛汽油每公升33.9元、98無鉛汽油每公升35.9元、超級柴油每公升31元。(油價凍漲,中油政策,國際油價,民生穩定,美伊戰爭) ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026-05-16 14:08 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 陳瑩欣 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 快訊／續凍漲！　中油宣布下周國內汽柴油價格不調整 ETTODAY 記者陳瑩欣／台北報導 <div class="combine-lines">台灣中油公司今（16）日宣布，自下周一（18日）凌晨零時起至5月24日晚上12時止，汽 、柴油價格維持不調整，這也是連續第7周凍漲；分別為92無鉛汽油每公升32.4元、95無 鉛汽油每公升33.9元、98無鉛汽油每公升35.9元、超級柴油每公升31元。</div> <div class="combine-lines">中東情勢膠著，國際油價上漲。考量亞鄰國家補貼仍高，為照顧國內民生與平穩物價，5 月18日至5月24日中油持續吸收以維持亞鄰最低價，汽、柴油合計各吸收3.3元及5.0元， 吸收幅度較上周增加。</div> <div class="combine-lines">自2月28日美伊戰爭爆發起，迄5月17日止，依據浮動油價機制（亞鄰最低價）與配合政策 啟動美伊戰爭專案平穩機制，台灣中油預估汽、柴油合計吸收金額約148.2億元。盼在兼 顧市場機制下，降低對民眾日常生活與產業營運的影響，並持續維持國內物價穩定。</div> 中油強調，國內汽、柴油零售價格為亞鄰國家最低價，實際零售價格以各營業點公告為準 。 <a href="https://finance.ettoday.net/news/3166947" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://finance.ettoday.net/news/3166947</a> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 謝謝中油，這對產業是個好消息 中油辛苦了 各位怎麼評估下禮拜股市的變化 是不是已經固化或等輝達財報就是了 好緊張又期待 <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.160.56 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: joanzkow 2026-05-16 14:16:39</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778912201.A.60B.html" target="_blank">#1g20l9OB (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778912201.A.60B.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778912201.A.60B.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑你不敢漲</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 14:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等輝達財報帶崩阿 原本是在漲中國市場 結果現在看來</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ss425727100/push?y=26" target="_blank">ss425727100</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趕快護盤啦 國安基金人勒</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已經告吹了 又要回到200以下了</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kyameron/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kyameron</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爽 選對人會做事</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lesnaree2/push?y=26" target="_blank">lesnaree2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一點使用者付費的觀念都沒有 憑甚麼不用油的人要分</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 14:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lesnaree2/push?y=26" target="_blank">lesnaree2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 攤凍漲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s155260/push?y=26" target="_blank">s155260</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 14:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/windfeather/push?y=26" target="_blank">windfeather</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為凍漲真的目的是怕引起物價通膨吧</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChanHoPark/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChanHoPark</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tom77588/push?y=26" target="_blank">tom77588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記得說謝謝</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tn950811/push?y=26" target="_blank">tn950811</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝 謝謝中油</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/windfeather/push?y=26" target="_blank">windfeather</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 電費、油費會連帶提昇大量的成本</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國趕快升息啦 想看台股崩</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/windfeather/push?y=26" target="_blank">windfeather</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雖然我也覺得中油也硬吃太多呢</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 14:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我們政府很有錢啊</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 14:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 什麼不敢讓中油、台電民營化，只會發包標工程改字</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span 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style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IDJocl4/push?y=26" target="_blank">IDJocl4</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台塑沒補貼 真慘</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 14:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nsbl19/push?y=26" target="_blank">nsbl19</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝大家</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 14:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全世界都在油價高是短期的～～～然後就要三個月過</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 14:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ifuxxyou/push?y=26" target="_blank">ifuxxyou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 油價漲 天然氣和石化產品不用跟著漲？</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 14:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 稅金繼續</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 14:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/river98/push?y=26" target="_blank">river98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣成年人有人生活不用油的嗎？</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 14:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府要開始找稅源了</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 14:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/komorin/push?y=26" target="_blank">komorin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年底選舉前都凍漲啦別擔心</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 14:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dnzteeqrq/push?y=26" target="_blank">dnzteeqrq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣已經no cards了 =.=</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 14:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NekomataOkay/push?y=26" target="_blank">NekomataOkay</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 14:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s58565254/push?y=26" target="_blank">s58565254</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全民買單 謝謝各位</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 14:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loking/push?y=26" target="_blank">loking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中油的虧損是台電的獲利</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 14:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cphe/push?y=26" target="_blank">cphe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在等年底 明眼人都知道</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 14:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爽啦 留到520一起漲</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 14:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Delerium/push?y=26" target="_blank">Delerium</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 天下沒有白吃的午餐</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 14:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推洗文zkow</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 14:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/x58420/push?y=26" target="_blank">x58420</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全民買單</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 14:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tabrisPTT/push?y=26" target="_blank">tabrisPTT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝中油</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 14:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講到爛了 油漲電漲 接下來就是物價和薪資一起大漲</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 14:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的循環了 這路線要嘛放手出事（薪資真能大漲今天還</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 需要在那玩基本薪資嗎XD) 要嘛不放手拉仇（薪資漲</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的比物價慢太多 影響民怨） 所以問題鎖死在中油 還</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能搞一波預算帶風向 多好 勝算高多了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/love9115566/push?y=26" target="_blank">love9115566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中油記得花錢改logo</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 14:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JonBrockman/push?y=26" target="_blank">JonBrockman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝政府</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 14:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 奇怪經濟這麼好，經濟成長1x%，股市4萬2</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 14:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還要台電中油吞到快破產？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是在掏空國家圖利誰呢？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不趁經濟好漲價多做事，難道要等經濟變差嗎</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 累積虧損792億元！美伊戰火打出中油財務黑洞　經濟</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 部祭3箭金援拯救（0408風傳媒</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美伊戰火影響 中油累計吸收6,129億 擬增資、融資共</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 計6,500億救財務（0408經濟</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 發電用天然氣價漲幅衝破41％ 台電月燒100 億能撐得</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neoa01/push?y=26" target="_blank">neoa01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 住？台電年增900億成本（0406工商</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luchgin/push?y=26" target="_blank">luchgin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 520後漲</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 14:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ScarletRain/push?y=26" target="_blank">ScarletRain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: CPI 1%還怕通膨？</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 14:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yayohola/push?y=26" target="_blank">yayohola</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 凍個兩三次漲一次還能接受啊 一直憋等出大招喔</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 14:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UchihaKawhi/push?y=26" target="_blank">UchihaKawhi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝啦</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 14:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/p58730/push?y=26" target="_blank">p58730</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有政府好安心</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 14:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kohanchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">kohanchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我花越多油越賺 謝謝給錢</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 14:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amig0123/push?y=26" target="_blank">amig0123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 超智障 該漲不漲 戰爭都還沒結束</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 14:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweerrt123/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweerrt123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 520後一次到位</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 14:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有種凍到年底www</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 14:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週後不知道</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 14:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信不信明年選完就漲好漲滿？怕通膨？怕選票才是真</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 14:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PPTmilktea/push?y=26" target="_blank">PPTmilktea</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝中油 估計可以謝到年底</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 14:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davidaustin/push?y=26" target="_blank">davidaustin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中油這次要賠多少錢，台塑會倒閉嗎</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 14:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不降，講個78</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 15:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChanHoPark/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChanHoPark</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府公布CPI數字 推文說有通膨?</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 15:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asas123sdsa/push?y=26" target="_blank">asas123sdsa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想讓中油虧到底就天天把油加滿 有人規定汽車不能加1</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 15:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asas123sdsa/push?y=26" target="_blank">asas123sdsa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00嗎 下班回家路過加一下</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sofar302/push?y=26" target="_blank">sofar302</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 15:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ByronX/push?y=26" target="_blank">ByronX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 布蘭特一樣110多 一直凍漲一直___</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 15:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rebel/push?y=26" target="_blank">rebel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你終究要付這筆帳的 凍漲只是朝三暮四兼補貼大戶</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 15:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vanii40/push?y=26" target="_blank">vanii40</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有政府 好安心</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 15:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wu73/push?y=26" target="_blank">wu73</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看成繼續漲</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 15:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/searchroy/push?y=26" target="_blank">searchroy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 凍到中油破產 凍到選舉結束</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 15:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hineboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">hineboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錯誤的政策</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 15:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bill603/push?y=26" target="_blank">bill603</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 凍漲然後補助計程車司機 好棒</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 15:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abei125/push?y=26" target="_blank">abei125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府很有錢</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 15:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abei125/push?y=26" target="_blank">abei125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 撐到選舉結束</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asdzxc001/push?y=26" target="_blank">asdzxc001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一時凍漲一時爽 一直凍漲一直爽</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 15:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kentrose/push?y=26" target="_blank">kentrose</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 35元就是極限了，如果不凍漲的話依照公式調整突破</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 15:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kentrose/push?y=26" target="_blank">kentrose</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到40元以上，應該民怨會滿大的。(在此排除公式合理</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kentrose/push?y=26" target="_blank">kentrose</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 與否以及凍漲換政府挹注左手環右手問題)</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovehan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovehan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先猜一選完一次漲到位……</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 15:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohlong/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohlong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宣布免費比較快</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 15:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/harry801030/push?y=26" target="_blank">harry801030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 畢竟要選舉了</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 15:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 凍漲才好啊</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 15:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府幫你出錢耶</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還利於民</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 凍漲就是爽到大戶而已啦</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 15:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你沒爽嗎</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 15:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後中油賠錢、國庫補貼，也是用你們納稅錢去補</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 15:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 物價不上漲</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 15:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以核心概念就是、全民納稅錢、拿去給用油大戶爽</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 15:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 納稅錢又不是你們在繳的</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 15:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大老闆很感謝你啊</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 15:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bleeza/push?y=26" target="_blank">bleeza</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選舉前應該都不會調整</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 16:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 企業成本降低，更能賺錢</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 16:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國庫沒錢的話我們再來罵軍公教把國家都吃光了就好</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 16:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家加薪，繳更多稅</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 16:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府少一點錢又怎樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s852194/push?y=26" target="_blank">s852194</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 路上汽車太多了</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 16:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noname912301/push?y=26" target="_blank">noname912301</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等星期四是吧</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 16:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ringningbell/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ringningbell</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣真的沒問題嗎</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本多終勝啊, 油價總會跌回來的,到時再把虧損補回去</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 16:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/polestar0505/push?y=26" target="_blank">polestar0505</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝 虧錢就不要在那亂搞什麼logo標案</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 16:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然放給油價漲帶動物價上漲,這可真回不去</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 16:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neil0611/push?y=26" target="_blank">neil0611</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝中油</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkman2/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkman2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩住油價，百業稅收穩定，政府賺大錢，良性循環不</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 16:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkman2/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkman2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WongKarWai/push?y=26" target="_blank">WongKarWai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝主隆恩</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billkira/push?y=26" target="_blank">billkira</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 證交稅賺爛了 這補貼小錢好嗎 還是課一下多戶的房</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 16:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billkira/push?y=26" target="_blank">billkira</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 地持有稅 每年繳這個比車子還便宜 這都不敢動呢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/foolwind/push?y=26" target="_blank">foolwind</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 覺得不該凍漲的 可以一肩扛起油價 沒人會反對</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/super1937/push?y=26" target="_blank">super1937</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝中油!</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wulaw5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">wulaw5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全民稅收補貼用油</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 16:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Keepart/push?y=26" target="_blank">Keepart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 什麼亞鄰最低價 我們又不產石油</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s77329/push?y=26" target="_blank">s77329</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還能補貼計程車煩惱什麼</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 17:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Lhmstu/push?y=26" target="_blank">Lhmstu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝中油</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thirtyto/push?y=26" target="_blank">thirtyto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 免繳稅 又凍漲 超級爽</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講得好像油價沒漲東西都不會漲一樣</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 17:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣人垃圾性格沒有倒閉前就會一直漲啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/answermangtr/push?y=26" target="_blank">answermangtr</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不漲才是正常 漲了通膨回不去</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 17:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/answermangtr/push?y=26" target="_blank">answermangtr</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 補助計程車真的他媽的亂花錢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲了通膨就回不去？那是台灣人垃圾</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 17:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成本高就漲價、成本降低當沒看到</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雞蛋缺貨漲到20、多到滿出來也是賣20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是非到生意做不下去倒閉不會甘願</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己不去開計程車怪誰</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 17:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/caumu/push?y=26" target="_blank">caumu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我都自助啦！</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Oisiossos/push?y=26" target="_blank">Oisiossos</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選後報復性調漲</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 18:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vampirelin/push?y=26" target="_blank">vampirelin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒便宜的油水電，股市要怎麼噴....當然凍漲</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/danhunter/push?y=26" target="_blank">danhunter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 某族群漲也哭，跌也哭</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 18:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lltools/push?y=26" target="_blank">lltools</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大概選舉前都在凍漲了</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amigowei/push?y=26" target="_blank">amigowei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中日韓台灣 哪一國沒補貼的啊</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 18:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ddshu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ddshu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國油價繼續漲搖搖領先 人民喜迎油價上漲 房價崩</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 18:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ddshu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ddshu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 盤 股市大跌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說謝謝就對了</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好安心</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 19:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/douxid/push?y=26" target="_blank">douxid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞不好美伊會打好幾年唷！</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 19:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkmmking/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkmmking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝大家稅金的補貼我開車，我省下來的繼續買0050</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 19:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkmmking/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkmmking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爽賺</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wei683/push?y=26" target="_blank">wei683</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 520要到了，不能漲，要政績大宣言</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 20:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/assian/push?y=26" target="_blank">assian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正酸民最羨慕口國了,他們沒有補貼卻一聲都不敢吭</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 20:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sugobasara/push?y=26" target="_blank">sugobasara</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝中油 為你加油！</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 20:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全民買單</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 20:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yoluyolu/push?y=26" target="_blank">yoluyolu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: CPI都不到2 降息都可以了 放任凍漲中油虧損</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 21:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capirex/push?y=26" target="_blank">capirex</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記得謝謝中油</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LIGI1983/push?y=26" target="_blank">LIGI1983</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該的 免得把錢拿去喂設計師</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 21:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abcjoe61115/push?y=26" target="_blank">abcjoe61115</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還不快謝謝中油</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 22:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Monetelliz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Monetelliz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝中油</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 22:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/windalso/push?y=26" target="_blank">windalso</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 活該納稅人 ：）</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 22:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ksjr/push?y=26" target="_blank">ksjr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝納稅人</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 23:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orton417/push?y=26" target="_blank">orton417</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝中油</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/17 00:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mg14999/push?y=26" target="_blank">mg14999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝納稅人</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/17 09:11</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> Redbeansauce. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Xr 2026-05-16T14:12:21+08:00 2026-05-16T22:27:47+08:00

標的：台灣大盤 分類：討論 分析/正文： 如題 大家覺得這波會殺到什麼時候呢 目前看到有幾種說法 1. 小波動不慌，整理兩週再上 2.複製升息路徑，連續下跌十個月 我自己是在5/11 清倉啦 https://i.mopix.cc/Z6kQkV.jpg 因為剛好要繳錢還有想去買新題材 然後看到散熱崩崩 心情不好就賣一賣了 但現在想想，越想越不對勁 想說要買回來 大家覺得大盤幾點入場最為合適呢？ 進退場機制：無，討論 (喊多喊空者，必須有停損機制。 長期投資、討論、心得類免填) ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> Redbeansauce (今日起醫聲)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [標的] 台灣大盤 請益<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 14:12:21 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">標的：台灣大盤</span> <span style="color:#008080">分類：</span>討論 <span style="color:#008080">分析/正文：</span> 如題 大家覺得這波會殺到什麼時候呢 目前看到有幾種說法 1. 小波動不慌，整理兩週再上 2.複製升息路徑，連續下跌十個月 我自己是在5/11 清倉啦 <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/Z6kQkV.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/Z6kQkV.jpg</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1206" data-ori_h="884" style="width:1206px;height:884px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/Z6kQkV.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> 因為剛好要繳錢還有想去買新題材 然後看到散熱崩崩 心情不好就賣一賣了 但現在想想，越想越不對勁 想說要買回來 大家覺得大盤幾點入場最為合適呢？ <span style="color:#008080">進退場機制：無，討論</span> <span style="color:#808080">(喊多喊空者，必須有停損機制。 長期投資、討論、心得類免填)</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.71.45.208 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: Redbeansauce 2026-05-16 14:12:21</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778911944.A.021.html" target="_blank">#1g20h80X (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778911944.A.021.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778911944.A.021.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnyDamon/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnyDamon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是10年線對稱跌幅</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 14:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印 歐印 歐印</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 14:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JIWP/push?y=26" target="_blank">JIWP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3萬買</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 14:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BlueBird5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">BlueBird5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一點半</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 14:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買ETF幹嘛進進出出的</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 14:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 認真講，如果之後會跌，你現在就要賣，會漲，你就買</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 14:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等到版上畢業文連發的時候就可以買了</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 14:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不賣放到年底 你會笑大家</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 14:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanly3092/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanly3092</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是買低賣高就對了</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 14:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先破四萬再說</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 14:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc0922001/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc0922001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看到你賣掉我就放心了</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波會殺到什麼時候其實很難說，因為市場這種東西本</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 14:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來就是一個很複雜的綜合體，不是單純看散熱跌了、AI</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌了、外資賣了、融資減了、技術線破了就可以直接下</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結論，畢竟你說小波動不慌整理兩週再上，這種說法也</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是完全沒道理，因為多頭市場本來就會有正常修正，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲多了洗一下籌碼、讓不堅定的人下車、順便把融資洗</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 乾淨，之後再繼續往上也是很常見；但你說複製升息路</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 徑連續跌十個月，這也不能說完全不可能，因為如果資</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金面真的轉弱、估值真的太高、題材又開始鈍化，那市</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 場就會從「利空都是買點」變成「反彈都是逃命點」，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以重點其實不是幾點進場，而是你自己到底是想買短</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 線反彈、波段主升段、還是長線抱題材，這三種策略完</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全不一樣。像你現在的狀況比較像是本來想繳錢、又看</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到新題材想換，結果散熱崩崩心情不好就賣掉，賣完又</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 覺得不對勁想買回來，這通常不是看錯行情，而是節奏</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被盤面牽著走了。大盤幾點進場最合適，我覺得可以不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用幻想買在最低點，因為最低點通常只有事後才知道，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的盤中看到最低點時你也不敢買，等你敢買的時候通</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 常已經彈一段了，所以比較合理的做法是分批，例如先</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看大盤有沒有止跌訊號、量縮不破低、強勢股不再創低</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 、跌深股反彈不是一日行情，或者至少等恐慌情緒稍微</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 冷卻再慢慢接，不然今天買回來明天再殺，你心情又不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好又賣一次，就變成標準低賣高買循環。總之我覺得這</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 波不是看「會殺到幾點」，而是看「殺下去有沒有人接</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 、反彈有沒有量、主流股有沒有重新站回去」，如果只</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是因為賣掉後怕噴而想追，那可能再等等；如果本來就</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看好散熱或新題材的基本面，那就不要一次滿倉，分批</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買、留現金、錯了能退，這樣比較不會被市場牽著鼻子</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 走。至於大盤幾點進場最合適，最廢但也最實用的答案</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是：你買了睡得著的點位，就是你的合適點位；買了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開始盯盤、冒汗、發文問大家會殺到什麼時候，那通常</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就代表買太多或買太急了。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DogEggz/push?y=26" target="_blank">DogEggz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大盤買原型ETF就現在買阿</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jeff141412/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jeff141412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻神真的好厲害…又成功逃頂</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推文敢不敢回文一篇== 被嚇到了</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 14:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wyytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wyytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 殺到不跌為止</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 14:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 逃啊</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 14:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/ggleYPO" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/ggleYPO.gif</a></span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 14:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/sh2CHJU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/sh2CHJU.gif</a></span></div> <div align="center"><div align="center" style="white-space: nowrap;"><iframe style="max-width:100%;" width="600" height="424" src="/iframe/imgur-embed.php?imgurId=ggleYPO" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></div> <div align="center" style="white-space: nowrap;"><iframe style="max-width:100%;" width="600" height="376" src="/iframe/imgur-embed.php?imgurId=sh2CHJU" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CHOOSEONE/push?y=26" target="_blank">CHOOSEONE</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 頂多拉回三天啦還兩週咧</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 14:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuegg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuegg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會不會有一種可能 ：5/15號</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 14:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波就是殺5月結算日 5萬口空單回補完就會漲了</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 14:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WSY000000000/push?y=26" target="_blank">WSY000000000</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5萬口空單+520效應</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 14:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升息都還沒確定要怎麼複製大升息路徑，那是一連串</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 14:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 事件→通膨→追趕式升息→打壞供應端供需→供應鏈</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大量棄單→進入庫存下行循環，週五的賣盤都還沒辦</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 法確定是消息面避險還是升息預期已經開始發酵了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 假設最差最差的狀況是反應升息預期好了，我不覺得</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次有生產力攀升還要升息整整十個月才降溫，但可</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能也要一季，但如果消息面避險+踩剎車減速盤整，那</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 殺個5到10%繼續噴或盤個幾周我覺得都滿健康的，預</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 測的話就沒辦法了，搞不好車直接開走，你不是來問</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過光通跟號召進場嗎，你絕對知道預測是白搭吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ppdogininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">ppdogininder</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家都賣了才會漲阿</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 14:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/strong2205/push?y=26" target="_blank">strong2205</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐硬正2 刪app 10年後再來看</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 14:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 8523</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 14:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全力做空贏回失去的一切</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不會複製 哪一年啦</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 14:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vn507595/push?y=26" target="_blank">vn507595</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪GPT都說存ETF，最大的難關就是在股市空頭時，你</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 14:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vn507595/push?y=26" target="_blank">vn507595</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不會做清倉的動作，甚至還有底氣去做加碼</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vn507595/push?y=26" target="_blank">vn507595</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才跌幾天就怕的像是肉被端走一樣，大盤甚至連十日線</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vn507595/push?y=26" target="_blank">vn507595</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都還沒摸到</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiroru/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiroru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全清倉的就是自己預設高點 想抓轉折 但通常都是被</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 14:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiroru/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiroru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場教訓 像我就是 QQ</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiroru/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiroru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不負責預測 崩到520結算後開始噴出破史高</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老蘇也說3年多頭1年空頭</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 14:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結果也沒複製啊</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空記憶體被軋爛。急忙做多生技XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunnyhung/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunnyhung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 十日線不是破了？</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 14:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ookimoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ookimoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 殺2年多 到萬二 大反彈 然後隨著債務貨幣重組歸零</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 14:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記憶體也沒複製航運 獨強，而是整體AI強</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 14:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老蘇也說緯穎複製大立光 會腰斬萬，也沒有啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wake00005/push?y=26" target="_blank">wake00005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前不可能進入升息循環，利率不動的機率較高</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 14:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunnyhung/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunnyhung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老蘇2萬7被嘎到4萬2 真是丟臉</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 14:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講會複製XX 都是話術</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 14:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒不利因素當然繼續歐印啊，是在懷疑什麼</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 14:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sq23123/push?y=26" target="_blank">sq23123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才跌這樣就信心全無玩什麼股票</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 14:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sq23123/push?y=26" target="_blank">sq23123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 追高殺低的韭菜就是這樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/komeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">komeko</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓股市暴跌的原因往往都是大家不知道的東西 大家都</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 14:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/komeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">komeko</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 知道的東西往往不會讓股市暴跌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 某人不要在留言串留一長串好不好 看得頭很痛</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 14:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rcf150cc/push?y=26" target="_blank">rcf150cc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低買高賣</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 14:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Eide/push?y=26" target="_blank">Eide</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資下跌時不是加空而是回補，我認為不算看空</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 15:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/godknows29/push?y=26" target="_blank">godknows29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的討厭留一長串的...</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 15:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RedLotus/push?y=26" target="_blank">RedLotus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是凹單派的 雖然帳面現在還是正的 但也剩不多肉</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 15:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RedLotus/push?y=26" target="_blank">RedLotus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/strong2205/push?y=26" target="_blank">strong2205</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是都說長期留在股市越久勝率越高嗎？</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 15:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ETF最怕的就是錯過主升段 所以大部分人寧願一直抱著</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 15:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a89182a89182/push?y=26" target="_blank">a89182a89182</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 呵呵 如果不知道什麼時候買回來 不如不要賣</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 15:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動ETF不一定，太慘的長期可能還是賠的</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 15:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roy33456/push?y=26" target="_blank">roy33456</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI推文回一長串有夠白痴</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 15:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: .... 閣下不是長期投資的 問長投幹啥??</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 15:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 妳自己是看心情賣的 有什麼門派嗎?? 那要怎麼改善</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b777787/push?y=26" target="_blank">b777787</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快逃啊</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 15:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升息利空下殺 就代表如果Taco不升息甚至降息就是利</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 15:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多 油價通膨是利空 代表最後不管怎麼解決 油價跌就</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是利多 降槓桿其實早就該開始了 但清倉純純就是沒意</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 義</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 清倉代表你看到了什麼標準預測空頭 那個標準如果無</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 法成為你未來的紀律 那你清倉就是你被情緒支配而已</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比無腦多還沒紀律</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你現在清倉規則是國債破5%？還是升息預期？還是你剛</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好要用錢？那接回規則是啥？願聞其詳</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印 歐印 歐印</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 16:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/survivalteru/push?y=26" target="_blank">survivalteru</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ojh: 高手計算這波回檔20%左右 會在32000落底</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 16:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/survivalteru/push?y=26" target="_blank">survivalteru</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ojh: 4萬點以上還不賣的真的註定當韭菜</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/repast/push?y=26" target="_blank">repast</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣很簡單 買回來很難 所以如果買進理由沒變 我是不</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 16:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/repast/push?y=26" target="_blank">repast</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 建議看到漲高就賣 很容易賣飛 也買不回之前的價格</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span 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原文標題： 全民瘋炒股！41.7萬人「貸房入股」 專家憂台股崩盤歷史重演：市場翻臉連 住處都沒了 原文連結： https://reurl.cc/Eme8Qa 全民瘋炒股！41.7萬人「貸房入股」 專家憂台股崩盤歷史重演：市場翻臉連住處都沒了 台北股市今（15）日開高震盪，盤中一度漲至42408點創下新高，後指數下殺翻黑重挫超過700點，終場下跌579.39點，收在41172.36點，失守5日、10日線。不動產金融知識發展協會理事長呂崑富表示，最新統計顯示，全台已有約41.7萬人將房屋進行增貸，轉而投入股市操作，規模創下歷史新高。在他看來 ... 發布時間：2026年5月15日週五 下午6:58 記者署名： 蕭宥宸 原文內容： 台北股市今（15）日開高震盪，盤中一度漲至42408點創下新高，後指數下殺翻黑重挫超 過700點，終場下跌579.39點，收在41172.36點，失守5日、10日線。不動產金融知識發展 協會理事長呂崑富表示，最新統計顯示，全台已有約41.7萬人將房屋進行增貸，轉而投入 股市操作，規模創下歷史新高。在他看來，「這不是投資，這是賭博」。 呂崑富：「貸房入股」歷史曾 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> TT991 (星星與野狗)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 全民瘋炒股！41.7萬人「貸房入股」 專家<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 13:44:06 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題： </span><span style="color:#FFF">全民瘋炒股！41.7萬人「貸房入股」 專家憂台股崩盤歷史重演：市場翻臉連</span> <span style="color:#FFF">住處都沒了</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文連結： </span><a href="https://reurl.cc/Eme8Qa" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://reurl.cc/Eme8Qa</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://tw.news.yahoo.com/%E5%85%A8%E6%B0%91%E7%98%8B%E7%82%92%E8%82%A1-41-7%E8%90%AC%E4%BA%BA-%E8%B2%B8%E6%88%BF%E5%85%A5%E8%82%A1-%E5%B0%88%E5%AE%B6%E6%86%82%E5%8F%B0%E8%82%A1%E5%B4%A9%E7%9B%A4%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E9%87%8D%E6%BC%94-105802552.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>全民瘋炒股！41.7萬人「貸房入股」 專家憂台股崩盤歷史重演：市場翻臉連住處都沒了</strong></a> 台北股市今（15）日開高震盪，盤中一度漲至42408點創下新高，後指數下殺翻黑重挫超過700點，終場下跌579.39點，收在41172.36點，失守5日、10日線。不動產金融知識發展協會理事長呂崑富表示，最新統計顯示，全台已有約41.7萬人將房屋進行增貸，轉而投入股市操作，規模創下歷史新高。在他看來 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span><span style="color:#FFF">2026年5月15日週五 下午6:58</span> <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span><span style="color:#FFF"> 蕭宥宸</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">台北股市今（15）日開高震盪，盤中一度漲至42408點創下新高，後指數下殺翻黑重挫超 過700點，終場下跌579.39點，收在41172.36點，失守5日、10日線。不動產金融知識發展 協會理事長呂崑富表示，最新統計顯示，全台已有約41.7萬人將房屋進行增貸，轉而投入 股市操作，規模創下歷史新高。在他看來，「這不是投資，這是賭博」。</div> 呂崑富：「貸房入股」歷史曾演過慘劇 <div class="combine-lines"> 呂崑富投書「房屋貸款知識家」表示，這不是台灣第一次出現「貸房入股」的狂潮，回 顧1989年到1990年間，台股首度突破萬點，市場瀰漫「全民投資」氛圍。當時不少人為了 擴大投資部位，把房子拿去抵押或增貸，把錢全部押進股市。結果指數在1990年2月衝上1 萬2682點後急轉直下，短短幾個月內重挫到2485點，跌幅高達8成。當年因為資產價格反 轉、槓桿操作失控，導致無數家庭資金斷裂，房子被法拍。那些人當初也是覺得「股票會 一直漲」，結果市場一翻臉，連住的地方都沒了。</div> 利率仍高、銀行趨嚴 槓桿風險恐瞬間爆發 <div class="combine-lines">呂崑富表示，雖然現在的情境跟過去不完全相同，但有一件事從來沒變，「用房子當槓桿 、投入高波動市場，本質風險就是巨大」。他直言，現在利率還在相對高檔，銀行對貸款 條件趨嚴。一旦股市修正，槓桿資金的承壓能力會瞬間被測試，屆時房子還在，但可能連 貸款都繳不出來。所謂「理財型房貸」或房屋增貸，本質上是把已經還掉的房貸額度轉成 可動用資金，聽起來很靈活，但如果把這筆錢全部丟進股市，風險會同步放大。投資賺錢 了當然沒事，但要是賠錢，房子就可能不保。</div> 房產應是資產配置 不是短線賭注 <div class="combine-lines">呂崑富坦言，不動產作為資產，通常有3種正確用途，一是自住使用；二為穩定收租、創 造現金流；三是長期資本增值，比如等都更、等區域發展。三者共同點是風險相對可控， 現金流或價值成長有時間支撐。但是把房產轉成短期投資槓桿工具，去追已經漲到4萬多 點的台股，「這不是資產配置，這是把安身立命的房子當賭注」。</div> <div class="combine-lines">呂崑富苦口婆心道，市場高檔時最容易忽略風險，歷史已經演過一次，賠掉的不是只有錢 ，是整個家庭的生活。他也強調，不是呼籲民眾別投資股票，「而是請你想清楚：如果這 筆錢賠掉了，你還有沒有能力繳房貸？你的房子還保得住嗎？」41.7萬人「貸房入股」創 新高，代表市場資金動能很強，但也代表潛在風險正在累積。市場永遠有機會，但關鍵不 是你賺了多少，而是當市場劇烈波動時，你撐不撐得過去。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> <span style="color:#FFF">雖然這是昨天的新聞</span> <span style="color:#FFF">但是台股好幾次攻上4萬2都站不穩</span> <span style="color:#FFF">許多千金股回檔2、3成</span> <span style="color:#FFF">昨天夜盤又這樣跌 感覺禮拜一的台股也凶多吉少</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 125.230.138.89 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: TT991 2026-05-16 13:44:06</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778910248.A.E31.html" target="_blank">#1g20Geun (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778910248.A.E31.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778910248.A.E31.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pqpqpqpq/push?y=26" target="_blank">pqpqpqpq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股，簡單</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 13:45</span> <span 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class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zzzzzlss/push?y=26" target="_blank">zzzzzlss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府唯一政績，怎麼跌？</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/heveninferno/push?y=26" target="_blank">heveninferno</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老人就去買中華電跟儲蓄險啦。</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2026擔心大盤跌8成 不如擔心明天早餐吃什麼比較實際</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gallardo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gallardo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在佈空單還來得及嗎</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 剛才在想 建商在賣股 散戶@#$!?</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yee/push?y=26" target="_blank">yee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌幅八成嚇死人，準備跌3萬3千點了嗎！</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用房貸才是最安全的好嗎..就算哪天繳不出利息大不了</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/win1109/push?y=26" target="_blank">win1109</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭贏財富自由，賭輸人肉鹹鹹。</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣股,就1秒的事. 除非買到爆炸要下市的股票</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gremon131/push?y=26" target="_blank">gremon131</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 音樂還在嗨幹嘛先走</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kawasana1928/push?y=26" target="_blank">kawasana1928</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 既然不看好就放空啊，妨礙別人賺錢</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ashand/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ashand</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有便宜法拍屋可撿了</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wwl0909/push?y=26" target="_blank">wwl0909</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 風險自己承擔</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房價逐底 今年是未來最便宜的一年</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jonaswang01/push?y=26" target="_blank">jonaswang01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快空還有33000可以賺</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Pheromone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Pheromone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒人叫你貸款買個股吧？就算買個股 選台積怎麼輸？</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要買到下市的也不容易，從財報和股價通常能看出</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上車囉</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用跌那麼多啊 3000點招待一下就出去一堆人了</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕大家賺太多 沒有奴隸願意工作</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 13:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波不一樣了 都是房產大戶主力融資 難怪逃得快進</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 13:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dotober2005/push?y=26" target="_blank">dotober2005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 融資才恐怖吧</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 13:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的快 有夠猛 沒5萬點我看不會停</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 13:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這些房貸的，可能有被403套的</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 13:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 融資5000億 讚啦</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 13:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KylianMbappe/push?y=26" target="_blank">KylianMbappe</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1/417000</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 13:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/snobbish/push?y=26" target="_blank">snobbish</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩了就會一堆預言家跳出來了</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 13:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期一9點歐印空下去 晚上賞車嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 13:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/picachui/push?y=26" target="_blank">picachui</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 專家？？？</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 13:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/e8530s/push?y=26" target="_blank">e8530s</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸利息這麼低 貸這個才是最安全的槓</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 13:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股板不少高手上禮拜就準確預言這次的崩盤了</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 13:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慶祝文出來開始減碼 畢業文出來加碼 到底怎麼輸</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 13:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s155260/push?y=26" target="_blank">s155260</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信義區10萬收</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 13:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/VLVB5S.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/VLVB5S.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 13:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/UxNqou.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/UxNqou.jpg</a></span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="502" data-ori_h="800" style="width:502px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/VLVB5S.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div> <div class="img" data-ori_w="713" data-ori_h="800" style="width:713px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/UxNqou.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/howow/push?y=26" target="_blank">howow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 曝險控制好</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 13:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/viorc/push?y=26" target="_blank">viorc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣，因為很多人送辭職信全職操盤了</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 13:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yu7038/push?y=26" target="_blank">yu7038</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 13:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loleea/push?y=26" target="_blank">loleea</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以開始下殺了</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 13:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 同事All in 403A 500萬了</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 13:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/1E5SS8.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/1E5SS8.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 13:58</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1022" data-ori_h="568" style="width:1022px;height:568px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/1E5SS8.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Qoo777/push?y=26" target="_blank">Qoo777</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 修正20%合理 最多40% 這樣就能把一堆人虧回去上班</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 13:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neomaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">neomaster</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你知道漲價前後ddr5-8g記憶體一支差多少嗎</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 13:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tom77588/push?y=26" target="_blank">tom77588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 13:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 辭職信趕快送出去 沒用的奴隸</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 13:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kivan00/push?y=26" target="_blank">kivan00</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房蟲急了</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 13:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/uv5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">uv5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: QE時代還幻想跌八成 這波是不是都空手</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 13:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m30127813/push?y=26" target="_blank">m30127813</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當股版一片看壞的時候你應該（？</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 14:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸沒幾趴 怕個屁</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 14:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比現在質押還低勒</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Haerin520/push?y=26" target="_blank">Haerin520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房蟲滾啦</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 14:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/UDmPJ7.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/UDmPJ7.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 14:01</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="760" data-ori_h="481" style="width:760px;height:481px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/UDmPJ7.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LBJnot1to7/push?y=26" target="_blank">LBJnot1to7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 風險自己承擔阿 下殺時貸款買股的睡不太安穩吧</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 14:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LBJnot1to7/push?y=26" target="_blank">LBJnot1to7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我還寧可少賺一些也別貸款投資</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fcz973/push?y=26" target="_blank">fcz973</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 增貸出來，月付還得起，怕屁</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 14:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c928/push?y=26" target="_blank">c928</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這些本來就有錢人</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 14:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s70337033/push?y=26" target="_blank">s70337033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有人是瘋子</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 14:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FinallyPeace/push?y=26" target="_blank">FinallyPeace</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 躲崩就是躲噴 會怕就是認知不足</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 14:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/koiiro/push?y=26" target="_blank">koiiro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 專家這波獲益多少？</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 14:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好的 全力做空 贏回失去的一切！</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 14:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印 歐印 大家不要被騙出場 只要大家一起合作 根</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 14:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本不可能跌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期三結算空軍還有三天的肉可以吃</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 14:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tungpayton/push?y=26" target="_blank">tungpayton</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借錢投資在空頭沒資金補可能被強制賣在相對低點</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 14:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Crushredkiss/push?y=26" target="_blank">Crushredkiss</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 根本零風險 不要阻止別人賺錢好不好</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 14:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆多蛙在推文壯膽，主力都看到了</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 14:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aries5420/push?y=26" target="_blank">aries5420</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 14:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lin900117/push?y=26" target="_blank">lin900117</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就祈禱不會往下 不然一定很慘烈</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 14:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CowBaoGan/push?y=26" target="_blank">CowBaoGan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 14:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweertyui891/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweertyui891</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 八大很能撐啦，要跑只有自己不想走</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 14:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ahg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ahg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1990都快三十年前還在提…..</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 14:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CowBaoGan/push?y=26" target="_blank">CowBaoGan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股斷頭台 房蟲槓仔通通屎去</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 14:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 財產重分配 爽啦</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 14:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweertyui891/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweertyui891</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三月都給八大抄底，現在可有錢了</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 14:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 增貸一般人哪玩得起 都是竹科仔在玩的</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 14:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnyDamon/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnyDamon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這記者肯定窮人 沒用 嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 14:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EIZOL768/push?y=26" target="_blank">EIZOL768</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老蘇：你看吧</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 14:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wekaytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wekaytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前觀察只有原油堅挺 其他貴金屬 農糧 股 債 都弱</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 14:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnyDamon/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnyDamon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會增貸一般都比你有錢很多 管好你自己就好</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 14:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/on32/push?y=26" target="_blank">on32</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1990年慘敗的人 現在大概都很保守</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 14:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaqimon/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaqimon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 14:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波很明顯要一路回三萬底下</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 14:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IDF5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">IDF5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 養套殺</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 14:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaqimon/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaqimon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次有AI</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 14:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myth0422/push?y=26" target="_blank">myth0422</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很好啊 搭配新青安炸裂 戳破房市泡沫</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 14:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一路回到萬三都有可能</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 14:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印 歐印 歐印</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 14:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q888atPt/push?y=26" target="_blank">q888atPt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放空才能真獲利</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 14:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/siki588/push?y=26" target="_blank">siki588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 破腦雞都在幻想有多好從不看最壞死在哪</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 14:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次就是泡沫的最後一波膨脹</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 14:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wekaytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wekaytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一個指數走空頭 基本就是跌7成起跳</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 14:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空蛙跟空手蛙又在幹幹叫了，也不貼張單來看只會嘴砲</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 14:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ax0101/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ax0101</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空手的在眼紅啊...別人房貸融資質押的早就賺爛了...</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 14:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arashivivian/push?y=26" target="_blank">arashivivian</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波是看兩萬八嗎？起漲點</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 14:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ax0101/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ax0101</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 眼紅的還在替人擔心哦？？現在根本0風險好嗎</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 14:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vltw5v/push?y=26" target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波下來看能不能把這些新手投機仔洗出去 這樣才能</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 14:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vltw5v/push?y=26" target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 朝5萬邁進</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KIDDLEE/push?y=26" target="_blank">KIDDLEE</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒事啦，衝啊</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 14:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/travisophia/push?y=26" target="_blank">travisophia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今年進場的都賺翻了好嗎。。只有空蛙在等崩</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 14:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fastsheep/push?y=26" target="_blank">fastsheep</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來還有上漲空間</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 14:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jay920314/push?y=26" target="_blank">jay920314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空手的眼紅了</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ipadpro2/push?y=26" target="_blank">ipadpro2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低檔加碼銜接等創新高啊</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poasdm/push?y=26" target="_blank">poasdm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mynumber55/push?y=26" target="_blank">mynumber55</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 安啦，多跑點外送就ok啦</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CGDGAD/push?y=26" target="_blank">CGDGAD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個專家財商不足</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 14:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Padfoneman/push?y=26" target="_blank">Padfoneman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放心喇 糖漿已經出場很久惹 等糖漿有消息再擔心不遲</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 14:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pikaaco/push?y=26" target="_blank">pikaaco</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這時候才進場超危險 時機過了</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 14:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sixkeeper/push?y=26" target="_blank">sixkeeper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請不要眼紅，這次不一樣</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 14:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamduncan/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamduncan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊陶啊</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 14:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim80227/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim80227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 未來通膨利率會溫水煮槓桿蛙</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 14:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/v21638245/push?y=26" target="_blank">v21638245</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房還會再跌，資金全入股市！</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 14:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billionaire/push?y=26" target="_blank">billionaire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/9Y0WJkaB.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/9Y0WJkaB.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 14:27</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/9Y0WJkaB.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1020" data-ori_h="587" style="width:1020px;height:587px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_9Y0WJkaB.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CGDGAD/push?y=26" target="_blank">CGDGAD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全部槓起來壓進去，一年要求不高小賺1000萬就好，10</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 14:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CGDGAD/push?y=26" target="_blank">CGDGAD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年就賺一億了，賺10億也不是不可能，但10年後專家</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CGDGAD/push?y=26" target="_blank">CGDGAD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還在領通告費</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Athanasius/push?y=26" target="_blank">Athanasius</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當時利率高吧？ 現在利率....</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 14:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Bashar/push?y=26" target="_blank">Bashar</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我們政府很有錢的 糖漿準備進場</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 14:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金融海嘯就是這樣發生的</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 14:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蒸丸</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 14:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實就獲利了結，定期定額買回</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌就開始買，分批兩個月</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到底是在怕什麼？台灣的公園品質還是不錯的</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 14:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Athanasius/push?y=26" target="_blank">Athanasius</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當時利率動則7% 8% 民間互助標會年利率更高達20%</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 14:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zuvio/push?y=26" target="_blank">zuvio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/DeVWmZ.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/DeVWmZ.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 14:33</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1079" data-ori_h="623" style="width:1079px;height:623px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/DeVWmZ.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bulabowu/push?y=26" target="_blank">bulabowu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 睡公園好蘇福</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 14:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MorrisChang/push?y=26" target="_blank">MorrisChang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒房不會住公園膩</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 14:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim543000/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim543000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很好阿 世界各國都一樣 炒得好</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 14:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Athanasius/push?y=26" target="_blank">Athanasius</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在利率才3% 維持率不要爆掉就過得去</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 14:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普一堆股票 怎覺得股市會跌</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 14:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zeroBB/push?y=26" target="_blank">zeroBB</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我雖不是永遠看多的，但留言推的圖根本不一樣啊，</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 14:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zeroBB/push?y=26" target="_blank">zeroBB</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼類比。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恐慌仔就繼續看別人賺錢</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 14:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/UorqNS.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/UorqNS.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 14:36</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="800" style="width:1200px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/UorqNS.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他後面川友友更是滿手美股 只有炒到多高的問題</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 14:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Athanasius/push?y=26" target="_blank">Athanasius</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且現在還有你各位的勞退基金當作糖漿</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 14:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/komeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">komeko</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/kkOxGX.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/kkOxGX.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 14:36</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="450" data-ori_h="319" style="width:450px;height:319px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/kkOxGX.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要崩也是他這任末期才會崩</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 14:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/falcon11/push?y=26" target="_blank">falcon11</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那豈不是太棒了</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 14:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/christic/push?y=26" target="_blank">christic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低利率又可以貸30年..,再怎麼廢買0056股利搭配月薪</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 14:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/christic/push?y=26" target="_blank">christic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是要怎麼連住處都沒..</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到底有什麼好怕的？台灣有健保，窮人一樣活得下去</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 14:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiroru/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiroru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI爆發期 台股本益比還很健康 現在想質押還沒得押</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 14:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiroru/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiroru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 額度都沒了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wetz/push?y=26" target="_blank">wetz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小跌大漲每次都吸引一堆外行人發文</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 14:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ezreal1315/push?y=26" target="_blank">ezreal1315</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/R6kTzU.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/R6kTzU.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 14:39</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="866" data-ori_h="800" style="width:866px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/R6kTzU.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeshisai/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeshisai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1990年台股還曾經單日交易量全球最高..</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/16 14:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的糕</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/16 14:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全力做空教訓貪狗cc</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 14:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/weightisjoke/push?y=26" target="_blank">weightisjoke</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒事大家都來拼的 要拼！</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/16 14:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iwnat/push?y=26" target="_blank">iwnat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別人恐懼我貪婪</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 14:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ineda/push?y=26" target="_blank">ineda</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸買股就算賠錢可以分30年攤還,哪會沒住處</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 14:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當國安基金吃素的嗎？</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 14:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是阿，哪一次大跌沒漲回來？</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/16 14:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gosling1019/push?y=26" target="_blank">gosling1019</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 該買的時候不買 不該買的時候一直買</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 14:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zeroBB/push?y=26" target="_blank">zeroBB</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 教訓貪狗肯定是要教訓的，不然我的獲利在哪</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/16 14:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1989投胎到09年少年股神又跳，現在又能炒股了</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 14:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q34355997/push?y=26" target="_blank">q34355997</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/3mgDk0v" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/3mgDk0v.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">173F 05/16 14:52</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="640" data-ori_h="330" style="width:640px;height:330px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/3mgDk0v.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stifler5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">stifler5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪來這麼多憂國憂民的專家</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/16 14:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaron1001/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaron1001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他們不擔心，別人擔心個屁</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/16 14:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okbon/push?y=26" target="_blank">okbon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 炒股總比炒房好</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 14:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UrFather/push?y=26" target="_blank">UrFather</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股快崩了?懂了!歐印VOO QQQ☺</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/16 15:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比想像中少，以為破百萬</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 15:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/saladbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">saladbread</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我還沒上車啊.jpg</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 15:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NetsFan/push?y=26" target="_blank">NetsFan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種文章也好爆文 3/31不是怕到受不了了嗎</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/16 15:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sorrow0206/push?y=26" target="_blank">sorrow0206</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別被騙下車了</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 15:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/samwang7027/push?y=26" target="_blank">samwang7027</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會贏喔</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/16 15:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asas123sdsa/push?y=26" target="_blank">asas123sdsa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 券商調高質押利率 好像都會崩 目前3.45%</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 15:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aids893001/push?y=26" target="_blank">aids893001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光跌個千點就洗一堆人出去了 怕殺小</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/16 15:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icecubes/push?y=26" target="_blank">icecubes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無家可歸的股神</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 15:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ashand/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ashand</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/UtrKQa2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/UtrKQa2.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 15:08</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="534" data-ori_h="800" style="width:534px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/UtrKQa2h.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再跌個3-5000我也不怕，只是質押的一堆會出事</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 15:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imhermit/push?y=26" target="_blank">imhermit</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那時還沒有國安基金 現在政府已經不會讓股市跌爛了</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 15:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mypower/push?y=26" target="_blank">mypower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那時候是證所稅害的吧，現在根本不一樣，拉回就是</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 15:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mypower/push?y=26" target="_blank">mypower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 找買點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iddoraemon/push?y=26" target="_blank">iddoraemon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩盤點會是etf存股族人踩人出場 但這個沒有黑天鵝大</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 15:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iddoraemon/push?y=26" target="_blank">iddoraemon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 事件或長線趨勢下跌 應該很難發生</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NEKOWORKi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NEKOWORKi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒質押 安心睡覺</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/16 15:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iddoraemon/push?y=26" target="_blank">iddoraemon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 短期回檔幾千點是有可能 現在借錢玩股還有新開戶太</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/16 15:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iddoraemon/push?y=26" target="_blank">iddoraemon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rumblefish/push?y=26" target="_blank">rumblefish</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 信貸 質押仔有比較高級？</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/16 15:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 質押收傘加上外資空單結算 下禮拜就是人踩人崩盤點</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/16 15:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pns215/push?y=26" target="_blank">pns215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3月貸款的已經在看新房子了</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/16 15:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/theta4719/push?y=26" target="_blank">theta4719</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 叫你不要貸款 怕你賺太多不上班</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/16 15:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/16 15:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房仲怕賣不出去嗎</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/16 15:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kenhon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kenhon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散戶集結 穩了 cc</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/16 15:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alan1320/push?y=26" target="_blank">alan1320</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我希望有一半的人看錯方向</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/16 15:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/agvnol/push?y=26" target="_blank">agvnol</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/16 15:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lottepudgy/push?y=26" target="_blank">lottepudgy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散戶賺錢好簡單，誰會想工作呢</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/16 15:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wiki67la/push?y=26" target="_blank">wiki67la</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣，ai還在發展</span><span class="push-right">206F 05/16 15:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦一堆人都賺幾千萬提早退休了還在那恐嚇</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/16 15:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abei125/push?y=26" target="_blank">abei125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 送分題</span><span class="push-right">208F 05/16 15:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gyin/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gyin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌回30000就好一堆槓桿仔就會被掃出場了</span><span class="push-right">209F 05/16 15:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newl/push?y=26" target="_blank">newl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也有可能41萬人財富自由啊</span><span class="push-right">210F 05/16 15:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借不到錢的 中租還可以增貸</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/16 15:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nike543/push?y=26" target="_blank">nike543</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 周一還漲的起來嗎</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/16 15:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Grothendieck/push?y=26" target="_blank">Grothendieck</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整天喊要崩才會害人在最後一刻fomo</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/16 15:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abbag/push?y=26" target="_blank">abbag</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當大家都看衰時，下週就噴給你看</span><span class="push-right">214F 05/16 15:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a2080259/push?y=26" target="_blank">a2080259</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前點位，再跌二萬點我會有些壓力</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/16 15:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eastereaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">eastereaster</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買本益比高的才會睡 著</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/16 15:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 520有大量空單要結算</span><span class="push-right">217F 05/16 15:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eastereaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">eastereaster</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買那些本夢比的，真的3好加1好</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/16 15:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/anaydh/push?y=26" target="_blank">anaydh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韭菜上場了</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/16 15:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌的機比較漲高</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/16 15:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haver/push?y=26" target="_blank">haver</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要繼續漲下去就是要一直借錢給這些人啊 沒燃料就完</span><span class="push-right">221F 05/16 15:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/matlab1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">matlab1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當年又沒有ai可以養活百姓</span><span class="push-right">222F 05/16 15:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alexxxx147/push?y=26" target="_blank">alexxxx147</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人民衝鋒隊，最後一搏了</span><span class="push-right">223F 05/16 15:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你以為睡公園是開玩笑的？</span><span class="push-right">224F 05/16 15:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KingTsia/push?y=26" target="_blank">KingTsia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韭菜不進 主力不退 簡單明瞭</span><span class="push-right">225F 05/16 15:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 八卦是，七月還有下一波高點</span><span class="push-right">226F 05/16 15:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也就是五月拉回要認真買</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/springman/push?y=26" target="_blank">springman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我倒是還好，我只是沒有賣股還房貸而已，沒有特別去</span><span class="push-right">228F 05/16 16:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/springman/push?y=26" target="_blank">springman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貸款買股票。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BUKU/push?y=26" target="_blank">BUKU</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸三%但能貸出多少呢？都全額付清了喔？？</span><span class="push-right">230F 05/16 16:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunkissfu/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunkissfu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只要不下市還好吧... 1成政府就會救了</span><span class="push-right">231F 05/16 16:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/O300/push?y=26" target="_blank">O300</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI 手機還在用 台灣這些廠崩跌 難</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/16 16:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印 歐印 歐印</span><span class="push-right">233F 05/16 16:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 民智已開</span><span class="push-right">234F 05/16 16:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當年一堆銀行股、傳產炒得有夠高</span><span class="push-right">235F 05/16 16:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Lowpapa/push?y=26" target="_blank">Lowpapa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 根本沒差 還可以二胎阿 攤平漲回來就好了</span><span class="push-right">236F 05/16 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pttbeigowow/push?y=26" target="_blank">pttbeigowow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 質押房貸仔唉唉叫</span><span class="push-right">237F 05/16 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kgppra/push?y=26" target="_blank">kgppra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這41.7萬戶有多少是今年才增加有多少是已經貸款開</span><span class="push-right">238F 05/16 16:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kgppra/push?y=26" target="_blank">kgppra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很久的 要先分清楚這兩類吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jackie36952/push?y=26" target="_blank">jackie36952</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貸款入股 就是讓銀行大賺而已</span><span class="push-right">240F 05/16 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好，順便買銀行股(X</span><span class="push-right">241F 05/16 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maik0810/push?y=26" target="_blank">maik0810</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 夜盤不是才跌1%，也不是大崩盤......</span><span class="push-right">242F 05/16 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pttbeigowow/push?y=26" target="_blank">pttbeigowow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸質押仔要哭暈在公園了</span><span class="push-right">243F 05/16 16:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/trader79/push?y=26" target="_blank">trader79</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拉回就是買</span><span class="push-right">244F 05/16 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊陶鴨</span><span class="push-right">245F 05/16 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/trader79/push?y=26" target="_blank">trader79</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資本家 有的是辦法逼窮人去做奴</span><span class="push-right">246F 05/16 16:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rereterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">rereterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪次不是賭博，反正總會有勝利者</span><span class="push-right">247F 05/16 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jieen0604/push?y=26" target="_blank">jieen0604</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺了怎麼說？</span><span class="push-right">248F 05/16 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BLUESKY101/push?y=26" target="_blank">BLUESKY101</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/I7bh9KR" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/I7bh9KR.png</a></span><span class="push-right">249F 05/16 16:37</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="929" data-ori_h="686" style="width:929px;height:686px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/I7bh9KR.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Riesz/push?y=26" target="_blank">Riesz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/JSu4NIW" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/JSu4NIW.png</a>教練 好想贏韓國~~</span><span class="push-right">250F 05/16 16:40</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="783" data-ori_h="800" style="width:783px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/JSu4NIW.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoeyChen/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoeyChen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這數字真實的嗎 41萬人很嚇人欸</span><span class="push-right">251F 05/16 16:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CaTkinGG/push?y=26" target="_blank">CaTkinGG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府會救</span><span class="push-right">252F 05/16 16:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/toeternia/push?y=26" target="_blank">toeternia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕..我的房貸要被追繳保證金了QQ</span><span class="push-right">253F 05/16 16:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/albert1229/push?y=26" target="_blank">albert1229</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就說了投資不是賭博！有閑錢再來投資，不然連飯都</span><span class="push-right">254F 05/16 16:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/albert1229/push?y=26" target="_blank">albert1229</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒得吃</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vladivostok/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vladivostok</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有閒錢也可以質押啊，風險控制好為何不能質押?</span><span class="push-right">256F 05/16 16:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Lhmstu/push?y=26" target="_blank">Lhmstu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快跌阿，希望崩盤-50%，財富重新洗牌的機會</span><span class="push-right">257F 05/16 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/monkeyboy041/push?y=26" target="_blank">monkeyboy041</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拿錢撿便宜了</span><span class="push-right">258F 05/16 17:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/adairchang/push?y=26" target="_blank">adairchang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕什麼，出事再成立自救會就好啦</span><span class="push-right">259F 05/16 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolrock/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolrock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 眼紅散戶賺錢嗎</span><span class="push-right">260F 05/16 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roiop710/push?y=26" target="_blank">roiop710</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只要大家都借錢入股不賣，繼續飆別怕</span><span class="push-right">261F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccjj8/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccjj8</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先搶公園位置</span><span class="push-right">262F 05/16 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abbjesper/push?y=26" target="_blank">abbjesper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出事就上街抗議政府不護盤</span><span class="push-right">263F 05/16 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/answermangtr/push?y=26" target="_blank">answermangtr</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很棒啊 真的崩我就看地產有沒有得撿屍</span><span class="push-right">264F 05/16 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/graciashola/push?y=26" target="_blank">graciashola</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 萬八???</span><span class="push-right">265F 05/16 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kinve1014/push?y=26" target="_blank">kinve1014</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟房產一樣大到一個程度 只剩股市能吹 敢不救？</span><span class="push-right">266F 05/16 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ashand/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ashand</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣人真的巨嬰什麼都怪政府靠政府</span><span class="push-right">267F 05/16 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資週五撿便宜</span><span class="push-right">268F 05/16 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeremyyyy/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeremyyyy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4萬都沒破，擔心什麼</span><span class="push-right">269F 05/16 17:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tt333925/push?y=26" target="_blank">tt333925</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你再不買下個月就5萬了！房貸信貸高利貸貸貸相傳</span><span class="push-right">270F 05/16 17:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GABA/push?y=26" target="_blank">GABA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三月底這樣做又壓強勢股應該大勝</span><span class="push-right">271F 05/16 17:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/callsign1017/push?y=26" target="_blank">callsign1017</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人一生有幾次翻身的機會?all in啦!</span><span class="push-right">272F 05/16 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pk0943/push?y=26" target="_blank">pk0943</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不如推全民放空？</span><span class="push-right">273F 05/16 17:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q09701023/push?y=26" target="_blank">q09701023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40萬有錢人</span><span class="push-right">274F 05/16 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭上房子了 壓好壓滿</span><span class="push-right">275F 05/16 17:59</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌下來幾兆的賣壓 國安扛的住嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/one2three3/push?y=26" target="_blank">one2three3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 炒房可以炒股不行</span><span class="push-right">277F 05/16 18:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pnsboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">pnsboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 欸不是 前幾天不是說看的準貸款買股有什麼問題</span><span class="push-right">278F 05/16 18:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fbtm/push?y=26" target="_blank">fbtm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以股王漲到快兩萬是賭博?</span><span class="push-right">279F 05/16 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imlucky/push?y=26" target="_blank">imlucky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次有台積電 不一樣</span><span class="push-right">280F 05/16 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yyyzzz/push?y=26" target="_blank">yyyzzz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股簡單，賺錢簡單</span><span class="push-right">281F 05/16 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noahlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">noahlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還好吧 利率2.5%以內借了買大盤很划算啊</span><span class="push-right">282F 05/16 18:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noahlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">noahlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 壓台積以外的個股另當別論</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maniaque/push?y=26" target="_blank">maniaque</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不會啦,至少留個幾萬可以買政府的納骨塔塔位...</span><span class="push-right">284F 05/16 18:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 41.7萬人算啥小? 全台一兩千萬人在股市</span><span class="push-right">285F 05/16 18:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆超額儲蓄ETF一掛牌就搶溢價的 是當台灣人沒錢?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣的問題根本是現今屯太多了 很多保守的甚至還在</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/delaluna/push?y=26" target="_blank">delaluna</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 場外觀望</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/THE6/push?y=26" target="_blank">THE6</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你會贏</span><span class="push-right">289F 05/16 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kadajo/push?y=26" target="_blank">kadajo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大時代</span><span class="push-right">290F 05/16 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/softwords/push?y=26" target="_blank">softwords</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連環爆就刺激了 呵呵</span><span class="push-right">291F 05/16 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ajai/push?y=26" target="_blank">ajai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png</a></span><span class="push-right">292F 05/16 18:35</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="600" style="width:800px;height:600px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.urusai.cc/stBpN.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oresta/push?y=26" target="_blank">oresta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1990漲得沒有道理</span><span class="push-right">293F 05/16 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/romusutoru/push?y=26" target="_blank">romusutoru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這能算是黑天鵝嗎？</span><span class="push-right">294F 05/16 18:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azcooper/push?y=26" target="_blank">azcooper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣不一樣不一樣</span><span class="push-right">295F 05/16 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聰明 不然賣的出去嗎 變成dead money才糟糕</span><span class="push-right">296F 05/16 18:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家多學點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsubasa1116/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsubasa1116</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種新聞多一點好啊，才不會被太多人知道財富密碼</span><span class="push-right">298F 05/16 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayianayian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayianayian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺錢就是這麼簡單</span><span class="push-right">299F 05/16 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/liangnet/push?y=26" target="_blank">liangnet</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太棒了，我要看看房市也血流成河，到時股市反轉，</span><span class="push-right">300F 05/16 19:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/liangnet/push?y=26" target="_blank">liangnet</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆人還不出房貸，開始賤賣房子</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每次都說不一樣</span><span class="push-right">302F 05/16 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這2週才進場的應該很多人被套了 版上一堆信貸質押槓</span><span class="push-right">303F 05/16 19:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 桿文就知道短線糕點到了 果然指數就漲不動</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kbpoop/push?y=26" target="_blank">kbpoop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有薪水就不怕 慢慢還就是</span><span class="push-right">305F 05/16 19:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Derry20732/push?y=26" target="_blank">Derry20732</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股</span><span class="push-right">306F 05/16 19:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Derry20732/push?y=26" target="_blank">Derry20732</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 簡單</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RTX3080TI/push?y=26" target="_blank">RTX3080TI</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00403A要三年才解套了</span><span class="push-right">308F 05/16 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason613/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason613</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才第一篇 那還有高點</span><span class="push-right">309F 05/16 19:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenshome/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenshome</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 代表房屋持有成本低到不行，反正房子賣不出去，不</span><span class="push-right">310F 05/16 19:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenshome/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenshome</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如貸款炒股</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/robinsonXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">robinsonXD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人家貸款如果賺3倍以上，可以買一間剩下兩間租人</span><span class="push-right">312F 05/16 20:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/robinsonXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">robinsonXD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接原地退休</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yayan1010/push?y=26" target="_blank">yayan1010</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 新聞反著看年底上五萬</span><span class="push-right">314F 05/16 21:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gillian21/push?y=26" target="_blank">gillian21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩盤吧</span><span class="push-right">315F 05/16 21:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lluunnaa/push?y=26" target="_blank">lluunnaa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝抬囉~</span><span class="push-right">316F 05/16 21:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ogrish/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ogrish</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房價股價漲那麼多不崩盤要幹嘛？真是廢話</span><span class="push-right">317F 05/16 21:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/christos1989/push?y=26" target="_blank">christos1989</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場不會翻臉的</span><span class="push-right">318F 05/16 21:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mntonmylife/push?y=26" target="_blank">mntonmylife</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快崩啊!我們剛拿到錢錢,等崩中</span><span class="push-right">319F 05/16 21:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yeh0416/push?y=26" target="_blank">yeh0416</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錯過疫情 這次不能再錯過知道嗎</span><span class="push-right">320F 05/16 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ptlord0/push?y=26" target="_blank">ptlord0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣 衝啊</span><span class="push-right">321F 05/16 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pig33pig33/push?y=26" target="_blank">pig33pig33</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 專家怕沒房子能炒</span><span class="push-right">322F 05/16 22:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xc2v/push?y=26" target="_blank">xc2v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 續噴</span><span class="push-right">323F 05/16 22:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ddtlau/push?y=26" target="_blank">ddtlau</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個時間點貸款進入跌得要死的債券應該比較難輸</span><span class="push-right">324F 05/16 23:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/InTheLAR/push?y=26" target="_blank">InTheLAR</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別買房 你不買我不買 看誰先尬死誰</span><span class="push-right">325F 05/16 23:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ferrisw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ferrisw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用房貸炒股，股市對心理的壓力強度和房市差很多，</span><span class="push-right">326F 05/16 23:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ferrisw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ferrisw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要經的起一個漲跌的大週期，可預期這樣炒股的很</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ferrisw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ferrisw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大機率會成為韭菜任市場宰割</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下周會一堆人出事的</span><span class="push-right">329F 05/16 23:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s56565566123/push?y=26" target="_blank">s56565566123</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給我擦皮鞋</span><span class="push-right">330F 05/16 23:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s56565566123/push?y=26" target="_blank">s56565566123</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上次房市被割的那群人要來炒股了 連虛擬貨幣的都來</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s56565566123/push?y=26" target="_blank">s56565566123</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推文某些人為什麼都以為貸款的人個個都是不會算，</span><span class="push-right">333F 05/17 00:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lawrence0731/push?y=26" target="_blank">lawrence0731</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 或是動不動10倍槓桿在玩？同溫層到底有多厚？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jimabc/push?y=26" target="_blank">jimabc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 12682的時空背景不同好嗎 當年任何一隻股票開盤就</span><span class="push-right">335F 05/17 00:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jimabc/push?y=26" target="_blank">jimabc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲停 且上市家數才幾百隻 現在數千家上市公司且多</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jimabc/push?y=26" target="_blank">jimabc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 數類股不是盤整就是下跌，上漲行情幾乎全靠電子類</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jimabc/push?y=26" target="_blank">jimabc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股 跟當年泡沫根本天差地遠</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenslc199/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenslc199</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下禮拜看41.7萬空中飛人 想像就興奮cc</span><span class="push-right">339F 05/17 00:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MediaPlayer/push?y=26" target="_blank">MediaPlayer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好希望看到大崩給貸款賭博的人永生難忘的教訓</span><span class="push-right">340F 05/17 05:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/doranako/push?y=26" target="_blank">doranako</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 眼紅,我同事都是貸款狂買股票，都翻倍了</span><span class="push-right">341F 05/17 07:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beautyest/push?y=26" target="_blank">beautyest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 41.7萬是房貸人數 再乘以家裡人口數 嗯。。。。</span><span class="push-right">342F 05/17 07:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/source0209/push?y=26" target="_blank">source0209</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我們不一樣</span><span class="push-right">343F 05/17 08:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衝衝衝</span><span class="push-right">344F 05/17 08:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zzzx/push?y=26" target="_blank">zzzx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國安基金出來護盤啊</span><span class="push-right">345F 05/17 09:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leix2/push?y=26" target="_blank">leix2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 糕</span><span class="push-right">346F 05/17 10:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WangElly/push?y=26" target="_blank">WangElly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要捲走台灣人的錢很簡單</span><span class="push-right">347F 05/17 11:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/soon55555/push?y=26" target="_blank">soon55555</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資要發功了嗎？現斷一波</span><span class="push-right">348F 05/17 11:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ookimoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ookimoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我手上的空單要納斯達克跌破萬點才要補</span><span class="push-right">349F 05/17 11:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yieh/push?y=26" target="_blank">yieh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣公園夠不夠睡呀？</span><span class="push-right">350F 05/17 11:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Surquit/push?y=26" target="_blank">Surquit</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 炒房時可不是這麼說的，一直說房價漲漲漲</span><span class="push-right">351F 05/17 12:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sustto/push?y=26" target="_blank">sustto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等法拍辣 臺股簡單</span><span class="push-right">352F 05/17 12:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sid3/push?y=26" target="_blank">sid3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一個月就賺回來了</span><span class="push-right">353F 05/17 14:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印</span><span class="push-right">354F 05/17 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/epc19/push?y=26" target="_blank">epc19</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我看是怕散戶買爆外資，一樣結定存，禮拜一繼續幹</span><span class="push-right">355F 05/17 18:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/epc19/push?y=26" target="_blank">epc19</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 進去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Becauseloves/push?y=26" target="_blank">Becauseloves</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00403同事都買百張起，最少的買50都說沒什麼好怕的</span><span class="push-right">357F 05/17 21:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Becauseloves/push?y=26" target="_blank">Becauseloves</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最低就10元</span></div> 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我最近想要買大筆的科技股 也就是半導體、晶片、AI這類的股票 原本看周四、周五 漲得好多 還在擔心什麼時候才會跌下來、才適合買 想不到機會這麼快就來了！ 今天川普對台灣晶片發表的談話 感覺星期一應該會跌 可以趁便宜買大量 但不知道會不會永遠漲不回來...... 川普說的話 也是蠻重的 請問各位高手怎麼看這件事? ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> yoyoflag (粗暴言論勢在必行)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [請益] 最近要買科技股 川普的話 會使星期一跌嗎<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 12:56:57 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 我最近想要買大筆的科技股 也就是半導體、晶片、AI這類的股票 原本看周四、周五 漲得好多 還在擔心什麼時候才會跌下來、才適合買 想不到機會這麼快就來了！ 今天川普對台灣晶片發表的談話 感覺星期一應該會跌 可以趁便宜買大量 但不知道會不會永遠漲不回來...... 川普說的話 也是蠻重的 請問各位高手怎麼看這件事? <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.174.53.246 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: yoyoflag 2026-05-16 12:56:57</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a 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target="_blank">losehope</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 分批往下買！</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 12:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kameshita/push?y=26" target="_blank">kameshita</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多空都買 肯定有一邊會賺 選我正解</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 12:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被你賺到</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 13:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/possible322/push?y=26" target="_blank">possible322</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以安心放空了 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 13:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ 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style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q888atPt/push?y=26" target="_blank">q888atPt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這邊都壞人 說的跟自己做的常常不一樣 不要被騙</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 13:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccuwck/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccuwck</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到時每天看川普說話來買賣你會很累</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 13:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波崩盤會很慘 不過也是很好的進場點</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 13:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Watson0620/push?y=26" target="_blank">Watson0620</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買輝達，相信黃董年底就懂。</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 13:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben192726/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben192726</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我挺你，開盤就買大量</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 13:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/ZR2onW.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/ZR2onW.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 13:06</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="533" data-ori_h="800" style="width:533px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/ZR2onW.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Orenjifurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Orenjifurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 未來上看50000 不用擔心</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 13:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kroya/push?y=26" target="_blank">kroya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟著川普做多，不過請買美股</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 13:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普類似的話講超過一年以上了</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 13:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/paericsson/push?y=26" target="_blank">paericsson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週五跌你怎麼沒買</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 13:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q888atPt/push?y=26" target="_blank">q888atPt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 良心建議三月到四月中前沒買的，現在就別買了，等</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 13:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q888atPt/push?y=26" target="_blank">q888atPt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的和談成功再進場別抄底了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PROST5278/push?y=26" target="_blank">PROST5278</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2樓拜託快倒貨給我 等你之後想買回去 都不知道多少</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 13:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PROST5278/push?y=26" target="_blank">PROST5278</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錢了CC</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 靠北 每個都看跌 禮拜一光聽就好刺激XD</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 13:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kinglee/push?y=26" target="_blank">kinglee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是會 漲不回來了</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 13:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/6CXcZt.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/6CXcZt.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 13:08</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="512" data-ori_h="387" style="width:512px;height:387px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/6CXcZt.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝川勝帝君加碼空 星期一37000不要不信邪</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他就算什麼都沒講 你星期一還是很興奮 對吧</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wekaytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wekaytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在骨版一律建議歐印</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只能歐印 信貸質押借滿再歐印 慢了就來不及了</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期一多蛙拼手速囉 42k空軍躺著賺真好賺</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 13:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/M2Z588/push?y=26" target="_blank">M2Z588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 安啦 ，川普卸任都幾年後了，現在還能炒一波！！</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 13:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/M2Z588/push?y=26" target="_blank">M2Z588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全壓下去就對了，兩年後你會感謝自己！！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/Zxh0I0.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/Zxh0I0.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 13:13</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1280" data-ori_h="718" style="width:1280px;height:718px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/Zxh0I0.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/deepelves/push?y=26" target="_blank">deepelves</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我們糕點都賣光了，你呢?.jpg</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 13:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川皇自己都買多少了…不會跟單嗎？</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 13:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Lowpapa/push?y=26" target="_blank">Lowpapa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會 ALL IN</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 13:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fireandice/push?y=26" target="_blank">fireandice</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌爛才是買點</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 13:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/treeeasy/push?y=26" target="_blank">treeeasy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低點還有的跌，再等等</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 13:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EddieWuRJJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">EddieWuRJJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 初跌段開始</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 13:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 建議萬三再買</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 13:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pda2001/push?y=26" target="_blank">pda2001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普第一任老調重彈 消息鈍化</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 13:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜一漲跌要去看禮拜五晚上的美股</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 13:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herculus6502/push?y=26" target="_blank">herculus6502</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊 陶 蛙</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 13:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hzs6111/push?y=26" target="_blank">hzs6111</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GG目標500</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 13:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sugobasara/push?y=26" target="_blank">sugobasara</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘉偉老師救命阿～</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 13:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/km1201/push?y=26" target="_blank">km1201</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌了你也不敢買</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 13:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FireStarman/push?y=26" target="_blank">FireStarman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這串是魯空大集合？</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 13:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b551122/push?y=26" target="_blank">b551122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ==== 真心講先觀望 等融資殺個幾百億再說</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 13:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cin0921/push?y=26" target="_blank">cin0921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00403a 手上也一堆現金等著進場</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 13:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunnyhung/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunnyhung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 科科 四萬存骨 各位真的很勇</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 13:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dzzdzx/push?y=26" target="_blank">dzzdzx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 至少大盤回二字頭吧</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 13:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fpfun3688/push?y=26" target="_blank">fpfun3688</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你猜猜看壓</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 13:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neilisme/push?y=26" target="_blank">neilisme</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波殺破3萬都有可能 先把質押仔清光到時再進場</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 13:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LesMiz/push?y=26" target="_blank">LesMiz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 辦公室剛開戶的姐姐們把股票當菜買，聽得我膽戰心</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 13:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LesMiz/push?y=26" target="_blank">LesMiz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 驚。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pda2001/push?y=26" target="_blank">pda2001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我會觀望到周二進場 兩日消化賣壓 差不多夠 並塑造</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 13:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pda2001/push?y=26" target="_blank">pda2001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 隔日520行情 反轉上攻較穩 勝率大點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schrei/push?y=26" target="_blank">schrei</a> 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class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/infi/push?y=26" target="_blank">infi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 修正到十年線</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 13:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一路回年初的價格了</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 13:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YpFeron/push?y=26" target="_blank">YpFeron</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看到大家都這麼看空就安心了XD</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 13:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼會跌？大都是以前說過的</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 13:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tom77588/push?y=26" target="_blank">tom77588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 觀察河谷指標</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 13:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chimouse/push?y=26" target="_blank">chimouse</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還好我禮拜五清空獲利了結了</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 13:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普人為回檔 懂得就懂cc</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 13:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4萬2看到別人看空覺得安心的已經去睡公園了</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 13:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a22650619/push?y=26" target="_blank">a22650619</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 捷運站聽到高中生聊賣股賺多少 有點恐怖了</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 13:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TonyPeye0209/push?y=26" target="_blank">TonyPeye0209</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的覺得很好笑 看這裡樂觀的時候一堆亂喊什麼五萬</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 13:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TonyPeye0209/push?y=26" target="_blank">TonyPeye0209</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 六萬 跌一點點就開始喊跌破三萬 一點中心思想都沒</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TonyPeye0209/push?y=26" target="_blank">TonyPeye0209</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒想法至少也要會看支撐壓力吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opmikoto/push?y=26" target="_blank">opmikoto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可能會也可能不會 照我看來有一半的機率會漲 有一半</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 13:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opmikoto/push?y=26" target="_blank">opmikoto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的機率會跌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xiaoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">xiaoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打電話 問川普</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 13:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tiffanycute/push?y=26" target="_blank">tiffanycute</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 科技股漲不回來台灣也差不多完了</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 13:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cschuan/push?y=26" target="_blank">cschuan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積電會跌到500</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 13:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股板常態亂喊啊 懂技術分析的都被打成恐慌蛙了</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 13:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都要回季線了</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 13:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neomaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">neomaster</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆Q1eps&lt;1元 股價上百的 外資還在狂買</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 13:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 6月破季線再買更便宜</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 13:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 分批的話可以買，大筆打入的話歐不竹到</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 13:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/treeeasy/push?y=26" target="_blank">treeeasy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利多都出完了，先前熱錢炒太高，沒力了，現在要大</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 13:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/treeeasy/push?y=26" target="_blank">treeeasy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 修向下，再等等。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/seabox/push?y=26" target="_blank">seabox</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 垃圾特朗普</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 13:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cospergod/push?y=26" target="_blank">cospergod</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 七巨頭資本資出在那 會跌到哪去?</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 13:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/koushimei/push?y=26" target="_blank">koushimei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 兩岸戰爭 中美衝突降低 是要跌什麼</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 13:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 既然還沒進場,那你急什麼</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 13:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wiiann/push?y=26" target="_blank">wiiann</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會漲喔</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuegg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuegg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不支持台獨美國講一輩子了 不是現在才有</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DanielHAO/push?y=26" target="_blank">DanielHAO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 50:50 歐印!!</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuegg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuegg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普說台獨有嚴重後果這哪個台灣人不知道</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 13:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuegg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuegg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒看到原來是指晶片 這個也講很久了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kettle1226/push?y=26" target="_blank">kettle1226</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下禮拜先觀望 說不定跌個20%你剛好進場</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 13:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dotober2005/push?y=26" target="_blank">dotober2005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上次戰爭只跌到季線</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 13:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orange1204/push?y=26" target="_blank">orange1204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期一要人踩人 XD</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 13:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SphereDavid/push?y=26" target="_blank">SphereDavid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資都喊5萬了</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 14:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c928/push?y=26" target="_blank">c928</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買台灣彩券</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 14:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太早 等回測3萬再說</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 14:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neomaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">neomaster</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2025/4/7日</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 14:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 37000吧預估</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 14:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開盤即收盤</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 14:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週五不是已經跌了，你是不是根本沒在看股市</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 14:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 520再抄底比較安全</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 14:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本多</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 14:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Croast/push?y=26" target="_blank">Croast</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 一位到現在還沒進場的人也能引起這麼大的迴響</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 14:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Croast/push?y=26" target="_blank">Croast</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普講的東西都一年前的舊話了 是要崩什麼</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/israelii/push?y=26" target="_blank">israelii</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美股週五晚上崩了，週一台股應該也很精彩，恭喜你週</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 14:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/israelii/push?y=26" target="_blank">israelii</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一得償所望</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上週五大跌已反應..週一該大漲！！</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 14:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/soyokase/push?y=26" target="_blank">soyokase</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有傳說會崩3-4000點 不再等等嗎</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 14:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LBJnot1to7/push?y=26" target="_blank">LBJnot1to7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家周末沒事都很捧場耶</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 14:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EIZOL768/push?y=26" target="_blank">EIZOL768</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 520崩崩</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 14:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印 歐印 信貸房貸質押全壓滿</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 14:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thg156yu789/push?y=26" target="_blank">thg156yu789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼不放空 要漲這幾天早就漲上去了 現在買進準</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 14:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thg156yu789/push?y=26" target="_blank">thg156yu789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 備洗碗吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rhsieh776/push?y=26" target="_blank">rhsieh776</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 亞洲早就反應了，開低就是走高</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 14:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LOGIC5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">LOGIC5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: taco川你第一天認識</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 14:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是，他都講一年了，都來股版了哪些是政治語言跟</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 14:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 話術、哪些是影響產業的消息，你分辨一下</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大爆崩預備</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 14:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 永遠回不來不至於，反正跌了就先慢慢買足曝險</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 14:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股周五沒反應美股週四大漲而提前跌，</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 14:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種劇情其實也發生好多次了。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/baz06/push?y=26" target="_blank">baz06</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普下台前台海不會戰爭啊！噴爆</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 14:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ffaatt/push?y=26" target="_blank">ffaatt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣不是比較便宜</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 14:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LIGI1983/push?y=26" target="_blank">LIGI1983</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲你也不敢買 跌你也不敢買 不要做股票算了</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 14:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大跌就繼續大跌，大漲就繼續大漲，他們就是這種爛貨</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 14:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kimogimilk/push?y=26" target="_blank">kimogimilk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 定期額打進去 不謝</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 14:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這時候就是繼續歐印啊，他們都孬種，假有錢人</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 14:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiroru/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiroru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投資股票 看川普講話就對了</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 14:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去年以為他有魔法可以變出大量美國人趕工蓋廠</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 14:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一年過去發現美國人動作慢，當然歲月靜好</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是看了他持股，勇敢buy NOW</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JOKIC/push?y=26" target="_blank">JOKIC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這是接第一根的勇者嗎</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 15:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你別買</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 15:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我來</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cleanx/push?y=26" target="_blank">cleanx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普今天才說的嗎？哈哈，真的高點到了</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 15:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/p7yegbj3/push?y=26" target="_blank">p7yegbj3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 新手廢文</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 15:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 便宜是讓你撿鑽石的啊</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 15:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lottepudgy/push?y=26" target="_blank">lottepudgy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪次不買</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 15:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/barryliou01/push?y=26" target="_blank">barryliou01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期一開盤市價買入 關掉APP 1分鐘結束 5年後再看</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 15:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/simba1222/push?y=26" target="_blank">simba1222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美股有機會，台股算了</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 15:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印 歐印 歐印</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 16:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/idernest/push?y=26" target="_blank">idernest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/uIuJkZ6" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/uIuJkZ6.png</a></span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 16:07</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="576" style="width:1024px;height:576px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/uIuJkZ6h.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neil0611/push?y=26" target="_blank">neil0611</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 彎腰撿鑽石了</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川爺沒有要護台 只想要台灣晶片全搬到美國 逃啊</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joygo/push?y=26" target="_blank">joygo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等川哥放話啊</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 16:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolrock/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolrock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你都忍這麼久了，跌個500就想衝進去嗎？</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 找謝早洩</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/penny1119/push?y=26" target="_blank">penny1119</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asidy/push?y=26" target="_blank">asidy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不知道，但老黃應該不會太好</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q09701023/push?y=26" target="_blank">q09701023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他不是去年就這樣了 很意外嗎</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 17:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/THE6/push?y=26" target="_blank">THE6</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你會贏</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資週五抄底成功..</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 18:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pushpull/push?y=26" target="_blank">pushpull</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 短期預測去問神吧</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zerobx/push?y=26" target="_blank">zerobx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請all in 賺爛 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkmmking/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkmmking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再等等，等崩到二萬再進場，不然你要買五萬的台股</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 19:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkmmking/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkmmking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smellrat/push?y=26" target="_blank">smellrat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股會一路漲到十萬，建議融資</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/16 19:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hotsauce1111/push?y=26" target="_blank">hotsauce1111</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下跌就是買點뀠 辱！！！！！！！！！</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 20:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wei683/push?y=26" target="_blank">wei683</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲了不敢買，跌了也不敢買</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/16 20:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Yesw/push?y=26" target="_blank">Yesw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要買大量這檔？</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 21:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flyslider/push?y=26" target="_blank">flyslider</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想太多 美國週五收盤已反映 有大跌嗎？</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/17 00:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flyslider/push?y=26" target="_blank">flyslider</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在NV都在搞GB300和rubin 誰還要H200那落後東西？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/richard42/push?y=26" target="_blank">richard42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積去美是利多 不利的是台灣人</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/17 01:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/richard42/push?y=26" target="_blank">richard42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別以為台積繼續在台灣發展風險很大</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SkyFee/push?y=26" target="_blank">SkyFee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆人都貸款了 還有國安基金！</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/17 07:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/albertk1kil/push?y=26" target="_blank">albertk1kil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 覺得還好對美國有利</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/17 08:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkmmking/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkmmking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是只有星期一，是星期二三四五都要跌！</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/17 13:02</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> DrowningPool. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3WT 2026-05-16T11:12:15+08:00 2026-05-17T17:51:36+08:00

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6395735481112 President Trump: We are leading China by a lot in the AI race | Fox News Video President Donald Trump discusses his summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping, Taiwan, manufacturing and AI on 'Special Report.' ... 專訪大家自己看 裡面有一段川皇提到 Trump: "I'd like to see everybody making chips over in Taiwan come into America because, to be honest with you, I think it's the greatest thing you could do. Because it's a heated situation…All ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> DrowningPool (My broken dreams)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [情報] 川普：我希望在台灣做晶片的都來美國<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 11:12:15 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/video/6395735481112" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.foxnews.com/video/6395735481112</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.foxnews.com/video/6395735481112" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>President Trump: We are leading China by a lot in the AI race | Fox News Video</strong></a> President Donald Trump discusses his summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping, Taiwan, manufacturing and AI on &#039;Special Report.&#039; ...</div></div> </div> 專訪大家自己看 裡面有一段川皇提到 Trump: &quot;I&#039;d like to see everybody making chips over in Taiwan come into America because, to be honest with you, I think it&#039;s the greatest thing you could do. Because it&#039;s a heated situation…All of those chip countries, if they&#039;re smart, they&#039;re gonna start heading to Arizona.&quot; 所有那些生產晶片的國家，如果他們夠聰明的話，就會開始前往亞利桑那州了。 搭配其他新聞看 下禮拜台股又要大場面？ <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 218.32.44.219 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: DrowningPool 2026-05-16 11:12:15</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778901137.A.954.html" target="_blank">#1g1-2HbK (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778901137.A.954.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778901137.A.954.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/calqlus/push?y=26" target="_blank">calqlus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/Zh7746IY.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/Zh7746IY.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 11:12</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/Zh7746IY.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="307" data-ori_h="175" style="width:307px;height:175px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_Zh7746IY.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 領導人不給力 丸子 蒸的丸子</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 11:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EarlyInMay/push?y=26" target="_blank">EarlyInMay</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韓國躺槍</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 11:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chachabo/push?y=26" target="_blank">chachabo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 硬特爾要跌成軟特爾了</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 11:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他現在就在安撫習，爭取時間轉移台灣晶片產能啊</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 11:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fantasyscure/push?y=26" target="_blank">fantasyscure</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒用 一年前嘴時 市場早就反應過</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 11:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a3n/push?y=26" target="_blank">a3n</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 夢回百年前鐵路華工，晶片台工該前往亞利桑那了</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜一怎麼辦…</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他早知道在西太平洋扛不住解放軍，弄到晶片為優先</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lucky466/push?y=26" target="_blank">lucky466</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 英特爾影響比較大吧！</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganbee/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganbee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問題沒工人.</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dotober2005/push?y=26" target="_blank">dotober2005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川皇缺錢又當空軍了</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賴：好的</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 11:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪會沒工人 美國都叫企業自己出錢出人來美國了 頂多</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 送你綠卡</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunnyhung/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunnyhung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大的？</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 11:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去美國誰還要輪班on call？哀皇技術不錯 但量產良率</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 11:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就差</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aasslleepp/push?y=26" target="_blank">aasslleepp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老調重彈 了無新意</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 11:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反疑美論的川衛兵 請開始你們的表演</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 11:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/siki588/push?y=26" target="_blank">siki588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黔驢技窮</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 11:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zzzzzlss/push?y=26" target="_blank">zzzzzlss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 門都沒......沒事</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 11:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒新意，但這幾個沒新意的字眼會使台股跌</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 11:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普在北京時那麼冷靜不狂，因為他知道對手的實力</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 11:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蠻可憐的 不忍噓</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 11:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去年就說過幾千億美元投資美國了啦 有人後知後覺喔</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 11:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去北京+又重提晶片業，2件事後都是對股市不利</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 11:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EXDes/push?y=26" target="_blank">EXDes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 翻譯：台灣只是工具人</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 11:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那來不利啊，一樣的話在講而已，老人癡呆重複說好</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 11:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lastsodeep/push?y=26" target="_blank">lastsodeep</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自私商人，腦袋只會炒股，</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 11:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qk3380888/push?y=26" target="_blank">qk3380888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來時間不多了</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 11:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明確說明不會幫台灣出兵，對企業來說，會重新評估</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 11:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganbee/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganbee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以只要去就有綠卡嗎?全部供應鏈?那還不找國中生去</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 11:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣產業的需求和必要性</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 11:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前都是打馬虎，這次是確定表示</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拉不下臉，以後就會承認需要更多晶片外勞</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 11:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganbee/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganbee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這比柬埔寨安全多了,錢也多,政府應推廣,國中畢即可</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 11:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crazydj/push?y=26" target="_blank">crazydj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 希望(x) 強硬(o)</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 11:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schula/push?y=26" target="_blank">schula</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘻嘻，親兒子要抄答案，你們一干助教還不過來幫忙</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 11:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講得很白了 還有人要吹矽盾嗎 笑死</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 11:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qrzgg/push?y=26" target="_blank">qrzgg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他是不是想說把台灣變成美國的就沒問題了</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 11:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聽聽就好，到他下台也轉不過去，笑死剛好</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 11:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/manboisold/push?y=26" target="_blank">manboisold</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從一開始就是明著搶，看不懂的不是笨就是壞</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 11:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CaTkinGG/push?y=26" target="_blank">CaTkinGG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我玩策略遊戲前線基地不會擺重要產業 不可能犧牲整</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 11:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CaTkinGG/push?y=26" target="_blank">CaTkinGG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 個太平洋的戰略空間浪費海軍優勢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾年前還一堆人愛扯矽盾 結果現在美國台積一直擴廠</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 11:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jing0607/push?y=26" target="_blank">jing0607</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 神經病呆丸就去做牛做馬到死服伺美國人</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 11:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cir78918/push?y=26" target="_blank">cir78918</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以移民了嗎！！</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 11:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovehan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovehan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1985雷霆殺機：80%</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 11:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ae8450/push?y=26" target="_blank">ae8450</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接歸納52州收稅不是比較簡單？？</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 11:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jalai/push?y=26" target="_blank">jalai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣像過街老鼠 人人喊打</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 11:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ting74942/push?y=26" target="_blank">ting74942</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喊了一年多，已經鈍化了...</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 11:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweertyui891/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweertyui891</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只送不賣</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 11:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有個神人直接把台積電送過去</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 11:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bird1st/push?y=26" target="_blank">bird1st</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又不是第一天喊了 早已反應</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 11:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒開盤剩一堆柵欄仔跑來股版鬧了</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 11:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hihi29/push?y=26" target="_blank">hihi29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川投顧指路 台股準備完蛋 笑死</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 11:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gaexpa9920/push?y=26" target="_blank">gaexpa9920</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不能獨立，看來只能加入美國了</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 11:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/taylorabc/push?y=26" target="_blank">taylorabc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做夢比較快</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 11:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pda2001/push?y=26" target="_blank">pda2001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老梗且Lag 不就去很久了？</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 11:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dirk007/push?y=26" target="_blank">dirk007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普一心想掏空台灣</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 11:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 轉移晶片赴美，不見得對台股不利，對台灣不利罷了</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 11:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeff22aa22/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeff22aa22</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 假日是中吹佔領股版的日子嗎</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 11:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s1612316/push?y=26" target="_blank">s1612316</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幹 台灣要出事了喔？不然為什麼夠聰明要移過去</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 11:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但台灣內部很多精神美國人及真美國籍，應該會贊成</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 11:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EZTW0000/push?y=26" target="_blank">EZTW0000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一樣的話，某族群能高潮好幾次</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 11:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cheedo/push?y=26" target="_blank">cheedo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積電何時500</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 11:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q34355997/push?y=26" target="_blank">q34355997</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/QclrvJ6" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/QclrvJ6.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 11:43</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="800" style="width:800px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/QclrvJ6h.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilanese/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilanese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實對台積電而言，變成美積電的話，本益比一定更高</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 11:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilanese/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilanese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，只是對台灣就不利了。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fakelie/push?y=26" target="_blank">fakelie</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做晶片的要發綠卡了嗎？</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 11:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bear31223/push?y=26" target="_blank">bear31223</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣最後的浮木矽盾丟掉 真的會不妙</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 11:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pptsodog/push?y=26" target="_blank">pptsodog</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升級成美國人不錯啊</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 11:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Delerium/push?y=26" target="_blank">Delerium</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓台積跌到500順便讓intel買下</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 11:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cystal/push?y=26" target="_blank">cystal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明眼人一看就知道是台灣大利多 只有中吹才會認為不</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 11:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cystal/push?y=26" target="_blank">cystal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利台灣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q34355997/push?y=26" target="_blank">q34355997</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓崇美仔去美國當食物鏈底層 台灣就清凈了</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 11:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/owenxeve/push?y=26" target="_blank">owenxeve</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全部過去只是變成另一個intel，員工沒有勤奮聽話夠</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 11:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/owenxeve/push?y=26" target="_blank">owenxeve</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 奴的性格，基本上做不起來</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kyameron/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kyameron</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給綠卡可以 台灣政府不會擋 在AZ也可以是新台灣人</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 11:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0921387223/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0921387223</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接52洲好不好</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 11:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現階段沒有移籍的可能性 別被ICE抓進集中營就不錯了</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 11:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還肖想綠卡... 拜託 看清楚現狀吧</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過去也只是當廉價勞力罷了 GG給的薪水在老美那根本</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不夠看 然後人家也不想你加入 能做的大概就是過去生</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小孩 但這條路也慢慢被堵住了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先讓我拿綠卡</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 11:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qk3380888/push?y=26" target="_blank">qk3380888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GGer 過去也是打工而已 非高層根本拿不到綠卡 但能</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 11:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qk3380888/push?y=26" target="_blank">qk3380888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 考慮生小孩</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jokem/push?y=26" target="_blank">jokem</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還要送什麼啦</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 11:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: No car 他也想要格林蘭</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 11:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣小孩生出來會不會很多混血兒？</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 11:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aoka/push?y=26" target="_blank">aoka</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好的，如果全部不夠還可以加碼喔</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 11:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c41231717/push?y=26" target="_blank">c41231717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太慘了 快放空gg</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 11:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無感，這說過幾百遍了</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 12:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ZXSC/push?y=26" target="_blank">ZXSC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 至少我們還有音樂</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 12:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FatFatQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FatFatQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 移美</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 12:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gwofeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">gwofeng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去年的台詞用到現在，市場不會理他啦</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 12:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/banana831021/push?y=26" target="_blank">banana831021</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賴皇：收到 全力配合</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 12:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davidwawa/push?y=26" target="_blank">davidwawa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早就鈍化 大家都知道他隨時轉彎 繼續拖就好</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 12:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kichikuou/push?y=26" target="_blank">kichikuou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我川！威武！</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 12:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cool10528/push?y=26" target="_blank">cool10528</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美爹的善意，好濃 好甜</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 12:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FatFatQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FatFatQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積全部移美 子孫移美 台灣人上戰場 某人不是在做</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 12:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FatFatQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FatFatQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Lhmstu/push?y=26" target="_blank">Lhmstu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有音樂，不怕！</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 12:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/axr/push?y=26" target="_blank">axr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又炒冷飯</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 12:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsainalunba4/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsainalunba4</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/B35OZik" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/B35OZik.gif</a></span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 12:11</span></div> <div align="center"><div align="center" style="white-space: nowrap;"><iframe style="max-width:100%;" width="600" height="500" src="/iframe/imgur-embed.php?imgurId=B35OZik" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 翻譯：選舉要來了 缺政績 台灣所有喊的上名字的科</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 12:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 技業 都該來喊話設廠了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamnook2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamnook2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵)給身份呀 台勞肯定飛去</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 12:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnb1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnb1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全力配合 記得開戰要讓我偷渡出去就好</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 12:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lion198/push?y=26" target="_blank">lion198</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 符合美國利益</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 12:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穿寶就抓住台勞愛賣台輸出技術的性格 看隔壁科技討</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 12:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 論討論美積寶寶就知道了啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xeins/push?y=26" target="_blank">xeins</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去了之後台海發生戰爭 就可以用難民身分了 根本不用</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 12:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xeins/push?y=26" target="_blank">xeins</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssarc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssarc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會去的早就去了，不會去的你說啥都沒興趣</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 12:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣變成美國一州就好了啊，全部變美積電，川皇腦袋</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 12:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 轉一下吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普現在大概用會更多的台積移美換軍購</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 12:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看衰國家時，股市也不可能漲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是台灣政府想買(想嗎，投票也不見得過?)，又不是台</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 12:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 積想買，軍購最多威脅台灣政府不可以擋台積搬家，但</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積不想搬主要原因就是台灣的廉價高品質奴性工程師</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，跑去美國生產成本高很多(聽說40%?)，又不是政府擋</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyofdejavu/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyofdejavu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普都上台這麼久了，不要聽他在那邊喇叭嘴就信</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flare321/push?y=26" target="_blank">flare321</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國沒有高壓環境，做不出台灣壓榨的結果</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 12:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wkbz/push?y=26" target="_blank">wkbz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積搬去美國就會更intel一樣廢了 中國就會崛起</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 12:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/itwt/push?y=26" target="_blank">itwt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 供應鏈應該一起過去，產業又要大發財囉</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 12:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MizPerfect/push?y=26" target="_blank">MizPerfect</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低情商： 你現在不搬到亞利桑納，之後戰火無情別怪</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 12:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MizPerfect/push?y=26" target="_blank">MizPerfect</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pkcs0857/push?y=26" target="_blank">pkcs0857</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在美國要找便宜的輪班星人沒這麼好找好嗎</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 12:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nodyes/push?y=26" target="_blank">nodyes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 52州就完成。但生產成本會激增</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 12:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vul3kuo/push?y=26" target="_blank">vul3kuo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川：矽盾拆完台灣就不干我事囉</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 12:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peterkan/push?y=26" target="_blank">peterkan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放鬆綠卡申請，保證一堆人想去</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 12:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AterPin/push?y=26" target="_blank">AterPin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正川不會永遠當總統</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 12:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mini178/push?y=26" target="_blank">mini178</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吹中崽受刑人 滾回去踩腳踏車發電吧</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 12:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/randy2903/push?y=26" target="_blank">randy2903</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒晶片就可以丟包了</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 12:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cfesun/push?y=26" target="_blank">cfesun</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有晶片，小島就可以丟了</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 12:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YumingHuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">YumingHuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接把台灣變美國的一州算了</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 12:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vatog/push?y=26" target="_blank">vatog</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可悲 某人連被搶都不反抗</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 12:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DHMSGM/push?y=26" target="_blank">DHMSGM</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我全都要（咆哮）</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 12:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這句話他講一年了</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 12:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/psychic/push?y=26" target="_blank">psychic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以送綠卡嗎?</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 12:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積美國廠毛利低的嚇人 設太多會把母企業吃垮吧</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 12:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Miyagi13/push?y=26" target="_blank">Miyagi13</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正他也不太能連任了</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 12:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 畢竟是養子</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 12:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CYL009/push?y=26" target="_blank">CYL009</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: MAGA!!!</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 12:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vampirelin/push?y=26" target="_blank">vampirelin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣變51州比較靠簡單吧</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 12:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/squeakywheel/push?y=26" target="_blank">squeakywheel</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 支持啊！美吹好好去服務你們的maga cccc</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 12:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成本激增美國又沒差，怎麼樣都比intel做的成本低</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 12:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/manboisold/push?y=26" target="_blank">manboisold</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國只要GG的製程跟技術，沒有要黃色猴子望周知</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 12:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣台黃猴子在教他們技術</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 12:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icelaw/push?y=26" target="_blank">icelaw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有晶片 沒有稀土也沒用，先搞定稀土吧</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 12:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iloveforix/push?y=26" target="_blank">iloveforix</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去甲賽啦，還想美吹</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 12:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raku/push?y=26" target="_blank">raku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傻了才放人 技術 資金過去美國 因為美國拿到足夠量</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 12:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raku/push?y=26" target="_blank">raku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣就可以丟掉了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ringil/push?y=26" target="_blank">ringil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人材過去 美軍不來 川皇發大財</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 13:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raku/push?y=26" target="_blank">raku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣沒有國家安全 台股就可以歸0了</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 13:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快點移到美國 台灣就可以蛋雕了 應該沒人看不懂吧</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 13:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkdogoblin/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkdogoblin</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 畫一塊區域給台灣啊 ，保證移走至少一半的島民</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/16 13:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkdogoblin/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkdogoblin</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 島民有錢又刻苦耐勞，跟你現在進口的低階完全不同</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onekoni/push?y=26" target="_blank">onekoni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積的秘訣就是黃猴子</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 13:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aeoleron/push?y=26" target="_blank">aeoleron</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 劃為美國的一州不就解決了(</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/16 13:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jkokpcu/push?y=26" target="_blank">jkokpcu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整個產業鏈要去美國你花的錢要是現在的10倍不如直</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 13:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jkokpcu/push?y=26" target="_blank">jkokpcu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 接跟台灣買</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luchgin/push?y=26" target="_blank">luchgin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他現在就是串通習，等我晶片蓋好，放手讓習打</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 13:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FatFatQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FatFatQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積掰 英特爾上看3兆美 你會爽</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/16 13:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台雞電準備跌停！！！</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 13:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdiaa/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdiaa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除非真的要龜縮回美國啦不然不會放掉台灣</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/16 13:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ypw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ypw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能選州長時記得通知我</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 13:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joety1103/push?y=26" target="_blank">joety1103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣本來就不能太配合美國，不然就被吃光，直接國安</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/16 13:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joety1103/push?y=26" target="_blank">joety1103</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 審核，限制技術外流，不這樣矽盾遲早拆光光</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PerfectID/push?y=26" target="_blank">PerfectID</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼川普非常看不起台灣?有人知道嗎?</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/16 13:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abbasmart/push?y=26" target="_blank">abbasmart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是錢的問題對吧？</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 13:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abbasmart/push?y=26" target="_blank">abbasmart</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 校長歷史留名了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iloveforix/push?y=26" target="_blank">iloveforix</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升官發財沒有黃猴子的份，但是教育訓練肯定是要黃猴</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 13:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iloveforix/push?y=26" target="_blank">iloveforix</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 子來扛！美吹仔 懂嗎？真可悲！阿郎 要出來說嗎，哇</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iloveforix/push?y=26" target="_blank">iloveforix</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哈哈</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s9451002tim/push?y=26" target="_blank">s9451002tim</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被它這樣搞下去，未來Intel跟TSM真的要黃金交叉了</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 13:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s9451002tim/push?y=26" target="_blank">s9451002tim</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david850914/push?y=26" target="_blank">david850914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這人兩年後就下去了</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 13:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人家都不幫你出兵了你還在那邊整天舔zzz</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/16 13:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不出兵不給軍武呵呵</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普講了等於沒講，就有人在那硬掰</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 13:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃色猴子想當奴隸美國還是會收的</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 13:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/heveninferno/push?y=26" target="_blank">heveninferno</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦！要變51週你又不敢</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 13:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lightofsky/push?y=26" target="_blank">lightofsky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要逃的要快?</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 13:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason613/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason613</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 北七垃圾川 都給垃圾intel 做啊</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/16 13:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bbeck/push?y=26" target="_blank">bbeck</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TACO三 又双幫台GG認證 已反應／已鈍化 ！？ @@</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 13:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/veigarlol/push?y=26" target="_blank">veigarlol</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 矽盾變細燉了</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/16 13:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kk740426/push?y=26" target="_blank">kk740426</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就直接把台灣變成美國的一州就解決的事</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/16 13:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h129875230/push?y=26" target="_blank">h129875230</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不出兵那就和統 我們講的可是中文呢</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/16 13:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h129875230/push?y=26" target="_blank">h129875230</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到時候就是中國有晶片你沒有</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furret/push?y=26" target="_blank">furret</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在美國做喔 光人力成本就要飆了</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/16 13:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Pheromone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Pheromone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每人發一張綠卡就解決的事</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/16 13:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KISS1979/push?y=26" target="_blank">KISS1979</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Tea Taliwan!</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/16 13:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之後就是台灣工程師分紅跟薪水一直降，全拿去養美國</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/16 14:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人，一切預告在前</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，台灣一人當三人用，讓美國大爺進公司渡假</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 分紅有降了嗎</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/16 14:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/denow0208/push?y=26" target="_blank">denow0208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老調重彈還是有一堆小丑出來酸，快笑死XDD</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/16 14:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tttxxx/push?y=26" target="_blank">tttxxx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那邊的人只想開告直接拿大錢 說你不遵守美國規則</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/16 14:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vltw5v/push?y=26" target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國：留人不留島</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/16 14:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vltw5v/push?y=26" target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國：留島不留人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poplc/push?y=26" target="_blank">poplc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不輪班的美國人 錢就給很低就好了</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/16 14:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poplc/push?y=26" target="_blank">poplc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 徹底讓你美國人知道努力的人才有錢賺不就好了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐幹 台積電又要被搬走了嗎</span><span class="push-right">209F 05/16 14:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xx60824xx/push?y=26" target="_blank">xx60824xx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又提台灣 提款機真好用</span><span class="push-right">210F 05/16 14:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣人變身美國人就不肝了，國籍改變會變差，沒法做</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/16 14:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vn507595/push?y=26" target="_blank">vn507595</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把台灣併入美國不就完全是美國的？</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/16 14:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qoo159/push?y=26" target="_blank">qoo159</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長期看確實台股灣慢性死亡</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/16 14:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnny5411/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnny5411</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實不管台積美積都是好G 買就對了</span><span class="push-right">214F 05/16 15:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkest68/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkest68</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 技轉完就等統一了 低能鳥蟾</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/16 15:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ab4daa/push?y=26" target="_blank">ab4daa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你ok 我拿矽盾</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/16 15:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sealin/push?y=26" target="_blank">sealin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又來</span><span class="push-right">217F 05/16 15:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TheWho/push?y=26" target="_blank">TheWho</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 廣發綠卡 人自動會過去</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/16 15:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/salazopyrin/push?y=26" target="_blank">salazopyrin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我希望馬克斯的錢都是我的錢</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/16 15:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lantimes/push?y=26" target="_blank">lantimes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好啊 送綠卡嗎</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/16 15:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/geneaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">geneaven</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 簡單，川普發給每個台灣理工科大學生美國護照就能</span><span class="push-right">221F 05/16 15:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/geneaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">geneaven</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 挖走台灣晶圓廠了，10幾20萬張而已簡單吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohlong/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohlong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 掏空以後的島就拿來當籌碼送惹 豪爽</span><span class="push-right">223F 05/16 15:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/O300/push?y=26" target="_blank">O300</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 70像7歲幼稚自私的臭老人</span><span class="push-right">224F 05/16 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GivemeApen/push?y=26" target="_blank">GivemeApen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒錯要完了 快點市價砍股票</span><span class="push-right">225F 05/16 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶就是太小氣，連綠卡都想當商品不肯放送</span><span class="push-right">226F 05/16 16:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 或者他其實也怕一口起挖幾萬人會影響某些區域的社群</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習唯一要擔心的是:美國說蓋完就綠燈，結果10年過去</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 發現美國還沒整好產業鏈</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/grayeric/push?y=26" target="_blank">grayeric</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣 can help 美債</span><span class="push-right">230F 05/16 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以慢慢把2330轉到TSM了</span><span class="push-right">231F 05/16 16:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/geneaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">geneaven</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實真的發美國身分給台灣理工科大學生很划算，直</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/16 16:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/geneaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">geneaven</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 接挖走一整個世代的生產力加少子化後集中繼承上代</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/geneaven/push?y=26" target="_blank">geneaven</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的財產去繳高額的美國稅金，怎麼看都賺死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最快就是卡發一發，但是又跟川寶自己的移民收緊</span><span class="push-right">235F 05/16 16:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政策相左</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國幾十年來科研很多是靠吸納國外高階人才</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yourock/push?y=26" target="_blank">yourock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已經去了，他只是一直講一樣的話</span><span class="push-right">238F 05/16 17:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/houseguy/push?y=26" target="_blank">houseguy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拿核武來換</span><span class="push-right">239F 05/16 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sm3489/push?y=26" target="_blank">sm3489</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 星期一台股大怒神</span><span class="push-right">240F 05/16 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maniaque/push?y=26" target="_blank">maniaque</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有人覺得三普在誘導中國對台轉武鬥派???</span><span class="push-right">241F 05/16 18:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berserk/push?y=26" target="_blank">berserk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國有身分的也不少 為何不能用 不就環境不同根本</span><span class="push-right">242F 05/16 18:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berserk/push?y=26" target="_blank">berserk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 無法跟在台灣一樣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berserk/push?y=26" target="_blank">berserk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以為給身份能一樣奴的也太傻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wrbdnombd/push?y=26" target="_blank">wrbdnombd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全部公司跟員工發綠卡啊 做不到就只是低能兒講幹話</span><span class="push-right">245F 05/16 18:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peter98/push?y=26" target="_blank">peter98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有身分誰跟你去低端的台積電...low成這樣 = =</span><span class="push-right">246F 05/16 18:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一般黃猴可不要的 一定黃猴中的晶英</span><span class="push-right">247F 05/16 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/letyouselfgo/push?y=26" target="_blank">letyouselfgo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 換海力士了吧 賺爛</span><span class="push-right">248F 05/16 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkmmking/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkmmking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以啊，一人發一張綠卡馬上人人去美國</span><span class="push-right">249F 05/16 19:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chitsaijang/push?y=26" target="_blank">chitsaijang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣一定全力配合美國爸爸把產業鏈送去</span><span class="push-right">250F 05/16 19:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SAABSAAB/push?y=26" target="_blank">SAABSAAB</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝功德</span><span class="push-right">251F 05/16 19:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aertina/push?y=26" target="_blank">aertina</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接把整個台灣上下供應鏈都發綠卡啊 馬上複製</span><span class="push-right">252F 05/16 20:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DouglasT/push?y=26" target="_blank">DouglasT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死人 不然你們來用搶的啊</span><span class="push-right">253F 05/16 21:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eriker/push?y=26" target="_blank">eriker</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過其實默許過去好像就代表可以來生美國小孩的意思</span><span class="push-right">254F 05/16 21:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eriker/push?y=26" target="_blank">eriker</a> 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原文標題： 川普：台灣若走向獨立恐釀嚴重後果　點名晶片業赴美 原文連結： https://bit.ly/4uifBwX 川普：台灣若走向獨立恐釀嚴重後果　點名晶片業赴美│TVBS新聞網 川習會於北京剛落幕，針對台海局勢與半導體供應鏈安全，川普近日接受福斯新聞主持人拜爾（Bret Baier）的訪問。他強調，台灣問題始終是美中台關係中最敏感的議題。只要自己在任，便能維持台海局勢的相對穩定。同時，他也直接點名台灣的晶片產業，呼籲企業應加速將生產線轉移至美國亞利桑那州，以因應日益嚴峻的區 ... 發布時間： 2026/05/16 10:30 記者署名：謝景沛 原文內容： 川習會於北京剛落幕，針對台海局勢與半導體供應鏈安全，美國總統川普近日接受《福斯新 聞》專訪。他強調，台灣問題始終是美中台關係中最敏感的議題。只要自己在任，便能維持 台海局勢的相對穩定。同時，他也直接點名台灣的晶片產業，呼籲企業應加速將生產線轉移 至美國亞利桑那州，以因應日益嚴峻的區域風險。 台海局勢敏感　呼籲維持現狀避免衝突 川普指出，過去10幾年來，台海議題始終是習近平最關注的核心焦點。不過川普認為，只要 他持續發揮 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> yisky (乳酪三明治餅乾)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 川普：台灣若走向獨立恐釀嚴重後果　點<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 11:07:39 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> 川普：台灣若走向獨立恐釀嚴重後果　點名晶片業赴美 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <a href="https://bit.ly/4uifBwX" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://bit.ly/4uifBwX</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://news.tvbs.com.tw/world/3205517" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>川普：台灣若走向獨立恐釀嚴重後果　點名晶片業赴美│TVBS新聞網</strong></a> <a href="https://news.tvbs.com.tw/world/3205517" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="675" style="width:1200px;height:675px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cc.tvbs.com.tw/img/upload/2026/05/16/20260516095258-45f895ac.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>川習會於北京剛落幕，針對台海局勢與半導體供應鏈安全，川普近日接受福斯新聞主持人拜爾（Bret Baier）的訪問。他強調，台灣問題始終是美中台關係中最敏感的議題。只要自己在任，便能維持台海局勢的相對穩定。同時，他也直接點名台灣的晶片產業，呼籲企業應加速將生產線轉移至美國亞利桑那州，以因應日益嚴峻的區 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> 2026/05/16 10:30 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span>謝景沛 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">川習會於北京剛落幕，針對台海局勢與半導體供應鏈安全，美國總統川普近日接受《福斯新 聞》專訪。他強調，台灣問題始終是美中台關係中最敏感的議題。只要自己在任，便能維持 台海局勢的相對穩定。同時，他也直接點名台灣的晶片產業，呼籲企業應加速將生產線轉移 至美國亞利桑那州，以因應日益嚴峻的區域風險。</div> 台海局勢敏感　呼籲維持現狀避免衝突 <div class="combine-lines">川普指出，過去10幾年來，台海議題始終是習近平最關注的核心焦點。不過川普認為，只要 他持續發揮影響力，便能有效穩定台海局勢。然而，若現狀遭到破壞，或是內部力量走向獨 立，恐將引發地緣政治的強烈震盪。川普直言，部分尋求獨立的聲音極具風險，甚至誤以為 能因此獲得外部實質支持，這可能導致相當嚴峻的後果。因此，他希望兩岸能繼續維持現狀 。</div> 點名半導體產業　促台灣晶片廠遷美 <div class="combine-lines">除了地緣政治的警告，談話更聚焦於台灣的半導體產業。為了降低當前嚴峻局勢帶來的斷鏈 風險，他透露，目前正全力推動所有在台灣生產晶片的企業前往美國建廠。他強調：「對這 些晶片公司而言，這是目前能做出的最佳決策。」</div> 亞利桑那建廠成關鍵　目標拿下全球50%晶片市佔 <div class="combine-lines">目前已有大量台灣晶片企業陸續赴美投資。川普預期，在其任期結束時，美國在全球晶片市 場的份額將一舉提升至40%到50%，甚至更高。他更進一步指出，聰明的晶片企業應加速往亞 利桑那州搬遷，認為將高階產能移往美國，才是解決當前安全風險與供應鏈問題的根本之道 。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 只論台積電的話 在美國產量要提升至40-50% 那生產成本將會大幅提升？ 網路上已經有很多台積電員工，抱怨美廠勞役不均的問題，說美國人好吃懶做，升官卻比台 灣人快，接下來如何擴大美國產量， 對台積電會是一個挑戰嗎？ <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.79.75.218 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: yisky 2026-05-16 11:07:39</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778900861.A.A56.html" target="_blank">#1g1zzzfM (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778900861.A.A56.html" target="_blank" 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style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習川可能有達成協議 要川管好治理台灣的人</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 11:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去美積應該比在台灣還累</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 11:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aa00788/push?y=26" target="_blank">aa00788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪每天開高殺最低 下週一跌停招待</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 11:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tnnua/push?y=26" target="_blank">tnnua</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講不聽只好殺雞取卵</span><span 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要川管好治理台灣的人，不就代表承認台灣是美國罩</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 11:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KrebikShaw/push?y=26" target="_blank">KrebikShaw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的，中國怎麼可能這樣講</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣9月習訪美前 可以觀察一下川普有沒有轉變 半導</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 11:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 體可能修正？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KrebikShaw/push?y=26" target="_blank">KrebikShaw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後目前臺灣高層也沒人在台獨，川普的言論對股市</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 11:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KrebikShaw/push?y=26" target="_blank">KrebikShaw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不會有影響</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KrebikShaw/push?y=26" target="_blank">KrebikShaw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 半導體川普從前年喊到今年創新高，希望他繼續喊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vanii40/push?y=26" target="_blank">vanii40</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的完</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poowoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">poowoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 50%美國，剩下50%給……</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前最大績效就是騙到gg去投資，然後拿來不斷炫耀</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PerfectID/push?y=26" target="_blank">PerfectID</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 翻譯:台灣只有晶片有用,其他都是垃圾</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/falcon11/push?y=26" target="_blank">falcon11</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得半導體股從台灣下市去美國上市就好了</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fantasyscure/push?y=26" target="_blank">fantasyscure</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我就問這環境 生態系還有文化要怎樣到美複製？</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccy858/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccy858</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸惹</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karcher/push?y=26" target="_blank">karcher</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川: 先不買武器，就嚇死你們</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 11:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yu1111116/push?y=26" target="_blank">yu1111116</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跳過立法院 先進武器有多少收多少 快啦！</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 11:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/askker/push?y=26" target="_blank">askker</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Tvbs怎麼不直接說最好投降算了</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 11:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/airswalker/push?y=26" target="_blank">airswalker</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現狀就是獨立啊</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 11:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給美國一年，大噴不就是因為路人都知道美國環境</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 11:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 根本沒辦法短時間重建產業鏈</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jay3u7218/push?y=26" target="_blank">jay3u7218</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股點？？？</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 11:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eierom/push?y=26" target="_blank">eierom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 剛進來看以為進錯版，出去看發現沒進錯</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 11:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eierom/push?y=26" target="_blank">eierom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後貼TVBS這種的，拜託如果看TVBS買股你應該滿手</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eierom/push?y=26" target="_blank">eierom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中概</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/john65240/push?y=26" target="_blank">john65240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 青鳥還在覺得日本美國友好會幫</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 11:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/modhairs/push?y=26" target="_blank">modhairs</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政黑很激動耶</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 11:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/happybag/push?y=26" target="_blank">happybag</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: tvbs新聞</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 11:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iahc5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">iahc5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這是川普講的話跟什麼媒體有關係嗎？某樓是X鳥吧</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 11:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/heartblue/push?y=26" target="_blank">heartblue</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/ys5anz.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/ys5anz.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 11:41</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="907" data-ori_h="800" style="width:907px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/ys5anz.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DAEVA/push?y=26" target="_blank">DAEVA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不是掏空 是台灣模式</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 11:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪有什麼嚴重的後果 沒人罩要送人 那我也可以選一</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 11:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 個人送啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/longkiss0618/push?y=26" target="_blank">longkiss0618</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搬完以後 就不需要了</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 11:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/birdman5656/push?y=26" target="_blank">birdman5656</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錯亂中</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 11:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenslc199/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenslc199</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 呆丸 沒救cc</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 11:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aterlu/push?y=26" target="_blank">aterlu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國從以前態度就是這樣，有什麼問題嗎?</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 12:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/itwt/push?y=26" target="_blank">itwt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只能送美國沒得選</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 12:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 某族群氣噗噗 以為美國無條件挺你滋事嗎 某族群是川</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 12:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ganninian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ganninian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 普認證的台海trouble maker</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/d0089145/push?y=26" target="_blank">d0089145</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我想到的是移民潮跟房價崩盤</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 12:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YDSK/push?y=26" target="_blank">YDSK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實美國態度一直都沒變阿，只有我們在一廂情願...</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 12:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/timlu/push?y=26" target="_blank">timlu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只好加入成美國的一州</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 12:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lltools/push?y=26" target="_blank">lltools</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 永遠有一堆阿呆</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 12:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Barbarian123/push?y=26" target="_blank">Barbarian123</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國也沒同意習侵略台灣 ㄏ</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 12:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bboyallcome/push?y=26" target="_blank">bboyallcome</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喔tv13s</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 12:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/starlitfish/push?y=26" target="_blank">starlitfish</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 青鳥還好嗎</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 12:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Royalweger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Royalweger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: trouble maker何苦為難trouble maker</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 12:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/trewq987/push?y=26" target="_blank">trewq987</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒實力就不要大小聲 還被拒絕過境美國</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 12:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/skery3188/push?y=26" target="_blank">skery3188</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 炒股炒房和平統一高割離席泡沫gg</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 12:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qazbamboo/push?y=26" target="_blank">qazbamboo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以只能趁還沒搬完前獨立？</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 12:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cymtrex/push?y=26" target="_blank">cymtrex</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就乖乖當個小島人發大財不要爭名分</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 12:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 變美國一州，就沒有獨立的問題了</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 12:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TureCooler/push?y=26" target="_blank">TureCooler</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來是TVBS呀，不意外</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 12:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MizPerfect/push?y=26" target="_blank">MizPerfect</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低情商：你喊台獨被打是你家的事，跟我美國無關，</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 12:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MizPerfect/push?y=26" target="_blank">MizPerfect</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國也不會幫</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪TSM漲 2330跌</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 12:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Terminals/push?y=26" target="_blank">Terminals</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國擺明就是要圍持現狀，不讓台灣獨也不會讓台灣</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 12:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Terminals/push?y=26" target="_blank">Terminals</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 統</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MizPerfect/push?y=26" target="_blank">MizPerfect</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 坐等深綠喊台獨</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 12:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別想美國出兵保護的意思啦 軍售賣你賺錢 出兵做夢</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 12:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jin49518124/push?y=26" target="_blank">jin49518124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死，川普講出來的哪家報有差嗎？阿我知道三民自</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 12:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jin49518124/push?y=26" target="_blank">jin49518124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不敢報啦嘻嘻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PttWaHaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">PttWaHaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很誠實…給推…</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 12:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yomo2/push?y=26" target="_blank">yomo2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 呵。整天講藥丸 一萬講到四萬</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 12:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/win1130/push?y=26" target="_blank">win1130</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放心青鳥會自己有一套已經獨立的說法，屬是of china</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 12:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普不會這麼說 因為美國確定一個中國一個台灣</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 12:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 保持不變 他很清楚 所以這不可能發生</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/agvnol/push?y=26" target="_blank">agvnol</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 某團體要氣死了！哈哈哈哈</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 12:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 12:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開不下百次會議 不用幫超譯</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 12:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五角大樓現在都用CCP 不代表china 8年了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tarcowang/push?y=26" target="_blank">tarcowang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會信2028年美國有40% GG產能的應該是小學生</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 12:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 畫紅線給特定人看</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 12:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nic0911/push?y=26" target="_blank">nic0911</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禁止川普入台</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 12:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Temperboxer/push?y=26" target="_blank">Temperboxer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哎 沒人想打帳 但不代表就只能對中國卑躬屈膝 我看</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 12:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Temperboxer/push?y=26" target="_blank">Temperboxer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很多人推文聽起來就是直接投降不就好了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普一概立場： 拜託臺灣能夠保護好自己 就算突然</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 12:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被侵略 也能撐到戰鬥群來幫 所以多買一點 讓我賺</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推文小心</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 12:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Verve/push?y=26" target="_blank">Verve</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: tvbs超譯能力堪慮啊可憐看衰GG趕快空，1800沒買夠</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 12:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記得唷 謝景沛 夏夕夏井 丟死人了 幫人超譯</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 12:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普原話：Xi &quot;feels very strongly&quot; about the is</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: land and &quot;doesn&#039;t want to see a movement for in</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: dependence&quot;, Trump said. 翻譯是：習向我表示</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 非常不願看倒向獨立運動 是習的看法 川表示 朕知道</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你看這個記者：強調 指出 進一步指出 靠……央視嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/patri0052/push?y=26" target="_blank">patri0052</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那川普收了台灣當51州不是更省事</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 13:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/patri0052/push?y=26" target="_blank">patri0052</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣獨立本來就是中美都不願意見到的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/patri0052/push?y=26" target="_blank">patri0052</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這段話等於只透露川普不願看到兩岸有事而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 臺灣實質是有自身主權的，所以台灣關係法只適用於</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 13:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 臺灣上的主權實體 這裡是股版 只是指出這篇假新聞</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的扭曲部分 真要說的話 就是加碼台股先進製程</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hzhz5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">hzhz5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只能一省或一週，沒有獨立選項</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 13:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上因為川寶不想？川寶是怕變成美國海外州對面發</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 13:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 瘋</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ming7200/push?y=26" target="_blank">ming7200</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講講而已啦 。老人下台了就沒人鳥了</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 13:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PerfectID/push?y=26" target="_blank">PerfectID</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣沒有天然資源,又不是白人,把台積電搬走就夠了</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 13:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PerfectID/push?y=26" target="_blank">PerfectID</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣是一個很爛很噁心的島,不值得美國擁有</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/scum5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">scum5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最嚴重的後果是還沒獨立 晶片產業已經全部被挖走了</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 13:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JTerry/push?y=26" target="_blank">JTerry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Tvbs 一些對台不利就高潮媒體</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 13:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美積電本益比更高 不要緊張</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 13:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GAIEGAIE/push?y=26" target="_blank">GAIEGAIE</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推文讓我見識到了何謂睜眼說瞎話 自欺欺人 哈哈 蠻</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 13:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GAIEGAIE/push?y=26" target="_blank">GAIEGAIE</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趣味的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普中共同路人</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 14:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/uire/push?y=26" target="_blank">uire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來第二批軍售有風險了!懂王可能不賣了 唉...</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 14:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RamenOwl/push?y=26" target="_blank">RamenOwl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: tv bullshit</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SNSDpk5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">SNSDpk5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股點?</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 14:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不賣很好阿，直接省錢買垃圾，國內也不用自己吵架</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 14:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/salamender/push?y=26" target="_blank">salamender</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 協助搬走台積電的組織都是罪人</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 14:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poplc/push?y=26" target="_blank">poplc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 翻譯:你再不過來我就把你台灣賣掉啦</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 14:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poplc/push?y=26" target="_blank">poplc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以前威逼還會搭利誘，現在都是直接威逼的 垃圾</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國懶人一堆 甲賽</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 14:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哭 拿不到綠卡 川爺救救台灣好嗎</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 14:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poplc/push?y=26" target="_blank">poplc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普講話怪TVBS~~ 真是世界奇觀</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 14:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cphe/push?y=26" target="_blank">cphe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是每一家都有本錢去美國吧 看看員工薪水就知道</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 14:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cphe/push?y=26" target="_blank">cphe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了，在台灣都跟台積電差很多，去美國活得下去嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒辦法加入台積電就沒辦法了，總不能跑去賣淫吧？</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 14:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnny5411/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnny5411</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇有多少水桶呢？</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 15:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/facefear/push?y=26" target="_blank">facefear</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: QQ</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 15:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Devenskorte/push?y=26" target="_blank">Devenskorte</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台吹你已急哭</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 15:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iloveforix/push?y=26" target="_blank">iloveforix</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國紅熊 會當選嗎</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 15:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己去看專訪 陳述的是事實</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 15:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/winbabu6317/push?y=26" target="_blank">winbabu6317</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子 蒸丸~我幫dpp說的</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 16:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Terminals/push?y=26" target="_blank">Terminals</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國眼中台灣就是主權獨立的「地區」，一個俱備成</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 16:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Terminals/push?y=26" target="_blank">Terminals</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 熟國家該有的獨立運作的地區，這個地區我不主動去</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Terminals/push?y=26" target="_blank">Terminals</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拿但也不會讓習拿走</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/randystock/push?y=26" target="_blank">randystock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把台灣變美國的一個州就好了</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 熟悉的TROUBLE MAKER風向</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/polestar0505/push?y=26" target="_blank">polestar0505</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我川話講這麼明了還是有人要超譯 看外資怎麼調節囉</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q34355997/push?y=26" target="_blank">q34355997</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普講明台灣趕快把晶片業全搬過去台灣我就不要了</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 16:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q34355997/push?y=26" target="_blank">q34355997</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前dpp談判主動提把產業鏈全搬走 美國就很高興</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Terminals/push?y=26" target="_blank">Terminals</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒台積電的台灣八成連中國也不太想要了，又或者中</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 16:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Terminals/push?y=26" target="_blank">Terminals</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國就很好收了，反正沒價了誰還跟他爭？ 台灣剩戰略</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Terminals/push?y=26" target="_blank">Terminals</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 地位的重要，但也沒晶片重要</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jamescrw/push?y=26" target="_blank">jamescrw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趕快空台積 ！</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerrychlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerrychlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 萊爾已經掏空給美國爸爸很多了</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 16:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/millylu0711/push?y=26" target="_blank">millylu0711</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普講這麼明白了，擺明就是沒打算為台灣出兵</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 17:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/millylu0711/push?y=26" target="_blank">millylu0711</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早就知道川普想要台灣趕快把晶片移至美國就是在鋪陳</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/millylu0711/push?y=26" target="_blank">millylu0711</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然台積電沒差，是台灣本身有差</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哇 直接打臉台獨仔</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/VIDYA83/push?y=26" target="_blank">VIDYA83</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很多人覺得自由民視不報導，川普講的話就不存在啦</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 17:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/VIDYA83/push?y=26" target="_blank">VIDYA83</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反而怪某些媒體，戳破國王新衣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NEWinx/push?y=26" target="_blank">NEWinx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以台灣直接變美國一州就沒有獨立問題，晶片業也直</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 18:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NEWinx/push?y=26" target="_blank">NEWinx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 接變美了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oncee/push?y=26" target="_blank">oncee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 某K的言論很好笑...如果沒有川普幹嘛明示+暗示告訴</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 18:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oncee/push?y=26" target="_blank">oncee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣不要想獨立？他都明講不要誤以為那些支持是指</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oncee/push?y=26" target="_blank">oncee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宣布獨立會幫忙，因為人家根本沒興趣管你死活，只</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oncee/push?y=26" target="_blank">oncee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有交代你記得要買美國的武器，沒有承諾買武器要幹</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oncee/push?y=26" target="_blank">oncee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘛</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayianayian/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayianayian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: all in 台積電，下禮拜資產就不知道翻幾番了</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/16 19:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linuxpi/push?y=26" target="_blank">linuxpi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國一向的立場是和平解決台灣問題。</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 19:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bhmagic/push?y=26" target="_blank">bhmagic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趕快下台吧 神經病</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 19:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linuxpi/push?y=26" target="_blank">linuxpi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中共只要跟台灣建交，不要武力擴張走帝國主義路線</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 19:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linuxpi/push?y=26" target="_blank">linuxpi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，對全世界都好。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hypolen/push?y=26" target="_blank">hypolen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又要騙校長了 可憐吶</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 19:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lcl0128/push?y=26" target="_blank">lcl0128</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對啊，全部搬去美國，老美就可以棄台了</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/16 20:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCNCCN/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCNCCN</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TVBS</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 20:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/agriculture/push?y=26" target="_blank">agriculture</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實有英文逐字稿可以看，算簡單程度很容易看懂</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/16 20:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cuhappy/push?y=26" target="_blank">cuhappy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是坐等獨派實現台獨從大學生等到小孩小學了，我兒</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/16 21:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cuhappy/push?y=26" target="_blank">cuhappy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 子大學的時候，搞不好國家名稱還是中華民國</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YMH/push?y=26" target="_blank">YMH</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還玩文字遊戲，台灣一直都是獨立的</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/16 21:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cuhappy/push?y=26" target="_blank">cuhappy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 十年之前台灣不屑叫中華民國，十年之後台灣好愛當</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/16 21:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cuhappy/push?y=26" target="_blank">cuhappy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中華民國</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good200/push?y=26" target="_blank">good200</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台勞美送</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 21:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/epephanylo/push?y=26" target="_blank">epephanylo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有哪個國家會跟自己國內的地方單位建交的????????</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/16 21:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/epephanylo/push?y=26" target="_blank">epephanylo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不好意思我從來沒聽過有這種例子</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fred5093/push?y=26" target="_blank">fred5093</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小賴賴表示：...</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/16 22:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣一直沒有獨立過，是中華民國才是獨立國家</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 22:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中共要跟台灣建交的前題是，台灣要先成為獨立國家阿</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaron68032/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaron68032</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒錯 台灣幹嘛獨 成為美國的一州就好啦</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 23:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imba789/push?y=26" target="_blank">imba789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 該抵制美國了對吧</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/17 00:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ruve/push?y=26" target="_blank">ruve</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看三民自才會發財</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/17 00:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/richard42/push?y=26" target="_blank">richard42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積電99%員工都想當美國人</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/17 01:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/southes/push?y=26" target="_blank">southes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就獨立不屬於prc</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/17 01:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/southes/push?y=26" target="_blank">southes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習敢來台灣再吹</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunandmoonof/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunandmoonof</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記者英文重修</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/17 07:50</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> Su22. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3WR 2026-05-16T10:53:13+08:00 2026-05-17T20:06:43+08:00

原文標題：美股13F報告》波克夏重返航空股！瘋狂加碼Alphabet 清倉亞馬遜、Visa「後巴菲特時代」布局變了 原文連結：https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260516700444-430702 美股13F報告》波克夏重返航空股！瘋狂加碼Alphabet 清倉亞馬遜、Visa「後巴菲特時代」布局變了 - 國際 - 工商時報 「後巴菲特時代」的波克夏・海瑟威（Berkshire Hathaway）投資布局出現明顯轉變。根據最新公布的13F報告，波克夏第一季斥資約26.5億美元新建倉達美航空（Delta Air Lines），這是自2020年疫情期間全面清倉美國四大航空公司後，時隔六年再度重返航空股；另一方面則持續加碼Go ... 發布時間：2026.05.16 10:27 記者署名： 徐于珺 原文內容： 「後巴菲特時代」的波克夏・海瑟威（Berkshire Hathaway）投資布局出現明顯轉變。根 據最新公布的13F報告，波克夏第一季斥資約26.5億美元新建倉達美航空（Delta Air Lines），這是自2020年疫情期間全 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> Su22 (裝配匠)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 美股13F報告》波克夏重返航空股！瘋狂加<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 10:53:13 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span>美股13F報告》波克夏重返航空股！瘋狂加碼Alphabet 清倉亞馬遜、Visa「後巴菲特時代」布局變了 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span><a href="https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260516700444-430702" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260516700444-430702</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260516700444-430702" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>美股13F報告》波克夏重返航空股！瘋狂加碼Alphabet 清倉亞馬遜、Visa「後巴菲特時代」布局變了 - 國際 - 工商時報</strong></a> <a href="https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260516700444-430702" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="300" data-ori_h="200" style="width:300px;height:200px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/s2/q/images.ctee.com.tw/f5556dc7f32d55ad86c9dc708d1b9ae1.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a><a href="https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20260516700444-430702" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="356" data-ori_h="200" style="width:356px;height:200px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/s2/q/static.ctee.com.tw/9b6b56731b49bf22974003dcf61e2537.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>「後巴菲特時代」的波克夏・海瑟威（Berkshire Hathaway）投資布局出現明顯轉變。根據最新公布的13F報告，波克夏第一季斥資約26.5億美元新建倉達美航空（Delta Air Lines），這是自2020年疫情期間全面清倉美國四大航空公司後，時隔六年再度重返航空股；另一方面則持續加碼Go ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span>2026.05.16 10:27 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 徐于珺 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 「後巴菲特時代」的波克夏・海瑟威（Berkshire Hathaway）投資布局出現明顯轉變。根 據最新公布的13F報告，波克夏第一季斥資約26.5億美元新建倉達美航空（Delta Air <div class="combine-lines">Lines），這是自2020年疫情期間全面清倉美國四大航空公司後，<span style="color:#F0F000">時隔六年再度重返航空</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">股；另一方面則持續加碼Google母公司Alphabet，同時大舉清倉亞馬遜、Visa、萬事達卡</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">等消費與金融科技股</span>，引發市場高度關注。</div> <div class="combine-lines">根據最新13F文件顯示，波克夏第一季新建倉約3,980萬股達美航空（DAL），持股市值接 近26.5億美元，占整體投資組合約1%，以市值計算，達美航空一舉躍升為波克夏第14大重 倉股。市場認為，此舉反映新管理層對美國消費、商務旅行與企業獲利前景重新轉趨樂觀 。回顧2020年疫情重創航空業時，巴菲特曾公開表示航空產業商業模式已出現根本改變， 並全面退出達美、美聯航、西南航空與美國航空等持股，如今<span style="color:#F0F000">重新押注航空股</span>，格外具有 指標意義。除<span style="color:#F0F000">達美航空外，波克夏本季也同步新建倉梅西百貨（Macy’s）</span>。</div> <div class="combine-lines">科技股方面，波克夏<span style="color:#F0F000">持續強化對Google的押注。文件顯示，第一季增持Alphabet（GOOGL</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">）A類股超過3,640萬股，持股數較去年第四季暴增約204%</span>，持股市值攀升至156億美元， 在主要持股排名中從第十位升至第七位，成為十大重倉股中排名升幅最大的個股。市場解 讀，這代表波克夏對AI時代Google核心資產價值的認可正持續提升。過去幾年，波克夏對 大型科技股向來相對保守，真正長期重押的科技股僅有蘋果。不過，隨著生成式AI競爭升 溫、Google持續擴大AI基礎建設投資，其估值與穩定現金流再度吸引波克夏加碼。</div> <div class="combine-lines">相較之下，<span style="color:#F0F000">蘋果雖仍穩居波克夏第一大重倉股</span>，但自2025年第二季起，波克夏已連續三季 減持蘋果，直到今年第一季才停止賣出。截至3月底，蘋果仍占波克夏整體美股投資組合 約22.6%，依舊是核心資產。</div> <div class="combine-lines">在加碼Google與航空股的同時，波克夏也同步進行大規模「組合瘦身」。13F顯示，波克 夏已<span style="color:#F0F000">全面退出亞馬遜持倉，並清倉Visa、萬事達卡、聯合健康、達美樂披薩、Pool Corp</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">與Aon等多檔股票</span>。其中，亞馬遜的退出尤其受到市場矚目，這也是波克夏近七年來首次 完全不再持有亞馬遜。去年第四季，亞馬遜便是波克夏減持幅度最大的個股，當季持股數 大減逾77%。市場普遍解讀，波克夏正進一步聚焦於蘋果與Google等具平台護城河與現金 流優勢的大型科技龍頭。</div> <div class="combine-lines">金融股方面，波克夏也持續調整部分銀行與支付類資產。其中，美國銀行（BAC）持股減 少約367萬股，較去年第四季減少約0.7%；酒業股Constellation Brands（STZ）則遭大幅 減持近95.1%。不過，可口可樂與美國運通等長期核心持股則大致維持不變。</div> <div class="combine-lines">此外，本次持倉報告中，<span style="color:#F0F000">雪佛龍（Chevron）減持也是市場焦點</span>。波克夏以成交量加權均 價182.59美元出售約4,578萬股雪佛龍，套現約80億美元，持股降幅約35%，剩餘持股比例 降至4.2%，但仍為雪佛龍第四大股東。</div> <div class="combine-lines">截至2026年3月底，波克夏前十大重倉股仍集中於蘋果、金融與消費龍頭，雖然基本仍是 上一季的「老面孔」，但排名已出現變化，其中Alphabet排名季增三位、升幅最大。根據 13F文件，波克夏第一季十大重倉股依序為：蘋果（AAPL）、美國運通（AXP）、可口可樂 （KO）、美國銀行（BAC）、雪佛龍（CVX）、西方石油（OXY）、Alphabet（GOOGL）、瑞 士安達保險（Chubb）、穆迪（MCO）與卡夫亨氏（KHC）。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 波克夏13F,重回航空股,重倉Google,賣AMZN與VISA(但美國運通還是重倉股) 大家覺得這次選股風格有沒有變? 現在老巴退下來 由新執行長阿貝爾主導 但聽說阿貝爾還是會跟老巴討論 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 58.114.13.212 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: Su22 2026-05-16 10:53:13</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778899996.A.7A2.html" target="_blank">#1g1zmSUY (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778899996.A.7A2.html" target="_blank" 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</span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: UNH才突破近期新高，竟然就出清了，我看基本面沒什</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 13:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jassss/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jassss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 麼大問題呀 ？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eknbz/push?y=26" target="_blank">eknbz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 航空股：SpaceX</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 13:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 亞馬遜也是阿 他賣掉的邏輯不確定是甚麼</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 13:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cindycincia/push?y=26" 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style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TopG/push?y=26" target="_blank">TopG</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是拉屎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wz02022/push?y=26" target="_blank">wz02022</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 追高GG 波克夏有可能走下神壇</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/17 08:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這什麼波波投資邏輯...VISA MASTER才剛和幣圈結合，</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/17 16:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺來的U都能直接花，回饋也多</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fastsheep/push?y=26" target="_blank">fastsheep</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 阿貝師父出手了</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/17 19:11</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> AnneofGreen. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3WO 2026-05-16T11:21:58+08:00 2026-05-17T14:12:27+08:00

文章標題 SpaceX交易代碼曝光傳6月掛牌 估值衝1.75兆美元 原文標題：SpaceX交易代碼曝光傳6月掛牌 估值衝1.75兆美元 原文連結：https://stock.ltn.com.tw/article/yn3rppkt40tr SpaceX交易代碼曝光傳6月掛牌 估值衝1.75兆美元｜財富自由 知情人士透露，全球首富馬斯克（Elon Musk）旗下太空科技公司SpaceX，最快將於6月12日掛牌上市，並選定納斯達克（Nasdaq）作為交易市場。這場備受矚目的IPO，不僅可能成為近年最大規模的股票上市案，也將為今年火熱的AI與科技IPO市場再添震撼彈。 ... 發布時間：2026/05/16 09:33 記者署名： 原文內容： 即時新聞／綜合報導〕知情人士透露，全球首富馬斯克（Elon Musk）旗下太空科技公司 SpaceX，最快將於6月12日掛牌上市，並選定納斯達克（Nasdaq）作為交易市場。這場備 受矚目的IPO，不僅可能成為近年最大規模的股票上市案，也將為今年火熱的AI與科技IPO 市場再添震撼彈。 根據《路透》報導，SpaceX計畫以代號「SPCX」掛牌交易，公 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> AnneofGreen (0050)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] SpaceX交易代碼曝光傳6月掛牌 估值衝1.75<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 11:21:58 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 SpaceX交易代碼曝光傳6月掛牌 估值衝1.75兆美元</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：SpaceX交易代碼曝光傳6月掛牌 估值衝1.75兆美元</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：<a href="https://stock.ltn.com.tw/article/yn3rppkt40tr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://stock.ltn.com.tw/article/yn3rppkt40tr</a></span> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://stock.ltn.com.tw/article/yn3rppkt40tr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>SpaceX交易代碼曝光傳6月掛牌 估值衝1.75兆美元｜財富自由</strong></a> 知情人士透露，全球首富馬斯克（Elon Musk）旗下太空科技公司SpaceX，最快將於6月12日掛牌上市，並選定納斯達克（Nasdaq）作為交易市場。這場備受矚目的IPO，不僅可能成為近年最大規模的股票上市案，也將為今年火熱的AI與科技IPO市場再添震撼彈。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：2026/05/16 09:33</span> <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">即時新聞／綜合報導〕知情人士透露，全球首富馬斯克（Elon Musk）旗下太空科技公司 SpaceX，最快將於6月12日掛牌上市，並選定納斯達克（Nasdaq）作為交易市場。這場備 受矚目的IPO，不僅可能成為近年最大規模的股票上市案，也將為今年火熱的AI與科技IPO 市場再添震撼彈。</div> <div class="combine-lines">根據《路透》報導，SpaceX計畫以代號「SPCX」掛牌交易，公司目前正加速推進IPO時程 ，最快可能下週三公開招股說明書（prospectus），SpaceX預計6月11日敲定IPO價格，並 於6月12日股票就會開始交易。</div> 消息人士指出，SpaceX原本預計在6月底、也就是馬斯克生日附近掛牌，但由於美國證券 交易委員會（SEC）審查進度比預期更快，因此公司決定提前推動上市。 <div class="combine-lines">市場分析認為，SpaceX上市將成為今年最具代表性的IPO之一，甚至可能超越Anthropic與 OpenAI等AI巨頭未來的上市案。這也象徵近兩年因美國關稅政策、地緣政治風險而低迷的 IPO市場，正在強勢回溫。</div> <div class="combine-lines">報導指出，SpaceX此次IPO目標募資約750億美元，公司估值上看1.75兆美元，若順利完成 ，將成為史上規模最大的IPO案。相較於今年2月SpaceX與馬斯克AI公司xAI整合時約1.25 兆美元估值，如今估值再大幅躍升。</div> 此次IPO承銷團由摩根士丹利、美國銀行、花旗集團、摩根大通與高盛領軍，另有16家銀 行參與機構、零售與國際銷售。 <div class="combine-lines">另外，SpaceX選擇那斯達克掛牌，也被視為Nasdaq的一大勝利。Nasdaq近期推出「快速納 入規則」，希望讓大型新上市公司更快進入Nasdaq-100指數，以吸引更多重量級科技公司 掛牌。市場先前就盛傳，SpaceX傾向選擇Nasdaq，目的之一就是希望盡早納入Nasdaq-100 指數</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 傳了好一陣子的SpaceX上市案 外媒傳出最快6.12上市 消息指出，因美國證券交易委員會（SEC）審查文件速度快於預期，SpaceX 決定將原訂 6 月底的上市計畫提前 《路透社》指出，SpaceX 本次目標籌資約 750 億美元，推算整體估值將高達 1.75 兆美 元，穩坐史上最大規模 IPO 寶座，相較於今年 2 月 SpaceX 與馬斯克旗下 AI 新創 xAI 合併時設定的 1.25 兆美元，估值出現顯著躍升 對於美股台股相關產業的股價表現, 靜待時間觀察 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.171.128.162 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: AnneofGreen 2026-05-16 11:21:58</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778901720.A.16A.html" 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class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KylianMbappe/push?y=26" target="_blank">KylianMbappe</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上市就買，5年後能不能退休？</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 11:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fay001/push?y=26" target="_blank">fay001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 火箭以後靠什麼賺錢，還要燒多久？</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 11:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b455104/push?y=26" target="_blank">b455104</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選在熊市上市在想什麼</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 11:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KylianMbappe/push?y=26" target="_blank">KylianMbappe</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒買過剛上市的TSLA，想試試看SPEX哈哈</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 11:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaa80563/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaa80563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華通 這邊鋼底 歐印</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 11:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totoro7923/push?y=26" target="_blank">totoro7923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 火箭靠政府補助吧？</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 11:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smalmal/push?y=26" target="_blank">smalmal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本夢比概念股</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 11:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bbignose/push?y=26" target="_blank">bbignose</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這應該要定期定額</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 11:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cct1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">cct1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 夢想股</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 11:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smalmal/push?y=26" target="_blank">smalmal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看會不會跟tsla一樣三四百倍本益比</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 12:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝老鐵刷的火箭，咻咻咻~</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 12:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KylianMbappe/push?y=26" target="_blank">KylianMbappe</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 查了一下，TSLA 2010/06/29開盤1.267，2015/06/29</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 12:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KylianMbappe/push?y=26" target="_blank">KylianMbappe</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 收盤17.468，決定讓老馬帶我飛一次看看XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 馬斯克的股票都是買他這個人，本益比高的誇張</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 12:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Noberman/push?y=26" target="_blank">Noberman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐硬</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 12:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SecondRun/push?y=26" target="_blank">SecondRun</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TSLA那時很小 SPACEX這體量很難噴成那樣吧</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 12:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 馬斯克專騙韭菜撒幣上車的</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 12:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s213092921/push?y=26" target="_blank">s213092921</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://youtu.be/D3tPfO13F4I" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/D3tPfO13F4I</a></span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/D3tPfO13F4I?autohide=1&"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/D3tPfO13F4I/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為馬斯克以前沒名氣，現在太紅了，潛力股難找QQ</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 12:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good10740/push?y=26" target="_blank">good10740</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股太空全部蛋雕 換這支</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 12:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsukasachung/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsukasachung</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定要買…</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 12:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/daniel6412/push?y=26" target="_blank">daniel6412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場還有這麼多錢嗎</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 12:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宇宙尺度的公司，股價也會是宇宙尺度的，宇宙開發版</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 12:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的台積電</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/casio0406/push?y=26" target="_blank">casio0406</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對我是韭菜我相信特斯拉</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 12:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/casio0406/push?y=26" target="_blank">casio0406</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你好聰明你最懂股票上市公司</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigair888/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigair888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上市啊 都是在那達 大家歐可以買</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 12:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herculus6502/push?y=26" target="_blank">herculus6502</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 養套殺</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 12:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sofar14/push?y=26" target="_blank">sofar14</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華通季線了，99華通</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 12:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Johseagull/push?y=26" target="_blank">Johseagull</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我歐印</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 12:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oking/push?y=26" target="_blank">oking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都騙到首富了</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 12:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一買就套吧</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 12:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看了一下TSLA, 除了少數買在高點的, 都沒賠吧</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 12:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前Tsla不紅還被虧說會不會倒，這才有之後的市場</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 12:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價能賺；IPO就很高調的價值在IPO時就被兌現，割</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韭菜趴開起來...</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Melomomo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Melomomo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買買買 相信老馬</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 12:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanley86300/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanley86300</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這支本夢比應該比特斯拉還高</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 12:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 諾亞方舟股</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 12:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/powersnsn/push?y=26" target="_blank">powersnsn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: IPO只有特定人士可以買</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 12:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/halee/push?y=26" target="_blank">halee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣怎麼申購</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 12:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raku/push?y=26" target="_blank">raku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 目前是靠美國政府合約賺錢（合法的飯）</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 12:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KylianMbappe/push?y=26" target="_blank">KylianMbappe</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有FT、IB之類的行嗎？</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 12:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/simba1222/push?y=26" target="_blank">simba1222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買來當樂透</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 12:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodkilua/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodkilua</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美股有間接持有的標的阿，找一下不難的～</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 12:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FatFatQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FatFatQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不在那斯達克掛牌 啊要在哪掛牌</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 12:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fdkevin/push?y=26" target="_blank">fdkevin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真正的本夢比</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 12:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SSS120329/push?y=26" target="_blank">SSS120329</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很有未來 只是要30年還50年</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 12:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yjg129/push?y=26" target="_blank">yjg129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 昇達科可以噴了嗎 熄火好久了</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 12:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我的小火箭可以跟著一起飛天嗎 我已經先卡位300股</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 12:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 火星移民概念 買了。</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 12:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tamixavier/push?y=26" target="_blank">tamixavier</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 獨佔的飯 算要來的嗎？XD</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 12:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低軌要起飛了嗎</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 13:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Feting/push?y=26" target="_blank">Feting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: spacex是有賺錢的公司，跟燒錢虧損的還是有差</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 13:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 昇達科該上三千了吧</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 13:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Feting/push?y=26" target="_blank">Feting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場沒錢養那麼多大權值，不知道是哪些股票要被吸</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 13:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Feting/push?y=26" target="_blank">Feting</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 血了QQ</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KylianMbappe/push?y=26" target="_blank">KylianMbappe</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/kMkLSJU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/kMkLSJU.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 13:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KylianMbappe/push?y=26" target="_blank">KylianMbappe</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 預防針</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="920" data-ori_h="800" style="width:920px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/kMkLSJUh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wvookevp/push?y=26" target="_blank">wvookevp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以來亞洲納斯達克啊 順便招待馬斯克吃處置</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 13:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TSLA是不是就沒有人要了</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 13:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/x221x221/push?y=26" target="_blank">x221x221</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: RDW TO THE MOOOON</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 13:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smalmal/push?y=26" target="_blank">smalmal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這間公司去年是虧的 50億美元 不過鄉民是靠信仰的</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 13:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smalmal/push?y=26" target="_blank">smalmal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 力量</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: IPO都炒完了 現在低軌在反應月減財報</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 13:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a1252352/push?y=26" target="_blank">a1252352</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒人推DXyz嗎？</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 13:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chen20/push?y=26" target="_blank">chen20</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1股105.32美</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 13:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HarukaLM/push?y=26" target="_blank">HarukaLM</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只能買了</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 13:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amazingwow/push?y=26" target="_blank">amazingwow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛星噴</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 14:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a125wind/push?y=26" target="_blank">a125wind</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給你錢趕快出</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 14:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linkmusic/push?y=26" target="_blank">linkmusic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定要買一股起來收藏啊</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 14:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/matt8816/push?y=26" target="_blank">matt8816</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 事欣科 噴噴噴</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 14:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vby49118/push?y=26" target="_blank">vby49118</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 啟G噴噴</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 14:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xkso/push?y=26" target="_blank">xkso</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上市當天就是股價最高點 認真</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 14:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w147987/push?y=26" target="_blank">w147987</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好的 華通啟碁燿華昇達科 出貨囉</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 14:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highken/push?y=26" target="_blank">highken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上 出什麼貨 根本就沒漲很多</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 15:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tgyhuj01/push?y=26" target="_blank">tgyhuj01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上沒漲很多是認真的嗎?</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 15:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ab4daa/push?y=26" target="_blank">ab4daa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歐印</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 15:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pengkuan2011/push?y=26" target="_blank">pengkuan2011</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 陳進財還我錢</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 15:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LIGI1983/push?y=26" target="_blank">LIGI1983</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別來拖累我的納納啊</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 15:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 特斯拉 蛋雕</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 16:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azhu/push?y=26" target="_blank">azhu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99TSLA</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 16:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/y2eww2r/push?y=26" target="_blank">y2eww2r</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 換炒xspace了嗎</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 16:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/house1206/push?y=26" target="_blank">house1206</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Ai沒新鮮感了，要炒太空了</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/17 09:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iloveforix/push?y=26" target="_blank">iloveforix</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 騙吃騙喝騙傻蛋</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/17 09:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eddycwc/push?y=26" target="_blank">eddycwc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: All in!!!!!!</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/17 13:51</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--> 文章作者可對每則推文做回應... </div></pre> huisan11006. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3WN 2026-05-16T11:15:37+08:00 2026-05-17T17:51:38+08:00

etf所連結的股票或期貨 在交易時已經被抽一次稅了 etf交易卻還要再被抽一次 不就一頭牛剝兩層皮 這部分有辦法建議政府更正嗎 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> huisan11006 ()<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [請益] etf為何還要被抽證交稅<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 11:15:37 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> etf所連結的股票或期貨 在交易時已經被抽一次稅了 etf交易卻還要再被抽一次 不就一頭牛剝兩層皮 這部分有辦法建議政府更正嗎 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.82.109.202 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: huisan11006 2026-05-16 11:15:37</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778901339.A.2E3.html" target="_blank">#1g1-5RBZ (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778901339.A.2E3.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778901339.A.2E3.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neilisme/push?y=26" target="_blank">neilisme</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股利都要被趴3層皮了</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推文小心</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pipipapa22/push?y=26" target="_blank">pipipapa22</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買ETF還要內扣管理費，第四層皮</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 11:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tigertiger/push?y=26" target="_blank">tigertiger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 配息為什麼還要補健保費？</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 11:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去買基金阿，不用證交稅的ETF</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 11:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tigertiger/push?y=26" target="_blank">tigertiger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有法人會拿去套利溢價</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 11:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 安全性也比現在的ETF高</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 11:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/redbeanbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">redbeanbread</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以千分之一而已</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 11:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YumingHuang/push?y=26" target="_blank">YumingHuang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當作做善事囉(?)</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 11:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweertyui891/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweertyui891</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基金一樣有啊，都是成本</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 11:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不爽自己就按照成分股比例買阿</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 11:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason168/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason168</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之後如果有買ETF的ETF，就再多剝一層皮XD</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 11:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jing0607/push?y=26" target="_blank">jing0607</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己要的呀，不會自己買美股膩？</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 11:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stlinman/push?y=26" target="_blank">stlinman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 營業稅也不只抽一次啊!</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 11:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/davidrick/push?y=26" target="_blank">davidrick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 交易了2次課2次税，哪裡有問題？</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 11:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/notime/push?y=26" target="_blank">notime</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吸血鬼</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 11:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilanese/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilanese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就有價證券啊！</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 11:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oldntu/push?y=26" target="_blank">oldntu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然給美國的錢哪裡來</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 11:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ilanese/push?y=26" target="_blank">ilanese</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難道你要證所稅嗎？</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 11:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然哪有錢給標案</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 11:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 按成分股比例買</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 11:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ByronX/push?y=26" target="_blank">ByronX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 萬萬稅不是說假的</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 11:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 建議釋憲</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 11:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kklighter/push?y=26" target="_blank">kklighter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只要還能領到1塊錢，都是不勞而獲</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 11:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不高興的話自己買個股</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 11:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xuane/push?y=26" target="_blank">xuane</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你買etf 多數時間都是另一個人的轉給你，哪來收兩</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 12:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xuane/push?y=26" target="_blank">xuane</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 次稅？經理人換股是另一次交易啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsainalunba4/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsainalunba4</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股市報酬是投資人承擔風險換來的 誰跟你不勞而獲</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 12:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsainalunba4/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsainalunba4</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你投資穩賺的哦 你怎麼不說定存不勞而獲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turst/push?y=26" target="_blank">turst</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連千分之一都在叫 那乾脆別投資 去做定存就好</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 12:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已經優惠為千分之一，若不滿意去買期貨，另外臺灣</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 12:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是加值型營業稅，不是只看營業額。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A1pha/push?y=26" target="_blank">A1pha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ETF就是基金，只是可以在集中市場上交易。既然使用</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 12:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A1pha/push?y=26" target="_blank">A1pha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了集中交易市場的服務，人家跟你收手續費的也很正常</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A1pha/push?y=26" target="_blank">A1pha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 。不然你就直接去臨櫃購買基金也可以。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/livewater/push?y=26" target="_blank">livewater</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股利還要被抽二代健保勒</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 12:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A1pha/push?y=26" target="_blank">A1pha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ETF, Exchange Traded Fund.直譯就是，在交易所交易</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 12:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A1pha/push?y=26" target="_blank">A1pha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的基金。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你交易兩次抽兩次有什麼不對</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 12:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NekomataOkay/push?y=26" target="_blank">NekomataOkay</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為那個ㄚ</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 12:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityhunter04/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityhunter04</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不想被收稅自己去買各股或基金啊….</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 12:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/htiio/push?y=26" target="_blank">htiio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只有極短線才會在意這個手續費</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 12:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/htiio/push?y=26" target="_blank">htiio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不就背離了買etf的初衷</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lakershank/push?y=26" target="_blank">lakershank</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 二代健保：嘿咩</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 12:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股息抽健保費才是該更正的吧, 根本莫名其妙</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 12:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leon1757tw/push?y=26" target="_blank">leon1757tw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然改證所稅啊？</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 12:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整合成分股成一個商品出來課稅我覺得還好 也給你優</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 12:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 臺灣證券投資稅率，光資本利得免稅就賺爛了，還會</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 12:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說證交稅貴的，不是賺太少就是在虧錢，才會覺得太</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貴</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 惠了，不想被課稅就去買基金</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 12:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/daniel6412/push?y=26" target="_blank">daniel6412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 確實</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 12:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/timmy5519/push?y=26" target="_blank">timmy5519</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資本利得免稅</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 12:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neowfish/push?y=26" target="_blank">neowfish</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好啊 那改成賺錢算所得稅好不好</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 12:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A80211ab/push?y=26" target="_blank">A80211ab</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你賣東西繳營業稅完照樣還要繳營所稅，更別提關稅</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 13:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A80211ab/push?y=26" target="_blank">A80211ab</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貨物稅，股市很爽了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A80211ab/push?y=26" target="_blank">A80211ab</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在台灣誠實納稅才是被剝好幾層皮</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/garychang79/push?y=26" target="_blank">garychang79</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你知道交易是什麼意思嗎？</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 13:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/israelii/push?y=26" target="_blank">israelii</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以為什麼有些人寧可自組ETF也不想買現成的</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david9066011/push?y=26" target="_blank">david9066011</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做功德啊 最軟的一塊啊</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 13:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 按成份 一檔都4千5千 要準備破億才能吧 無福消受</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 13:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ypw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ypw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣單筆333元以下不用證交稅</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 13:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azcooper/push?y=26" target="_blank">azcooper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你看可以買美債</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 13:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那下次是不是管理費你也不想給?</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 13:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股息抽健保費正常啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ll1117/push?y=26" target="_blank">ll1117</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不爽不要買啊</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 13:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shellback/push?y=26" target="_blank">shellback</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 抽稅還需要理由？就是要吸錢而已啊</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 13:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCH2022/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCH2022</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今年靠主動型讓交易所爆賺，以前三五千億到現在一</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 14:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCH2022/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCH2022</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 兆，未來就是一兆五，二兆。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCH2022/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCH2022</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除非你能掌握起漲重壓，不然抱著不動會好過你頻繁</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCH2022/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCH2022</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 進出。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neofire/push?y=26" target="_blank">neofire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看要不要買零股，少量交易稅才一塊</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 14:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chicken8/push?y=26" target="_blank">chicken8</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不爽不要買</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 15:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keith780902/push?y=26" target="_blank">keith780902</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃香蕉要剝皮</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 15:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/W22938427/push?y=26" target="_blank">W22938427</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/d3BK6at" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/d3BK6at.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 15:36</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="640" data-ori_h="390" style="width:640px;height:390px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/d3BK6at.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tttxxx/push?y=26" target="_blank">tttxxx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拉積盤只能買這個 台積你又買不起</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 16:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neil25/push?y=26" target="_blank">neil25</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 壓房貸二胎大賺 何必在乎這一點點稅</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f19870421/push?y=26" target="_blank">f19870421</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買美債ETF 配息不用被二代健保</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lluunnaa/push?y=26" target="_blank">lluunnaa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 進賭場總要繳點規費維護場地吧?</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 21:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TellthEtRee/push?y=26" target="_blank">TellthEtRee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以用零股賣啊 1000元以下都不用交易稅</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/17 01:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GymRat/push?y=26" target="_blank">GymRat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 該加的是護士的待遇不是醫生</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/17 11:21</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> pla4242yer. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3W5 2026-05-16T09:41:24+08:00 2026-05-17T17:51:34+08:00

10多年前我開始做選擇權, 口袋空空當然由買方開始做起 從只有月選到週選出現, 再到現在出現了週五選 人生谷底帳戶剩台幣不到10萬, 還欠銀行錢 說是靠買方翻身這倒也不為過, 說點心得應該夠資格吧 做買方, 幾乎註定你是與後悔這兩個字為伴 打開選擇權的K線, 永遠抓不到最高或最低點, 甚至差地遠了 每每想撈一波大的抱久一點, 就是獲利大幅回吐甚至倒賠 每次將獲利收到口袋後, 後面就是看著魚尾埋怨自己 這十幾年我一直承受這樣的情緒, 真正抓到高低點大概3次以內吧 這算是買方對自己的挑戰, 要能克服這樣的心理情緒, 才能做得久 這次分享三點我覺得做買方的方式, 不過也許僅適用我 1.不對就跑: 選擇權消風的速度極快, 趨勢一錯價值就快速流失 就像你看到上門的不對盤, 與照片不符, 感覺不對 果斷止損, 付點車馬費就好 2.有爽就出: 選擇權跟市場情緒有關, 火熱的時候價格快速上漲 然而一旦開始消退, 價格是很難回去高點 當日期貨+800->0->+200 看似總結-600 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> pla4242yer (蔥小二)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [心得] 買選擇權就像買春<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 09:41:24 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 10多年前我開始做選擇權, 口袋空空當然由買方開始做起 從只有月選到週選出現, 再到現在出現了週五選 人生谷底帳戶剩台幣不到10萬, 還欠銀行錢 說是靠買方翻身這倒也不為過, 說點心得應該夠資格吧 做買方, 幾乎註定你是與後悔這兩個字為伴 打開選擇權的K線, 永遠抓不到最高或最低點, 甚至差地遠了 每每想撈一波大的抱久一點, 就是獲利大幅回吐甚至倒賠 每次將獲利收到口袋後, 後面就是看著魚尾埋怨自己 <div class="combine-lines">這十幾年我一直承受這樣的情緒, 真正抓到高低點大概3次以內吧 這算是買方對自己的挑戰, 要能克服這樣的心理情緒, 才能做得久 </div> 這次分享三點我覺得做買方的方式, 不過也許僅適用我 <div class="combine-lines">1.不對就跑: 選擇權消風的速度極快, 趨勢一錯價值就快速流失 就像你看到上門的不對盤, 與照片不符, 感覺不對 果斷止損, 付點車馬費就好</div> 2.有爽就出: 選擇權跟市場情緒有關, 火熱的時候價格快速上漲 然而一旦開始消退, 價格是很難回去高點 當日期貨+800-&gt;0-&gt;+200 看似總結-600 選擇權價格可能從+400%剩下+20%甚至變成負的 記住你的目的, 有爽到就出, 不是做苦工讓對方爽的 3.出後不理: 出了後越看只會越後悔, 99.99%的時間你的進出都是錯的 這時候不看不聞, 反而對你的心態有正面幫助 就像你排出毒素趕人出門後, 不要再有其他聯繫 別忘了對方是做甚麼的, 在那邊幻想拉魚上岸只是浪費心力 近年我很少做買方了, 一來是資金變大後做買方比較沒意義 二來是週五選出現後, 成交量被分散, 大口數進出滑價大也很容易被狙擊 昨天久違的下了一筆, 本來想說破千很開心出掉, 果然收盤直接少賺1000 <a href="https://ibb.co/Kc20m74X" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://ibb.co/Kc20m74X</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="592" data-ori_h="640" style="width:592px;height:640px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/ibb_co_4w8mJMv7.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> 別問我後不後悔, 幹當然後悔阿, 但是又能怎樣... 也別看別人賺就喜孜孜去嘗試, 我賠的時候你不知道而已 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 122.196.24.129 (日本)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: pla4242yer 2026-05-16 09:41:24</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778895688.A.1F4.html" target="_blank">#1g1yj87q (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778895688.A.1F4.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778895688.A.1F4.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cheedo/push?y=26" target="_blank">cheedo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恭喜</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 09:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heyer/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heyer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是股神嗎</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/16 09:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/XXXXCOW/push?y=26" target="_blank">XXXXCOW</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三小 我以為是-的</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 09:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buyaowen/push?y=26" target="_blank">buyaowen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好猛 恭喜恭喜</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/16 09:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JusTKurO/push?y=26" target="_blank">JusTKurO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭博的東西當投資。。。 保重</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 09:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 心臟好大</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 09:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以？</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 09:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnmnooo/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnmnooo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整體還是賺到流湯</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 09:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/klayjohnson/push?y=26" target="_blank">klayjohnson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 酸他賭博也 現在買股票的也是在賭阿 賺錢有守住才是</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 09:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只覺得選擇權好難 一個失足成千古恨</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 09:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/e73103999/push?y=26" target="_blank">e73103999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 少賺一千萬？</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 09:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turndown4wat/push?y=26" target="_blank">turndown4wat</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 厲害</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 09:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jinhouse123/push?y=26" target="_blank">jinhouse123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從交配悟出交易之道嗎 ~~</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 10:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buski/push?y=26" target="_blank">buski</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人生用這種方式投資真的好嗎？情緒高低震盪，對身</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 10:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buski/push?y=26" target="_blank">buski</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 體健康都是傷害</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c94dk40204/push?y=26" target="_blank">c94dk40204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: F3是做Bull Put Spread 那個少一千萬呀 好強</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 10:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是賭神?</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 10:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dennis50253/push?y=26" target="_blank">dennis50253</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 少賺一千萬，真大戶</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 10:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wwewcwwwf/push?y=26" target="_blank">wwewcwwwf</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭鬼 我全家就被賭鬼害死 你只是剛好有本賭贏</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/16 10:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我賭不起來 不羨慕</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/16 10:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/geige/push?y=26" target="_blank">geige</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣方喔 保重 出事直接破產，賺一點點賠億點</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 10:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dennis50253/push?y=26" target="_blank">dennis50253</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越看越屌，一賺就是千萬</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 10:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 接下來是不是要加群組？</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 10:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/geige/push?y=26" target="_blank">geige</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 純買方還能賺是高手無疑</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 10:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/inuyaksa/push?y=26" target="_blank">inuyaksa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從交配悟出交易真理 大師</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 10:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別講得買股票就不是賭博耶....</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 10:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把股市當賭博玩當然看什麼都是賭博</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 10:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hank61910/push?y=26" target="_blank">hank61910</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有單就推</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 10:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c94dk40204/push?y=26" target="_blank">c94dk40204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蔥爺之前的ig文章都刪了要去那邊看呀我最近都找不到</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 10:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭博是零和遊戲，加上摩擦成本期望值是負的。懂了</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 10:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗎？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 米鴿 期權買方是負合，賣方是正合</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 10:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是賣方常常奈米賺然後大賠出局(skewness 偏態</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買方則相反</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是選擇權莊家會詐賭，所以…嘻嘻！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolrock/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolrock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩定賺錢不算賭博</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 10:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dennis50253/push?y=26" target="_blank">dennis50253</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 10年可以搞到千萬以上，已經是選擇權大師了吧，好猛</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 10:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選擇權真不是純人類玩的東西</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 10:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BlueBird5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">BlueBird5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是三秒就出來了然後覺得空虛嗎</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 10:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IDF5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">IDF5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 心態調整好，最後交易心如止水，做對就抱，做錯就</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 10:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IDF5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">IDF5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 認錯</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schrei/push?y=26" target="_blank">schrei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 射後不理違反人性 很難啊 你看賣飛記十年</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 10:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chatbra/push?y=26" target="_blank">chatbra</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還好不是賣選擇權，不然你就變成老鴇了XDD</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 10:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼有人覺得買股票是賭博... ptt程度真的很差</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 10:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aceradsl/push?y=26" target="_blank">aceradsl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很強 玩選擇權能玩到十年</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 10:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aceradsl/push?y=26" target="_blank">aceradsl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣方要看很準 一波大的就拜拜了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevin126/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevin126</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哥是我的神</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/16 10:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/henryeech/push?y=26" target="_blank">henryeech</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能夠做到情緒不被損益影響的才適合做選擇權或是當沖</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 10:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dennis50253/push?y=26" target="_blank">dennis50253</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成大對面星巴客搬到奇美樓了你知道嗎？股神學長</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 10:41</span></div> 離開台南快10年了 感傷 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wyytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">wyytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嫖客</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 10:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/curlymonkey/push?y=26" target="_blank">curlymonkey</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牛逼，買春買到賺錢</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 10:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntcbman/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntcbman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選擇權買方部位超過百萬以上基本上壓力太大</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 10:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntcbman/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntcbman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 部位都超過單一自營部甚至好幾個加起來總和， 除非</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntcbman/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntcbman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 手上還有其他部位需要避險</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntcbman/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntcbman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 否則這真得是賭大的，身價破億的人在搞</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/adairchang/push?y=26" target="_blank">adairchang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼累幹嘛</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 10:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喜歡賭博的就不累, 也是有人職業打德撲的</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 10:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonylolz/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonylolz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買方就是小賭怡情</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 10:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭博就是愛賭技術好的割愛賭技術差的</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 10:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shadowkurumi/push?y=26" target="_blank">shadowkurumi</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那賣選擇權勒</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 10:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Jesse Livermore 覺得這篇很讚</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 10:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iuiuisme/push?y=26" target="_blank">iuiuisme</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 狂</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 10:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pla4242yer/push?y=26" target="_blank">pla4242yer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: IG一直出現盜帳號騷擾我朋友,我就把交易文都刪了</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 10:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamduncan/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamduncan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好猛！</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 10:55</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: pla4242yer (122.196.24.129 日本), 05/16/2026 10:56:49</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做重大決定之前尻一槍，保持絕對理性</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 10:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/AuETmsl" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/AuETmsl.jpg</a></span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="331" data-ori_h="800" style="width:331px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/AuETmslh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/snio2427/push?y=26" target="_blank">snio2427</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要怎麼學阿</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 10:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Solyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Solyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣方10次輸1次掰掰，買方10次贏1次暴富</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 10:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Solyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Solyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 零和遊戲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billy791122/push?y=26" target="_blank">billy791122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買方10次也不會富的，除非你口數多又不賣飛</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 11:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeffofpower1/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeffofpower1</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺爛了</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 11:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chachabo/push?y=26" target="_blank">chachabo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: =.=超猛</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 11:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joygo/push?y=26" target="_blank">joygo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高手中的高手</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 11:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Solyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Solyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看準張力，壓買方，其實買方比賣放好做。買方心流</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 11:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Solyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Solyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是完全可以射後不理，原因在於籌碼很小全輸心臟也</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Solyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Solyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 扛得住。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Solyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Solyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我指的射後不理，不是說到期前都不管</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjoonnyy/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjoonnyy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高手</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 11:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faultless/push?y=26" target="_blank">faultless</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選擇權真的是天選之人在玩的</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 11:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Solyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Solyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 戰績只有3個月5-18，希望高手指正我，感謝</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 11:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crazydj/push?y=26" target="_blank">crazydj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恭喜</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 11:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/energy100203/push?y=26" target="_blank">energy100203</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高手買春越買越舒爽</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 11:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yurian/push?y=26" target="_blank">yurian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一單就賺千萬 而且還少賺千萬 現在本金應該好幾個e</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 11:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yurian/push?y=26" target="_blank">yurian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了吧@@</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dadanyellow/push?y=26" target="_blank">dadanyellow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雖然自己在玩，但完全不會推薦任何親友做OP，付出</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 11:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dadanyellow/push?y=26" target="_blank">dadanyellow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的學費可以非常可怕</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dadanyellow/push?y=26" target="_blank">dadanyellow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後絕對只做買方，賣方就給法人、大戶去操控就好</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sanwan/push?y=26" target="_blank">sanwan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高手，不過選擇權賺錢除非收手，不然賭局還沒完</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 11:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/redbeanbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">redbeanbread</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不推薦呀 買方歸零居多</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 11:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Adrian/push?y=26" target="_blank">Adrian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺爛了</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 11:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在動不動就幾千點震盪 買方做雙買賺一邊蠻穩的</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 11:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/redbeanbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">redbeanbread</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本金600萬看錯就是歸零 讓高手萬就好</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 11:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FinallyPeace/push?y=26" target="_blank">FinallyPeace</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 厲害 有賺就好</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 11:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keyseelar/push?y=26" target="_blank">keyseelar</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原本以為是雜魚 看到圖片後原來是大佬</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 11:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hihi29/push?y=26" target="_blank">hihi29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高手 賺爛啦</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 11:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EddieWuRJJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">EddieWuRJJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺爛</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 11:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okderla/push?y=26" target="_blank">okderla</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推文裡怎麼會有人替一個在選擇權市場存活十幾年的</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 11:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okderla/push?y=26" target="_blank">okderla</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玩家擔心呢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a79111010/push?y=26" target="_blank">a79111010</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選擇權就當樂透買就好了</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 11:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yayan1010/push?y=26" target="_blank">yayan1010</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有賺錢就是恭喜</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 11:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BLUESKY101/push?y=26" target="_blank">BLUESKY101</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週一你會少賺5000萬</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 11:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gnid/push?y=26" target="_blank">gnid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牛</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 11:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/donod/push?y=26" target="_blank">donod</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你484發錯版了....</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 11:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/The4sakenOne/push?y=26" target="_blank">The4sakenOne</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 零和能活下來的都是猛男</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 11:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/twinsppo/push?y=26" target="_blank">twinsppo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 零和遊戲 此文就想騙不懂的進來割 錢都被割進你口袋</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 11:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/twinsppo/push?y=26" target="_blank">twinsppo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘛</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chen7800/push?y=26" target="_blank">chen7800</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 分享賠的比較有價值</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 11:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bb25329110/push?y=26" target="_blank">bb25329110</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選擇權真的是有爽就出 少賺不會要人命</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 12:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 和職業打德撲的一樣啊, 如果大家都不玩, 就沒錢賺</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 12:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pc010710/push?y=26" target="_blank">pc010710</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: QQ</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 12:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aikotoba/push?y=26" target="_blank">aikotoba</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好有錢</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 12:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投資個股股票才是正途正道</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 12:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 玩金融商品就是幫金融業者打工，是不是當底層自己</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 思考</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xzhi/push?y=26" target="_blank">xzhi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 12:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arickal/push?y=26" target="_blank">arickal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那賣選擇權像賣什麼呀</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 12:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: &quot;玩&quot;就是花錢買樂趣, 也不能算打工, 比較算消費..</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 12:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/remember246/push?y=26" target="_blank">remember246</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選擇權買方是最難操作商品 你是萬中選一武林奇才了</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 12:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Haerin520/push?y=26" target="_blank">Haerin520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比較好奇你是在日本讀語言學校嗎0.0</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 12:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason770301/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason770301</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你怎麼看LEAPS call 代替正股？</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 12:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shmim/push?y=26" target="_blank">shmim</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 厲害的高手</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 13:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xa9277178/push?y=26" target="_blank">xa9277178</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是有人說選擇權是買保險嗎 我怎麼看不出來</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 13:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beavertail97/push?y=26" target="_blank">beavertail97</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: leaps call TSM滿合適的，現在TSM玩的人較以前多太</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 13:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beavertail97/push?y=26" target="_blank">beavertail97</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多了，不怕賣不掉</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有高手快拜</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 13:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說情緒波動有礙健康的奴性是有多重啊？做奴給老闆</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 使喚扛壓力難道比較健康？呵呵</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美股選擇權一口100股 高價股一般人也玩不起吧</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 13:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Yelich/push?y=26" target="_blank">Yelich</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選擇權就是賭博啊 莊家勝率超高</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 13:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolimoon/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolimoon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出後不理是蠻真的，後悔早出又追進去大都是賠回去qq</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 13:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaqimon/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaqimon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 組合單 不裸賣 很安全</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 14:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/scotttt/push?y=26" target="_blank">scotttt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多玩幾次～</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 14:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cat77133/push?y=26" target="_blank">cat77133</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哈哈</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 14:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaqimon/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaqimon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭漲不上去高檔震盪隨時可能下跌</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 14:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaqimon/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaqimon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過如果繼續漲的話這些部位要怎麼調整</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuiscarlet/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuiscarlet</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別說了 昨天以為要噴把p賣掉停損然後...</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 14:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/csy0922/push?y=26" target="_blank">csy0922</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 選擇權美股還是成熟多了 台灣那個流動性一般人還是</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 14:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/csy0922/push?y=26" target="_blank">csy0922</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算了吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ezreal1315/push?y=26" target="_blank">ezreal1315</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 500口也太扯</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 14:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chowencheng/push?y=26" target="_blank">chowencheng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: “永遠抓不到最高或最低點,”恭喜您，終於悟了</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 14:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SourireMask/push?y=26" target="_blank">SourireMask</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太神了 f3一出手就600多萬，這是沿路加碼買到均250?</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 15:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1.其實就是果斷停損 可比原本設定的損失再更少</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 15:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SourireMask/push?y=26" target="_blank">SourireMask</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這萬一跟前幾波一樣隨便v一下可能300就不見了</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 15:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2.就是停利 選擇權槓桿很高 利潤夠就能跑不要戀棧</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 15:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3.就是面對現實 人類真的很難穩抓高低點</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 願意面對現實不然搞到心態崩潰亂進出結果只會更慘</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只是不相信原po真的有後悔難過的感覺</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長年選擇權交易進出應該早就把情緒磨到心如止水</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SkyReaching/push?y=26" target="_blank">SkyReaching</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恭喜啊，心臟很猛</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 15:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺爛了賺爛了</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/16 15:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thomaspig/push?y=26" target="_blank">thomaspig</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 15:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WhiteCP/push?y=26" target="_blank">WhiteCP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高手，抓到42200葡萄而且還買這麼多口</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 15:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leo255112/push?y=26" target="_blank">leo255112</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭神</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 16:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/synchronous/push?y=26" target="_blank">synchronous</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是週四晚上買41500put後來看TSM太強停損，週五一</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 16:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/synchronous/push?y=26" target="_blank">synchronous</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開盤跌到3.6，後來直接噴到430以上</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/synchronous/push?y=26" target="_blank">synchronous</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不停損也從 前一晚20到結算400多了... 20幾倍</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/synchronous/push?y=26" target="_blank">synchronous</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 魚頭沒吃到 魚尾還20幾倍@@</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roiop710/push?y=26" target="_blank">roiop710</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股海茫茫，嫖妓悟道</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 17:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/answermangtr/push?y=26" target="_blank">answermangtr</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 期指選擇權…. 高手境界</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Page122/push?y=26" target="_blank">Page122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你這叫買大小賭博好嗎</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vincent8914/push?y=26" target="_blank">vincent8914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 強 太賭了 學不來</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 18:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/polestar0505/push?y=26" target="_blank">polestar0505</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭神 生活費還是要留 閒錢在賭</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/16 19:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joyi/push?y=26" target="_blank">joyi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭錯了怎麼辦</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/16 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JACC/push?y=26" target="_blank">JACC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 500口 1口1萬元 你錢多 敢賭</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 20:16</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JACC/push?y=26" target="_blank">JACC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第1組價差單 保證金用了800萬 第2組 保證金用了300</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JACC/push?y=26" target="_blank">JACC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 萬 買權用了500萬</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dboy1980/push?y=26" target="_blank">dboy1980</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣522口葡萄，輸了是直接抬出場欸</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JACC/push?y=26" target="_blank">JACC</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上 是買…</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 21:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NotGiveUp/push?y=26" target="_blank">NotGiveUp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雖然是靠選擇權賺錢，但這種文章還是少一點好</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/16 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買選擇權比較像買彩券啦，風險有限，不會傾家蕩產</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 22:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xhs/push?y=26" target="_blank">xhs</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種輸是龜0膏耶</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/17 00:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rmp4rmp4bear/push?y=26" target="_blank">rmp4rmp4bear</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣方鎖價差是要怎麼破產</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/17 01:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxcvb71/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxcvb71</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光時間價值就等於你每天付租金給賣家</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/17 13:05</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxcvb71/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxcvb71</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且每口每天10點起跳，10點就是500塊，現在波動率</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxcvb71/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxcvb71</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 起跳更大</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> joanzkow. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3W4 2026-05-16T09:16:20+08:00 2026-05-17T22:48:36+08:00

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<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> joanzkow (星浪)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 《福斯》專訪談台灣！川普又提晶片被偷　<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 09:16:20 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 《福斯》專訪談台灣！川普又提晶片被偷　形容軍售是好籌碼 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836735" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.nownews.com/news/6836735</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836735" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>《福斯》專訪談台灣！川普又提晶片被偷 形容軍售是好籌碼 | 國際要聞 | 全球 | NOWnews今日新聞</strong></a> <a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836735" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="655" data-ori_h="436" style="width:655px;height:436px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://media.nownews.com/nn_media/thumbnail/2026/05/1778892701456-14554fbff2c64e8d897b23b5d7f33f7c-1200x799.webp?unShow=false" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>美國總統川普（Donald Trump）結束訪中行程後，美媒《福斯新聞》（Fox News）於16日播出他的專訪影片，內容提到台灣、台獨、晶片和軍售。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026-05-16 09:08:23 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 蔡姍伶 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 《福斯》專訪談台灣！川普又提晶片被偷　形容軍售是好籌碼 國際中心蔡姍伶／綜合報導 2026-05-16 09:08:23 <div class="combine-lines">川普在接受主播拜爾（Bret Baier）訪問時，被問到中國國家主席習近平應該會很喜歡他 尚未批准對台軍售，對此他則表示，用「喜歡」這個詞有點太強烈，雖然自己不像拜登一 樣連名都簽不了，但他會暫時擱置這項決定，後續取決於中國怎麼做，他有可能核准，也 有可能不核准：「坦白說，對我們而言，對台軍售是一張非常好的談判籌碼。那是很多武 器，價值120億美元。」</div> 川普認同中國是個強大的國家，而台灣則是一個非常小的島，相較於美國，兩岸距離太近 ，有點棘手，認為在他卸任美國總統後，中國不排除會奪取台灣。 <div class="combine-lines">話鋒一轉，川普接著提到台灣的晶片產業，聲稱台灣之所以能發展起來，是因為美國有些 歷屆總統根本不知道自己在做什麼，導致英特爾（Intel）以及美國晶片公司式微：「他 們偷走了我們的晶片產業。我很多年前就這麼說了....如果當時我們有任何一位總統只要 說一句：『我們將對進口晶片課徵100%關稅。你們可以離開、可以去台灣設廠，但如果要 賣回美國，我們就要課徵100%或200%的關稅。』那我們就永遠不會失去晶片產業。我們失 去了晶片產業。現在一切都正在回來。」</div> <div class="combine-lines">川普形容，台灣議題是習近平眼中最重要的議題，2人在北京期間花費了大量時間交涉， 認為自己現在對台灣這個地方的了解，比起對其他國家都還要多，無論如何，他對於兩岸 的看法就是「維持現狀」，不希望有人因為覺得有美國支持，而走向獨立甚至開戰。</div> <a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836735" target="_blank">https://www.nownews.com/news/6836735</a> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 又來了，台積電要倒楣了 該不會下週盤勢又開始震盪了吧 話說輝達財報快到了 我們可以期待一下嗎 怎麼看 <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.160.56 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: joanzkow 2026-05-16 09:16:20</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778894183.A.754.html" target="_blank">#1g1yLdTK (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778894183.A.754.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778894183.A.754.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vanii40/push?y=26" target="_blank">vanii40</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/16 09:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a 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<div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我真懷疑他任內會從台灣挖一大批晶片農夫</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 09:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了！美國說話都這樣，好朋友才會酸！仇人、敵人</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 09:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都說我們是朋友！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果有送綠卡，那些做晶片工程師的老婆會壓著老公去</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 09:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕啥 美積電一堆台勞過去幫忙拆矽盾了</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 09:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/silentence/push?y=26" target="_blank">silentence</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恩恩 好喔 做得出足夠的量再來</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/16 09:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nwoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">nwoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 呵呵 完全不意外～早就說了啊 美國把好處拿一拿，</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 10:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nwoyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">nwoyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 剩下就管你台灣去死，講白了不就這樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j68345517/push?y=26" target="_blank">j68345517</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幸好沒說我們是他好朋友</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 10:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是倒楣個頭啦，怎麼都有人在那瞎扯，都講一樣的話</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 10:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我倒覺得會一直提對台灣是好事，表示他很在意，等</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 10:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到哪天不提，那事情就大條了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jonse/push?y=26" target="_blank">jonse</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等晶片全部移到美國，就不用提台灣了～</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 10:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ting74942/push?y=26" target="_blank">ting74942</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整天老調重彈不膩嗎</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 10:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asdfgh23/push?y=26" target="_blank">asdfgh23</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 籌碼？？貨多少沒到垃圾渣男</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 10:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過他會一直提，表示他也認知到，短期內不可能產</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 10:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能有多大的轉移</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拉基川，祝你早日被暗殺身亡</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 10:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等到他卸任，那又是另外一件事了</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 10:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/A80211ab/push?y=26" target="_blank">A80211ab</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這以後的美國總統對晶片態度應該都不會變</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 10:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kalapon/push?y=26" target="_blank">kalapon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你會失去很多新鮮的肝</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/16 10:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/idernest/push?y=26" target="_blank">idernest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/16 10:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Obama19/push?y=26" target="_blank">Obama19</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: gg利潤抓那麼高 遲早出事</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 10:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 即時到時台灣高階產能降到只佔6成，美國對晶片產能</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 10:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 掌握的壓力還是很大，更何況美國產能要到4成，應該</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是5～10年後的事了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sorrow0206/push?y=26" target="_blank">sorrow0206</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 暗殺太便宜他了，卸任關到失智漏尿啦</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 10:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ueo2518/push?y=26" target="_blank">ueo2518</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 維持現狀美國才能一直撈好處啊</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 10:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果到時候AI應用產品落地後，那影響可能是世界性</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 10:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k7835285/push?y=26" target="_blank">k7835285</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poeoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">poeoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在都沒有什麼人再吹矽盾了 笑死</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 10:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/manboisold/push?y=26" target="_blank">manboisold</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪華西街大賣空台灣，晶片小偷的原罪</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 10:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/melovejunki/push?y=26" target="_blank">melovejunki</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 痴呆川普又發作了</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 10:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Masaccio/push?y=26" target="_blank">Masaccio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說偷其實是拱手讓人</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 10:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/black205/push?y=26" target="_blank">black205</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 悲哀</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 10:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jin49518124/push?y=26" target="_blank">jin49518124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這篇怎麼美吹仔沒出來狗吹川普好棒棒？</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 10:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LBJnot1to7/push?y=26" target="_blank">LBJnot1to7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒事啦 美國終究得靠台灣噁心中國 還有利用價值~</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 10:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OFETMAN/push?y=26" target="_blank">OFETMAN</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除了美光 有其他來設晶圓廠？韓國也偷了美國的記憶</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 10:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OFETMAN/push?y=26" target="_blank">OFETMAN</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 體 老川根本不在意，就只是想到什麼要什麼</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a94037501/push?y=26" target="_blank">a94037501</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國準備對消費性記憶體課關稅hbm豁免了</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 10:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hulu63/push?y=26" target="_blank">hulu63</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 軍售要當什麼籌碼？你不賣的話，台灣就有個好理由</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 10:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hulu63/push?y=26" target="_blank">hulu63</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要花這筆錢。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 收了錢但不要出貨，這樣就不會得罪中國了</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 10:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hellomo/push?y=26" target="_blank">hellomo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他真的很不爽台灣偷走美國晶片，氣死了…….</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 10:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lottepudgy/push?y=26" target="_blank">lottepudgy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: N2說明會</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 10:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SimleToMe/push?y=26" target="_blank">SimleToMe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 偷你老母啦 白癡一個</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 10:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asidy/push?y=26" target="_blank">asidy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普讓東西台灣能保持和平穩定,股市就穩</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 10:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken123321987/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken123321987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到底是哪個白癡偷吃了大哥女人還害怕大哥不知道 一</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 10:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken123321987/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken123321987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直廣播手上有大哥女人當籌碼 一直矽盾矽盾的叫的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/doom3/push?y=26" target="_blank">doom3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普一直覺得被偷倒底是什麼邏輯</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 10:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/doom3/push?y=26" target="_blank">doom3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎不是印特爾自己搞砸</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChamPion3/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChamPion3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前還有獨派川寶愛川的 真的不知道該說啥</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 10:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要就玩大的，我們也不用軍購了，全部自研就好，反正</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 10:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到時候被中國統一，他沒賺到保護費，又失去台積電</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waitsun2010/push?y=26" target="_blank">waitsun2010</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普你又在靠腰膩</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 10:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b54102/push?y=26" target="_blank">b54102</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他真的很在意 講一年多了 XD</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 10:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zzzzaaaa/push?y=26" target="_blank">zzzzaaaa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台海開戰時川普應該會先炸台積電吧，這樣美積電就</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/16 10:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zzzzaaaa/push?y=26" target="_blank">zzzzaaaa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能吃下所有先進晶片</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/suijojo/push?y=26" target="_blank">suijojo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要不是晶片沒辦法像石油挖出來就可以直接賣，台灣</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 10:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/suijojo/push?y=26" target="_blank">suijojo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的總統可能也會被美國綁走。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ggerger/push?y=26" target="_blank">ggerger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趕快下台被關一關啦 廢渣有權亂搞</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 10:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jack529/push?y=26" target="_blank">jack529</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 加強晶片轉美</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 10:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他真的腦袋很有問題cc</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 10:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amos30627/push?y=26" target="_blank">amos30627</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: intel那廢渣產能連自己都不夠用 還是得靠GG</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 10:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/EXDes/push?y=26" target="_blank">EXDes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全世界偷了美國的錢！！！</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 10:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/furret/push?y=26" target="_blank">furret</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝你在乎台灣 因為利益龐大</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 10:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台勞也搶著賣台 到美國生小孩輸出技術</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 10:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/combodia226/push?y=26" target="_blank">combodia226</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再靠邀偷的，就讓你看得到吃不到</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 10:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dacvoidneci/push?y=26" target="_blank">dacvoidneci</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 霸氣外露</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 10:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/baseball1388/push?y=26" target="_blank">baseball1388</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那現在晶片課100%關稅啊 不能賣美國只好賣對岸囉</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 10:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連軍售都可以當籌碼 台灣花錢買 還要移轉晶片產業</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 10:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去美國嗎？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/takeda3234/push?y=26" target="_blank">takeda3234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以川普還沒簽是看中台給的贈品嗎？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iloveforix/push?y=26" target="_blank">iloveforix</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 繼續美吹好了，金北七</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 11:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PerfectID/push?y=26" target="_blank">PerfectID</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣人真的是小偷,我覺得非常自卑y</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 11:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PerfectID/push?y=26" target="_blank">PerfectID</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣人都覺得偷了美國的晶片</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/godofdeath/push?y=26" target="_blank">godofdeath</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整天說拜登失智結果選出這咖也好不到哪去 笑爛</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 11:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsukuyomii/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsukuyomii</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老實說 台積電這麼有名 一部分是腦憨川幫忙推廣</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 11:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littleMad/push?y=26" target="_blank">littleMad</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可是現在關稅牌沒有了 呵</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 11:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david850914/push?y=26" target="_blank">david850914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Intc炒不下去跌爛</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 11:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c41231717/push?y=26" target="_blank">c41231717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先舒服一下吧</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 11:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c41231717/push?y=26" target="_blank">c41231717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先看蘋果公版 英特爾弄得怎麼樣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c41231717/push?y=26" target="_blank">c41231717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 畢竟晶片產業要不要回美國也是要看自己美國人爭不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c41231717/push?y=26" target="_blank">c41231717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爭氣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c41231717/push?y=26" target="_blank">c41231717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政府干預過頭會跟造船業一樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aa00788/push?y=26" target="_blank">aa00788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪每天開高殺最低 下週一跌停招待</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ezorttc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ezorttc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習近平有說可以買武器嗎</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 11:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haran/push?y=26" target="_blank">haran</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老戲碼 跌了繼續加倉</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 11:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/missin/push?y=26" target="_blank">missin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這表情QQ</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 11:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/howtolose666/push?y=26" target="_blank">howtolose666</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川狗卸任抓去關到s</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 11:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jing0607/push?y=26" target="_blank">jing0607</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說沒賣台瞎惹妮的貪狗眼，反正這裏很多狗，有貪狗</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 11:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jing0607/push?y=26" target="_blank">jing0607</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 撐盤狗什魔狗，還有一種就是自大狗，想要什狗自己</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jing0607/push?y=26" target="_blank">jing0607</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對號</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看隔壁科技版賣台的多開心討論美積寶寶</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 11:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AMDMARSHAL/push?y=26" target="_blank">AMDMARSHAL</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可憐 被看不起成這樣還舔</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 11:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶也看準台勞愛賣台的性格 看隔壁討論美積寶寶嘻</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 11:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/truelove356/push?y=26" target="_blank">truelove356</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/matlab1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">matlab1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外交部都不用出來駁斥?</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 11:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正不交武器啊</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 12:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 死老頭整天只會霸凌台積電</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 12:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kawasana1928/push?y=26" target="_blank">kawasana1928</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 二D天下無敵</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 12:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cage820518/push?y=26" target="_blank">cage820518</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以是大盜台積電嗎XD</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 13:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之後就是台灣工程師分紅越來越少，全拿去養美國人，</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 14:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DA3921999/push?y=26" target="_blank">DA3921999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一切預告在前，不要不信</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KISS1979/push?y=26" target="_blank">KISS1979</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Tea Taliwan!</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 14:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eemail/push?y=26" target="_blank">eemail</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 政治腦的真多</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 14:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneyear/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneyear</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣整天被誣蔑偷晶片，結果還不敢出來澄清，真是可</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 14:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneyear/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneyear</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 悲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lulalachan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lulalachan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看「造山者」就知道台灣從美國取經後為什麼會贏啊</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 15:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lulalachan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lulalachan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 。台灣工程師是24小時on call，美國工程師要吃完早</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lulalachan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lulalachan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 餐喝咖啡後才上工。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z70126/push?y=26" target="_blank">z70126</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要賣垃圾給我，舉雙手贊成</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 17:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ReiFan/push?y=26" target="_blank">ReiFan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放心 台積電會活得很好 台灣則否</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wrbdnombd/push?y=26" target="_blank">wrbdnombd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對啊偷了又怎樣 來抓啊低能兒</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 18:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roy12345/push?y=26" target="_blank">roy12345</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣太軟 好吃</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 20:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DouglasT/push?y=26" target="_blank">DouglasT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你川普是不是have no card?</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 21:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imba789/push?y=26" target="_blank">imba789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美吹會無視</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/17 00:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/southes/push?y=26" target="_blank">southes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來很在意晶片</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/17 01:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/southes/push?y=26" target="_blank">southes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要一直講到卸任？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wadeguys/push?y=26" target="_blank">wadeguys</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 相關單位不用出來駁斥？還是連個屁都不敢放</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/17 08:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/skery3188/push?y=26" target="_blank">skery3188</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 經濟部和國發會投資美國2千E換空氣</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/17 10:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chennylee809/push?y=26" target="_blank">chennylee809</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前面要求國防預算10%GDP 現在又當籌碼愛賣不賣</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/17 20:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chennylee809/push?y=26" target="_blank">chennylee809</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比拜登還失智</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> yokann. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3W3 2026-05-16T08:23:48+08:00 2026-05-17T10:24:46+08:00

原文標題： 樺漢法說會／首季三大因素侵蝕 EPS 1.7元 董座：第2季獲利能力將上升 原文連結： https://money.udn.com/money/story/5612/9505130 樺漢法說會／首季三大因素侵蝕 EPS 1.7元 董座：第2季獲利能力將上升 | 產業熱點 | 產業 | 經濟日報 工業電腦大廠樺漢（6414）15日舉行法說會，針對今年首季營運表現不如預期，樺漢董事長朱復銓坦言，公司成長不可能每分每秒都很順遂，第1季主要受到三大因素影響利潤，共計侵蝕每股純益約達1.7元，但在低谷後，預期第2季營運將強勁反彈，展望後市，樺漢在手訂單持續上升、已達2,150億元，朱復銓強調，樺漢今 ... 發布時間： 2026/05/15 15:27:34 記者署名： 記者吳凱中／台北即時報導 原文內容： 工業電腦大廠樺漢（6414）15日舉行法說會，針對今年首季營運表現不如預期，樺漢董事 長朱復銓坦言，公司成長不可能每分每秒都很順遂，第1季主要受到三大因素影響利潤， 共計侵蝕每股純益約達1.7元，但在低谷後，預期第2季營運將強勁反彈，展望後市，樺漢 在手訂單持續上升、已達2, ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> yokann (有什麼是越大越好)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 樺漢法說會／首季三大因素侵蝕 EPS 1.7<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 08:23:48 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> 樺漢法說會／首季三大因素侵蝕 EPS 1.7元 董座：第2季獲利能力將上升 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <a href="https://money.udn.com/money/story/5612/9505130" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://money.udn.com/money/story/5612/9505130</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://money.udn.com/money/story/5612/9505130" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>樺漢法說會／首季三大因素侵蝕 EPS 1.7元 董座：第2季獲利能力將上升 | 產業熱點 | 產業 | 經濟日報</strong></a> 工業電腦大廠樺漢（6414）15日舉行法說會，針對今年首季營運表現不如預期，樺漢董事長朱復銓坦言，公司成長不可能每分每秒都很順遂，第1季主要受到三大因素影響利潤，共計侵蝕每股純益約達1.7元，但在低谷後，預期第2季營運將強勁反彈，展望後市，樺漢在手訂單持續上升、已達2,150億元，朱復銓強調，樺漢今 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> 2026/05/15 15:27:34 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 記者吳凱中／台北即時報導 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">工業電腦大廠樺漢（6414）15日舉行法說會，針對今年首季營運表現不如預期，樺漢董事 長朱復銓坦言，公司成長不可能每分每秒都很順遂，第1季主要受到三大因素影響利潤， 共計侵蝕每股純益約達1.7元，但在低谷後，預期第2季營運將強勁反彈，展望後市，樺漢 在手訂單持續上升、已達2,150億元，朱復銓強調，樺漢今年上半年不論營收、毛利與淨 利皆會呈現穩定成長，「第2季獲利能力將大幅大幅上升，今年上半年會展現很好成果。 」</div> <div class="combine-lines">樺漢今年首季營收371.13億元，季減6.07%、年增7.68%；毛利率20.11%，季減0.52個百分 點、年減1.41個百分點；營益率5.37%，季減2.55個百分點、年增0.96個百分點；<span class="fgW1 bgG">稅後純</span> <span class="fgW1 bgG">益7.52億元，季減13.56%、年減9.07%，每股純益達5.15元。</span></div> 受到首季獲利不如預期影響，導致樺漢15日股價開低走低，盤中打入跌停板，終場收在 319.5元，下跌35.5元。 對此，朱復銓坦言， 公司成長不可能每分每秒都很順遂，樺漢15日股價跌停板，市場反 應強烈了點，但或許也是不錯買點。 針對獲利衰退，朱復銓分析，主要受到三大因素影響，首先在智慧軟體與方案方面，受到 歐洲遞延訂單影響，高毛利業務營收貢獻下降，但預期第2季業績貢獻可回升。 <div class="combine-lines">其次，在工業物聯網部分，朱復銓指出，記憶體、處理器與儲存等零組件價格持續上漲， 樺漢雖然有跟客戶反映成本上升，但客戶反應還沒這麼快，首季尚未能顯現漲價效益，但 第2季起毛利率預期將逐季穩定回升。</div> 第三、則是德國子公司太陽能事業，主要是因其組織重整與業務整併，減少600名員工， 造成相關費用產生；三大不利因素侵蝕樺漢第1季每股純益約達1.7元。 <div class="combine-lines">展望後市，樺漢在手訂單持續上升，目前已達2,150億元，朱復銓預估，樺漢今年上半年 不論營收、毛利與淨利皆會呈現穩定成長，三大業務工業物聯網、智慧軟體與方案及智慧 工廠與廠務都會成長，在此情況下，「第2季獲利能力將大幅大幅上升，今年上半年會展 現很好成果。」</div> <div class="combine-lines">2026全年來看，樺漢預計今年營收、毛利與淨利皆穩定成長，上下半年營收比重約45:55 ，下半年營運將優於上半年；從業務來看，工業物聯網將高成長，智慧軟體與方案穩定成 長，智慧工廠與廠務高成長。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 這檔蠻慘的,昨天那一根直接把前面的多頭走勢打趴了. 最大因素就是Q1居然只有5.15 普遍預測都是能達到6元以上, 雖然它已經是鴻家軍獲利穩定的了.周一會再一根嗎? <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.226.219.121 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: yokann 2026-05-16 08:23:48</span> <span 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style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zuvio/push?y=26" target="_blank">zuvio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟廣達一樣原料漲價才讓營收變多，但獲利縮水</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/16 09:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ultima0119/push?y=26" target="_blank">ultima0119</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這支主力是新手，怕東怕西不敢利用多頭氣勢拉升股</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 09:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ultima0119/push?y=26" target="_blank">ultima0119</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 價</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zuvio/push?y=26" target="_blank">zuvio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: RAM跟SSD都漲翻了，伺服器售價提高讓營收看起來變多</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 09:32</span> <span 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現在只算3月通膨就少賺成這樣，456算進去會超慘</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 10:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okbon/push?y=26" target="_blank">okbon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做工業下游的都不會太好過</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 10:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pppopp/push?y=26" target="_blank">pppopp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股性超爛</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 10:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david520b/push?y=26" target="_blank">david520b</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 居然有300以上</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 10:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/daniel6412/push?y=26" 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style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NEX4036/push?y=26" target="_blank">NEX4036</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公集團的 股性都不怎麼樣</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 12:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budaixi/push?y=26" target="_blank">budaixi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很多都是看研華買進的吧</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 14:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highken/push?y=26" target="_blank">highken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要買 就是買研華 龍頭</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 15:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GABA/push?y=26" target="_blank">GABA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 白話:都是環境不好</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j68345517/push?y=26" target="_blank">j68345517</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/17 00:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GoGoRoll/push?y=26" target="_blank">GoGoRoll</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 研華兒子艾訊不錯</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/17 09:05</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> light1023. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Vb 2026-05-15T23:44:20+08:00 2026-05-16T23:24:57+08:00

114年4月 115年累積EPS如下 【4月單月EPS】 排名與累積 5/15股價 ------------------------------------------------------ 1.富邦金 5.15元 2.78元 1. 3.31元 96.10 2.國泰金 3.12元 0.97元 2. 2.28元 77.90 3.元大金 1.64元 0.56元 6. 0.69元 54.80 4.中信金 1.46元 0.28元 3. 1.16元 54.80 5.台新金 1.12元 0.30元 11. 0.41元 23.80 6.永豐金 1.09元 0.34元 4. 0.71元 30.20 7.凱基金 1.04元 0.35元 9. 0.55元 21.85 8.兆豐金 0.96元 0.33元 6. 0.69元 39.40 9.玉山金 0.88元 0.26元 4. 0.7 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> light1023 (光)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [情報] 115年【4月份金控股】EPS排名(全已公布)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 23:44:20 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#F000F0"> 114年4月</span></div> <span style="color:#F000F0">115年累積EPS如下 【4月單月EPS】 排名與累積 5/15股價</span> <span style="color:#F000F0">------------------------------------------------------</span> <div class="ansi_group" data-img="/img/ansi/8/8ff1cce389.png" data-width="510" data-height="100"><div class="ansi"><span style="color:#F0F000"> 1.富邦金 5.15元 2.78元 1. 3.31元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">96.10</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#F0F000"> 2.國泰金 3.12元 0.97元 2. 2.28元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">77.90</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#F0F000"> 3.元大金 1.64元 0.56元 6. 0.69元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">54.80</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#F0F000"> 4.中信金 1.46元 0.28元 3. 1.16元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">54.80</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#F0F000"> 5.台新金 1.12元 0.30元 11. 0.41元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">23.80</span></div> </div> <div class="ansi_group" data-img="/img/ansi/0/0e2d43a389.png" data-width="510" data-height="100"><div class="ansi"><span style="color:#00F000"> 6.永豐金 1.09元 0.34元 4. 0.71元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">30.20</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#00F000"> 7.凱基金 1.04元 0.35元 9. 0.55元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">21.85</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#00F000"> 8.兆豐金 0.96元 0.33元 6. 0.69元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">39.40</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#00F000"> 9.玉山金 0.88元 0.26元 4. 0.71元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">31.95</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#00F000"> 10.華南金 0.80元 0.25元 10. 0.50元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">32.40</span></div> </div> <div class="ansi_group" data-img="" data-width="0" data-height="0"><div class="ansi"><span style="color:#008080"> 11.第一金 0.79元 0.22元 8. 0.66元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">29.30</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#008080"> 12.合庫金 0.51元 0.15元 11. 0.41元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">22.85</span></div> <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#008080"> 13.國票金 0.39元 0.14元 13. 0.06元 </span><span style="color:#FFF">14.55</span></div> </div> <span style="color:#F000F0">------------------------------------------------------</span> 新增完成填權息：無 總結完成填權息：華南金、富邦金、國泰金、凱基金、玉山金、元大金、 兆豐金、台新金、國票金、永豐金、中信金 4月獲利各家看起來都增加了不少 壽險與證券金控看起來都有受惠台股4月大爆漲 <div class="combine-lines">接下來要進入股東會旺季了 股利政策也公布的許多 可觀察各家金控的股東會是否有釋出什麼未來展望 今年可預期獲利都不錯 也可期待明年的股利發放 金融市場持續關注台股與美股接下來的動向</div> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.171.77.175 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: light1023 2026-05-15 23:44:20</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778859863.A.863.html" target="_blank">#1g1pzNXZ (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778859863.A.863.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778859863.A.863.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BIGBIGFISH/push?y=26" target="_blank">BIGBIGFISH</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宇宙邦</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 23:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span 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06:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ginobili086/push?y=26" target="_blank">ginobili086</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想看台中銀會被殺到幾塊錢</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/16 07:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vicsunn/push?y=26" target="_blank">vicsunn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金控普遍委屈</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 07:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jkokpcu/push?y=26" target="_blank">jkokpcu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有ai嗎？委屈什麼？</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/16 07:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Athanasius/push?y=26" target="_blank">Athanasius</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 永豐不委屈了 台新 凱基 委屈了</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 07:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/horse2819/push?y=26" target="_blank">horse2819</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宇宙邦到底怎麼賺的</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 07:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/saladbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">saladbread</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2887也進入前段班了</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 08:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AryaStark/push?y=26" target="_blank">AryaStark</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台新金這個獲利，股價還在低檔</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 08:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/holyseraph/push?y=26" target="_blank">holyseraph</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好懷念有西瓜金可以大酸特酸的日子，美好時代已過</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 08:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abcnelson654/push?y=26" target="_blank">abcnelson654</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 富邦跟鬼一樣</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 08:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/empirica/push?y=26" target="_blank">empirica</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 凱基看來有便宜到</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 08:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SakeruMT/push?y=26" target="_blank">SakeruMT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以問了</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 08:59</span></div> <div 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class="push-right">35F 05/16 10:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 元大委屈了</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/16 10:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiversonx17/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiversonx17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台新有點猛</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/16 12:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LWW41723/push?y=26" target="_blank">LWW41723</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 凱基考證券的，慘的時候慘</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 12:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/M3333151/push?y=26" target="_blank">M3333151</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 富邦什麼時候才要上100？</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 13:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PaulPoPan/push?y=26" target="_blank">PaulPoPan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台新西瓜委屈了</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 14:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 元大不是3字頭俱樂部嗎…什麼時候變50幾塊了</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 14:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iinstan/push?y=26" target="_blank">iinstan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2883巨委屈</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/16 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FireSunFire/push?y=26" target="_blank">FireSunFire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有跌多 繼續分批買 富邦金 國泰金！</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/16 19:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xxkuo/push?y=26" target="_blank">xxkuo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 凱基至少也要25以上啦</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/16 21:20</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> yipi1357. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3V4 2026-05-16T00:10:19+08:00 2026-05-17T17:51:29+08:00

原文標題： 請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除 債市給的下馬威？美債殖利率全線飆升 華許上任首日降息選項恐遭封殺 原文連結： 網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分。 https://news.cnyes.com/news/id/6459285 債市給的下馬威？美債殖利率全線飆升 華許上任首日降息選項恐遭封殺 | 鉅亨網 - 美股雷達 發布時間： 請勿張貼超過3天新聞 2026-05-15 12:40 記者署名： 鉅亨網編譯余曉惠 原文內容： 美國聯準會 (Fed) 新任主席華許 (Kevin Warsh) 雖已獲參議院確認提名，但債券市場顯 然不打算給這位新掌門人留有太多緩衝空間。規模約 30 兆美元的美國公債市場近期殖利 率持續走高，帶動借貸成本上升並使金融情勢收緊。 Wisdom 固定收益管理公司投資組合經理 Vincent Ahn 說：「華許原本希望在上任首日保 留降息選項，但債市已經先發制人，把這個選項從談判桌上拿掉了。」 利率全線噴發 30 年期美債殖利率本周突破 5% 大關，指標性的 10 年期殖利率逼近 4.5%，對政策高度 敏感 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> yipi1357 ()<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 債市給的下馬威？美債殖利率全線飆升 華<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Sat May 16 00:10:19 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 債市給的下馬威？美債殖利率全線飆升 華許上任首日降息選項恐遭封殺 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://news.cnyes.com/news/id/6459285" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://news.cnyes.com/news/id/6459285</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://news.cnyes.com/news/id/6459285" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>債市給的下馬威？美債殖利率全線飆升 華許上任首日降息選項恐遭封殺 | 鉅亨網 - 美股雷達</strong></a></div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026-05-15 12:40 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 鉅亨網編譯余曉惠 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">美國聯準會 (Fed) 新任主席華許 (Kevin Warsh) 雖已獲參議院確認提名，但債券市場顯 然不打算給這位新掌門人留有太多緩衝空間。規模約 30 兆美元的美國公債市場近期殖利 率持續走高，帶動借貸成本上升並使金融情勢收緊。</div> Wisdom 固定收益管理公司投資組合經理 Vincent Ahn 說：「華許原本希望在上任首日保 留降息選項，但債市已經先發制人，把這個選項從談判桌上拿掉了。」 利率全線噴發 30 年期美債殖利率本周突破 5% 大關，指標性的 10 年期殖利率逼近 4.5%，對政策高度 敏感的 2 年期殖利率則觸及 4%。 值得注意的是，2 年期殖利率目前已高於 Fed 利率目標區間 3.7% 的上限，這在歷史上 極為罕見。 <div class="combine-lines">Ahn 將此現象形容為「現代債券義勇軍」(Bond vigilante)，他們並非透過單次殖利率飆 升來摧毀 Fed 公信力，而是藉由將整條殖利率曲線拉升至政策區間上方，來剝奪 Fed 的 決策彈性」。</div> 歷史上的新手考驗 回顧歷史，歷任 Fed 主席上任初期常面臨市場測試。伯恩斯 (Arthur Burns) 於 1970 年就職時正逢經濟衰退，伏克爾 (Paul Volcker) 啟動激進升息引發衰退，葛林斯潘 (Alan Greenspan) 則遭遇 1987 年黑色星期一崩盤。 <div class="combine-lines">華許接替鮑爾的此時，美股雖處於歷史高點——道瓊指數周四重返 50000 點、標普 500 指數攀上 7500 點——但通膨陰影卻揮之不去。雖然鮑爾將留任 Fed 理事一段時間，或 至少等到司法部針對建築裝修案的調查結束，但市場焦點已全然轉向華許。</div> 通膨與戰爭雙重夾擊 <div class="combine-lines">受伊朗戰爭影響，美國汽油價格已突破每加侖 4.5 美元，加州部分地區甚至超過 6.5 美 元。本周公布的 4 月消費者物價指數 (CPI) 逼近 4%，與 Fed 設定的 2% 目標漸行漸遠 。</div> Touchstone Investments 固定收益策略師 Erik Aarts 表示，高油價正侵蝕民眾購買力 ，Fed 升息的門檻正在降低。 芝商所 (CME)FedWatch 工具顯示，截至周四，市場預期 Fed 在 12 月初前「升息」的機 率已逼近 40%，維持利率不變的機率約 60%，而降息機率僅不到 2%。 但另一方面，儘管通膨壓力沉重，Fed 仍需權衡 4 月失業率維持在 4.3% 低點的勞動力 市場。 <div class="combine-lines">Wellington 管理公司投資組合經理 Brij Khurana 指出，除了能源價格大漲，目前還需 擔心 AI 取代白領工作的問題，「隨著伊朗戰爭持續，對經濟成長的衝擊最終可能比通膨 更令決策官員頭痛。」</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> PPI物價大幅增加 是CPI的前端指標 通膨再起 20年債券殖利率突破5% 今晚來到5.13% 原油價格持續走高 100以上已成常態 通膨 債券殖利率 油價 三大利空夾擊 美股高點要回測了嗎? <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 61.228.240.30 (臺灣)</span> <span 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00:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在經濟已經很緊繃 感覺升息真的會衰退 但不升息通</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/16 00:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 膨又很嚴重 是真的一上台就來一個大難題</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xephon/push?y=26" target="_blank">xephon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 債蛙墳上的草已經這麼高了</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/16 00:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上任大概又要崩一波了</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/16 00:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FatFatQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">FatFatQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/T4ox3nh9.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/T4ox3nh9.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">7F 05/16 00:14</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/T4ox3nh9.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="799" data-ori_h="621" style="width:799px;height:621px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_T4ox3nh9.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ss425727100/push?y=26" target="_blank">ss425727100</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三不五時就被害妄想症要升息 今年吵幾次了</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/16 00:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在崩這個喔 這次要回測3萬了嗎</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/16 00:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 數據一直在創高 華爾街管你升不升照樣崩給你看</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/16 00:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/raku/push?y=26" target="_blank">raku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都要討論是否升息了還想降阿</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/16 00:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所有的數據大概只剩被AI搞到失業增加站在降息那一邊</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/16 00:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Luwan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Luwan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是不是一堆山頂套蛙很怕?</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/16 00:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升息對能源通膨沒什麼用，應該是延後降息而已不可能</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/16 00:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升，除非川普瘋狂灑錢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恰好相反 不管數據多差 股市照樣噴上天創新高</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/16 00:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/daniel6412/push?y=26" target="_blank">daniel6412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 兩年期殖利率真的太高了</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/16 00:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能源通膨就是升息升到經濟爛掉</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/16 00:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 需求大減 就會降下來了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以前就是這樣搞了 但是現在不太可能這樣搞了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債總額跟以前不是一個量級的 狂升息美債先倒</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不管是否升息，美債殖利率都會往上飆，現在進行式</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/16 00:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升息影響的是短天期債券，長天期債券還是看信用</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asjh612/push?y=26" target="_blank">asjh612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 22年也是能源型通膨吧 FED也只能捏著升息</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/16 00:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bcismylove/push?y=26" target="_blank">bcismylove</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 油升股升 利率升股市一樣升!</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 00:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asjh612/push?y=26" target="_blank">asjh612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能源外溢到其他商品也跟著通膨就勢必要升息</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/16 00:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DAEVA/push?y=26" target="_blank">DAEVA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 壽險股有福了！</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 00:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asjh612/push?y=26" target="_blank">asjh612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: FED 可以只看core CPI/PCE 但連核心都上去就沒救</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 00:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Torres1211/push?y=26" target="_blank">Torres1211</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股市只會噴而已好嗎，近幾年什麼時後看過股市理過</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/16 00:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Torres1211/push?y=26" target="_blank">Torres1211</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 債市</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tora12345/push?y=26" target="_blank">tora12345</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 債蛙可以先複習一下 升息1%美債會跌多少</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 00:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dannyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">dannyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 隔夜拆借利率也在飆 越來越難借錢</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 00:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/searchroy/push?y=26" target="_blank">searchroy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一定用獨立性當擋箭牌，裝死。</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 00:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dickey2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dickey2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習大大不買點債嗎</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 00:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 唉..文中和部分推文都講的很清楚了 還一堆人在那債</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/16 01:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蛙哭了 == 這波能玩的是停技術性qe甚至是qt 而這會</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衝擊債 這沒錯 但衝擊大的是短債 長債本身已因信用</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 價值被壓在地上摩擦很久了 但短債不同 技術性QE和</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 降息等策略都直接影響短債 換句話說 長債本質跌無可</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌（要再跌要信用價值更低） 而短債會直接受利率調</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 整和停技術性qe甚至是qt影響更大 那看起來還是債蛙</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哭哭？ 短債利息爆噴會直接影響企業資金收集 而資</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金成本爆增甚至收集不易會造成擴大市場的投資受影響</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 換句話說 接下來什麼都不做那就算了 如果真做了qt</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這方向的事 債市了不起倒掛 短債投資人躺著等到期就</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好 但股市就有趣了 燃料斷供會發生什麼事？ 別忘了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中東仔還一堆油收入打折的==</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 補充 這邊說的信用價值是指美元</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a94037501/push?y=26" target="_blank">a94037501</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美元2008後就流動性過剩了縮表是可行的</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 01:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: QT是死路一條，到時長債沒人買就GG了</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/16 01:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 殖利率升高相對就是沒人買了</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/16 01:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a94037501/push?y=26" target="_blank">a94037501</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國的看法是縮表消泡沫不太會影響實體經濟</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 01:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拉高利率其實很可怕 這樣企業借貸成本大升</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 01:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且現在ai瘋狂借貸金額太大了 只要實體經濟</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 垮了 那些科技公司只要倒一家 那都很可怕</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 與其靠升息 不如趕快叫川普去解決伊朗問題</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a94037501/push?y=26" target="_blank">a94037501</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他們之前說要降息縮表吧科技公司不太會借不到錢會</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 01:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a94037501/push?y=26" target="_blank">a94037501</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先死小企業</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 流動性的問題不在於美國，在於各國要買美元結算的</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/16 01:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原物料</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 像日本，因為油氣上漲變成貿易入超時，就必須要籌</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美元來結帳，所以主要措施就兩種，一種是賣美債，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 另一個讓對美匯率升值</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 支持美債的道理是什麼？</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 01:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 帳面虧損但能領到利息覺得安心？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那這樣可以</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但前提是你不要看著別人爆賺股票的時候出現剝奪感</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hbk4ever/push?y=26" target="_blank">hbk4ever</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 製造生化危機複製2020美債一下就解了還能無限降息</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 01:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/laba5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">laba5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想看大趴踢 川寶一頓亂搞好耶</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 02:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nfsong/push?y=26" target="_blank">nfsong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 通膨再起</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 02:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不懂川普想要降息 但是做出一堆無法降息的事情...</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 02:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他想要的是 一切 當總統就是要贏!</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 02:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/angratime/push?y=26" target="_blank">angratime</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: @@</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 02:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaron68032/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaron68032</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再來無限QE就ok啦</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 02:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Brioni/push?y=26" target="_blank">Brioni</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國今年債息好像會破1.3兆美元@@</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 02:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/erenrush/push?y=26" target="_blank">erenrush</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當前之急還是先讓油價降下來吧==維持在100上下會越</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 02:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/erenrush/push?y=26" target="_blank">erenrush</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來越恐怖喔</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雖然股價對油價鈍化已久，但高油價環境累積的通膨</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 02:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會造成長期衰退的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/erenrush/push?y=26" target="_blank">erenrush</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再多維持兩個月的高油價 通膨真的會直接炸上去</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 02:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高油價=高通膨是必然的</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 03:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後你覺得這樣要降息推升通膨？還是升息降通膨？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/harpuia/push?y=26" target="_blank">harpuia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債突破壓力點了，華爾街真是超故意</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 03:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華西街大部分是挺民主黨吧 故意給川普難看的</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 03:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/northsoft/push?y=26" target="_blank">northsoft</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看不懂，這樣不是更有理由降息嗎？</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 04:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tedcat/push?y=26" target="_blank">tedcat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 滯脹</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 04:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aewul/push?y=26" target="_blank">aewul</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 史上最大泡泡即將破滅！快跑吧</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 04:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多10YY空30YY就好惹，了不起再加空日圓</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 04:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比起做多油，債市穩定好賺</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aewul/push?y=26" target="_blank">aewul</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股價被炒過頭，金融海嘯前夕</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 04:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/al311166/push?y=26" target="_blank">al311166</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我看美國直接宣布伊朗可以有核武然後道歉賠錢 整件</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 05:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/al311166/push?y=26" target="_blank">al311166</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 事會比較快解決</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a12838910/push?y=26" target="_blank">a12838910</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只有朗子跪啦 米國不可能跪的</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/16 05:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你可以降息啊，但市場不買單你的利率自然會反應在</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 05:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債上，到時聯邦利率跟標售國債的利率只會越差越</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大，有種就不要發長債，現在說不排除升息反而可以</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讓美債市場安心，殖利率反而會下跌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kunyi/push?y=26" target="_blank">kunyi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Google 正在各國大肆發債要錢 成本要被墊高了</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 05:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普不搞關稅不打伊朗，現在早就沒通膨了</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 06:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nineflower/push?y=26" target="_blank">nineflower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 降息啦 我要看大場面</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 06:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mecca/push?y=26" target="_blank">mecca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以這個人到底在忙甚麼??QQ</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 06:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公式改一下就好</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 06:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/harpuia/push?y=26" target="_blank">harpuia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說穿了華爾街也在搞事啊</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 06:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ck326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ck326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 債市通常比股市更早反應事實，嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 06:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s881720/push?y=26" target="_blank">s881720</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沃許要改通膨指標 改完說不定就沒通膨了 嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 06:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faultless/push?y=26" target="_blank">faultless</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 937終於又能繼續加碼了</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 06:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaa80563/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaa80563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債送分題</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 06:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FireStarman/push?y=26" target="_blank">FireStarman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蠢空出現 嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 06:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lucky466/push?y=26" target="_blank">lucky466</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房版債蛙開心</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 06:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qwaszx0101/push?y=26" target="_blank">qwaszx0101</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來現在是現金最保本了</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 07:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fajita/push?y=26" target="_blank">fajita</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債送命題，日本賠錢也在拋長債</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 07:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tonyparker18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tonyparker18</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要先賣一趟了嗎</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 07:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ookimoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ookimoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就算今年緊急降息 10%的長債還是必然到來</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 07:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ookimoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ookimoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在10%之前股市就崩潰了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ookimoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ookimoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後各國政府借不到錢最後就是債務重組轉貨幣重組</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 降息只能影響短期利率，甚至現在可能影響還會降低</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 07:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，連短債利率都開始上來了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國債標售都是用市場利率參考去競標的，降息市場不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買單標售出去的利率一樣高，降息個寂寞</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bpq302302/push?y=26" target="_blank">bpq302302</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要他的息，他要你的命</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 07:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/daniel6412/push?y=26" target="_blank">daniel6412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 日本拋售長債是不得已的壓力</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 07:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/daniel6412/push?y=26" target="_blank">daniel6412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外匯體量太大必定要出手干預就需要錢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/denny2000/push?y=26" target="_blank">denny2000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 6%準備要來了，股市會跟著漲唷</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 07:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國國債就是龐氏騙局</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 07:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老鼠會+1</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 07:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim80227/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim80227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再升上去一堆企業債務要被引爆了</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 07:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chinaeatshit/push?y=26" target="_blank">chinaeatshit</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不降息就是下台而已啦 小事 我川就不能當聯準會</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 08:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chinaeatshit/push?y=26" target="_blank">chinaeatshit</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主席嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這局面再降息會很刺激哦…</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 08:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FireStarman/push?y=26" target="_blank">FireStarman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蠢空開始大聲</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 08:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lucky466/push?y=26" target="_blank">lucky466</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債是垃圾，完全沒有避險</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 08:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WusoAiwen/push?y=26" target="_blank">WusoAiwen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在美債已經再反應升息了，就算升息對美債影響已</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 08:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WusoAiwen/push?y=26" target="_blank">WusoAiwen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 經不大了了，反而是借錢擴張的企業要擔心了！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karcher/push?y=26" target="_blank">karcher</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 債蛙: 套著配好舒服。</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 08:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買債就好 誰還跟你炒股</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 08:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 債殖利率越高 股市越爛</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lucky466/push?y=26" target="_blank">lucky466</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上講反了吧！</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 08:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karcher/push?y=26" target="_blank">karcher</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債利率不夠高，股市還是噴給你看</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 08:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/daniel6412/push?y=26" target="_blank">daniel6412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是這幾年避險功用有點喪失但等下個真正空頭才能見真</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 08:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/daniel6412/push?y=26" target="_blank">daniel6412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 章，而不是2022那種只走一年的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不就停戰就解決了嗎</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 08:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/calqlus/push?y=26" target="_blank">calqlus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債已經......不純潔了........</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 08:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aimgel/push?y=26" target="_blank">aimgel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有種就升息啊 笑你不敢</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 08:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lucky466/push?y=26" target="_blank">lucky466</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 房貸質押債蛙可能又要哭暈</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 08:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faust218243/push?y=26" target="_blank">faust218243</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 依照現代反邏輯搞不好利率升價格也升</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 08:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faust218243/push?y=26" target="_blank">faust218243</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恐慌性拋壓就有可能利率價格雙漲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老川選他上來就是要來壓美債利息的 後續有好戲看了</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 08:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sova0809/push?y=26" target="_blank">sova0809</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正老鮑也被逼到來當背後靈 就看接下來怎麼發展吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faust218243/push?y=26" target="_blank">faust218243</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以前也認為利率升股跌早就打破規則了</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 08:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faust218243/push?y=26" target="_blank">faust218243</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在股票這種漲勢明顯也在泡沫明年必有大事件</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beavis77/push?y=26" target="_blank">beavis77</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不像新冠QE後只能強升息解決 很明顯這次是油價</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 08:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faust218243/push?y=26" target="_blank">faust218243</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 炒金在炒油後炒債不要不信</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 08:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeteess/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeteess</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想升息的 先想想自己是不是在中小上班 嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/16 08:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeteess/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeteess</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 經濟過熱升息才有用</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場已經表態美債值得更高的投報率，想要壓低標脫</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 08:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的殖利率沒這麼簡單</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在是過熱沒錯呀，熱錢多到一個不可思議</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不升息沒關係，市場就會幫你升息，借貸利率是參</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/16 08:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 考市場利率而非只有聯邦利率好嗎，所以你不升息，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場上的借貸利率還是會上漲，當鴕鳥也沒用</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wheat1130/push?y=26" target="_blank">wheat1130</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拆拆：送分題</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 08:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最近30年期美國公債標售利率是5.046%，市場上要借</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/16 08:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到的利率就是比這個更高</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你可以現在降息到0%，但美長債利率就是要5%才有人</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在降息就是把FED公信力丟掉而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Athanasius/push?y=26" target="_blank">Athanasius</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拜託升到6~7% 買起來</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 08:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正美債已經越來越沒公信力，降息好歹可以刺激股市</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 08:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ookimoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ookimoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普底下的美國政府丟面子哪有差? 不是早就沒了</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/16 08:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當一個總統沒有能力治理好國家時，至少還有股市榮景</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 08:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以說嘴..我沒說哪一國喔~不要激動</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請問降息怎麼刺激經濟，當你的利率市場已經不理會</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/16 08:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 時就沒有刺激經濟效果</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在降息，市場會幫你升回去，怎麼刺激經濟</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以要看懂川皇在幹麼，他現在很明顯要控制油價，</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/16 08:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第一步就是先把握住那些原油供貨來源</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借貸成本還是很高啊</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/16 08:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之後貨幣政策不管怎麼變，只要確保國內買的比他國</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 08:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 便宜，那就是死道友不是貧道，自己還可以說嘴可防</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可控</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國那些奸商可不會因為他產油成本不高就降價的，</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 09:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然現在美國怎麼可能油價高漲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用問降息能不能刺激經濟，就看這半年來川普想要</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 09:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 降息還是升息</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場原油那麼貴美國廠商幹嘛便宜賣，又不是傻子</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 09:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你有看過哪一本教科書教你 升息才能刺激經濟嗎</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 09:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普做的行為都是想升息，關稅戰戰爭哪個不會造成</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 09:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 通膨？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是降價，是我自己漲30%，別國漲50~100%，那我還</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 09:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是便宜啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben108472/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben108472</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問題是美國大量商品是外國製的</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 09:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 掌握住原油後，還可以藉著賣他國的收入補一點回來</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/16 09:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，典型的商人思維</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/koibido/push?y=26" target="_blank">koibido</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華爾街每次都會給新來的人一次下馬威</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/16 09:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以他這禮拜跑去中國啦…是說民生用的只怕自己國</span><span class="push-right">195F 05/16 09:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 民沒錢消費</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞ai這點真的太傷害受薪階級</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knowing/push?y=26" target="_blank">knowing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債垃圾 一直破底</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/16 09:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ab4daa/push?y=26" target="_blank">ab4daa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99TLT</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/16 09:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knowing/push?y=26" target="_blank">knowing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 領息股價就扣掉了 領息幹麼</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/16 09:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knowing/push?y=26" target="_blank">knowing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一直崩崩崩</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alongalone/push?y=26" target="_blank">alongalone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直債越來越可買了(?)</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/16 09:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/baka1412/push?y=26" target="_blank">baka1412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/L6yhf69" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/L6yhf69.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">203F 05/16 09:17</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="644" style="width:1024px;height:644px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/L6yhf69h.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UmeMao/push?y=26" target="_blank">UmeMao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 舉例睜眼說瞎話，AI亂寫，潤稿人都沒看出來</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/16 09:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waylank1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">waylank1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結果殖利率一直上去，但價格一直沒有辦法上去</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/16 09:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華爾街根本有病</span><span class="push-right">206F 05/16 09:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/speady/push?y=26" target="_blank">speady</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 20年美債跟垃圾一樣</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/16 09:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lucky466/push?y=26" target="_blank">lucky466</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 殖利率跟價格就說反比，怎麼不去做功課</span><span class="push-right">208F 05/16 09:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ray2501/push?y=26" target="_blank">ray2501</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後就升息了 結局如果是這樣一定很有趣</span><span class="push-right">209F 05/16 10:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普要是真的想升息，那鮑爾是被他罵假的喔..</span><span class="push-right">210F 05/16 10:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QooSnow/push?y=26" target="_blank">QooSnow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: @丟掉米債，舒服自在，嘻嘻。</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/16 10:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smalmal/push?y=26" target="_blank">smalmal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錢能隨便印股票隨便印這種玩法本身就是種邪魔歪道</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/16 10:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smalmal/push?y=26" target="_blank">smalmal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾十年前美國有貿易順差時 把別人當勞力 現在財政</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smalmal/push?y=26" target="_blank">smalmal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貿易逆差就印錢 不想當勞力還錢</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再怎麼樣也是沒辦法降息而已 現在升降息都是大鬼故</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/16 10:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在是美國發現不能繼續印錢了，所以用搶劫勒索</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/16 10:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就很像是卡奴發現他如果繼續再以債養債，利率會高</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 事了吧 怎麼做感覺都有可能引發一連串粽子爆炸</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/16 10:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到根本還不完，所以開始走歪路去搶劫勒索他人</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/16 10:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下一季美債就要突破40兆了...嘻嘻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span 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15:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/highken/push?y=26" target="_blank">highken</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 若成升息 川普買的一堆債卷會虧死</span><span class="push-right">233F 05/16 15:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還好台灣cpi僅僅只有1.45%，物價大漲 卻完全沒有通</span><span class="push-right">234F 05/16 15:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kkchen/push?y=26" target="_blank">kkchen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 膨。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SDKSDKSDK/push?y=26" target="_blank">SDKSDKSDK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 奇怪，開數據的兩天跌不下去，第三天突然越想越不</span><span 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標的：四大正二相關 績效比較 分類：心得 分析/正文： 一.績效比較 先說說 [大盤] vs [0050]， 以長期來說，0050贏大盤不少。 再說說國內的 4檔正二， 元大(00631L)，是追蹤 [50指數的2倍]， 其他 3檔正二，則是追蹤 [大盤的2倍] 我整理了比較表(2026/5/15)， 卻發現事情似乎不是我想像的這樣？ 當 [績效週期]：近一年、近兩年、近三年、近五年 0050 大勝 大盤時， 元大正二(加上複利偏移)，並沒有大勝其他家的正二？ https://i.imgur.com/HMDtlpp.jpeg 追蹤指數 加權 50指數 50指數x2 加權x2 加權x2 加權x2 商品代號 TAIEX 0050 00631L 00675L 00663L 00685L 名稱 大盤 元大50 元大正二 富邦正二 國泰正二 群益正二 近一週 -1.04% -1.65% -3.73% -3.92% -3.60% -3.69% 近一 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> f5j (ffivej)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [標的] 四大正二相關 績效比較<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 22:57:46 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">標的：</span>四大正二相關 績效比較 <span style="color:#008080">分類：</span>心得 <span style="color:#008080">分析/正文：</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">一.績效比較</span> 先說說 [大盤] vs [0050]， 以長期來說，0050贏大盤不少。 再說說國內的 4檔正二， 元大(00631L)，是追蹤 [50指數的2倍]， 其他 3檔正二，則是追蹤 [大盤的2倍] 我整理了比較表(2026/5/15)， 卻發現事情似乎不是我想像的這樣？ 當 [績效週期]：近一年、近兩年、近三年、近五年 0050 大勝 大盤時， 元大正二(加上複利偏移)，並沒有大勝其他家的正二？ <a href="https://imgur.com/HMDtlpp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/HMDtlpp.jpeg</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="664" data-ori_h="498" style="width:664px;height:498px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/HMDtlpp.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="ansi_group" data-img="/img/ansi/6/6d665e01110.png" data-width="690" data-height="240"><div class="ansi">追蹤指數 <span style="color:#008080">加權</span> <span style="color:#F00000">50指數</span> <span style="color:#00F000">50指數x2</span> <span style="color:#F000F0">加權x2 加權x2 加權x2</span></div> <div class="ansi">商品代號 TAIEX 0050 00631L 00675L 00663L 00685L</div> <div class="ansi">名稱 大盤 元大50 元大正二 富邦正二 國泰正二 群益正二</div> <div class="ansi">近一週 -1.04% -1.65% -3.73% -3.92% -3.60% -3.69%</div> <div class="ansi">近一月 10.88% 12.24% 20.32% 19.93% 20.62% 20.59%</div> <div class="ansi">近三月 29.74% 32.50% 58.52% 57.59% 58.66% 58.70%</div> <div class="ansi">今年以來 42.52% 47.47% 89.45% 88.10% 89.57% 89.90%</div> <div class="ansi">近六月 48.78% 53.82% 103.52% 102.20% 103.95% 103.10%</div> <div class="ansi">近一年 <span style="color:#008080">96.83%</span> <span style="color:#F00000">115.54%</span> <span style="color:#00F000">253.22% </span><span style="color:#F000F0">249.97% 253.68% 252.51%</span></div> <div class="ansi">近兩年 <span style="color:#008080">104.50%</span> <span style="color:#F00000">137.79%</span> <span style="color:#00F000">223.60% </span><span style="color:#F000F0">217.57% 221.86% 222.40%</span></div> <div class="ansi">近三年 <span style="color:#008080">176.44%</span> <span style="color:#F00000">235.09%</span> <span style="color:#00F000">458.21% </span><span style="color:#F000F0">445.92% 451.94% 457.49%</span></div> <div class="ansi">近五年 <span style="color:#008080">183.15%</span> <span style="color:#F00000">220.35%</span> <span style="color:#00F000">457.22% </span><span style="color:#F000F0">469.19% 466.20% 488.51%</span></div> </div> 近十年 576.27% 697.66% 3261.29% 未滿10年 未滿10年 未滿10年 <div class="ansi"><span style="color:#808080">成立以來 略 2043.82% 3297.83% 2615.93% 3039.86% 2373.29%</span></div> <span style="color:#808080">(不同成立日期，基準日不同，所以導致績效也不同)</span> <div class="ansi_group" data-img="" data-width="0" data-height="0"><div class="ansi">經理費 0.075% 1.00% 0.65% 0.75% 0.30%</div> <div class="ansi">保管費 0.025% 0.04% 0.04% 0.04% 0.04%</div> </div> <span style="color:#F0F000">二.元大正二買台積電</span> 另外，最近看到一篇2026/5/13的新聞， 【獨家】台股創新高期貨商卻無貨可賣 業者憂恐爆流動性風險 <a href="https://tw.news.yahoo.com/share%2F58c7dbef-f9df-3bed-8d96-0d169ebe9ce8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://tw.news.yahoo.com/share/58c7dbef-f9df-3bed-8d96-0d169ebe9ce8</a> 大意是說，因為法令的關係， 台股大漲，造成期貨商無法替客戶開倉接新倉。 我在想，是不是因為台股創新高， 造成期貨商無貨可賣， 所以元大正二才改買台積電？ 一來可以避免買不到期貨， 二來可以降低近期轉倉的高額正價差成本 <span style="color:#F0F000">三.思考題</span> 來個陷阱題， 正常來說， 有一口期貨多單，就會有一口期貨空單， 大盤若上漲，期貨多單的權益數固然增加， 但空單的權益數會對應等額減少， 整體來說，應該是零和遊戲， 為何會造成新聞說的， 台股漲太快，導致期貨商觸及法規風險紅線， 依法即將被迫停止收單？ <span style="color:#F0F000">四.資料來源：三竹資訊</span> 另外我查過不同來源，0050的績效，每家寫的都不一樣 包含：鉅亨網、havocFuture、股市爆料同學會、財經M平方、MoneyDJ理財網 0050 ：<a href="https://imgur.com/9GskBlF" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/9GskBlF.png</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="472" data-ori_h="1024" style="width:472px;height:1024px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/9GskBlFh.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> 元大正二：<a href="https://imgur.com/kRigR3n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/kRigR3n.png</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="472" data-ori_h="1024" style="width:472px;height:1024px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/kRigR3nh.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> 富邦正二：<a href="https://imgur.com/0BjVZr7" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/0BjVZr7.png</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="472" data-ori_h="1024" style="width:472px;height:1024px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/0BjVZr7h.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> 國泰正二：<a href="https://imgur.com/axoUVpZ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/axoUVpZ.png</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="472" data-ori_h="1024" style="width:472px;height:1024px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/axoUVpZh.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> 群益證二：<a href="https://imgur.com/XB8doZK" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/XB8doZK.png</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="472" data-ori_h="1024" style="width:472px;height:1024px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/XB8doZKh.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <span style="color:#F0F000">五.元大正二持有台灣50股票期貨比重</span> 114年底：持有 0.00% 的台灣50股票期貨 113年底：持有 7.45% 的台灣50股票期貨 112年底：持有 6.87% 的台灣50股票期貨 111年底：持有 21.06% 的台灣50股票期貨 110年底：持有 26.58% 的台灣50股票期貨 109年底：持有 39.50% 的台灣50股票期貨 108年底：持有 82.44% 的台灣50股票期貨 107年底：持有 45.01% 的台灣50股票期貨 106年底：持有 87.50% 的台灣50股票期貨 105年底：持有 99.51% 的台灣50股票期貨 請注意，上限並非100% <span style="color:#F0F000">六.我的大台空單</span> 上次自刪文，不小心被水桶了， 補貼一下我的大台空單，還在， 前幾天被軋到接近 -200%的樣子， 做空但不看空， 預計一樣放到結算日。 <a href="https://imgur.com/3TPcYba" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/3TPcYba.png</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="284" style="width:1024px;height:284px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/3TPcYbah.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> PO本文的時候，電腦出點問題， 還沒打完內容，就自動送出了， 我怕刪文又被水桶，所以修改了些內文。 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.194.41.80 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: f5j 2026-05-15 22:57:46</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778857068.A.9C8.html" target="_blank">#1g1pHid8 (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778857068.A.9C8.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778857068.A.9C8.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span 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class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MAXSPEED/push?y=26" target="_blank">MAXSPEED</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請問各家對比的話，成立以來的%數為什麼會跟近五年</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 23:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MAXSPEED/push?y=26" target="_blank">MAXSPEED</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的%數有蠻大的落差呢？元大正二和國泰近五年年沒贏</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MAXSPEED/push?y=26" target="_blank">MAXSPEED</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，但成立以來看起來勝過群益不少？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cphe/push?y=26" target="_blank">cphe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為不是同時成立的，這一欄可以不用看</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 23:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rainxo6p/push?y=26" target="_blank">rainxo6p</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼好像在社團看到一樣的文章過w</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 23:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f5j/push?y=26" target="_blank">f5j</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為我就是那篇的作者</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 23:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagat666/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagat666</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 631L拿掉50期了吧，現在跟其他檔一樣都是追蹤台指期</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 23:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FreeWretch/push?y=26" target="_blank">FreeWretch</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有50期內扣又比別人高</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 23:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alvis000/push?y=26" target="_blank">alvis000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 流動性比較好</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 23:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keineAhnung/push?y=26" target="_blank">keineAhnung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益豪猛 幫小孩存對了</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 23:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xerioc5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">xerioc5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等群益分割了</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 23:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jax2013/push?y=26" target="_blank">jax2013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推整理</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 23:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovecorgi/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovecorgi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益量好少</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 23:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tinybunny/push?y=26" target="_blank">tinybunny</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益零股很難買，尾盤5分無法完全成交</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 23:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Diver123/push?y=26" target="_blank">Diver123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 元大費用太高績效差正常吧</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 23:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長抱不動群益不錯 但流動性跟滑價.</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 23:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/simba1222/push?y=26" target="_blank">simba1222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 話說為什麼元大在分割前的量就是比別人多，看下來</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/16 00:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/simba1222/push?y=26" target="_blank">simba1222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其他家的費還比較好</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jax2013/push?y=26" target="_blank">jax2013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 元大比較有名吧 出了PTT大多數人正2只認識631L而已</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/16 00:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f5j/push?y=26" target="_blank">f5j</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為他成立的早呀，早進入市場，可以早享受，你看</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/16 00:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f5j/push?y=26" target="_blank">f5j</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其他家，都還未滿10年！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnsom/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnsom</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 近1個月買的還是都賺不少 那閒聊那些人是?????</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/16 00:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去年跟著吃沙威瑪後就改買群益了</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/16 00:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 油正二呢</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/16 00:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc0922001/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc0922001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 費用率低還是有差一點點</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/16 00:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被動ETF看似有明確的買賣規則，其實在規則下還是有</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/16 00:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很大操作空間，之前就有被動式無腦在開盤一次買足，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結果金融牛股突然急拉又下殺，成本硬是高了好幾%，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就不知各投信內部有沒有詳細規定，還是給經理人自由</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 發揮</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ETF經理人很會買啦，莫忘豆腐蛙</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 00:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我們對照631、675、685就好。 五年前631還有大約1</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 00:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 0%上下的0050期貨。不是近200%台指期，所以會有跟</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 另外三隻落差。 大概2022年後幾乎也是19x%台指期，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有50期貨了。雖中文叫50正二，但本質上四隻沒什</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 麼內容差別。我們從近3年起看。631跟685互有輸贏，</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但差異都甚小。所以管理費落差是個幾乎可以忽略的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 議題。別忘了631還有流動性跟真有萬一急用錢情況可</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以質押的優勢。 反觀675，基於富邦的肥水不落外人</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 田，所以有富邦吉祥貨幣市場基金佔一小部分。雖不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多。但等於你少少的被抽第二次管理費。 富邦相比之</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下其實一直才是落後組。 而631也是這禮拜開始灌23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Arkzeon/push?y=26" target="_blank">Arkzeon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 30才跟其他人走不同路線。</span></div> 既然很多人一直提到0050期貨， 我就順手補一下數據： 114年底：持有 0%的台灣50股票期貨 113年底：持有 7.45%的台灣50股票期貨 112年底：持有 6.87%的台灣50股票期貨 111年底：持有21.06%的台灣50股票期貨 110年底：持有26.58%的台灣50股票期貨 109年底：持有39.50%的台灣50股票期貨 108年底：持有82.44%的台灣50股票期貨 107年底：持有45.01%的台灣50股票期貨 106年底：持有87.50%的台灣50股票期貨 105年底：持有99.51%的台灣50股票期貨 <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crazysinger/push?y=26" target="_blank">crazysinger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/16 00:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iceyeman/push?y=26" target="_blank">iceyeman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丟去問小精靈 說 會類似 主動</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/16 00:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sdbb/push?y=26" target="_blank">sdbb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 謝謝</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/16 00:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/icedog122/push?y=26" target="_blank">icedog122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等685七月分割 流動性就會好很多</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/16 01:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rtg3366587/push?y=26" target="_blank">rtg3366587</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推 感謝整理</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 01:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FreeWretch/push?y=26" target="_blank">FreeWretch</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正2哥的書封面上也是寫明00631l</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 01:09</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: f5j (123.194.41.80 臺灣), 05/16/2026 01:38:43</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cvn21/push?y=26" target="_blank">cvn21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我記得上個月初我有自己統計整基金放十年跟正二十年</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/16 01:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cvn21/push?y=26" target="_blank">cvn21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的績效，分點分月，這幾年大漲牛市共同基金比任一家</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cvn21/push?y=26" target="_blank">cvn21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正二厲害，22~23緩跌，基金跌多，但轉牛之後，基金</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cvn21/push?y=26" target="_blank">cvn21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拉回速度比正二還快</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cvn21/push?y=26" target="_blank">cvn21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買在什麼時候的績效也差很多</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LLSBOY/push?y=26" target="_blank">LLSBOY</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 吃飽太閒..整天比這個</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 02:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CreatorK/push?y=26" target="_blank">CreatorK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投資不比績效要比甚麼</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/16 02:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cvn21/push?y=26" target="_blank">cvn21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但真的很看時間啦，我覺得自己平常事情太忙，不知道</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 02:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cvn21/push?y=26" target="_blank">cvn21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 什麼時候能再平衡，那就一股腦押基金就對了，反正跟</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cvn21/push?y=26" target="_blank">cvn21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正二幾乎在誤差範圍之內</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F1ower/push?y=26" target="_blank">F1ower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 02:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chal/push?y=26" target="_blank">chal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 元大比較安全 資本大距離下市比較遠</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 03:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j1992624/push?y=26" target="_blank">j1992624</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益教高潮</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 04:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTpeter/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTpeter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼會覺得元大是0050的正二, 他明明是大盤正二啊!</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 05:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b7278622/push?y=26" target="_blank">b7278622</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 管理費是決定長期績效的關鍵 怎麼會沒差</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 05:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sss870192/push?y=26" target="_blank">sss870192</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝整理 推推</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 06:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mecca/push?y=26" target="_blank">mecca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越來越少人敢放空 所以正價差就一直疊上去</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 06:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RlexCY37/push?y=26" target="_blank">RlexCY37</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: …</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 07:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MotleyCrue/push?y=26" target="_blank">MotleyCrue</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益難買難賣 有時整張掛單半天才出去</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/16 07:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MotleyCrue/push?y=26" target="_blank">MotleyCrue</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看之後分割完的流動性能不能好一點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Orenjifurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Orenjifurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去看元大公開說明書好嗎 他什麼時候是大盤正二了</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 07:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schrei/push?y=26" target="_blank">schrei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益那種交易量我才不敢買</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 07:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Orenjifurai/push?y=26" target="_blank">Orenjifurai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怕什麼 元大正2只有幾千人的時候還不是活下來了</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 07:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schrei/push?y=26" target="_blank">schrei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重點是盤勢不對我想跑的時候交易量很低會腳麻</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 08:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益就真的差在流通性，流通性上來之後說不定就有</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 09:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/verdandy/push?y=26" target="_blank">verdandy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 券商願意開質押，就等分割後流通性會不會好點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hellophoenix/push?y=26" target="_blank">hellophoenix</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟本沒有台50期貨啊 不是元大自己的50etf期貨嗎</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 09:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamacomic/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamacomic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會自刪標的文</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/16 10:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yhps910104/push?y=26" target="_blank">yhps910104</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益可以質押啊 利率和631一樣 說不能壓的是根本沒</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 10:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yhps910104/push?y=26" target="_blank">yhps910104</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用過吧 流通也沒啥問題 還是你一天會賣幾百張？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cylu7878/push?y=26" target="_blank">cylu7878</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前一陣子質押之亂還沒發生時 元大證金質押631跟675</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 10:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cylu7878/push?y=26" target="_blank">cylu7878</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利率一樣 但685就高一點</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才發現是F5j 說好的三萬七空單放到520呢</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 11:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yu1111116/push?y=26" target="_blank">yu1111116</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 群益都沒人要借券…讓我賺一下利息啊！</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 11:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s0606757/push?y=26" target="_blank">s0606757</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幫補血，某樓要不要看一下631L的中文證券名稱是什麼</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 12:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s0606757/push?y=26" target="_blank">s0606757</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，本質上本來就該是0050的正二，操作成大盤正二還不</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s0606757/push?y=26" target="_blank">s0606757</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是因為0050期貨流通很差</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> joanzkow. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3UA 2026-05-15T22:33:58+08:00 2026-05-16T19:12:55+08:00

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<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> joanzkow (星浪)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 快訊／習近平將在今秋訪美<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 22:33:58 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 快訊／習近平將在今秋訪美 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166715.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166715.htm</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166715.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>快訊／習近平將在今秋訪美 | ETtoday大陸新聞 | ETtoday新聞雲</strong></a> <a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166715.htm" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1280" data-ori_h="853" style="width:1280px;height:853px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8742/e8742993.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>美國總統川普（Donald Trump）結束為期3天的訪華行程，中共中央政治局委員、外交部長王毅15日公布中美領導人會晤情況，兩國在經貿、中美關系、國際和地區問題等多項議題上達成許多共識，並透露中國國家主席習近平將在今年秋季前往美國進行國事訪問。(王毅,川習會,川普) ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026年05月15日 22:20 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 趙蔡州 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 快訊／習近平將在今秋訪美 ETTODAY <a href="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8742/d8742993.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8742/d8742993.jpg</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="600" data-ori_h="400" style="width:600px;height:400px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8742/d8742993.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> ▲中國外交部長王毅表示，中國國家主席習近平今年秋季前往美國進行國事訪問。（圖／ 達志影像／美聯社） 記者趙蔡州／綜合報導 <div class="combine-lines">美國總統川普（Donald Trump）結束為期3天的訪華行程，中共中央政治局委員、外交部 長王毅15日公布中美領導人會晤情況，兩國在經貿、中美關系、國際和地區問題等多項議 題上達成許多共識，並透露中國國家主席習近平將在今年秋季前往美國進行國事訪問。</div> <div class="combine-lines">王毅15日表示，這次這是中美關系站在新的歷史起點上的一次重要會晤，也是繼去年10月 釜山之後，兩國元首再次面對面會晤，也是美國總統時隔9年再次訪華，兩國元首就外交 、兩軍、經貿、衛生、農業、旅遊、人文、執法等各領域開展更多交流，並達成許多共識 。</div> <div class="combine-lines">王毅指出，中美作為世界前兩大經濟體，中美關系是世界上最重要、最覆雜的雙邊關系， 自川普總統就任以來，兩國元首2次會晤、5次通話、多次書信往來，為中美關系的改善發 展提供了重要戰略保障，也使中美關系歷經跌宕起伏後呈現總體穩定。</div> <a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166715.htm" target="_blank">https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166715.htm</a> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 習近平真的要去欸，這樣不是好事情嗎 為什麼股票會這樣呢 美中還有多少生意跟台股有關呢 非常迫切想知道下禮拜的台股變化 謝謝 <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.160.56 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: joanzkow 2026-05-15 22:33:58</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778855641.A.275.html" target="_blank">#1g1oxP9r (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778855641.A.275.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778855641.A.275.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/angelo98/push?y=26" target="_blank">angelo98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 22:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cuteSquirrel/push?y=26" target="_blank">cuteSquirrel</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中概噴噴</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 22:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DorisBaby/push?y=26" target="_blank">DorisBaby</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中美友好 跟中國有關的股票可以漲嗎</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 22:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dissykite/push?y=26" target="_blank">dissykite</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 秋三小</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 22:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span 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class="push-right">12F 05/15 22:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a0808996/push?y=26" target="_blank">a0808996</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 商業互吹?</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 22:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國男槍會出動嗎</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 22:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gallon0/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gallon0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 噴噴爽蛇～～</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 22:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuegg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuegg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以是自己去還是川普會派人接她</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 22:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jalai/push?y=26" target="_blank">jalai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 期中選舉拉票 可能反效果喔 民主黨偷笑</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 22:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美軍要去接來美國嗎</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 22:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerryz2005/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerryz2005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以要跌到秋天來了嗎？</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 22:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nfsong/push?y=26" target="_blank">nfsong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 猛</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 22:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦一直洗</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 22:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又要漲到年底了嗎</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 22:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也就是漲到秋天 至少</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 22:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/schula/push?y=26" target="_blank">schula</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幫忙拉票太懂了吧，川皇計劃通</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 22:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amazingwow/push?y=26" target="_blank">amazingwow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中美友好</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 22:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SABA0/push?y=26" target="_blank">SABA0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真假 維尼敢去歐</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 22:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩了</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 22:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 畢竟是川建國</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 22:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bcismylove/push?y=26" target="_blank">bcismylove</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喔</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a11011788/push?y=26" target="_blank">a11011788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 噴</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bwnzer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bwnzer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那個龜頭已經沒用了</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻門宴</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tomaschang/push?y=26" target="_blank">tomaschang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台股要翻一倍了，每個月漲1萬點，9月就8萬點了</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 22:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/singlelove/push?y=26" target="_blank">singlelove</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 起秋了</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 22:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/butz85/push?y=26" target="_blank">butz85</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金邱</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 22:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 盤，不能崩</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 22:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ots625/push?y=26" target="_blank">ots625</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 秋天在進場</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 22:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hschian/push?y=26" target="_blank">hschian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國中秋節 烤肉嗎？</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 22:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KaedeFuyou/push?y=26" target="_blank">KaedeFuyou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 斬首啦</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 22:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中美聯手修理台灣喔</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 22:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tist/push?y=26" target="_blank">tist</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 畢業旅行</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 22:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DUSTWAVE/push?y=26" target="_blank">DUSTWAVE</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用給錢偷渡嗎？</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 22:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BruceChen227/push?y=26" target="_blank">BruceChen227</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真假啦包子你外面仇人這麼多欸</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 22:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ben192726/push?y=26" target="_blank">ben192726</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣得以喘息</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 22:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason613/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason613</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 9月前上車啦 這樣還不懂嗎</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 23:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kimura0701/push?y=26" target="_blank">kimura0701</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 23:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NowQmmmmmmmm/push?y=26" target="_blank">NowQmmmmmmmm</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 昨天川普晚宴就邀請他9月23去白宮了</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/15 23:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budaixi/push?y=26" target="_blank">budaixi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/6hF3McQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/6hF3McQ.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 23:04</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="802" data-ori_h="800" style="width:802px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/6hF3McQh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asjh612/push?y=26" target="_blank">asjh612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今秋哦</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 23:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他要是去了…回得來嗎？</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 23:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SunRoy/push?y=26" target="_blank">SunRoy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 起秋</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 23:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chysh/push?y=26" target="_blank">chysh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: WW III 的開端，不要不信</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 23:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sion1993/push?y=26" target="_blank">sion1993</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老習要不要帶盒不二坊過去啊？</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/15 23:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josh0114/push?y=26" target="_blank">josh0114</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 筋秋抖</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 23:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s881720/push?y=26" target="_blank">s881720</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 內部軍方可能搞定了 嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 23:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karta018/push?y=26" target="_blank">karta018</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 猜兩邊在那之前就又翻臉了</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 23:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/js70864444/push?y=26" target="_blank">js70864444</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 起邱了</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 23:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TCPai/push?y=26" target="_blank">TCPai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果美中緩和，那台灣也會是大贏家</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/15 23:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tom77588/push?y=26" target="_blank">tom77588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 起秋行</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 23:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/paul2chiu/push?y=26" target="_blank">paul2chiu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中分龜頭哭哭 哪都不能去</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/15 23:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ferrari293/push?y=26" target="_blank">ferrari293</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今秋</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 23:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DALUGI/push?y=26" target="_blank">DALUGI</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 離秋天還好幾個月 中美吵架就不去了</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 23:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kimula01/push?y=26" target="_blank">kimula01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 代表川普封鎖網要有開放小漏洞-了嗎</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/15 23:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dennis50253/push?y=26" target="_blank">dennis50253</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台x被賣了</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 23:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abcqq2323/push?y=26" target="_blank">abcqq2323</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中分也可以去嗎？ 大突破欸</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 23:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/moustique/push?y=26" target="_blank">moustique</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中租噴噴</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 23:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ashand/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ashand</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普的第三支箭</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 23:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/angeltear15/push?y=26" target="_blank">angeltear15</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 23:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/softwords/push?y=26" target="_blank">softwords</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好哦 帶習去街頭看那些吃藥的街頭殭屍</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 23:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩死</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/15 23:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sid3/push?y=26" target="_blank">sid3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然要去非洲跪著送錢</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 23:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mars56/push?y=26" target="_blank">mars56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反觀</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 23:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普說賴清德是「你們懂得那個人」笑死</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 23:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連名字都不提</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是根本不記得他到底是誰</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xxxg00w0/push?y=26" target="_blank">xxxg00w0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中概和快倒光的原物料傳產有機會再爬起來?</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 23:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CIIIO/push?y=26" target="_blank">CIIIO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣蛋掉</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 23:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/studiophile/push?y=26" target="_blank">studiophile</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習訪美不就今秋</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 23:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peace305/push?y=26" target="_blank">peace305</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過中秋</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/15 23:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s90154aa/push?y=26" target="_blank">s90154aa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再不去就沒下一次了 肚子這麼大肯定有病</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/15 23:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/scum5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">scum5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 訪問完 剛好美國期中選舉，川小丑很會拉民調</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/15 23:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Swave/push?y=26" target="_blank">Swave</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 超LAG還快訊，這白天就有了</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/15 23:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pikachu123/push?y=26" target="_blank">pikachu123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 東南小島可以蛋雕了</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 23:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/15 23:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yufat/push?y=26" target="_blank">yufat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AAAAA幾年線</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 23:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Erechtheus/push?y=26" target="_blank">Erechtheus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 秋</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 23:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KickAcer/push?y=26" target="_blank">KickAcer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是不是要逃難了</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/15 23:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/curlymonkey/push?y=26" target="_blank">curlymonkey</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中美合力對抗外星人！台灣當個隱形人！</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/15 23:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/redbeanbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">redbeanbread</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貿易戰is over12686見</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/15 23:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/banowa/push?y=26" target="_blank">banowa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 秋什麼秋</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/15 23:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 秋天？ 你是去幫忙選舉的吧</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/15 23:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 秋天去是幫忙拉選票的吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lazybear1231/push?y=26" target="_blank">lazybear1231</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反觀連過境都不行的</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/15 23:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaa80563/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaa80563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要去跪了</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/15 23:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ronan113021/push?y=26" target="_blank">ronan113021</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中美一家親 見證歷史</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 00:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ronan113021/push?y=26" target="_blank">ronan113021</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 井蛙還在跪</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imhanhan/push?y=26" target="_blank">imhanhan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只有寵物狗不能進入……QQ</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 00:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pinkg023/push?y=26" target="_blank">pinkg023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還沒去之前都難說</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 00:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YHOTV4096/push?y=26" target="_blank">YHOTV4096</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先是宗主國國主駕臨，後是中國國主前往朝聖。</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 00:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/papapatodo/push?y=26" target="_blank">papapatodo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 晚秋</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 00:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolrock/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolrock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蠻好的，世界和平，台灣也要和平</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 00:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kusotoripeko/push?y=26" target="_blank">kusotoripeko</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 故意的喔，古中國秋天有別的意思</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 00:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCNCCN/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCNCCN</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有去跪了嗎</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 00:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haha7456/push?y=26" target="_blank">haha7456</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 偷渡龜頭不是才在洗他不敢去嗎</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 00:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一個不讓你過境,一個親自邀你去</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 00:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faelone/push?y=26" target="_blank">faelone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別洗文了尻哥</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 00:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keltt/push?y=26" target="_blank">keltt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 尻哥快去買中國A股，不要再洗文啦！</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 00:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BBKOX/push?y=26" target="_blank">BBKOX</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反觀被禁止過境的那位</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 00:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asidy/push?y=26" target="_blank">asidy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 抓起來，大腸麵</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/16 00:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/searchroy/push?y=26" target="_blank">searchroy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 秋立決？</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 01:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good200/push?y=26" target="_blank">good200</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 阿公在哭泣</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 01:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityport/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityport</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拜登那四年在幹什麼？</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 01:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mtmmy/push?y=26" target="_blank">mtmmy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要去跪了</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 01:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slimak/push?y=26" target="_blank">slimak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: NIKE套裝預備</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 01:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TomCruiyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">TomCruiyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣要被賣了</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 02:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ksjr/push?y=26" target="_blank">ksjr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒被邀請沒關係 還好我們還會偷渡</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 02:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ginger249/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ginger249</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中分龜這下子真氣瘋了</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 02:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turndown4wat/push?y=26" target="_blank">turndown4wat</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 活捉</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 02:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chanel1259/push?y=26" target="_blank">chanel1259</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 抓起來</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 02:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tn601374/push?y=26" target="_blank">tn601374</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反觀賴皮</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/16 03:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j1992624/push?y=26" target="_blank">j1992624</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真秋</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/16 04:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tinachou/push?y=26" target="_blank">tinachou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賴皮秋天前都只能龜在鬼仔洞</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 04:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qoojo2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">qoojo2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去白宮觀光</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 05:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qoojo2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">qoojo2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股票跟中美一家親沒關係，總是下跌找理由</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://pse.is/93sdfz" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://pse.is/93sdfz</a></span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 05:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tarcowang/push?y=26" target="_blank">tarcowang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大概是趁聯合國大會召開時去</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 05:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 起秋</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 06:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Karida/push?y=26" target="_blank">Karida</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公費旅遊哦？</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 06:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuooo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuooo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實那都不是真的習近平，習近平有好幾個長得像演</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 06:10</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuooo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuooo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 員在輪替</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a40494/push?y=26" target="_blank">a40494</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 軍武板哭暈在白宮廁所</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 06:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ifgh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ifgh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金秋</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 06:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jack90352/push?y=26" target="_blank">jack90352</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只有某個人不能去…….</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 06:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Toge/push?y=26" target="_blank">Toge</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在一起 在一起 在一起 在一起</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 07:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/max5209/push?y=26" target="_blank">max5209</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 。</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 07:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ...美國大白臀這幾天沒舔夠嗎 還要親自去帶貨</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 07:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我暈倒 比島內阿中仔還舔</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lme0929/push?y=26" target="_blank">lme0929</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我還以為我不小心點到八卦版了</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 07:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knightwww/push?y=26" target="_blank">knightwww</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不能去的 可憐</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 07:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Retangle/push?y=26" target="_blank">Retangle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拜登沒去過中國也太誇張</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 08:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/subaru94/push?y=26" target="_blank">subaru94</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上次不也是兩個恩愛完就開始經濟制裁</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 08:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/enail5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">enail5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 帶月餅去</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 08:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m10112256/push?y=26" target="_blank">m10112256</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 發哥該噴到外太空了吧，股價委屈了</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/16 08:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/healworld/push?y=26" target="_blank">healworld</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習瘋到直接問川會不會協防台灣耶，他真的急了</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 08:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/baka1412/push?y=26" target="_blank">baka1412</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 修習底德 整天修習底德陷阱</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/16 09:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/royli/push?y=26" target="_blank">royli</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次訪中沒達成任何重大協議，就一堆空話</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 09:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ANava/push?y=26" target="_blank">ANava</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 寵物狗又要哭為什麼不能去美國了</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 09:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Homeparty/push?y=26" target="_blank">Homeparty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打不贏只好做朋友</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 09:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loveyanzi03/push?y=26" target="_blank">loveyanzi03</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美訪中結果股票幾乎沒在動</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/16 10:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loveyanzi03/push?y=26" target="_blank">loveyanzi03</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這跟股市完全無關吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然不是好事 現在唯一觀察籌碼就是台灣啊 這次川</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 10:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 普在沒有回應的情況完成 表示九月就是雙方觀察有沒</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有照進度表的進度 如果習去了 表示這個事情是進展</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果這次五月的協議沒有進度 習九月去幹嘛</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雙方最重視的事 什麼時候完成不知道 但互訪就表示</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 進行中啊 誰一開始會付尾款啦</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全世界跟川普來往學到的事 就是事後看他有沒有撕毀</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還學不乖嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crazydj/push?y=26" target="_blank">crazydj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼台灣只能看恐龍XDDDD</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/16 10:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 首先馬上就會遇到六月的那一天 跟七月的那一天 你</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 10:11</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 準備看川普會不會開嘴</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果他都沒提那件事 這件事大概率是真的進行中</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別忘了 普丁也準備去中國了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣的希望應該是習沒有去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newman302/push?y=26" target="_blank">newman302</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去美國不怕被蹦蹦喔，美麗國可人人有槍耶</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/16 10:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 派分身去就好啦..如果被幹掉，正好有藉口對美丟香菇</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 10:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b54102/push?y=26" target="_blank">b54102</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 至少可以確定到9月中前 扣掉油價 股市應該不會有什</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 10:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b54102/push?y=26" target="_blank">b54102</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 麼影響？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你也可以說台灣是美國放出的誘餌 中國只對這個誘惑</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/16 10:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 受不了 那一樣交易中在進行看九月就知道</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以後搞不好這些國家都綁在一起靠川習互訪保證可信</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 度 川普的信用太差沒人信</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不知道整個交易時間多長 我猜只是三個月就會確定</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一次進度 以前副總理開什麼玩意證明大家都沒在遵守</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想翻臉就翻了 哪會有什麼到九月 那頂多是表定</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好比六月初 川普嘴一下順便同意賣國軍垃圾袋 那就</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sagarain/push?y=26" target="_blank">sagarain</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 翻臉了啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gaexpa9920/push?y=26" target="_blank">gaexpa9920</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給熊熊一罐蜂蜜！</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 10:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TaiwanBanker/push?y=26" target="_blank">TaiwanBanker</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接效仿馬杜洛抓起來，大陸變民主國家再放回</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/16 11:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/grass930/push?y=26" target="_blank">grass930</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川都被暗殺幾次了，習敢去不怕變成成功案例</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/16 11:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cage820518/push?y=26" target="_blank">cage820518</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中美合作是好事</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/16 11:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xsdferty035/push?y=26" target="_blank">xsdferty035</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國人那麼瘋 暗殺過那麼多次總統 習大大敢去也是</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 12:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xsdferty035/push?y=26" target="_blank">xsdferty035</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很勇</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tomalex/push?y=26" target="_blank">tomalex</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵) 罐頭心得洗文喔</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/16 12:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jay0117/push?y=26" target="_blank">jay0117</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國官員子女那個沒美國籍？去探親也不行？習女兒</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 13:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jay0117/push?y=26" target="_blank">jay0117</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就美國人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DORAQMON/push?y=26" target="_blank">DORAQMON</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那像某人只能去夏威夷看恐龍</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 13:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wei9898/push?y=26" target="_blank">wei9898</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中概股噴起乃</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 15:48</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> yokann. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3V5 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原文標題： 貿聯-KY與嘉澤Q1毛利雙雙大減！油價影響逐漸放大威力 轉機股為貴金屬概念股 原文連結： https://reurl.cc/j6YN0n 貿聯-KY與嘉澤Q1毛利雙雙大減！油價影響逐漸放大威力 轉機股為貴金屬概念股 - 理財周刊 在油價高漲的環境下，「毛利率」是篩選企業體質的唯一真理。投資人不宜過度追逐已處於歷史高位的高基期 AI概念股，應適度調節部位，轉向獲利穩健、基期較低且不受原材料成本侵蝕的資源型產業。 ... 發布時間： 5/15 記者署名： 洪崇晏 原文內容： 在全球經濟緩步復甦之際，國際油價與大宗物資價格的持續走高，正悄悄在電子零組件與 傳統產業間築起一道「利潤防火牆」。近期從連接器大廠嘉澤（3533）與線束龍頭貿聯 -KY（3665）公布的最新財報與展望中，我們不難發現一個共同的隱憂：營收創新高，毛 利率卻意外觸礁。 營收紅利背後的陰影：毛利失守 雖然伺服器與高效能運算（HPC）的需求依舊強勁，但這兩家績優生在第一季都面臨了相 同的結構性挑戰： 嘉澤（3533）： 第一季毛利率降至 49.55%。公司明確指出，這主要是受到原材料價格上 漲的衝擊。儘管伺服器 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> yokann (有什麼是越大越好)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 貿聯-KY與嘉澤Q1毛利雙雙大減！油價影響<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 20:41:33 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> 貿聯-KY與嘉澤Q1毛利雙雙大減！油價影響逐漸放大威力 轉機股為貴金屬概念股 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <a href="https://reurl.cc/j6YN0n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://reurl.cc/j6YN0n</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.moneyweekly.com.tw/ArticleData/Info/Article/226887" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>貿聯-KY與嘉澤Q1毛利雙雙大減！油價影響逐漸放大威力 轉機股為貴金屬概念股 - 理財周刊</strong></a> 在油價高漲的環境下，「毛利率」是篩選企業體質的唯一真理。投資人不宜過度追逐已處於歷史高位的高基期 AI概念股，應適度調節部位，轉向獲利穩健、基期較低且不受原材料成本侵蝕的資源型產業。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> 5/15 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 洪崇晏 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 在全球經濟緩步復甦之際，國際油價與大宗物資價格的持續走高，正悄悄在電子零組件與 傳統產業間築起一道「利潤防火牆」。近期從連接器大廠嘉澤（3533）與線束龍頭貿聯 -KY（3665）公布的最新財報與展望中，我們不難發現一個共同的隱憂：營收創新高，毛 利率卻意外觸礁。 營收紅利背後的陰影：毛利失守 雖然伺服器與高效能運算（HPC）的需求依舊強勁，但這兩家績優生在第一季都面臨了相 同的結構性挑戰： <div class="combine-lines">嘉澤（3533）： 第一季毛利率降至 49.55%。公司明確指出，這主要是受到原材料價格上 漲的衝擊。儘管伺服器營收占比首度突破五成，但在上游成本墊高的壓力下，獲利空間被 顯著壓縮。</div> <div class="combine-lines"><span class="fgW1 bgG">貿聯-KY（3665）： 營收雖創歷史新高，毛利率卻來到 28.76%</span>，不僅失守 30% 大關，季 減幅更達 3.17 個百分點。除了產品世代交替的過渡期影響外，整體成本控制的壓力在財 報中展露無遺。</div> Q2-Q4 關鍵審判期：毛利率若無起色，高評價將面臨「重估」 目前的市場投資邏輯正處於一個危險的平衡點。許多高基期的電子權值股，其目前的股價 水位是基於「高成長」與「高獲利能力」的雙重預期。 <div class="combine-lines">若接下來第二季至第四季，企業無法透過新產品導入或轉嫁成本來拉回毛利率，市場將會 從「成長夢想」回歸到「獲利現實」。一旦毛利率無法有效回升，不僅本益比（PE）會面 臨修正，更可能引發市場信心崩盤，造成股價重挫。這種「高評價、低利潤」的背離，是 目前投資人最需警惕的風險。</div> 避風港：轉向低基期與「資源再生」概念股 當高科技成長股在油價與原材料寒流中瑟瑟發抖時，投資人應重新配置部位，尋找對成本 敏感度低、甚至能從物價上漲中獲利的低基期族群。 特別是貴金屬回收與概念股，在全球資源緊缺、金屬價格波動上升的環境下，其毛利率相 對穩定且具有抗通膨特性： 光洋科 (1785)： 身為全球領先的貴金屬回收精煉大廠，擁有穩定的料源與加工技術，隨 貴金屬價格波動具有轉嫁能力。 金益鼎 (8390)： 專注於電子廢料回收，在金、銀、銅等金屬價格維持高位時，其庫存價 值與處理收益將顯著受惠。 聯友金屬-創 (6944)： 作為鎢、鈷等稀有金屬回收專家，其產品與全球硬質合金、動力 電池供應鏈緊密連結，具備獨特的利基市場地位。 投資建議 <div class="combine-lines">在油價高漲的環境下，「毛利率」是篩選企業體質的唯一真理。投資人不宜過度追逐已處 於歷史高位的高基期AI概念股，應適度調節部位，轉向獲利穩健、基期較低且不受原材料 成本侵蝕的資源型產業。</div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 最近貿聯真的慘,從最高點3010到現在2095已經跌了一千點,只花了不到一週的時間... Q1似乎遠低於大部份投資人的期待,主動式幾乎都持有貿聯不少, 如果出脫大概會回1500也說不定.今年應該還是有機會賺50+ <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.226.243.235 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: yokann 2026-05-15 20:41:33</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778848895.A.63F.html" target="_blank">#1g1nH_O_ (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778848895.A.63F.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778848895.A.63F.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn00152097/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn00152097</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得只是階段性換股炒而已，就像當初發哥一樣</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 20:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/second155T/push?y=26" target="_blank">second155T</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資源回收概念股竟然沒有衛司特，果然低調，沒有四</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 20:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/second155T/push?y=26" target="_blank">second155T</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 百真的是被低估了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luche/push?y=26" target="_blank">luche</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 線材廠為什麼毛利都這麼高 看以前表現會猜測沒有五</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 20:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luche/push?y=26" target="_blank">luche</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 成利潤不會想做</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okbon/push?y=26" target="_blank">okbon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這兩隻也是投信愛股</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 20:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myv3688/push?y=26" target="_blank">myv3688</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光洋科被殺爆了。。這時候講這個是要轉折了嗎</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ting31823/push?y=26" target="_blank">ting31823</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 同意，藉機殺一下，Q2底就買回了</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/15 20:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/erenrush/push?y=26" target="_blank">erenrush</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聯友都快一千了 出貨文？</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 20:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只是Q1下修而已 又不代表Q2也是一樣</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 21:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這兩兄弟瞬間都bye了，這個星期太慘烈，什麼都破</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 21:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a135791258/push?y=26" target="_blank">a135791258</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 紅明顯 這兩個PE太高 沒有成長就是殺哪那麼多廢話</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 21:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mypower/push?y=26" target="_blank">mypower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這再跌投信會停損，然後投信快丟完就是買點，未來</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 21:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mypower/push?y=26" target="_blank">mypower</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是不錯吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tfoxboy123/push?y=26" target="_blank">tfoxboy123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看要不要炒而已</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 21:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/StarRoad/push?y=26" target="_blank">StarRoad</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天跌爛反而投信沒拋貨</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 21:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/StarRoad/push?y=26" target="_blank">StarRoad</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可能拉高再賣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yunf/push?y=26" target="_blank">yunf</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 毛毛的</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 21:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerry10307/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerry10307</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都噴多少了。快給潘董群聯注資</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 21:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kostolany/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kostolany</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ========垃圾兄弟</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 21:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haircc/push?y=26" target="_blank">haircc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光洋科被殺爛耶 確？</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 21:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mind324/push?y=26" target="_blank">mind324</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金銀也被殺了 想套人</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 21:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ichitakajoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">ichitakajoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貿聯本益比給到40倍 笑死 下去</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 21:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/atp2498/push?y=26" target="_blank">atp2498</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩崩</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 21:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jack1042/push?y=26" target="_blank">jack1042</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投信倒完就是進場時機 貿聯的需求根本不用怕</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 21:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ginwer/push?y=26" target="_blank">ginwer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光洋科不就知名的割粉絲韭菜集團在炒</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 21:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都很慘好嗎，川普再不解決海峽問題，全球只會一起</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 22:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wwwcom71/push?y=26" target="_blank">wwwcom71</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衛司特已經上過四百了</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 22:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gtaped05550/push?y=26" target="_blank">gtaped05550</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光洋科哪個在吵啊 不知道誒</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 22:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Roger1015/push?y=26" target="_blank">Roger1015</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 資金在高低位階移轉而已</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 22:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金屬都漲10倍了才在吹</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 22:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tino40carter/push?y=26" target="_blank">tino40carter</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 光洋科 哪個集團 再抄? 我只知道陳嘉偉在放空</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 22:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KaedeFuyou/push?y=26" target="_blank">KaedeFuyou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為成本問題稀釋利潤 那Q2台股很多都會很難看耶</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 22:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UchihaKawhi/push?y=26" target="_blank">UchihaKawhi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去年年中健策也是被投信倒到1300</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 23:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ma721/push?y=26" target="_blank">ma721</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 轉原物料概念股</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 23:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這兩家跌是因為風采都被同業貝爾威勒搶走了 三率三</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 23:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 升 爆炸升 單季eps來到近11塊同貿聯 股價却只要一</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 半 這兩天公告要送件上市了 連接器的賺錢王貝爾威</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勒 最純的ai伺服器連接器股</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c928/push?y=26" target="_blank">c928</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 回1000元</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 23:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MyloveZoey/push?y=26" target="_blank">MyloveZoey</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宜鼎有夠委屈</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 23:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smartalex/push?y=26" target="_blank">smartalex</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連接器族群的下一匹黑馬是6197</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 23:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haircc/push?y=26" target="_blank">haircc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99湧德！</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 23:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chanyao/push?y=26" target="_blank">chanyao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為啥都在講貿聯，嘉澤就一句帶過？</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 23:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zuvio/push?y=26" target="_blank">zuvio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟廣達一樣因為上游漲價才讓營收變多，但獲利卻變</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/16 01:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zuvio/push?y=26" target="_blank">zuvio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 少</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benen/push?y=26" target="_blank">benen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘉澤沒啥好講的，你的主機打開裡面就嘉澤的產品</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/16 01:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不同的AI都有一樣的回答，說貝爾跟貿聯根本是不同</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/16 05:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 性質的產品，一個只做connector，一個做「模組」。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前者誰做毛利都會很高，但不容易做大，所以很純的AI</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 產品，but 營收是貿聯1/15，後者誰做要有30%以上的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 毛利已可以稱為神話，但可以做大，所以營收是貝爾</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的15倍。同樣產品線龍頭公司的毛利會輸給不是龍頭</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 的毛利?當每個爬上龍頭的公司都是塑膠嗎？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rosenzulu/push?y=26" target="_blank">rosenzulu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲多少了… 這什麼理由</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/16 06:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上面有人說這產品誰做毛利都很高根本是個笑話？高</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/16 09:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 度客製化的產品誰都能做？貝爾威勒就是因為打入輝</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 達等一線大廠的供應鏈 且產品技術門檻高 傳輸高速</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 且耐高電流 且品質符合一線科技大廠的需求 別人才</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會找你做客製化產品好嗎？真以為誰來做毛利都高？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 首先你要有能力做好嗎？而且貝爾有很多專利反向授</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 權給國際大廠 代表該公司的研發能力很好 先搞懂ABC</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真以為誰來做毛利率都能到57%？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講得好像手上現金有幾百億的龍頭一定做不出來的樣子</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 10:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ～你去了解模組的零組件含不含毛利破6、7成的 conne</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ctor，這支的支持者一直拿貿聯在比價，覺得毛利是貿</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聯2倍，認為這家才有資格稱為有技術的龍頭，也真是</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolo0129/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolo0129</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 夠了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good10740/push?y=26" target="_blank">good10740</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 37樓有料 3Q</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 12:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦上面的貿聯愛好者覺得貿聯毛利率只有貝爾的</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 14:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一半好棒棒的就繼續持有貿聯就好，我們貝爾威勒的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股東比較笨 不買毛利率不到30%的龍頭貿聯 去買毛利</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 率57%的貝爾威勒 不是毛利率高就贏喔 不是喔！ 和</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貿聯吹說一下 給你們一個心理建設 貝爾第二季的單</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 季eps很高機率就超過貿聯了 你們貿聯龍頭繼續抱緊</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 喔</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說個讓貿聯吹更不甘心的 我預測貿聯和貝爾的股價很</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kai9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">kai9527</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快就會黃金交叉</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/theta4719/push?y=26" target="_blank">theta4719</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有料喔 來看這兩家哪一家先下去</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 15:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frozen/push?y=26" target="_blank">frozen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 這裡也能有情勒文</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 17:30</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> joanzkow. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Uz 2026-05-15T22:05:08+08:00 2026-05-16T13:21:46+08:00

文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分 原文標題： 請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除 川普：對伊朗耐心消磨殆盡　中國同意須開放荷莫茲海峽 原文連結： 網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分。 https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202605150336.aspx 川普：對伊朗耐心消磨殆盡　中國同意須開放荷莫茲海峽 | 國際 | 中央社 CNA 美國總統川普表示，他對伊朗的耐心逐漸在消磨殆盡，與中國國家主席習近平在北京會談時，對方同意德黑蘭必須重新開放荷莫茲海峽。 ... 發布時間： 請勿張貼超過3天新聞 2026/5/15 21:27（5/15 21:29 更新） 記者署名： 編譯：何宏儒 原文內容： 川普：對伊朗耐心消磨殆盡　中國同意須開放荷莫茲海峽 2026/5/15 21:27（5/15 21:29 更新） （中央社空軍一號上15日綜合外電報導）美國總統川普表示，他對伊朗的耐心逐漸在消磨 殆盡，與中國國家主席習近平在北京會談時，對方同意德黑蘭必須重新開放荷莫茲海峽。 路透社報導，川普稍 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> joanzkow (星浪)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 川普：對伊朗耐心消磨殆盡　中國同意須開<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 22:05:08 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 川普：對伊朗耐心消磨殆盡　中國同意須開放荷莫茲海峽 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202605150336.aspx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202605150336.aspx</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202605150336.aspx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>川普：對伊朗耐心消磨殆盡　中國同意須開放荷莫茲海峽 | 國際 | 中央社 CNA</strong></a> 美國總統川普表示，他對伊朗的耐心逐漸在消磨殆盡，與中國國家主席習近平在北京會談時，對方同意德黑蘭必須重新開放荷莫茲海峽。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026/5/15 21:27（5/15 21:29 更新） <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 編譯：何宏儒 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 川普：對伊朗耐心消磨殆盡　中國同意須開放荷莫茲海峽 2026/5/15 21:27（5/15 21:29 更新） <div class="combine-lines">（中央社空軍一號上15日綜合外電報導）美國總統川普表示，他對伊朗的耐心逐漸在消磨 殆盡，與中國國家主席習近平在北京會談時，對方同意德黑蘭必須重新開放荷莫茲海峽。 路透社報導，川普稍後提到，他正在考慮是否解除於北京行之前對購買伊朗原油的中國煉 油企業實施的制裁。不過他的談話幾乎沒有透露出北京是否可能運用對德黑蘭的影響力， 協助化解這場衝突。</div> 川普今天在北京與習近平進行第2天會談，議題包括伊朗戰爭、台灣、貿易等。他於會後 表示：「我們解決了其他人無法解決的諸多問題。」 習近平未就川習會中關於伊朗的討論表態，中國外交部則在聲明中直陳對伊朗戰爭的挫折 感。中國外交部指出：「這場本不該發生的戰事沒有任何進行下去的必要。」 美國和以色列於2月28日對伊朗展開攻擊行動，德黑蘭以實質上關閉荷莫茲海峽（Strait of Hormuz）作出回應，導致全球能源供應遭遇史無前例中斷。（編譯：何宏儒）1150515 <a href="https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202605150336.aspx" target="_blank">https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202605150336.aspx</a> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 美中都同意的話，那海峽很快就會開啟了吧？ 那為什麼美股會跌呢？ 伊朗還撐得下去嗎？ 川普會加大力道結束這場戰爭嗎？ 怎麼看今晚的走勢？ <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.160.56 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: joanzkow 2026-05-15 22:05:08</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778853910.A.437.html" target="_blank">#1g1oWMGt (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778853910.A.437.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778853910.A.437.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利多出盡啊</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 22:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 廢物川普</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 22:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就現在雙方的經貿可能都只是一些小打小鬧表面上的</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 22:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ensidia/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ensidia</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 並沒有真正實質上的突破跟合作</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wilson1983/push?y=26" target="_blank">wilson1983</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗：我同意了嗎？</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/15 22:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ricky525/push?y=26" target="_blank">ricky525</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老共不知道有沒有要出兵 派航母艦隊下西洋</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 22:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國撤軍早就開放了啊 但如果是要伊朗無條件開放那</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 22:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就別想了 總是要有人買單伊朗的損失</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國小弟被揍爆還同意美國來揍自己小弟</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 22:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neomaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">neomaster</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次川習會談了什麼重要的協議???</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當小習朋友就是這麼可悲</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/strife/push?y=26" target="_blank">strife</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好 中美聯軍</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mune/push?y=26" target="_blank">mune</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來川普想拿那些CEO嚇唬老中 但看起來沒用</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neomaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">neomaster</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海峽要不要開要去拜會習 難怪被看沒有</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mune/push?y=26" target="_blank">mune</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該協議僅止於表面上的互惠 沒達成川要的大交易</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美股爆炸了 川寶再繼續搞</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kyameron/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kyameron</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普已經徵得習大哥的首肯要開放！！</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qweertyui891/push?y=26" target="_blank">qweertyui891</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶終於瘋了嗎</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 22:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lcy317/push?y=26" target="_blank">lcy317</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中概也跌。沒啥大合作吧</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 22:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okamifang/push?y=26" target="_blank">okamifang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以地面戰中國也要派兵嗎</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 22:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maxwell21/push?y=26" target="_blank">maxwell21</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海峽又不是中國的 拿中國出來說嘴</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 22:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺去那邊拍拍照而已 啥都沒談到</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 22:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JKjohnwick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JKjohnwick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 該不會只是去中國打卡吧?說好的合作呢</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 22:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iiverson649/push?y=26" target="_blank">iiverson649</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個id到底要看新聞猜漲跌到什麼時候？</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 22:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w78en/push?y=26" target="_blank">w78en</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以真的開放了嗎？還是只是幹話大賽？！</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 22:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CCNCCN/push?y=26" target="_blank">CCNCCN</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中概爆炸了 Xi再繼續搞</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 22:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wmtsung/push?y=26" target="_blank">wmtsung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國讓美國揍自己小弟算啥，美國都直接用關稅揍自</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 22:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wmtsung/push?y=26" target="_blank">wmtsung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 己小弟給中國下馬威的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roder/push?y=26" target="_blank">roder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利多出盡 丸子</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 22:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hsuanYue/push?y=26" target="_blank">hsuanYue</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99台股QQ</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 22:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kinve1014/push?y=26" target="_blank">kinve1014</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天晚上全面開崩啊</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 22:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Hina/push?y=26" target="_blank">Hina</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是阿 那你美國要自己解決阿 = =</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 22:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Hina/push?y=26" target="_blank">Hina</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是你要中國去跟伊朗開口哩</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Hina/push?y=26" target="_blank">Hina</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: +1 我也覺得這次沒談成什東西</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Seaware/push?y=26" target="_blank">Seaware</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: V舒服 空的機會又來了</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 22:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PeikangShin/push?y=26" target="_blank">PeikangShin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債：大der要奶了 要奶了</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 22:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普是中國的走狗嗎？</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 22:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zakijudelo/push?y=26" target="_blank">zakijudelo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國就是不敢打地面戰的小孬孬</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 22:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luche/push?y=26" target="_blank">luche</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普會變成美國衰退的火苗嗎=.=</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 22:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OnceAFreak/push?y=26" target="_blank">OnceAFreak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開盤跌到最低點撿了一堆個股正二 好爽</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 22:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FinallyPeace/push?y=26" target="_blank">FinallyPeace</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國有不同意過嗎？</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 22:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leo3258/push?y=26" target="_blank">leo3258</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打完人 又不想用人肉戰 射後不理的概念</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 22:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lc85301/push?y=26" target="_blank">lc85301</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰理你</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 22:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Roger5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">Roger5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國現在連轟炸都不太敢 怕伊朗防空實力偷偷升級</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 22:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OOCCO/push?y=26" target="_blank">OOCCO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 習近平答應什麼基本都是放屁啦，川普也沒在信道的</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 22:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn00715334/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn00715334</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國同意是暗示我中國的船能通過就好 憨川聽不懂嗎</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 22:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn00715334/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn00715334</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ！？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/matlab1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">matlab1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以中國官方消息為準 這咖造謠太多次了</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 22:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wangyl/push?y=26" target="_blank">wangyl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在很清楚是一郎說了算</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 22:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qk3380888/push?y=26" target="_blank">qk3380888</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被同意</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 22:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/negotiates/push?y=26" target="_blank">negotiates</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 22:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/searchroy/push?y=26" target="_blank">searchroy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒有互信基礎，去跟阿共吃一頓飯而已。</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 22:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/searchroy/push?y=26" target="_blank">searchroy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別來亞洲挑動戰爭。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/searchroy/push?y=26" target="_blank">searchroy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當前的問題，誤判伊朗，通膨起來了，如何解決？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/al311166/push?y=26" target="_blank">al311166</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼感覺是中要美去伊朗打個勝仗給大家看</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 22:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovehan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovehan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗沒同意 XD</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 22:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/carkyoing/push?y=26" target="_blank">carkyoing</a> </span></span><span 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class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ma721/push?y=26" target="_blank">ma721</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然要當你面 說不同意嗎</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 23:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗看起來五月底解決不了 美國經濟準備大烙賽</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 23:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/poetwang/push?y=26" target="_blank">poetwang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接把伊朗夷為平地了啦 歹戲拖棚</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/15 23:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nexerodo/push?y=26" target="_blank">nexerodo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗不是中國小弟欸</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 23:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david850914/push?y=26" target="_blank">david850914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中共自己也缺油 問題是伊朗變成土匪在亂</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 23:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j112233446/push?y=26" target="_blank">j112233446</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國當然想開啊</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 23:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 同意啊 但川寶你自己想辦法</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/16 00:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Noberman/push?y=26" target="_blank">Noberman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國講話的影響不太一樣喔</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 00:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gginin7878/push?y=26" target="_blank">gginin7878</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 靠杯中國真的有同意嗎XD</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 00:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lavign/push?y=26" target="_blank">lavign</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普屢次幫人同意的爛招，都會有白癡相信</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/16 00:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是川普幫台灣同意的，最後都會實現....</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/16 00:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rebel/push?y=26" target="_blank">rebel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我也同意阿 口頭上絕對支持美國打開海峽</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/16 00:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guanting886/push?y=26" target="_blank">guanting886</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中國為什麼不同意 伊朗欠中國一堆錢</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/16 02:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn02218236/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn02218236</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川寶請示完他的主...我是說好朋友了</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/16 03:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mike7689/push?y=26" target="_blank">mike7689</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前陣子伊朗外長訪中，中國就已經施壓伊朗：海峽必</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 03:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mike7689/push?y=26" target="_blank">mike7689</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 須開放，不能封鎖</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/neomaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">neomaster</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4月中費半從9000漲到現在12000 算崩嗎</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/16 05:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/unima/push?y=26" target="_blank">unima</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人家同意你賠款早日開放吧！</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/16 06:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newlie83/push?y=26" target="_blank">newlie83</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在就是白臉中國+黑臉伊朗 逼迫美國no card認輸</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 07:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newlie83/push?y=26" target="_blank">newlie83</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 另外一點 這次川普去中國談判(跪舔)可能沒拿到好處</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newlie83/push?y=26" target="_blank">newlie83</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為以川寶個性 如果有談成 早發文邀功了 但並沒有</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TSMininder/push?y=26" target="_blank">TSMininder</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 兩大贏家互相會面後的結果就是淫贏贏贏 贏到麻</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/16 07:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bleeza/push?y=26" target="_blank">bleeza</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股債匯三殺</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 08:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yymoya/push?y=26" target="_blank">yymoya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 堂堂強國，海峽要不要通，無法自己決定，難怪美債大</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 10:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yymoya/push?y=26" target="_blank">yymoya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/crazydj/push?y=26" target="_blank">crazydj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從來沒關過啊 付錢就能過了不是</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 11:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/missin/push?y=26" target="_blank">missin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是要看中俄檯面下與伊朗的實際互動</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 11:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamnook2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamnook2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵)譯：窩搞不定 維尼救命</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/16 12:16</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> steward135. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3U8 2026-05-15T21:27:24+08:00 2026-05-16T13:21:45+08:00

1. 標題：115年05月15日信用交易統計 2. 來源：臺灣證券交易所、證券櫃檯買賣中心 (公司名、網站名) 3. 網址：https://reurl.cc/E2xlzv 請善用縮網址工具 4. 內文： 115年05月15日信用交易統計 項目 買進 賣出 現金(券)償還 前日餘額 今日餘額 融資(交易單位) 577,409 632,906 6,237 9,100,432 9,038,698 融券(交易單位) 19,774 30,192 7,771 229,030 231,677 融資金額(仟元) 41,291,386 47,241,605 387,527 499,134,883 492,797,137 資減 63.38 億 券增 2,647 張 上次融資單日減少超過50億：115年5月8日 ================================= 00403A主動統一升 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> steward135 (逆風高飛)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [情報] 115年05月15日信用交易統計<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 21:27:24 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 1. 標題：115年05月15日信用交易統計 2. 來源：臺灣證券交易所、證券櫃檯買賣中心 (公司名、網站名) 3. 網址：<a href="https://reurl.cc/E2xlzv" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://reurl.cc/E2xlzv</a> <a href="https://reurl.cc/V3AOXA" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">請善用縮網址工具</a> 4. 內文： 115年05月15日信用交易統計 <div class="ansi_group" data-img="" data-width="0" data-height="0"><div class="ansi">項目 買進 賣出 現金(券)償還 前日餘額 今日餘額</div> <div class="ansi">融資(交易單位) 577,409 632,906 6,237 9,100,432 9,038,698</div> <div class="ansi">融券(交易單位) 19,774 30,192 7,771 229,030 231,677</div> </div> 融資金額(仟元) 41,291,386 47,241,605 387,527 499,134,883 492,797,137 <span style="color:#00F000">資減 63.38 億</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 2,647 張</span> <span style="color:#008080">上次融資單日減少超過50億：115年5月8日</span> ================================= <span style="color:#F0F000">00403A主動統一升級50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 9,401 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 2,480 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">00632R元大台灣50反1</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 14,233 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 130 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">00664R國泰臺灣加權反1</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 5,745 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 77 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">00631L元大台灣50正2</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 5,857 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 1,531 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">00981A主動統一台股增長</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 1,671 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 1,345 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">00988A主動統一全球創新</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 6,708 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 2,776 張</span> ================================= <span style="color:#F0F000">2330台積電</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 374 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 2 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2303聯電</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 10,016 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 120 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2454聯發科</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 60 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 28 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2317鴻海</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 1,674 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 122 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">6770力積電</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 5,122 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 56 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">3481群創</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 10,359 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 868 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2409友達</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 10,084 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 541 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2344華邦電</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 12,470 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 897 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2408南亞科</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 5,616 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 379 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2337旺宏</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 6,120 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 276 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2327國巨*</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 4,191 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 85 張</span> <span class="fgY1 bgR">2464盟立</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 1,222 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 149 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2382廣達</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 2,119 張</span> <span style="color:#00F000">券減 5 張</span> <span style="color:#F0F000">2376技嘉</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 2,257 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 14 張</span> ================================= <span style="color:#F0F000">櫃買信用交易統計</span> <span style="color:#00F000">資減 42.22 億</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 2,401 張</span> <span class="fgY1 bgR">6147頎邦</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 3,822 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 532 張</span> <span class="fgY1 bgG">3081聯亞</span> <span style="color:#F00000">資增 32 張</span> <span style="color:#F00000">券增 147 張</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.224.114.109 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: steward135 2026-05-15 21:27:24</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778851646.A.E36.html" target="_blank">#1g1ny-us (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a 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href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 融資也跑太快了吧</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 21:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Cartier/push?y=26" target="_blank">Cartier</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散戶有預兆，知道今天美股會大跌，讓傻多在山頂洗碗</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 21:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dbdudsorj/push?y=26" target="_blank">dbdudsorj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒用了 -60太少</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 21:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NEX4036/push?y=26" target="_blank">NEX4036</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年底看7萬 怕什麼 現在才剛開始 明年看12萬</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 21:52</span></div> 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class="push-right">61F 05/15 21:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vincent0911x/push?y=26" target="_blank">vincent0911x</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波融資很聰明</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 21:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GAP5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">GAP5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上市櫃加總資減百億</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/15 21:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cct1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">cct1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跑得很快</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 21:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼跑了</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 21:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/msnc3mi/push?y=26" target="_blank">msnc3mi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空蛙 偉大的時候來了</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 22:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YHOTV4096/push?y=26" target="_blank">YHOTV4096</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 滑溜融資，連法人主力都覺得傷腦筋。</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 22:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dasuperray/push?y=26" target="_blank">dasuperray</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聰明融資 下禮拜繼續跑XD</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 22:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/futley/push?y=26" target="_blank">futley</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有4900億，還早</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 22:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/futley/push?y=26" target="_blank">futley</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 起碼減肥到3000億以下才健康</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/denny2000/push?y=26" target="_blank">denny2000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哎 今天跟著砍阿呆谷了@@</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 22:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lesnaree2/push?y=26" target="_blank">lesnaree2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還敢資增阿</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 22:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/henry90254/push?y=26" target="_blank">henry90254</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 水喔，融資下降了</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 22:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/inuyaksa/push?y=26" target="_blank">inuyaksa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 融資不準啦 水面下的質壓信貸各種貸不知到有多少</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 22:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zeus7668/push?y=26" target="_blank">zeus7668</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 減的沒想像多耶</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 22:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小兒:我只賣一點你們跑真快</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 22:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OGoTTe/push?y=26" target="_blank">OGoTTe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比較好奇韓股的融資殺了多少</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 22:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/agvnol/push?y=26" target="_blank">agvnol</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不夠不夠</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 22:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abbag/push?y=26" target="_blank">abbag</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當大家都跑的時候，就準備要……</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/15 22:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsai18/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsai18</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 6147今天盤中太扯</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/15 22:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lweis/push?y=26" target="_blank">lweis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺殺不夠多</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/15 22:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Boyzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Boyzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聰明融資</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/15 22:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/largan6075/push?y=26" target="_blank">largan6075</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A貪狗還不死心</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 22:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bndan/push?y=26" target="_blank">bndan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資還沒認真開賣 融資就跑了+反手做空 XD</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/15 22:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Healine/push?y=26" target="_blank">Healine</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 肉鬆這麼爛 還有人敢抄底？</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 22:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/whyhsu/push?y=26" target="_blank">whyhsu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大小</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 22:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chachabo/push?y=26" target="_blank">chachabo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99群聯</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/15 22:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sheep125/push?y=26" target="_blank">sheep125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第四頁跟今天的股市一樣綠WWWWWWWWW</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/15 22:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tony32135/push?y=26" target="_blank">tony32135</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: V啦</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/15 22:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DolphinCP/push?y=26" target="_blank">DolphinCP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才這樣？ 沒殺意</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/15 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/white1861/push?y=26" target="_blank">white1861</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要繼續殺</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/15 22:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聰明融資怕週末鬼故事先跑</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/15 22:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zebirlin/push?y=26" target="_blank">zebirlin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股癌自己都在用融資,現在融資反而代表主力大戶</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/15 23:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼殺個一滴汁都不流阿</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/15 23:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ma721/push?y=26" target="_blank">ma721</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 6147 完了小心</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/15 23:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也跑太快</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/15 23:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chuzan/push?y=26" target="_blank">chuzan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美股回檔中,聰明的融資先跑了</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/15 23:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BoyRock/push?y=26" target="_blank">BoyRock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5000E麥驚阿</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/15 23:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wulaw5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">wulaw5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還真是融資人踩人</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/15 23:57</span></div> <span class="record">※ 編輯: steward135 (36.224.114.109 臺灣), 05/16/2026 00:13:37</span> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/WhaleYu/push?y=26" target="_blank">WhaleYu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聰明融資</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 00:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yipi1357/push?y=26" target="_blank">yipi1357</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聰明融資跑得真快</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 00:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cake10414/push?y=26" target="_blank">cake10414</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聰明???</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 01:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eemail/push?y=26" target="_blank">eemail</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早盤跑的叫聰明沒錯</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 07:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yun1019/push?y=26" target="_blank">yun1019</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99公公 555</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 09:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knus789369/push?y=26" target="_blank">knus789369</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太聰明了 資減券增</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 11:58</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> threshnccu. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3UC 2026-05-15T20:41:33+08:00 2026-05-16T20:16:05+08:00

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亞洲盤崩跌！金價失守4700美元「暗無天日」 https://news.ebc.net.tw/news/business/551773 亞洲盤崩跌！金價失守4700美元「暗無天日」｜東森新聞 黃金價格頹勢持續擴大！今（15）日亞洲交易時段，金價再度走跌，一度逼近每盎司4,600美元大關。受中東衝突爆發影響，金價走勢震盪，累計下跌約12%。專家示警，在 ... 2026-05-15 13:05 東森新聞 黃金價格頹勢持續擴大！今（15）日亞洲交易時段，金價再度走跌，一度逼近每盎司 4,600美元大關。受中東衝突爆發影響，金價走勢震盪，累計下跌約12%。專家示警，在多 重不利因素打擊下，若地緣政治危機未能解除，黃金恐面臨更大幅度的下跌壓力。 今開盤金價低點觸及4607美元 綜合《彭博》與《路透》報導，黃金已連續三個交易日走低。昨（14）日現貨金價正式失 守每盎司4,700美元關卡，隨後一路下滑收在4,660美元附近；今日開盤崩勢未止，低點一 度觸及每盎司4,607.26美元，市場觀望氣氛濃厚，黃金牛市正承受極限考驗。 通膨疑慮與美元走強成重傷主因 KCM Trade首席市場分析師Tim ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> humbler (獸人H)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 亞洲盤崩跌！金價失守4700美元「暗無天<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 20:34:59 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 亞洲盤崩跌！金價失守4700美元「暗無天日」 <a href="https://news.ebc.net.tw/news/business/551773" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://news.ebc.net.tw/news/business/551773</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://news.ebc.net.tw/news/business/551773" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>亞洲盤崩跌！金價失守4700美元「暗無天日」｜東森新聞</strong></a> <a href="https://news.ebc.net.tw/news/business/551773" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="628" style="width:1200px;height:628px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://img.news.ebc.net.tw/EbcNews/news/2026/05/15/1778849664_16633.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>黃金價格頹勢持續擴大！今（15）日亞洲交易時段，金價再度走跌，一度逼近每盎司4,600美元大關。受中東衝突爆發影響，金價走勢震盪，累計下跌約12%。專家示警，在 ...</div></div> </div> 2026-05-15 13:05 東森新聞 黃金價格頹勢持續擴大！今（15）日亞洲交易時段，金價再度走跌，一度逼近每盎司 4,600美元大關。受中東衝突爆發影響，金價走勢震盪，累計下跌約12%。專家示警，在多 重不利因素打擊下，若地緣政治危機未能解除，黃金恐面臨更大幅度的下跌壓力。 今開盤金價低點觸及4607美元 <div class="combine-lines">綜合《彭博》與《路透》報導，黃金已連續三個交易日走低。昨（14）日現貨金價正式失 守每盎司4,700美元關卡，隨後一路下滑收在4,660美元附近；今日開盤崩勢未止，低點一 度觸及每盎司4,607.26美元，市場觀望氣氛濃厚，黃金牛市正承受極限考驗。</div> 通膨疑慮與美元走強成重傷主因 <div class="combine-lines">KCM Trade首席市場分析師Tim Waterer分析，黃金正遭受「四面八方」的夾擊。隨著油價 上漲使通膨議題重回焦點，進而推高收益率與美元匯率，市場對降息前景產生懷疑，讓黃 金成為情緒變化的不幸受害者。</div> 專家：衝突未解金價難見天日 <div class="combine-lines">道明證券（TD Securities）全球大宗商品策略主管Bart Melek明確指出，若中東衝突遲 遲無法解決，金價可能進一步大幅下跌。此外，荷姆茲海峽目前仍未開放，能源成本與通 </div> 貨膨脹的持續上升，對黃金未來的避險吸引力與價格前景十分不利。 心得/評論： 黃金暴跌中 目前已跌破4600 4500看起來也很危險 黃金從高點跌幅已經超過20% 已經進入熊市 最大原因就是市場認為美國今年不會降息 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- 如果還有來世，我想當一個獸人 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.169.210.194 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: humbler 2026-05-15 20:34:59</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778848503.A.201.html" target="_blank">#1g1nBt81 (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778848503.A.201.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778848503.A.201.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金蟲死了</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 20:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bcismylove/push?y=26" target="_blank">bcismylove</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2000收</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 20:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/distantblc/push?y=26" target="_blank">distantblc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好耶~</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 20:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SphereDavid/push?y=26" target="_blank">SphereDavid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來4700叫失守</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 20:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jokem/push?y=26" target="_blank">jokem</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩在哪</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/15 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunnywing/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunnywing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是人人買在最高點嗎</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/deepelves/push?y=26" target="_blank">deepelves</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股崩債崩金崩，還能怎麼辦?</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 20:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JiangDong/push?y=26" target="_blank">JiangDong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金銀銅鐵娃</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/15 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全崩 又現金為王？ 美元指數？</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 20:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azcooper/push?y=26" target="_blank">azcooper</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金下看500</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 20:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linjoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">linjoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 山頂金蟲下不了台了ORZ</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnSick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnSick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在不就地緣政治這樣，金價才長這樣，不然怎有可</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 20:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnSick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnSick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能4000多。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keineAhnung/push?y=26" target="_blank">keineAhnung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想到之前股版有D能兒說台積電會跟黃金一樣就好笑</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 21:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ppmaker/push?y=26" target="_blank">ppmaker</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金銀蟲全線死亡</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 21:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Moon0/push?y=26" target="_blank">Moon0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說穿了沒有任何改變，但是金價卻變了很多</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 21:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnSick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnSick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 避險需求（地緣政治與經濟不確定性）</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 21:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnSick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnSick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當全球面臨戰爭、中東等區域衝突，或是貿易摩擦與經</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnSick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnSick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 濟衰退風險時，市場情緒會轉向保守。資金為了尋求安</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnSick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnSick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全港灣，會大量湧入黃金。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 各位觀眾，獸開始洗黃金文了。知道該怎麼做了吧？</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 21:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnSick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnSick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這AI說的，我黃金存摺入手1公克1358。</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 21:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 市場都壓住升息了</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 21:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/f204137/push?y=26" target="_blank">f204137</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金漲 地緣政治危機 黃金跌 也是 地緣政治危機喔?</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 21:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金的熊市只會發生在全球經濟擴張時期…</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 21:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 空蛙愉悅之舞</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 21:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Muilie/push?y=26" target="_blank">Muilie</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/BXMRgkco.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/BXMRgkco.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 21:24</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/BXMRgkco.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="800" style="width:800px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_BXMRgkco.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/npc776/push?y=26" target="_blank">npc776</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 啥 地緣政治危機該漲才對吧 跌不就代表沒人要避險</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 21:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4500是上次低點 看有沒有撐</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 21:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chinaeatshit/push?y=26" target="_blank">chinaeatshit</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華許都準備上任了 降息妥妥的 一次降四碼輕輕鬆鬆</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 21:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/four5/push?y=26" target="_blank">four5</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記者顯然不知道自己在掰啥</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 21:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 世界避險資產是GG</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 21:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金價超過4500的部分主要是投機熱錢，所以回測4500</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 21:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 代表熱錢開始閃了。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 地緣政治造成金價從2000漲到4000，已經充分反映</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aikotoba/push?y=26" target="_blank">aikotoba</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今日最低4512 上次4500一個超級大反轉噴到4800 這次</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 21:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aikotoba/push?y=26" target="_blank">aikotoba</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不知道如何</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xeins/push?y=26" target="_blank">xeins</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美債利率創新高 沒人想買 正好低接黃金啊</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 22:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xeins/push?y=26" target="_blank">xeins</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 平常發薪水不買 漲到5000才要買 瘋了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tiffanycute/push?y=26" target="_blank">tiffanycute</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金跌 股票跌 世界末日了吧！</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 22:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abbag/push?y=26" target="_blank">abbag</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ID 正確 XD</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 22:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/undeadmask/push?y=26" target="_blank">undeadmask</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去年買的現在都還在高處震盪好不好</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneeyewolf/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneeyewolf</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌回1500再靠腰吧</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 22:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今年美國降息無望 金價4000到4500震盪吧</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 22:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記者又在瞎扯一通XDD</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 23:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ColdM/push?y=26" target="_blank">ColdM</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲跌 都是事後找理由而已 說穿了沒實質變化</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 23:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xxxg00w0/push?y=26" target="_blank">xxxg00w0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4700叫失守?印象中疫情前還疫情期間 一千八就喊天價</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/15 23:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xxxg00w0/push?y=26" target="_blank">xxxg00w0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 果然被我找到讓獸人自刪文的關鍵了</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 23:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 清流君說黃金是垃圾，但是2025年垃圾黃金的年報酬率</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 屌打0050，那0050是垃圾不如嗎？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.meee.com.tw/erAMfLh.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.meee.com.tw/erAMfLh.png</a></span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 清流君說黃金會跌到地板價463元，但兩年過了黃金</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還在4500以上。<a href="https://i.meee.com.tw/oeMzjNc.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.meee.com.tw/oeMzjNc.png</a></span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://meee.com.tw/erAMfLh" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1198" data-ori_h="800" style="width:1198px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.meee.com.tw/erAMfLh.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a> <a href="https://meee.com.tw/oeMzjNc" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1207" data-ori_h="800" style="width:1207px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.meee.com.tw/oeMzjNc.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 清流君還預測黃金的天花板價2750元。</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 23:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.meee.com.tw/t2rtGkC.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.meee.com.tw/t2rtGkC.png</a></span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我發現只要在留言抨擊清流君，獸人就會偷偷的自刪文</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 獸人你該不會就是清流君本人吧？</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://meee.com.tw/t2rtGkC" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1204" data-ori_h="800" style="width:1204px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.meee.com.tw/t2rtGkC.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/achinyu/push?y=26" target="_blank">achinyu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 特定意圖很明顯</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 23:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/horb/push?y=26" target="_blank">horb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小漲300% 大跌20%</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/15 23:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YuSeaFood/push?y=26" target="_blank">YuSeaFood</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去年買的黃金 基金目前+90%放著不用怕</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 23:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sell504387/push?y=26" target="_blank">sell504387</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三胎房貸炸了 要露宿街頭了啦</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/16 00:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實就算今年初買的黃金，現在也還是賺錢的...</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/16 00:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年初價格是4322</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kurenaiz/push?y=26" target="_blank">kurenaiz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: off太厲害了吧</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/16 05:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年初也要看哪個年初 一月12日買就是賠錢的</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/16 06:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一買12日買一克4687元 昨日賣一克4631元 賠!</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/slimu0001/push?y=26" target="_blank">slimu0001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 竟然還有$4700</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/16 06:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今年最低價在1月2日 買進1克4436元 昨日賣1克4631元</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/16 06:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4631/4436 = 1.0439 也不過賺那可憐的4.39趴</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還要選對日子才能賺 1月12日以後買就是賠的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看看台積電，今年年初買進，現在都賺50趴了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎樣還有臉吹黃金啊? 還說今年初買的都賺喔? 笑死</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣都能吹? 不愧是逢金必吹的金佬</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把黃金當成股票來炒，也難怪整天盯著最高價在揮</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/16 08:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你怎麼不在5月7號買台積電阿~</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼會看日子買股票，怎麼不去炒比特幣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼會事後諸葛，怎麼不去買1485的聯發科</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過去黃金低價你說你買不到，聯發科總買得到了吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反駁愈來愈沒料了 我明明是說台積電不需看日子買都</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/16 09:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那你就多買一點台積電阿~有人阻止你嗎</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/16 09:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實沒人在意你買不買台積電...我說真的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能賺! 反而是黃金還特別需要挑1月2日買才能符合金佬</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/16 09:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看到黃金關鍵字就一定會看到你出來狂罵，這算是</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/16 09:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 制約反應嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說的今年初買都是賺的唷 還是可憐的4.39趴獲利</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/16 09:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰跟你挑1月2日阿買阿..你知道甚麼叫YTM嗎</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/16 09:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每年的績效當然從每年的第一天開始從新算起，免得</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是 是看到有人講的笑話 必須反駁</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/16 09:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你老是忿忿不平大佬早年買入黃金成本低，你來不及</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/16 09:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看到有人講的笑話必須反駁才是我的制約反應</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/16 09:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 參與阿。反倒是你還刻意挑1月12日買黃金，真的很好</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/16 09:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑耶~你要不要乾脆看農民曆投資阿</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 另外聯發科我的確有買啊 斷斷續續賺了13萬吧</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/16 09:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以就說你是被制約阿 聽過巴夫洛夫狗的實驗嗎</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/16 09:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搖搖鈴鐺，口水就流出來了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 刻意挑1月12日買黃金? 看不懂我的話喔?</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/16 09:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 「還要選對日子才能賺 1月12日以後買就是賠的」這句</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/16 09:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1月12日不是刻意挑的 是1月12號以後買都是賠的</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/16 09:06</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你怎麼會誤解成刻意挑1月12日買黃金?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是你講的嗎？我在講YTD你在挑1月12日，都不知道</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/16 09:07</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼跟你對話了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反而是要特意挑1月2號才能符合你所說的今年初買都賺</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/16 09:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要不要再看一次你在講甚麼阿</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/16 09:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是少的可憐的4.39趴 還要吹喔</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 09:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那5月11號之後買聯發科也都是賠的阿~否認嗎？</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 09:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 推文太亂了 等你一次回完我再一次兔槽你</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 09:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4.39%又怎麼了~買黃金的動機本來就跟股票不一樣</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 09:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以我才說你這麼愛追求短期報酬率，怎麼不去炒幣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是你又要說，比特幣你也有買 賺了十幾萬？</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我買黃金關你屁事啊~</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我有勸你買過黃金嗎？是你莫名其妙就跳出來纏著我耶</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 廢話 5月11號才4天前 哪有只拿4天前來説嘴?</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/16 09:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你自己來不及參與黃金過去的漲幅，又不是我的錯</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 09:12</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去怪你媽這麼晚才生你才對吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金1月30日黃金5600 都套3個月了 你怎麼不講?</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 09:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你都會嫌4天短，那你怎麼不從2023年開始看?</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 09:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拿4天前的連發科來講 笑死</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 09:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你當時沒買黃金是你的問題，世界又不會因為你而停</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/16 09:13</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下腳步。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說到底，你就是個買了黃金之後沒賺到大錢，然後就&#039;</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都說過了 我沒有辦法坐時光機回2023年買黃金</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/16 09:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 惱羞成怒到處找人出氣阿。</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/16 09:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你有時光機就去買1元的比特幣啦，買黃金幹嘛</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼老是拿以前黃金漲幅來説嘴?</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/16 09:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比特幣從1美元漲到12萬美元，你沒買到不就氣死人</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 09:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我從以前就開始投資黃金，為什麼不能講以前的漲幅</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對我來說 我的財產就是增加了 雖然我不會分你就是</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 金佬講不過別人就拿以前漲幅説嘴</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 09:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你還沒開始投資的時候 我就已經開始投資了，你沒有</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 09:15</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買黃金是你的事，又不是我害的，關我屁事</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你買到4500的黃金沒賺到大錢，也是你的事吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後講聯發科就拿5月11號來講也是套!</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 09:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我繼續持有我的黃金，也是我自己的事。我可沒有叫</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 09:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金1月30日黃金5600 都套3個月了 你怎麼不講?</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/16 09:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要跟著我買黃金喔</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/16 09:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 標準不一就是你的特點</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 09:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我要講甚麼？黃金價格回調關我甚麼事情啊~~你要賣</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/16 09:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就賣，不賣的人就不要賣，你住海邊嗎~管這麼寬~</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是吐槽你的滿嘴謊言 怎會變成我要跟你買黃金?</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/16 09:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聯發科連跌三天，也沒看你講個屁阿</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 09:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我哪一句謊言了？我講的都是歷史數據，你不要黃金</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒賺到錢就開始抹黑人啊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聯發科連跌三天 黃金連跌3個月</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/16 09:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼好意思拿聯發科來根黃金比?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那全世界投資標的都丟掉，只留聯發科就可以啦~</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/16 09:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我抹黑你? 你不就是標準不一加滿嘴謊言嗎?</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/16 09:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正你的認知就是只有短期間的報酬率</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/16 09:20</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看吧~講不出我哪裡說謊，就只會人身攻擊</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我就問妳我哪一句謊言？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明明是你先提聯發科的 現在又變全世界只留聯發科?</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/16 09:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我又不認識你，從一開始就是你黃金沒賺錢，然後跑</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/16 09:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來找我盧洨出氣吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要不要看誰先提聯發科的?</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/16 09:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你．黃．金．沒．賺．到．錢．不．是．我．的．錯</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/16 09:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: offstage:過去黃金低價你說你買不到，聯發科總買得</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/16 09:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去．怪．你．媽．沒．有．把．你．早．點．生．出來</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/16 09:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金跑了兩年的大多頭，你只看現在這個階段</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後我才跟你說我有買聯發科的</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/16 09:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼又變成全世界就只買聯發科就好了? 笑死</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以你聽不懂我在諷刺你喔~就只會看短線波動該該叫</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/16 09:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然我換比特幣好了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己先提聯發科的 被我打臉 又翻臉 笑死</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/16 09:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你到底懂不懂被嘲諷的點啊~</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/16 09:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼跟黃金嘴空哥一樣 扯到後來就只會 笑死 笑死</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (應該不是同一個人齁?)</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金1月30日5600 已經3個月了 就不叫短線波動喔</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/16 09:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我第一筆黃金交易價格是700多元，你覺得三個月很長?</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/16 09:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到年底都還可能連5000都過不了 這叫短期波動?</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/16 09:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你有賺到錢 以前購入的價格低 還可以等</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你可以看衰黃金沒關係啊~跟我又沒甚麼關係~</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/16 09:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就只是大家知道你黃金沒賺到錢氣噗噗而已</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金論壇上多的是你這種人，見多了啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你叫新手在那邊等 套一整年 會不會太不近人情?</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/16 09:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有人從1800元就開始詛咒黃金了，你還早得很</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/16 09:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不但買黃金太晚，連唱空黃金都太晚了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要不要等是你自己的決定，不要賴別人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 然後新手不依 罵黃金爛 你就放大決:怎不2023年買?</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/16 09:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我沒有叫你5500買黃金，也沒有叫你不要賣黃金</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/16 09:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要亂造謠~ 你這才是標準的滿嘴謊言</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把你沒賺到黃金的氣出在我身上</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 新手買甚麼都可能被套牢，新手現在買聯發科一樣被套</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我要能坐時光機回2023 也是買台積電啦 誰你買黃金?</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/16 09:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先事聲明，你如果買聯發科被套，絕對不是我的錯喔</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/16 09:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聯發科只是舉例，我完全沒有叫你買，也沒叫你不要賣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我就新手 我就買聯發科 我就賺啊</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/16 09:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要將來又開始找人出氣了</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/16 09:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還說什麼新手現在買聯發科一樣被套? 5月11日也拿來</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/16 09:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很少阿~少年股神~給你拍拍手~記得信貸+質押幹下去~</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/16 09:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講? 有夠LOw的</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/16 09:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很好啊</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/16 09:31</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比起在哪邊5000過不了，到底誰比較low阿~</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過我說啦~因為黃金沒賺到錢就開始咒黃金的，你也</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是第一個啦..</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投資除了看運氣，人品也很重要。人品好，財運來。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連發科4天前被套也拿來講 黃金套4個月了你卻在吹?</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/16 09:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你心中老是抱著怨氣，一心只想咒別人套牢賠錢，這樣</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/16 09:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要這麼偏頗也真的不容易</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/16 09:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 財神看到你也先退三步了。</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/16 09:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連發科4天前被套也拿來講 黃金套4個月了你卻在吹?</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/16 09:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要這麼偏頗也真的不容易</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒辦法，我跟你的投資生命週期差太多了，視野不一樣</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/16 09:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才正常吧。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你回我這句就好了!</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/16 09:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在我看來，四天跟四個月根本沒有差別，投資是持續的</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/16 09:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我回你哪句還要你限定範圍喔？世界真的不是繞著你</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在轉的啦...哀~我這句話說好多遍了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在又說4個月跟4天沒差了 人生有給個4個月?</span><span class="push-right">208F 05/16 09:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾個4個月?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看得出來 你都是用偏頗的角度在吹黃金</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好吧，你的人生沒幾個四個月，可以了吧。</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/16 09:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聯發科 你就用極其嚴苛的角度說5月11日買的也被套</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/16 09:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼，我講個事實就變成即期嚴苛了喔</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/16 09:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你愛講黃金5500，卻不讓人講聯發科3985</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雙標仔嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講到黃金被套4個月就用極期寬鬆的標準說要放長線</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/16 09:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要看短期!</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我不是說了嗎，四天跟四個月是一樣的，所以我標準</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/16 09:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一致阿~是你的標準不一致，還說你人生沒幾個四個月</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我要是信你的話 就準備被套死吧</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/16 09:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我都不敢這樣講耶</span><span class="push-right">221F 05/16 09:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以反駁你的話 跟你對著做才是正確的</span><span class="push-right">222F 05/16 09:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要自己立flag啦..我向來都祝大家炒股票賺大錢</span><span class="push-right">223F 05/16 09:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你聯發科會不會套死，請自己判斷，我沒有影響你喔</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的喔~~不要哪天又賠錢跑來找我出氣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟我對著做，那你要不要買一百萬的黃金反1 ETF</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我做聯發科就賺啊 3000以上我就不追高</span><span class="push-right">227F 05/16 09:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上一個黃金嘴空哥也是講到這邊就不敢賭了</span><span class="push-right">228F 05/16 09:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要不要繼承他的遺志阿</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 同一樣一個我做聯發科就賺 做黃金就不賺</span><span class="push-right">230F 05/16 09:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以我說嘛~你就是做黃金沒賺錢氣噗噗所以找人出氣</span><span class="push-right">231F 05/16 09:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我做黃金一樣不追高啊 過5000以上就不追了</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/16 09:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結果還不是被套! 只是沒賠而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 倒是讓我想起來，黃金嘴空哥是不是被水桶阿，感覺</span><span class="push-right">234F 05/16 09:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 後來都沒看到他的回文，然後你就突然出現了？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 徨金就是爛啊 不能講啊</span><span class="push-right">236F 05/16 09:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 既然你這麼斬釘截鐵說跟我對著做才是正確，那下周</span><span class="push-right">237F 05/16 09:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一我買黃金現貨，你買黃金反1 ETF，可以吧？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 觀察力有夠差的 我以前是信黃金的那群人</span><span class="push-right">239F 05/16 09:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當然可以講啊~全世界都知道你黃金沒賺到錢生氣氣</span><span class="push-right">240F 05/16 09:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪篇獸人的黃金文沒看到你的推文？怎麼會不能講</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就因為罵黃金 就說我是嘴空哥</span><span class="push-right">242F 05/16 09:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那恭喜你現在改信台積電跟聯發科~</span><span class="push-right">243F 05/16 09:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不是嘴空哥，你是嘴崩哥，你比他崩潰多了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我反駁你都有數據的喔</span><span class="push-right">245F 05/16 09:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你只是在堆著空氣反駁，還自以為反駁到我喔</span><span class="push-right">246F 05/16 09:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 同樣一個我 同樣策略 做黃金沒賺 做股票賺</span><span class="push-right">247F 05/16 09:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你只是一再重複 你買黃金沒賺到錢 買股票有賺到錢啊</span><span class="push-right">248F 05/16 09:45</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 關我屁事啊...</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今年以來電子股這麼旺，哪個做電子股沒賺到錢的</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣還不能罵黃金爛?</span><span class="push-right">251F 05/16 09:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連我這種不太碰股票的，這個月都賺一百多萬了</span><span class="push-right">252F 05/16 09:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看~你又在自己紮稻草人打了，有人說你不能罵黃金爛</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以黃金就是爛啊 爛標的還要看長期喔?</span><span class="push-right">254F 05/16 09:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗎？有人阻止你抱怨黃金沒讓你賺到錢嗎？沒有嘛</span><span class="push-right">255F 05/16 09:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以我說你是被制約阿，看到黃金文就要出來氣噗噗</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我沒說錯吧</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果能做時光機回2023 也是買台積 不是黃金啦</span><span class="push-right">258F 05/16 09:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我是看你在那邊吹爛標的 出來反駁幾句也不行嗎?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反駁幾句 = 制約?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以我說你只是黃金沒賺到錢氣噗噗，沒說錯嘛</span><span class="push-right">261F 05/16 09:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你的幾句 跟一般人的 幾句 數量顯然不一樣呢</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過反正獸人過一陣子就會偷偷刪文，也沒證據就是</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以你自己也買股票啊 怎不把全部錢都投入黃金?</span><span class="push-right">264F 05/16 09:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘴巴在那邊吹黃金 身體很誠實買股票?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是說黃金4300後悔沒多買些黃金? 現在4500了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 結果不趁低多買些黃金 反而把錢投入股市</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以我說阿~你真的搞不清楚狀況就出來亂找人出氣</span><span class="push-right">268F 05/16 09:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 標準的偽君子</span><span class="push-right">269F 05/16 09:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰跟你說買黃金就要歐印全部投入？你資產一點點的</span><span class="push-right">270F 05/16 09:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 話要歐印是你的自由，一般人做的是資產配置，根據</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你的風險偏好去投資在幾個不同的市場，以求整體的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩定性。算了，我才不要浪費時間幫你上課。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看~又人身攻擊了。我唯一的一篇黃金文還在板上，</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 累了 今天就先反駁到這裡 其他的留到明天在反駁</span><span class="push-right">275F 05/16 09:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你顯然是沒看過啦。所以我說你就只是黃金沒賺到錢</span><span class="push-right">276F 05/16 09:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 氣噗噗，想找出氣而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘴巴吹黃金 身體很誠實的買股票</span><span class="push-right">278F 05/16 09:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別人罵黃金就不行 就是貪婪只看短線</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我還強調不要歐印。</span><span class="push-right">280F 05/16 09:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貪婪看短線的不就是現在改炒股的你嘛？因為我說黃金</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看長線你就無法接受阿。幹嘛作賊喊抓賊</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你整個發言傳遞給大家的訊息就是:1.你是投資新手</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JohnSick/push?y=26" target="_blank">JohnSick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原來1.12以後買的人都會套牢...邏輯死亡。</span><span class="push-right">284F 05/16 09:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2.你先前聽信別人的說法在4500左右買入黃金 3.金價</span><span class="push-right">285F 05/16 09:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衝到5500的時候你沒有獲利了結. 4.現在金價漲不上去</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你很生氣 5.所以你怪罪長期持金的大佬</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 6.你宣稱跟我對做就會賺錢，那我說你買黃金反1，你</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就顧左右而言他，跟黃金嘴空哥一模一樣。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟你對做的意思是說你吹黃金 就就該把黃金丟掉</span><span class="push-right">290F 05/16 10:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我買黃金反1幹嘛? 黃金上上下下的 就算猜對邊</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 獲利也只夠買一杯涼水 那我幹嘛買黃金反1?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 理解力那麼差 又很愛標準不一的評論黃金跟聯發科</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 話說你不是說94趴的錢都買實體黃金了 你自己說的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼還錢買股票啊? 就算有 本金應該很少 還能獲利</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 100多萬 可見股市比黃金強多了 這樣還要吹黃金喔?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼還有錢買股票啊??&lt;--少一個「有」字</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 動不動就叫人買反1? 黃金爛到連浪費時間在反1我都沒</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 興趣了!</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能獲利100多萬 本金也不會少到哪去了 嘴巴吹黃金</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 身體很誠實的把資金都偷偷挪往股市 就不要騙說黃金</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以又改口黃金上上下下了？怎麼又改口了</span><span class="push-right">302F 05/16 10:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有多好了!</span><span class="push-right">303F 05/16 10:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你的邏輯真是滿滿的洞的~不愧是投資新手...</span><span class="push-right">304F 05/16 10:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在不就是4500~4700上上下下?</span><span class="push-right">305F 05/16 10:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別人的6%資金 遠比你的100%多 這很難懂嗎</span><span class="push-right">306F 05/16 10:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還比我買入價格更低 不過我已經脫手了</span><span class="push-right">307F 05/16 10:19</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我什麼時候改口過了?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以黃金上上下下，讓你很不開心，這樣嘛</span><span class="push-right">309F 05/16 10:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果我死抱著黃金 現在就虧損了</span><span class="push-right">310F 05/16 10:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你只想要投資標的買了之後只能暴漲不能跌嘛</span><span class="push-right">311F 05/16 10:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不只是上上下下 重點是比我買入價格夠低</span><span class="push-right">312F 05/16 10:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你的成本不是4500嗎？哪來的虧損？少賺就是虧損嘛</span><span class="push-right">313F 05/16 10:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以我才說你怎麼不說比特幣從1元漲到12萬元，虧死</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我的買入價格比你低，是我的錯嗎</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你現在是在怪我 買黃金的成本比你低嘛</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我沒有說一定要爆漲啊 我只要求不要套4個月</span><span class="push-right">317F 05/16 10:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又在講以前了 以錢關我屁事?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你沒賺到錢要找人出氣就算了，你根本不了解我投資</span><span class="push-right">319F 05/16 10:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃金的理念，就少在那邊大放厥詞，還歐印咧。</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以你沒賺到錢 關我屁事</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果能坐時光機回去 也是買台積不是買黃金啦</span><span class="push-right">322F 05/16 10:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你不要把你自己錯誤的投資黃金觀念 套用在別人身上</span><span class="push-right">323F 05/16 10:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好啦~你趕快去哭著求多拉A夢拿出時光機啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以前黃金多好關我屁事? 現在就是爛</span><span class="push-right">325F 05/16 10:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以嘛~你就是黃金沒賺到錢，氣噗噗想找人魯洨</span><span class="push-right">326F 05/16 10:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講得很爽說跟我對作會賺錢，那我說我買黃金現貨你</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反1就軟了，這算哪門子對做啦，看空不做空，我知道!</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買黃金 的相反 不是 不買黃金 耶..</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你光是不買黃金 是無法賺錢的</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 阿~忘了你是新手 不清楚 對做的定義</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/offstage/push?y=26" target="_blank">offstage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對做就是 有一方買 另一方賣 這才叫對做唷</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 「買黃金」的相反 當然就是 「不買黃金」</span><span class="push-right">333F 05/16 10:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我很訝異居然有人連這基本道理都不懂 還在賣弄口舌</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 令外 我的成本不是4500 我入場時就快4600了</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你自己都說不要歐印了 怎麼又會覺得別人入場就歐印?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這算自打嘴巴嗎?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我當然是慢慢買 過5000不追高 成本價當然接近5000</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我都不追高 都僅以身免 沒賠錢而已</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其他追高的不知會有多慘 不知套到何年何月?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣還要吹黃金喔?</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/utomaya/push?y=26" target="_blank">utomaya</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 再說一次 黃金爛到連浪費時間做反1我都沒興趣</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> yokann. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3TX 2026-05-15T20:18:43+08:00 2026-05-16T20:16:04+08:00

原文標題： 00981A大砍！金像電(2368)重挫跌停成「綠」像電 原文連結： https://www.moneyweekly.com.tw/ArticleData/Info/Article/226879 00981A大砍！金像電(2368)重挫跌停成「綠」像電 - 理財周刊 台股 AI伺服器供應鏈今日出現劇烈震盪，指標性 PCB大廠金像電（2368）開盤後一路走低，最終慘遭摜至跌停板，收在1,290元，重挫140元。市場分析指出，除了技術面高檔修正壓力外，主動式 ETF霸主「統一台股增長（00981 A）」的大舉換倉行動，被視為引發今日重挫的核心關鍵。 ... 發布時間： 2026/5/15 記者署名： 洪崇晏 原文內容： 台股 AI 伺服器供應鏈今日出現劇烈震盪，指標性 PCB 大廠金像電（2368）開盤後一路 走低，最終慘遭摜至跌停板，收在 1,290 元，重挫 140 元。市場分析指出，除了技術面 高檔修正壓力外，主動式 ETF 霸主「統一台股增長（00981A）」的大舉換倉行動，被視 為引發今日重挫的核心關鍵。 00981A 邏輯轉向：出清 PCB 鎖定散熱新題材 根據 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> yokann (有什麼是越大越好)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 00981A大砍！金像電(2368)重挫跌停成「綠<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 20:18:43 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> 00981A大砍！金像電(2368)重挫跌停成「綠」像電 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <a href="https://www.moneyweekly.com.tw/ArticleData/Info/Article/226879" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.moneyweekly.com.tw/ArticleData/Info/Article/226879</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.moneyweekly.com.tw/ArticleData/Info/Article/226879" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>00981A大砍！金像電(2368)重挫跌停成「綠」像電 - 理財周刊</strong></a> 台股 AI伺服器供應鏈今日出現劇烈震盪，指標性 PCB大廠金像電（2368）開盤後一路走低，最終慘遭摜至跌停板，收在1,290元，重挫140元。市場分析指出，除了技術面高檔修正壓力外，主動式 ETF霸主「統一台股增長（00981 A）」的大舉換倉行動，被視為引發今日重挫的核心關鍵。 ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> 2026/5/15 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 洪崇晏 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">台股 AI 伺服器供應鏈今日出現劇烈震盪，指標性 PCB 大廠金像電（2368）開盤後一路 走低，最終慘遭摜至跌停板，收在 1,290 元，重挫 140 元。市場分析指出，除了技術面 高檔修正壓力外，主動式 ETF 霸主「統一台股增長（00981A）」的大舉換倉行動，被視 為引發今日重挫的核心關鍵。</div> <span class="fgW1 bgG">00981A 邏輯轉向：出清 PCB 鎖定散熱新題材</span> <div class="combine-lines">根據理財週刊觀察近期主動型基金操作極其果斷。00981A 近期不僅大砍鴻海（2317）， 對 金像電（2368） 的減碼力道同樣毫不留情。由於 AI 伺服器規格正經歷從「風冷」轉 向「液冷」的關鍵期，資金結構正發生質變。市場法人分析，00981A 經理人選擇在 6 月 Computex 展前進行「去弱留強」，將資金從毛利受擠壓的組裝與已反映利多的 PCB 族 群撤出，轉向投入技術門檻更高、具備「不可替代性」的奇鋐（3017）與精測（6510）等 散熱及探針卡領域。</div> PCB 族群估值過高 機構「高出低進」成常態 金像電今日的跌停，也反映了市場對於 PCB 族群股價恐已透支未來利多的擔憂。 估值修正： 金像電在過去半年內漲幅驚人，股價一度推升至 1,500 元以上的高位，本益 比已處於歷史高檔區間。 機構換股： 對於法人機構而言，當原本的「AI 板塊成長邏輯」已被市場充分定價（ Priced-in），獲利了結並轉往基期相對較低、或題材剛萌芽的液冷供應鏈是「正常且必 要」的資產配置。 專家觀點：不要愛上股票，要愛上邏輯 <div class="combine-lines">分析師指出，金像電今日跌穿 MA5（5日線）與 MA10（10日線），一舉摜破月線，短線籌 碼明顯鬆動。這顯示在 AI 浪潮下，市場「換主角」的速度極快。正如 00981A 的操作體 現了主動式管理的核心價值：「不是預測，而是反應」。當 PCB 族群的組裝與零組件價 值轉移時，機構的大量出貨換股並非看壞產業，而是追求資金效率最大化的必然選擇。投 資人應警惕高檔套利壓力，切莫盲目接刀，應持續關注資金流向的新技術斷點。</div> <a href="https://i.urusai.cc/I6JYr.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.urusai.cc/I6JYr.png</a> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.urusai.cc/I6JYr" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="800" data-ori_h="600" style="width:800px;height:600px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.urusai.cc/I6JYr.png" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 散熱還能有戲嗎？看奇紘健策富世達都很疲軟,只是金像電真的高了, 如果投信同步大砍的話,1500T弟兄可能要套一代了. <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.226.243.235 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: yokann 2026-05-15 20:18:43</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778847526.A.EA9.html" target="_blank">#1g1mycwf (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778847526.A.EA9.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778847526.A.EA9.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/suendy/push?y=26" target="_blank">suendy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連環套</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 20:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vmcjormp/push?y=26" target="_blank">vmcjormp</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被這家看上的下場真倒霉</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 20:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apolloapollo/push?y=26" target="_blank">apolloapollo</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式崩盤時會很刺激</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 20:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roy84211/push?y=26" target="_blank">roy84211</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要再造神了啦 這麼會選早就退休了還在當好人</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jaricho/push?y=26" target="_blank">jaricho</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式大量出貨</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/15 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azy/push?y=26" target="_blank">azy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 啊 不是一直吹pcb多棒多好 怎麼蛋雕了</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金像電被炒這麼高 有人想接嗎</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ABF減碼的時候也會很痛</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/15 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上看2000啊</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 20:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動崩盤</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 20:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台光電我看誰來接盤......</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 20:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有信驊…..裡面全都是主動式</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: pcb 都是主動炒上去的</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 20:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azy/push?y=26" target="_blank">azy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2383搖起來 ABF, PCB一起來 好會分析好棒棒yo</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 20:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且981A減倉金像電是前天</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 20:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都炒到100倍 誰要接 山頂</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 20:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mecca/push?y=26" target="_blank">mecca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 砍下去砍到亮燈QQ</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 20:26</span></div> <div 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style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/piAoTi.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a6435966/push?y=26" target="_blank">a6435966</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天981A沒砍金像電啊 是看到鬼？</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 20:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 滿滿主動式</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 20:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/devidevi/push?y=26" target="_blank">devidevi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼厲害就賣在漲停阿</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 20:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/barry841120/push?y=26" target="_blank">barry841120</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金像電前天賣的 最近大砍的是IP 創意世芯</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 20:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/steven3QXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">steven3QXD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式真的超級亂源</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 20:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cl3bp6/push?y=26" target="_blank">cl3bp6</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 動金項鍊就算了 如果要動到台光電這核心持股...</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 20:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 減倉15% 他規模沒有繼續一直變大本來就是要開始換</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 20:29</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前陣子每天都在狂敲猛敲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b551122/push?y=26" target="_blank">b551122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ==== 金像電是PCB 台光電及台燿是CCL</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gosling1019/push?y=26" target="_blank">gosling1019</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 量這麼多 政府賺爛了</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hcwei0126/push?y=26" target="_blank">hcwei0126</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 講成這樣，那誰去接刀…</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 20:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit61677/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit61677</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前天減碼的也還有7000張阿，今天跟981有什麼關係</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 20:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SABA0/push?y=26" target="_blank">SABA0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動真的來亂的</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 20:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ert0700/push?y=26" target="_blank">ert0700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: etf就是靠別人的錢在賺自己的薪水而已，很厲害的十</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rabbit61677/push?y=26" target="_blank">rabbit61677</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以為砍到不到1%，看了一下成分股還在3.5%</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ert0700/push?y=26" target="_blank">ert0700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年前存個百萬早賺到退休了</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dog41125/push?y=26" target="_blank">dog41125</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式的核心持股全都是…板子w</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這邊本質就幻想文啊</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lancelot123/push?y=26" target="_blank">lancelot123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式ETF影響沒那麼大吧，981a、982a還有一些別的</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 20:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lancelot123/push?y=26" target="_blank">lancelot123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式都減碼頎邦，今天還不是拉到漲停</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/siki588/push?y=26" target="_blank">siki588</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你要他選股 他要你本金</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 20:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Morimilmil/push?y=26" target="_blank">Morimilmil</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 981不知道可以跌去哪</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 20:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 智障的是金管會啊每日公布幹嘛 不能慢慢撤退要走就</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 20:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要速戰速決不然被別家先倒貨</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 抓最後一隻</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要馬就每日公布前五大，十大就好了全揭露幹嘛</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/15 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ck326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ck326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 981 持股前幾天就有人在跑了，很明顯，流動性問題你</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 20:38</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ck326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ck326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以為主力抄手會不知道嗎？嘻嘻</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amig0123/push?y=26" target="_blank">amig0123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都你們再說 要的時候當成寶 不要各種理由</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我就看健策00981什麼時候要損</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 20:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a210510/push?y=26" target="_blank">a210510</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種高本益比的本來就是被主動式和基金炒起來的</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 20:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a210510/push?y=26" target="_blank">a210510</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基金只是沒公布每日持股而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 981新申購規模減緩的話沒有新錢打進貨難推升持股股</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 20:42</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 價</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 搞到有人跳樓就好玩了 怨念會很重</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 20:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stormNEW/push?y=26" target="_blank">stormNEW</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式再來還會一直推出</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 20:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qsc753/push?y=26" target="_blank">qsc753</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為這裡很多是鄉民經理人 各個比投信經理人強</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/15 20:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lantc/push?y=26" target="_blank">lantc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來又要換pcb漲了</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 20:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fcuhua/push?y=26" target="_blank">fcuhua</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 清光就漲了啦 緊張啥</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/15 20:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joygo/push?y=26" target="_blank">joygo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 換股都很大力</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 20:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/steven1220/push?y=26" target="_blank">steven1220</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 她都拉這一大波 賺到爛掉了，出清獲利有什麼問題？</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 20:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/steven1220/push?y=26" target="_blank">steven1220</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恭喜各位換PCB 準備起漲</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 20:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turkeyma/push?y=26" target="_blank">turkeyma</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說主動超級亂源 但這波衝上去也是主動抬轎的耶</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 20:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jenchieh5/push?y=26" target="_blank">jenchieh5</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 建議請公司聲明拒絕主動式etf購買</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 21:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nonpro/push?y=26" target="_blank">nonpro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重注的要被套爽爽了</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 21:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a2080259/push?y=26" target="_blank">a2080259</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動助漲助跌</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 21:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國主動式也是要揭露持股，行情好就支持，不好就反</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 21:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aegis43210/push?y=26" target="_blank">aegis43210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對，搞笑嗎?</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式持有的高價股建議下車 不然哪天被砍就哭哭</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 21:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xd4664/push?y=26" target="_blank">xd4664</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 真要說本益比過高也輪不到這檔</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 21:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/clairehao/push?y=26" target="_blank">clairehao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這波也是靠主動拉抬</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 21:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wade520/push?y=26" target="_blank">wade520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 季報明明表現很好..</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Nick0907/push?y=26" target="_blank">Nick0907</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 981A來低本益比的男子電啦 有得你炒</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 21:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mihu923/push?y=26" target="_blank">mihu923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 砍掉也未必不好吧，哪有人天天看對邊</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 21:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Latizhate/push?y=26" target="_blank">Latizhate</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動持有的高價股退出喔，那你不一定有東西能買欸</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 21:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/speady/push?y=26" target="_blank">speady</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩盤應該就是賣千金股然後買gg就能撐淨值，不至於崩</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 21:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/speady/push?y=26" target="_blank">speady</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 盤</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 規模夠大，換股時被剃除的很容易大跌</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/15 21:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 綠像電，有梗</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/15 21:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Catalyst/push?y=26" target="_blank">Catalyst</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正有基本面的被這些ETF砍完之後還是會創高</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/15 21:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NEX4036/push?y=26" target="_blank">NEX4036</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別怕 明年10000 現在都魚嘴而已</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 21:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NEX4036/push?y=26" target="_blank">NEX4036</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台光30000 台燿 金項鍊10000</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mind324/push?y=26" target="_blank">mind324</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘎尾要賺爆</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 21:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Tohkachan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Tohkachan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣不好嗎，把散戶留在山頂洗碗 炒別股阿</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 21:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lantimes/push?y=26" target="_blank">lantimes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3年報酬率能贏0050算他厲害</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/15 21:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老蘇專空 主動式持股</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/15 21:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coffee112/push?y=26" target="_blank">coffee112</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 救命啊</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/15 21:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lordwill/push?y=26" target="_blank">lordwill</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ETF死亡螺旋</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/15 21:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sotfttff/push?y=26" target="_blank">sotfttff</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金項鍊落鏈</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/15 21:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a281393/push?y=26" target="_blank">a281393</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/Z0XLQ94i.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/Z0XLQ94i.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">92F 05/15 22:00</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/Z0XLQ94i.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="533" data-ori_h="800" style="width:533px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_Z0XLQ94i.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fujimoto/push?y=26" target="_blank">fujimoto</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？？？</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/15 22:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JH10/push?y=26" target="_blank">JH10</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺根本就是韭菜踩韭菜</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/15 22:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g9911761/push?y=26" target="_blank">g9911761</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一旦觸發死亡螺旋 會有大場面嗎</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/15 22:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DHPdotD/push?y=26" target="_blank">DHPdotD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式下次砍哪一檔？跟單的自己小心</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/15 22:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JH10/push?y=26" target="_blank">JH10</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 三大法人今天才賣2400多張</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/15 22:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jung914/push?y=26" target="_blank">jung914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動砍 被動跟 主動再砍 到時候一定很精彩</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/15 22:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lokoo/push?y=26" target="_blank">lokoo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有種就砍萬金股，砍下去才刺激</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/15 22:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/agvnol/push?y=26" target="_blank">agvnol</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高歌離席</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/15 22:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ffaatt/push?y=26" target="_blank">ffaatt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 砍下去ETF還剩什麼可以買</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/15 22:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種主動etf的持股，要小心</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/15 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a11011788/push?y=26" target="_blank">a11011788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 瑤姐蛋雕了難怪跌停</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/15 22:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種主動etf就像串聯的炸彈包</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/15 22:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KSUGOD/push?y=26" target="_blank">KSUGOD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 砍ETF 跟著放空</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/15 22:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn00152097/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn00152097</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可是今天看起來沒減碼啊</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/15 23:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ma721/push?y=26" target="_blank">ma721</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: PCB ABF GG</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/15 23:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david850914/push?y=26" target="_blank">david850914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 證交稅一個月560億 這兩年破兆</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/15 23:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david850914/push?y=26" target="_blank">david850914</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2027選前又要來普發現金</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Dazzium/push?y=26" target="_blank">Dazzium</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 981A最近看起來像大型韭菜</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/16 03:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berserk/push?y=26" target="_blank">berserk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金項鍊斷斷</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/16 08:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shoppinglin/push?y=26" target="_blank">shoppinglin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前有人覺得被動etf如果太常換持股有交易成本，結</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/16 08:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shoppinglin/push?y=26" target="_blank">shoppinglin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 果主動更瘋狂</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RTX3080TI/push?y=26" target="_blank">RTX3080TI</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動成分全部被狙擊放空</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/16 09:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動是證交稅的大戶</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/16 12:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lottepudgy/push?y=26" target="_blank">lottepudgy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 獲利了解</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/16 15:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種主動型，早晚被國際巨鱷鎖定</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/16 16:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tyshmanq/push?y=26" target="_blank">tyshmanq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是金像電的技術護城河慢慢被追上</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/16 20:02</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> chuang2yee. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3TW 2026-05-15T19:44:32+08:00 2026-05-16T08:27:40+08:00

標的：元大0050正2（00631L） 剛才上元大官網發現00631L的台積電佔比來到26%，台指期剩174%，估計是要讓追蹤更貼 近0050（雖然他名字原本就叫0050正2），這樣未來與其他3檔正2（00675L、00685L、006 63L)差異應該會越來越大，如果要持有純加權指數正2的要注意一下，我自己也是持有純 加權正2。 https://i.mopix.cc/JECiZI.jpg ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> chuang2yee (拍拍)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [標的] 元大0050正2（00631L)台積電佔26%了<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 19:44:32 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 標的：元大0050正2（00631L） <div class="combine-lines">剛才上元大官網發現00631L的台積電佔比來到26%，台指期剩174%，估計是要讓追蹤更貼 近0050（雖然他名字原本就叫0050正2），這樣未來與其他3檔正2（00675L、00685L、006 63L)差異應該會越來越大，如果要持有純加權指數正2的要注意一下，我自己也是持有純 加權正2。</div> <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/JECiZI.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/JECiZI.jpg</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="858" data-ori_h="1280" style="width:858px;height:1280px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/JECiZI.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 223.137.56.171 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: chuang2yee 2026-05-15 19:44:32</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778845475.A.7CD.html" target="_blank">#1g1mSZVD (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778845475.A.7CD.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778845475.A.7CD.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Xration/push?y=26" target="_blank">Xration</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 元大這招很猛</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 19:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PeterHenson/push?y=26" target="_blank">PeterHenson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要讓績效更貼近0050兩倍吧</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 19:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arashivivian/push?y=26" target="_blank">arashivivian</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也沒有人可以保證之後其他隻正2不會也這樣做</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dakkon/push?y=26" target="_blank">dakkon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 631這樣買明正言順啊</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SphereDavid/push?y=26" target="_blank">SphereDavid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這麼做也是有他的道理</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/15 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PeterHenson/push?y=26" target="_blank">PeterHenson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且看起來就要避免正價差帶來的損耗</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/purin3333/push?y=26" target="_blank">purin3333</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投信狂買GG</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 19:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他取名台灣50正2，說他為什麼漲跌不是0050的2倍時</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/15 19:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohrring/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohrring</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不純砍頭</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 19:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunnyhung/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunnyhung</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積正2 屌</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 19:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gladopo/push?y=26" target="_blank">gladopo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可是用台積現貨不可能到兩倍啊，0050正1.8??</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 19:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還會被笑新人韭菜，能夠校正到符合2倍左右也是應該</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 19:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只是要方便維持曝險兩倍而已吧 0050期貨不多</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 19:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 方便維持0050兩倍的工具而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天有領元大道歉表了，今天變得抗跌ㄚ</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 19:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MinJun5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MinJun5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積撐盤</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 19:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但是畢竟不純，因為還是靠G一族</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 19:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tigerzz3/push?y=26" target="_blank">tigerzz3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正二家族今天他跌最少</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 19:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totoro7923/push?y=26" target="_blank">totoro7923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲的時後也會較少？</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fajita/push?y=26" target="_blank">fajita</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主要的原因是指數沒啥空間了吧，單押龍頭一檔</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 校正回歸</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大概接到消息接下來要全力撐G盤中小毀天滅地了</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 20:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散戶吃不到逆價差豆腐了 丸子</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 20:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正2教死去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/on32/push?y=26" target="_blank">on32</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 覺得很好 貼近台灣50的兩倍槓桿</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 20:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 昨天漲得少，今天跌得少，感覺與指數逐漸脫鉤，依</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 20:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賴GG給予靈氣buff，G生則生</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 修正回檔上40</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 20:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david3033/push?y=26" target="_blank">david3033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天台積電很扛 但台指期像是吃瀉藥</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 20:05</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david3033/push?y=26" target="_blank">david3033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看還是得加倉台積 畢竟商品名叫50正2</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jvor0719/push?y=26" target="_blank">jvor0719</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我才買 就賠錢</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 20:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比較像在避險</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 20:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fajita/push?y=26" target="_blank">fajita</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種操作就是大盤下山時少跌點，不好嗎？</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 20:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayufly/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayufly</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是不是發現大盤趨勢有在改變???</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 20:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/birdman5656/push?y=26" target="_blank">birdman5656</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 衝到80%最好</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 20:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只是正二都這樣搞了，短期內會跌不少天</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 20:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/birdman5656/push?y=26" target="_blank">birdman5656</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 定期定額、回檔，都繼續買</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s8911090/push?y=26" target="_blank">s8911090</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣50台積電不是佔60%嗎 那正2應該也要60%才對啊</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jian0202/push?y=26" target="_blank">jian0202</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太多正二派 太擁擠了</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 發現趨勢改變 只能撐台積了</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 或許元大的經理人預測到了什麼？</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s8911090/push?y=26" target="_blank">s8911090</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼剩一半?</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正二也放台積60%要怎麼變成兩倍正二</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cps80655/push?y=26" target="_blank">cps80655</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正2應該要GG120%，期貨剩80%這樣算？</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 20:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 應該是除權息旺季要來了吧</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 20:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s8911090/push?y=26" target="_blank">s8911090</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 100的60%=60 100兩倍的60% =100x2x60%</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 20:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 80% 衝啊！</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/15 20:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m2036172/push?y=26" target="_blank">m2036172</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有請大仁哥</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 20:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s8911090/push?y=26" target="_blank">s8911090</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 60%是資金運用比率 資金可能拿去槓桿 錢就1份(100%)</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 20:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TSM漲4.48% 2330跌0.22%</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 20:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pkh1234/push?y=26" target="_blank">pkh1234</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傻眼</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 20:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunday0913/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunday0913</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 631L無敵了吧</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 20:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正價差一直扣血，買現貨直接不用扣血更好欸</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/15 20:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 而且跌了還有政府撐腰......怎麼想都贏</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不懂嫌棄的人在想什麼XDDDD</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 何況上漲的時候確實2330漲幅就是0050兩倍</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loleea/push?y=26" target="_blank">loleea</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大仁的頻道有說 可以去聽聽</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 20:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiversonx17/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiversonx17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小GG 00631L 傑出的一手 全力買進</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/15 20:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hellophoenix/push?y=26" target="_blank">hellophoenix</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不能買點gg期嗎</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 20:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/roy84211/push?y=26" target="_blank">roy84211</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的不知道買這隻正2有啥意義 直接買2330不就好</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/15 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 剛聽完，才弄懂</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 20:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Bashar/push?y=26" target="_blank">Bashar</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這隻分割可以融資 短線的最愛捏</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 20:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/uv5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">uv5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天大盤跌 2330根本沒跌多少 不舊稱起來惹</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/15 20:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/F93935/push?y=26" target="_blank">F93935</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣台積電配息怎麼算？</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 20:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b7278622/push?y=26" target="_blank">b7278622</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣既不是0050也不是正二 真的是四不像</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 20:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/money1992922/push?y=26" target="_blank">money1992922</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣更符合他這檔的名稱，反正我沒打算換標的</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 20:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiversonx17/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiversonx17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣還多了GG配息 不無小補</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 20:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 加權指數台積只佔4成，0050台積佔了6成。所以搭台</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 20:30</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/berryc/push?y=26" target="_blank">berryc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 積股票會更貼近0050兩倍沒毛病</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luten/push?y=26" target="_blank">luten</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00631LA</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/15 20:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ryan1220/push?y=26" target="_blank">ryan1220</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟其他三隻分區別也是可 有理由買群益正2了</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 20:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason168/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason168</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下次看到台達電出現也不意外了XDD</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 20:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/u9596g12/push?y=26" target="_blank">u9596g12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 50正二 但追蹤的是不是50 新手會誤會正常啊</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 20:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lifeterry/push?y=26" target="_blank">lifeterry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣配才對，但是這檔內扣太高</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 20:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xerioc5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">xerioc5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買買買</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 20:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eknbz/push?y=26" target="_blank">eknbz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看起來沒什麼毛病 就更貼近0050*2</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 20:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jengmei/push?y=26" target="_blank">jengmei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 已知用火</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/noreg0393933/push?y=26" target="_blank">noreg0393933</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 請正名除二</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pqoiwer/push?y=26" target="_blank">pqoiwer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣台積電的比例大概 剛好100%</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/15 20:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pqoiwer/push?y=26" target="_blank">pqoiwer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 1.74倍加權*43%加權裡台積比例 +26%現股</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 純</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/15 20:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bensonla/push?y=26" target="_blank">bensonla</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣就不用自己2330配正2</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/15 20:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pqoiwer/push?y=26" target="_blank">pqoiwer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣其實可以把台積現股都換正2欸 成份還是100% 沒</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 20:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pqoiwer/push?y=26" target="_blank">pqoiwer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 少</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/h311013/push?y=26" target="_blank">h311013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這才是真正的50正二</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 20:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pqoiwer/push?y=26" target="_blank">pqoiwer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 多了另外100%投資非台積的股票</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 20:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ncucosine/push?y=26" target="_blank">ncucosine</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其他正二又不用 是他打50兩倍的招牌才需要</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/15 21:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProTrader/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProTrader</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還是要區分50正2跟台指正2的差別 這是專業</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/15 21:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b9513227/push?y=26" target="_blank">b9513227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 討厭台積電的快點換別的</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/15 21:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了 散戶幫接盤 外資倒超爽</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/15 21:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fatb/push?y=26" target="_blank">fatb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太機車了 散戶最後的避風港不見了</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/15 21:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fatb/push?y=26" target="_blank">fatb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要台積電啊我幹嘛不直接買台積電就好</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s100041047/push?y=26" target="_blank">s100041047</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 從推文就知道很多人根本不懂這檔 看下來蠻好笑的…</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/15 21:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken35248/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken35248</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 元大的訊號，大家知道要怎麼做了吧</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/15 21:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/YJM1106/push?y=26" target="_blank">YJM1106</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用這個組成來模擬 目前看來還不太有效XD</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/15 21:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tinybunny/push?y=26" target="_blank">tinybunny</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 醬做蝦米不直接買gg2x?0</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/15 21:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PeterHenson/push?y=26" target="_blank">PeterHenson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不買GG期貨的原因可能是流通性吧 但是也可能是經理</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/15 21:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PeterHenson/push?y=26" target="_blank">PeterHenson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人策略</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/timidwei/push?y=26" target="_blank">timidwei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買正2的人 不就是懶的用或不會用期指的人買的 結果</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/15 21:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/timidwei/push?y=26" target="_blank">timidwei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跑去買GG XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Xration/push?y=26" target="_blank">Xration</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://reurl.cc/grpKML" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://reurl.cc/grpKML</a></span><span class="push-right">101F 05/15 22:14</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="video" data-src="//www.youtube.com/embed/ZU_cz8ne1uo?autohide=1&&amp;si=ynMpbFpOK04NNXrb"><img style="max-width:100%;" width="640" height="480" src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/ZU_cz8ne1uo/0.jpg" /><div class="play_btn"></div></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g9911761/push?y=26" target="_blank">g9911761</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 付錢叫人去買台積？</span><span 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原文標題： 台股高低震盪近1400點！小摩喊「牛市5萬點」　同步上調悲觀情境 原文連結： https://www.nownews.com/news/6836538 台股高低震盪近1400點！小摩喊「牛市5萬點」 同步上調悲觀情境 | 財經 | NOWnews今日新聞 台股高檔震盪，外資摩根大通不到一個月再度上修台股目標，小摩認為，台灣是全球AI基礎建設擴張中，受惠最直接也最純粹的市場之一，因此將加權指數牛市情境目標點位，從... ... 發布時間： 2026-05-15 記者署名： 林奇 原文內容： 台股高檔震盪，外資摩根大通不到一個月再度上修台股目標，小摩認為，台灣是全球AI基 礎建設擴張中，受惠最直接也最純粹的市場之一，因此將加權指數牛市情境目標點位，從 48000點調升至5萬點。 小摩同步上修其他情境預估，基本情境目標由43000點調高至47000點，悲觀情境也從 36000點上調至4萬點。 小摩策略師Mixo Das等人在報告中指出，今年來市場對AI變現能力的疑慮已有所緩解，加 上全球總體環境變化，仍建議順勢配置AI硬體領域。不過，報告也提醒，台股受惠AI題材 明確，但同時 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> keel90135 (尼可)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 台股高低震盪近1400點！小摩喊「牛市5萬點<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 18:42:13 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> 台股高低震盪近1400點！小摩喊「牛市5萬點」　同步上調悲觀情境 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836538" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.nownews.com/news/6836538</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836538" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>台股高低震盪近1400點！小摩喊「牛市5萬點」 同步上調悲觀情境 | 財經 | NOWnews今日新聞</strong></a> <a href="https://www.nownews.com/news/6836538" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1200" data-ori_h="900" style="width:1200px;height:900px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://media.nownews.com/nn_media/thumbnail/2026/03/1772413976388-68ca0be99e264c86a23da32a8c06fe94-1200x900.webp?unShow=false" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>台股高檔震盪，外資摩根大通不到一個月再度上修台股目標，小摩認為，台灣是全球AI基礎建設擴張中，受惠最直接也最純粹的市場之一，因此將加權指數牛市情境目標點位，從... ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> 2026-05-15 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 林奇 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> <div class="combine-lines">台股高檔震盪，外資摩根大通不到一個月再度上修台股目標，小摩認為，台灣是全球AI基 礎建設擴張中，受惠最直接也最純粹的市場之一，因此將加權指數牛市情境目標點位，從 48000點調升至5萬點。</div> 小摩同步上修其他情境預估，基本情境目標由43000點調高至47000點，悲觀情境也從 36000點上調至4萬點。 <div class="combine-lines">小摩策略師Mixo Das等人在報告中指出，今年來市場對AI變現能力的疑慮已有所緩解，加 上全球總體環境變化，仍建議順勢配置AI硬體領域。不過，報告也提醒，台股受惠AI題材 明確，但同時也存在產業集中度高的風險。</div> <div class="combine-lines">小摩指出，目前市場對台股的部位並不算擁擠。報做多新興市場的投資人對台灣市場低配 程度達10年來高點，後續若資金回補，加上散戶資金持續流入，仍可能為台股提供上攻動 能。</div> 不過，台股今（15）日走勢劇烈震盪。加權指數盤中一度衝上42408.66點，但隨後賣壓出 籠，最低下探41016.73點，高低震盪達1391.93點。終場指數收在41172.36點，下跌 579.39點，跌幅1.39%，成交金額約1.31兆元。 <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 雖然今天開高走低 但多蛙們別慌 小摩信心喊話了 牛市五萬點要來了 基本也有47000點 還有得漲！ 無腦多！ <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.34.58.19 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: keel90135 2026-05-15 18:42:13</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778841735.A.7B3.html" target="_blank">#1g1lY7Up (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778841735.A.7B3.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778841735.A.7B3.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> 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href="/ptt/user/yang57/push?y=26" target="_blank">yang57</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 糕點到了請享用</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 18:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Atwo/push?y=26" target="_blank">Atwo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牛市五萬點！！ (賣出)</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 18:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/speady/push?y=26" target="_blank">speady</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00403越套越多人了</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 18:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒逃嗎？</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vltw5v/push?y=26" target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一邊吹一邊倒貨</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aass5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">aass5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 50000*0.85= 42500 已經過了</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kyle10427/push?y=26" target="_blank">kyle10427</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 訊號來了</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等等看是不是在賣</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ymx3xc/push?y=26" target="_blank">ymx3xc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 邊吹邊出</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vcchang/push?y=26" target="_blank">vcchang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五萬再見</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sarevork/push?y=26" target="_blank">sarevork</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 真的丸子了</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 19:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kidd085/push?y=26" target="_blank">kidd085</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以現在是什麼市</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opop1133/push?y=26" target="_blank">opop1133</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我少兩千</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jokem/push?y=26" target="_blank">jokem</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牛牛</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jaspercool/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jaspercool</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實小摩2月說美光會再漲50% 滿準的就是了</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madaofreak/push?y=26" target="_blank">madaofreak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我喊五萬……零一百</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ibanes/push?y=26" target="_blank">ibanes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了，大小魔王更勝河谷雙煞</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 19:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/erock/push?y=26" target="_blank">erock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這時機喊 是想出貨吧</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 19:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orange1204/push?y=26" target="_blank">orange1204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蹲低才能跳高</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 19:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luben/push?y=26" target="_blank">luben</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五萬基本麵 吃到飽</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 19:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tnnua/push?y=26" target="_blank">tnnua</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先蹲</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 19:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brain9453/push?y=26" target="_blank">brain9453</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去你媽的小摩 今天倒我持股</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 19:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a9564208/push?y=26" target="_blank">a9564208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaa80563/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaa80563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 直接10萬不就好了</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/romusutoru/push?y=26" target="_blank">romusutoru</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 五萬的基本麵我吃不起QQ</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 19:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aussieoz/push?y=26" target="_blank">aussieoz</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我大你一萬</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/15 19:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chih5120/push?y=26" target="_blank">chih5120</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 5萬，打8折，那4萬差不多了</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 19:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tengobo/push?y=26" target="_blank">tengobo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 19:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/win1109/push?y=26" target="_blank">win1109</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 倒霉鬼袤s也看5萬，難怪崩。</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 19:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q09701023/push?y=26" target="_blank">q09701023</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明明都要打8折 剛好到點了 快跑</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 19:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DUSTWAVE/push?y=26" target="_blank">DUSTWAVE</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快逃啊</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 19:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanleyplus/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanleyplus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慘戶山頂套 一個都別想跑 ~~~~~~~~~~~~</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/15 19:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/timetostudy/push?y=26" target="_blank">timetostudy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 熟悉的味道</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 19:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnney/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnney</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 騙人上車</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 19:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arashivivian/push?y=26" target="_blank">arashivivian</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 打八折剛好四萬 所以最後的煙火…</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/reenoip/push?y=26" target="_blank">reenoip</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 穩</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 19:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smallkop/push?y=26" target="_blank">smallkop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 騙炮三兄弟</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/15 19:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eastereaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">eastereaster</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝看好。能否先把我今天賠錢的股票原價買回？</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 19:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sid3/push?y=26" target="_blank">sid3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看不到利空</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/15 19:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oyaji5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">oyaji5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 19:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/paul2chiu/push?y=26" target="_blank">paul2chiu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完了</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 19:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/paul2chiu/push?y=26" target="_blank">paul2chiu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 準備回三萬</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/turndown4wat/push?y=26" target="_blank">turndown4wat</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大嘎空</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 19:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/atp2498/push?y=26" target="_blank">atp2498</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 崩崩</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 19:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bwnzer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bwnzer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子 一定要這樣搞484</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 19:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Seaware/push?y=26" target="_blank">Seaware</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還敢VV叫，反彈即空點</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ginobili086/push?y=26" target="_blank">ginobili086</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來下星期一繼續不妙</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/westmoney/push?y=26" target="_blank">westmoney</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小模人真好</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 20:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mutsutakato/push?y=26" target="_blank">mutsutakato</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要跌回4萬點以下了</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/15 20:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appleye/push?y=26" target="_blank">appleye</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40000點快破了</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 20:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sell504387/push?y=26" target="_blank">sell504387</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 準備被套到自X</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 20:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ojh/push?y=26" target="_blank">ojh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資喊盤打8折 剛好4萬是天花板沒錯</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 20:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/serpei/push?y=26" target="_blank">serpei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 殺兩千</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 20:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mic73528/push?y=26" target="_blank">mic73528</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我已經看到八萬七了</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 20:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完蛋了</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 20:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ppbro/push?y=26" target="_blank">ppbro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開始喊了 幹</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 20:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NilName/push?y=26" target="_blank">NilName</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 0.85 = 42500 有夠準</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 21:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zjnovember/push?y=26" target="_blank">zjnovember</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這下丸惹</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/16 09:18</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> Ftaro. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3TE 2026-05-15T18:24:16+08:00 2026-05-16T20:16:02+08:00

前幾天回老家 長輩說還有一些股票 很久之前買的 已經很久沒進出 希望幫忙處理 http://i.imgur.com/uGwcvmo.jpg 看了一下都很雞肋 不太確定是繼續放著領股息好 還是要怎麼出清 想問一下各位意見＞＜ ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> Ftaro (芙塔洛)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [請益] 長輩持股操作建議<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 18:24:16 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 前幾天回老家 長輩說還有一些股票 很久之前買的 已經很久沒進出 希望幫忙處理 <a href="http://imgur.com/uGwcvmo" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/uGwcvmo.jpg</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="874" data-ori_h="810" style="width:874px;height:810px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/uGwcvmo.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> 看了一下都很雞肋 不太確定是繼續放著領股息好 還是要怎麼出清 想問一下各位意見＞＜ <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 216.246.31.91 (加拿大)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: Ftaro 2026-05-15 18:24:16</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778840659.A.656.html" target="_blank">#1g1lHJPM (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778840659.A.656.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778840659.A.656.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也沒多少錢 放著當紀念吧</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BlueBird5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">BlueBird5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣掉，32萬換00981a</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正長輩也習慣了 以後變成你的在煩惱就好了</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wujiarong/push?y=26" target="_blank">wujiarong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不缺錢，一鍵轉換成0050領股息不就好了？</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 18:25</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wujiarong/push?y=26" target="_blank">wujiarong</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這年紀有閒錢買玩具給孫子就可以了吧？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BlueBird5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">BlueBird5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有紀念品的留一張</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a210510/push?y=26" target="_blank">a210510</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放著領紀念品吧</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 18:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a210510/push?y=26" target="_blank">a210510</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連力晶都有 是個狠人</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yellone741/push?y=26" target="_blank">yellone741</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全換了吧都是些什麼阿里不達的股票….</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BEN311075/push?y=26" target="_blank">BEN311075</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 疫情概念股？</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 18:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/totoro7923/push?y=26" target="_blank">totoro7923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一鍵全換正2實在點</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 18:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iwcuforever/push?y=26" target="_blank">iwcuforever</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 短期不會用錢，就等下波熊市賣掉買0050</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kakalin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kakalin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最差最差至少可以換高息低波吧</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/touchbird/push?y=26" target="_blank">touchbird</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到底為什麼會買一堆奇怪的公司 = =</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolrock/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolrock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好多疫情時的熱門股</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 18:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hihi29/push?y=26" target="_blank">hihi29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 藍鳥版主中肯</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/soon55555/push?y=26" target="_blank">soon55555</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老人還買正2等的到嗎？</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brianawpak/push?y=26" target="_blank">brianawpak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 世界最強台積電</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamdds/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamdds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一股不留，全轉0056，老人不需要資產增值</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 18:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g27834618/push?y=26" target="_blank">g27834618</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 轉0050 結束</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 18:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cool10528/push?y=26" target="_blank">cool10528</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒多少錢管他幹嘛</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamaq18c/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamaq18c</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 絕大多數都賠錢 也太厲害0.0...</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gf8752433/push?y=26" target="_blank">gf8752433</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不就是你長輩懶得處理了丟給你 全部賣掉就好了</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等崩了之後買2881 快到100之前賣</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gf8752433/push?y=26" target="_blank">gf8752433</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺錢的大概早就都處理掉了</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 18:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pikachu123/push?y=26" target="_blank">pikachu123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣 allin 00675l 不用謝</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 18:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dogalan/push?y=26" target="_blank">dogalan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老人的話 一鍵出清轉0056</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kaimingo752/push?y=26" target="_blank">kaimingo752</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把均價跟成本2欄刪掉 或許你的視角會更通透廣大些</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/good10740/push?y=26" target="_blank">good10740</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大盤漲不動了 中華電信除息後再買</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joygo/push?y=26" target="_blank">joygo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別人的錢還是放著就好</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greedypeople/push?y=26" target="_blank">greedypeople</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣掉放0050吧</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KillLakers/push?y=26" target="_blank">KillLakers</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長輩會管後續 就丟50就好 除非說股票送你了.......</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/awss1971/push?y=26" target="_blank">awss1971</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 32萬....真的沒多少，怎麼規劃都雞肋呀~~~</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 18:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hsiang0619/push?y=26" target="_blank">hsiang0619</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 錢是他的 少管閒事</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/k220647252/push?y=26" target="_blank">k220647252</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 集天時地利人和於一身 笑死</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 18:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason168/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason168</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 轉歐印0050+1</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 18:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loopdiuretic/push?y=26" target="_blank">loopdiuretic</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 建議多買幾檔 湊到150檔 功力會直接升級</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 18:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChikanDesu/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChikanDesu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看名字就知道沒救 看數字更是慘</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 18:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/heveninferno/push?y=26" target="_blank">heveninferno</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老話一句，不是你的錢別管</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nekomo/push?y=26" target="_blank">nekomo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我阿嬤是買聯電 每年就靠收股息支撐生活費 供參考看</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 18:49</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nekomo/push?y=26" target="_blank">nekomo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/deadogy/push?y=26" target="_blank">deadogy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾乎都賠錢...</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 18:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pttcage/push?y=26" target="_blank">pttcage</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他是不是早就賣了20張台積其他給你處理</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 18:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/operatorm/push?y=26" target="_blank">operatorm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慘賠王,QQ</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 18:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billy791122/push?y=26" target="_blank">billy791122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是你的錢就別管，不然就全賣換0050</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 18:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frankie30432/push?y=26" target="_blank">frankie30432</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 處理是什麼意思</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jvor0719/push?y=26" target="_blank">jvor0719</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有賺的話 清一清吧</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/15 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billy791122/push?y=26" target="_blank">billy791122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺錢不會分你，賠錢一定找你</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 18:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frankie30432/push?y=26" target="_blank">frankie30432</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣掉自己一鍵賣出就好了啊</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 18:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frankie30432/push?y=26" target="_blank">frankie30432</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要包賺錢的 叫他去每個月扣0050 10年 辦不到就別問</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一鍵出清</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 18:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cytw/push?y=26" target="_blank">cytw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 設到價通知啊！ 沒到領股息到了賣掉R</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 19:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccdrv/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccdrv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買錯股票就這樣 放久了 還賠錢</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/15 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FinallyPeace/push?y=26" target="_blank">FinallyPeace</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長輩缺現金流 0056如何</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NNBOY/push?y=26" target="_blank">NNBOY</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把賺的賣掉 虧的放著 不賣掉就不算虧 結果就是賺麻</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 19:03</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NNBOY/push?y=26" target="_blank">NNBOY</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣掉換0050 可聽聽清流君補充信仰</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DonDonFans/push?y=26" target="_blank">DonDonFans</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣定存</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/15 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全買主動</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺了會分你再告訴他吧</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/15 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssaamm810130/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssaamm810130</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 疫情概念股</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 19:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/budaixi/push?y=26" target="_blank">budaixi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ==全賣買00713</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 19:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eemail/push?y=26" target="_blank">eemail</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 很久的話股數會是整數嗎?</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/15 19:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sim3000/push?y=26" target="_blank">sim3000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: COVID時買的？</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 19:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/frank0810/push?y=26" target="_blank">frank0810</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出清歐印台積</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 19:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gokuhwanlai/push?y=26" target="_blank">gokuhwanlai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也是很有眼光買一堆辣雞股</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 19:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gogga/push?y=26" target="_blank">gogga</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣掉拿去出國玩</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 19:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 叫他上PTT看股版</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Gipmydanger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Gipmydanger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一看就是有一點獲利就全賣光，剩下的都套牢的</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kidd085/push?y=26" target="_blank">kidd085</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一鍵出清</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/15 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/myth0422/push?y=26" target="_blank">myth0422</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全都出清換0050 長輩會感謝你</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bbcer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bbcer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不知道欸,給親友建議好難,賣了就漲被唸了快半年QQ</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 19:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bbcer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bbcer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 雖然後來跌破賣價了,但一直被嫌為什麼沒賣在高點QQ</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SQOneal/push?y=26" target="_blank">SQOneal</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 0050長輩能享受到增長嗎 直上正2</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 19:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kilo7/push?y=26" target="_blank">kilo7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全換台GG 年底會感恩</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 19:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/saladbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">saladbread</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長輩一律不建議，請他自負盈虧</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 19:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/willism/push?y=26" target="_blank">willism</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌了會被照三餐問候嗎？ 會的話，啥事都不要做</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 19:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arnold3/push?y=26" target="_blank">arnold3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好像就冠軍賺比較多</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 19:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/saladbread/push?y=26" target="_blank">saladbread</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賺的不會分你，賠的都你的錯</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/15 19:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/titanlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">titanlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看長輩年紀如果可能變成遺產</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/15 19:24</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/titanlee/push?y=26" target="_blank">titanlee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 處理起來麻煩不如一鍵出清</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Bmtswiiii/push?y=26" target="_blank">Bmtswiiii</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韭到不行 一鍵出清買個150股gg 等漲到3000</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/15 19:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arnold3/push?y=26" target="_blank">arnold3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看那些股息高的留著</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 19:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Bmtswiiii/push?y=26" target="_blank">Bmtswiiii</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趁這幾天gg還在22xx徘徊快買</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/15 19:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Catalyst/push?y=26" target="_blank">Catalyst</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才50萬就放著等奇蹟順便領紀念品吧</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 19:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alex00089/push?y=26" target="_blank">alex00089</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 0050</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 19:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Iponponman/push?y=26" target="_blank">Iponponman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆垃圾</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/15 19:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都好爛 一件出清買50</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/15 19:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/azteckcc/push?y=26" target="_blank">azteckcc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 力晶未上市櫃難處理，先去領一百</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/15 19:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Iponponman/push?y=26" target="_blank">Iponponman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 算了放生吧，0050連4張都買不到</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/15 19:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這持股完全沒問題 繼續擁有</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/15 19:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RaiGend0519/push?y=26" target="_blank">RaiGend0519</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老人心臟小就2412，心臟大就0050</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/15 19:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mind324/push?y=26" target="_blank">mind324</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒多少錢繼續放著</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/15 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haewang/push?y=26" target="_blank">haewang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 留著紀念品吧</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/15 19:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/atp2498/push?y=26" target="_blank">atp2498</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣 換0050</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/15 19:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ypw/push?y=26" target="_blank">ypw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一鍵出清換買台GG零股，每天有黑就買。</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/15 19:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有長輩喜歡蒐集股東通知書</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/15 20:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littleheadv/push?y=26" target="_blank">littleheadv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一鍵出清 買聯電</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/KY1998/push?y=26" target="_blank">KY1998</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 勸你少管閒事，你幫老A決定，不管做啥都會靠杯</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/15 20:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全部賣了啦</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/15 20:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sean667cd/push?y=26" target="_blank">sean667cd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放空 讓他們見上帝</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/15 20:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DouglasT/push?y=26" target="_blank">DouglasT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 宏遠耶 wacow</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/15 20:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lepidoptera/push?y=26" target="_blank">lepidoptera</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 清一清 一次打完或分幾次買市值 結案</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/15 20:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sean667cd/push?y=26" target="_blank">sean667cd</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幫忙處理是吧 那就不好意思了 台指期空下去</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/15 20:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/octopuso1c/push?y=26" target="_blank">octopuso1c</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 維持現狀就好</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/15 20:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Noberman/push?y=26" target="_blank">Noberman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這買來都是領紀念品的 千萬別動</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/15 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Miyagi13/push?y=26" target="_blank">Miyagi13</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼有疫情才會看到的東西</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/15 20:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這點小錢 留著就好 搞不好哪天輪到這些爆發 真不缺</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/15 20:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這點 你回不到過去的買點 留著</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuinghoooo/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuinghoooo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我都不知道什麼公司 沒辦法處理…</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/15 20:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guowei616/push?y=26" target="_blank">guowei616</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這啥古董持股 70歲以上的人才會持有一整排</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/15 20:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dbdudsorj/push?y=26" target="_blank">dbdudsorj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越南控 這是疫情初期買的？？</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/15 20:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dbdudsorj/push?y=26" target="_blank">dbdudsorj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆沒落的公司 也是反映了一個時代</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ym410798/push?y=26" target="_blank">ym410798</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ，哈哈哈哈哈哈</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/15 21:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣掉換正二</span><span class="push-right">115F 05/15 21:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kichikuou/push?y=26" target="_blank">kichikuou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老人這種買法才在哭夭股市都賠錢，唉</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/15 21:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/syuechih/push?y=26" target="_blank">syuechih</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣掉 歐印0050</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/15 21:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wen456789/push?y=26" target="_blank">wen456789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韭菜</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/15 21:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/angelo98/push?y=26" target="_blank">angelo98</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越南控聽起來怪怪的</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/15 22:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Roger1015/push?y=26" target="_blank">Roger1015</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 老人的股票別碰， 賣掉過十年後才漲，會說都是你害</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/15 22:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Roger1015/push?y=26" target="_blank">Roger1015</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 他沒賺到</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 什麼都買一點 看會不會中獎?</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/15 23:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tanchuchan/push?y=26" target="_blank">tanchuchan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 32萬….</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/15 23:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GA389434/push?y=26" target="_blank">GA389434</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才40萬有差嗎 開心就好</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/16 01:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GA389434/push?y=26" target="_blank">GA389434</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40萬長輩能找到快樂不是</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jpy/push?y=26" target="_blank">jpy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣了 買聯電</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/16 01:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rattrapante/push?y=26" target="_blank">rattrapante</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股市奇才☺</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/16 01:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MosDonalds/push?y=26" target="_blank">MosDonalds</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒差 40幾萬又不是400萬</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/16 01:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waloloo/push?y=26" target="_blank">waloloo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 紀念品概念股</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/16 08:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/TonyStuck/push?y=26" target="_blank">TonyStuck</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 50萬就隨便了吧</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/16 09:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cylu7878/push?y=26" target="_blank">cylu7878</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出清換2330 滿滿台灣價值</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/16 09:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aries5420/push?y=26" target="_blank">aries5420</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一鍵出清</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/16 10:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/macetyl/push?y=26" target="_blank">macetyl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 全賣掉 買0050就好了</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/16 10:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knowing/push?y=26" target="_blank">knowing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都沒賺錢啊 全部出清換台積電</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/16 10:20</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knowing/push?y=26" target="_blank">knowing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要領息就幫他換00713</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/knowing/push?y=26" target="_blank">knowing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 紀念品價值很低 不用為紀念品留著</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leito/push?y=26" target="_blank">leito</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還有這麼高的康那香 是個狠人 現在口罩一個一元以</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/16 10:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leito/push?y=26" target="_blank">leito</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幫忙處理是什麼意思? 是要丟還是要留講清楚很難嗎</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/16 10:59</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又不是實體的東西放著佔空間需要清掉</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tdyer/push?y=26" target="_blank">tdyer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要碰別人的錢</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/16 11:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GABA/push?y=26" target="_blank">GABA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先出清換現金 等大盤回檔買進0050</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/16 12:56</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> matt8816. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3TD 2026-05-15T17:49:28+08:00 2026-05-16T08:27:36+08:00

https://mopsov.twse.com.tw/mops/web/t05sr01_1 公開資訊觀測站 1.提報董事會或經董事會決議日期:115/05/15 2.審計委員會通過日期:115/05/15 3.財務報告或年度自結財務資訊報導期間 起訖日期(XXX/XX/XX~XXX/XX/XX):115/01/01-115/03/31 4.1月1日累計至本期止營業收入(仟元):1,057,619 5.1月1日累計至本期止營業毛利(毛損) (仟元):213,081 6.1月1日累計至本期止營業利益(損失) (仟元):73,478 7.1月1日累計至本期止稅前淨利(淨損) (仟元):640,771 8.1月1日累計至本期止本期淨利(淨損) (仟元):550,544 9.1月1日累計至本期止歸屬於母公司業主淨利(損) (仟元):555,583 10.1月1日累計至本期止基本每股盈餘(損失) (元):4.49 11.期末總資產(仟元):5,144,004 12.期末總負債(仟元):1,478,534 13.期末歸屬於母公司業主之權益(仟元):3,659,933 14.其他應敘明事項:無 — ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> matt8816 (亞光)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [情報] 4916事欣科 Q1:4.49<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 17:49:28 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <a href="https://mopsov.twse.com.tw/mops/web/t05sr01_1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mopsov.twse.com.tw/mops/web/t05sr01_1</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://mopsov.twse.com.tw/mops/web/t05sr01_1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>公開資訊觀測站</strong></a></div></div> </div> 1.提報董事會或經董事會決議日期:115/05/15 2.審計委員會通過日期:115/05/15 3.財務報告或年度自結財務資訊報導期間 起訖日期(XXX/XX/XX~XXX/XX/XX):115/01/01-115/03/31 4.1月1日累計至本期止營業收入(仟元):1,057,619 5.1月1日累計至本期止營業毛利(毛損) (仟元):213,081 6.1月1日累計至本期止營業利益(損失) (仟元):73,478 7.1月1日累計至本期止稅前淨利(淨損) (仟元):640,771 8.1月1日累計至本期止本期淨利(淨損) (仟元):550,544 9.1月1日累計至本期止歸屬於母公司業主淨利(損) (仟元):555,583 10.1月1日累計至本期止基本每股盈餘(損失) (元):4.49 11.期末總資產(仟元):5,144,004 12.期末總負債(仟元):1,478,534 13.期末歸屬於母公司業主之權益(仟元):3,659,933 14.其他應敘明事項:無 ————— 2026 Q1 EPS4.49 2025 全年 EPS1.77 2024 全年 EPS0.02 <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.75.252.150 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: matt8816 2026-05-15 17:49:28</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778838570.A.5EA.html" target="_blank">#1g1kmgNg (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778838570.A.5EA.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778838570.A.5EA.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chiy16/push?y=26" target="_blank">chiy16</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低軌衛星概念 4916事欣科 第一季竟然4.49 這會噴發</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shin0924/push?y=26" target="_blank">shin0924</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ！？</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chiy16/push?y=26" target="_blank">chiy16</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來個三隻漲停都不過分 超出太多了</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 17:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有點猛</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Yesw/push?y=26" target="_blank">Yesw</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這是有業外吧……</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/steven3QXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">steven3QXD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 窩操 這沒有葉外嘛</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haircc/push?y=26" target="_blank">haircc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這有業外吧！！本業這麼猛？？？</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a40999/push?y=26" target="_blank">a40999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這什麼業外賺這麼多？太扯了吧</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/15 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abcdegg0505/push?y=26" target="_blank">abcdegg0505</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪有特定大戶上個月買很多</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 18:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxcv100/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxcv100</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好猛</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 18:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sabishikuma/push?y=26" target="_blank">sabishikuma</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 卧槽！下周先一根</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alonso842/push?y=26" target="_blank">alonso842</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪硬成這樣 原來是內褲</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ws92262/push?y=26" target="_blank">ws92262</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 太猛了吧…</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaibright/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaibright</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這認真？</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dshs/push?y=26" target="_blank">dshs</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 媽啦 他是改做飛彈還是殺小 軍工概念股偷做了什麼</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 18:21</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dshs/push?y=26" target="_blank">dshs</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這沒比3491噴我不信</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 18:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aaa80563/push?y=26" target="_blank">aaa80563</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低軌衛星王</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arstast/push?y=26" target="_blank">arstast</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 業外超乎預期，賣飛了……</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenro/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 夭壽喔，賺不少結果股價還不高</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/edward198791/push?y=26" target="_blank">edward198791</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 野外嗎?</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamaq18c/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamaq18c</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不可能單純本業 這太誇張</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/m10112256/push?y=26" target="_blank">m10112256</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可是低軌不夠純啊</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jenchieh5/push?y=26" target="_blank">jenchieh5</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之前有說處分業外投資</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SphereDavid/push?y=26" target="_blank">SphereDavid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好歹也是SpaceX供應鏈</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/imlucky/push?y=26" target="_blank">imlucky</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又是開瓶器概念股，厲害</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 18:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lolbro/push?y=26" target="_blank">lolbro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 挖到石油了？</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 18:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeremyyyy/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeremyyyy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下周一開盤漲停買的到嗎？</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssaamm810130/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssaamm810130</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週一會一字鎖</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 19:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zackro/push?y=26" target="_blank">zackro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 首季業外處分轉投資恩德股票</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 19:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovemelissa/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovemelissa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 恩得只佔eps 0.15</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 19:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hbk4ever/push?y=26" target="_blank">hbk4ever</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 妖股</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 19:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenjip1p2/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenjip1p2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 業外567 看過了</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littleheadv/push?y=26" target="_blank">littleheadv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漲停</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenjip1p2/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenjip1p2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這eps真的太扯了 但這年頭看eps做股票的都在海上了</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 20:08</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenjip1p2/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenjip1p2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 該鬼轉投控了 業外是電腦周邊</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這eps，股價乘2都還算太便宜</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 22:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/source0209/push?y=26" target="_blank">source0209</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 靠，賣飛</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/16 00:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/second155T/push?y=26" target="_blank">second155T</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是業外沒錯，本業只有0.51</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/16 01:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ayai555/push?y=26" target="_blank">ayai555</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 什麼業外這麼賺？</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/16 01:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看也知道 業外佔了九成</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/16 07:45</span> <span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 合併公 司 對恩 德公 司 及其 子 公司 銳德 公 司</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之 投 資於 114 年度 原 採權益 法 評價 ， 於 115</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 年 1 月 1 日 至 3 月 31 日 以 152,678 仟元 處</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 分部 分之恩 德 股權 而 喪失 重大 影 響。 合 併</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公 司持 有 恩德 剩 餘 17.99%之股 權 ，加計 銳</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 德公 司 4.73%之 股權 ， 依喪 失 重大 影 響力 日</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 之公 允價 值 941,686仟元轉列為透過其他綜合損益</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tswen/push?y=26" target="_blank">tswen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 按公允價值衡量之金融資產。</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> joanzkow. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Th 2026-05-15T17:06:59+08:00 2026-05-15T21:49:15+08:00

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<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> joanzkow (星浪)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 伊朗媒體：美國拒絕伊朗14點談判方案<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 17:06:59 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <span style="color:#F00000">文章標題 請使用 原新聞標題 勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分</span> <span style="color:#008080">原文標題：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿刪減或自創標題，違者4-1處分，此行請刪除</span> 伊朗媒體：美國拒絕伊朗14點談判方案 <span style="color:#008080">原文連結：</span> <span style="color:#808080">網址超過一行，請用縮網址，連結不能點擊者板規 1-2-2 處分</span>。 <a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166566.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166566.htm</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166566.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>伊朗媒體：美國拒絕伊朗14點談判方案 | ETtoday國際新聞 | ETtoday新聞雲</strong></a> <a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166566.htm" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1280" data-ori_h="853" style="width:1280px;height:853px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8669/e8669130.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a>伊朗媒體德黑蘭時報15日報導，美國拒絕伊朗提出的14點談判方案，美方這是再次重申其強硬立場，特別在核議題方面。() ...</div></div> </div> <span style="color:#008080">發布時間：</span> <span style="color:#808080">請勿張貼超過3天新聞</span> 2026年05月15日 17:02 <span style="color:#008080">記者署名：</span> 詹雅婷 <span style="color:#008080">原文內容：</span> 伊朗媒體：美國拒絕伊朗14點談判方案 ETTODAY <a href="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8669/d8669130.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8669/d8669130.jpg</a> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="600" data-ori_h="400" style="width:600px;height:400px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/8669/d8669130.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> ▲圖為伊朗國旗。（圖／路透） 記者詹雅婷／綜合報導 伊朗媒體德黑蘭時報15日報導，美國拒絕伊朗提出的14點談判方案，美方這是再次重申其 強硬立場，特別在核議題方面。 報導指出，伊朗所提出的談判方案涵蓋兩大階段，第一階段為結束所有戰線上的戰事，若 伊朗條件得到滿足，將啟動第二階段涉及核議題的談判。 <a href="https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166566.htm" target="_blank">https://www.ettoday.net/news/20260515/3166566.htm</a> <span style="color:#008080">心得/評論：</span> 大的要來囉，看川普回到美國後會不會修理伊朗 今晚美股應該很精彩 大家怎麼看接下來世界股市的發展 海峽衝突又要上演了嗎 <span style="color:#008000">※必須填寫</span><span style="color:#F0F000">滿30正體中文字</span><span style="color:#FFF">，心得過短或濫竽充數將以板規 1-2-3 處分</span> <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.160.56 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: joanzkow 2026-05-15 17:06:59</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778836021.A.592.html" target="_blank">#1g1k8rMI (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778836021.A.592.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778836021.A.592.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/soon55555/push?y=26" target="_blank">soon55555</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Meta</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 17:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/robust083/push?y=26" target="_blank">robust083</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等待尾盤vvvv</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CATTOS25/push?y=26" target="_blank">CATTOS25</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末鬼故事又要開演啦！</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/soon55555/push?y=26" target="_blank">soon55555</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Maga</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是taco</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/15 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hsiang0619/push?y=26" target="_blank">hsiang0619</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 噴</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 17:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccjj8/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccjj8</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大的要來了</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 17:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lltools/push?y=26" target="_blank">lltools</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不重要一定TACO 等一下就會出來宣佈我們談的很好</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/15 17:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Westzone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Westzone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 演戲演得差不多了，該做點事了</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 17:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sabishikuma/push?y=26" target="_blank">sabishikuma</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末來乒乒乓乓</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 17:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ab4daa/push?y=26" target="_blank">ab4daa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那就繼續打 一定要打到底</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 17:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason168/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason168</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 把被習大大羞辱的氣出在伊朗身上0.o”</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 17:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/esso78124/push?y=26" target="_blank">esso78124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ID</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 17:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ethan0419/push?y=26" target="_blank">ethan0419</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我覺得你們還是去玩UNO好惹</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 17:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/loveadu/push?y=26" target="_blank">loveadu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 來囉，跟I皇一起殺爆台股</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 17:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/snobbish/push?y=26" target="_blank">snobbish</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 兩個都沒底氣的整天互嗆</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 17:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Muilie/push?y=26" target="_blank">Muilie</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/NaoXZLLg.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/NaoXZLLg.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 17:15</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/NaoXZLLg.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1201" data-ori_h="678" style="width:1201px;height:678px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_NaoXZLLg.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nikok/push?y=26" target="_blank">nikok</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難解決了</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 17:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yulunyeh/push?y=26" target="_blank">yulunyeh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒事兒沒事兒 已經跟吸莖評喬好了</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 17:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sean50802/push?y=26" target="_blank">sean50802</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰急了？</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 17:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a12838910/push?y=26" target="_blank">a12838910</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓下 說一下這局怎解? 海峽已經封鎖75天了</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 17:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a12838910/push?y=26" target="_blank">a12838910</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 通膨也明顯上升中</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as6633208/push?y=26" target="_blank">as6633208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: AI泡沫來了 即將崩盤</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/falcon11/push?y=26" target="_blank">falcon11</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子要被恐攻發威伊朗才會乖吧</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 17:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ChanHoPark/push?y=26" target="_blank">ChanHoPark</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/psallen/push?y=26" target="_blank">psallen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有跌就買 免驚</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joy462110/push?y=26" target="_blank">joy462110</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正，老川每次都是週五來一波大消息，宰肥羊來吃</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 17:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大的</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 17:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QooSnow/push?y=26" target="_blank">QooSnow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: @一郎，謝謝您，嘻嘻。</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 17:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rrroooqqq/push?y=26" target="_blank">rrroooqqq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週六開扁，然後週日晚上又說和談了</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 17:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a12838910/push?y=26" target="_blank">a12838910</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我記得版上有人說 4月說 才鎖一個月 別該該叫</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 17:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntr203/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntr203</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼每次利空都在週末 不給空軍賺喔？</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 17:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週末日常</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dreamnook2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dreamnook2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: (′・ω・‵)會同意就不叫美帝了</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gwofeng/push?y=26" target="_blank">gwofeng</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股市就是因為不看好中東局勢吧</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aloness/push?y=26" target="_blank">aloness</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟中國講好了，現在可以回過頭來處理伊朗</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sussj/push?y=26" target="_blank">sussj</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週五製造恐慌，週日TACO，周一收割</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tmdl/push?y=26" target="_blank">tmdl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慘了</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MaxMillian/push?y=26" target="_blank">MaxMillian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今晚放話兼開打 週日核...我說和談</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s881720/push?y=26" target="_blank">s881720</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國要的就是投降書 怎麼可能答應</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原油噴噴 逐漸往110去</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fuhoho/push?y=26" target="_blank">fuhoho</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放我出去阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 17:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a11011788/push?y=26" target="_blank">a11011788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 開戰啦 跟中國談完了</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 17:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chachabo/push?y=26" target="_blank">chachabo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒空理你</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hosen/push?y=26" target="_blank">hosen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去中國談了個寂寞</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sim3000/push?y=26" target="_blank">sim3000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川普會在週末解決問題</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a12838910/push?y=26" target="_blank">a12838910</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 肯定會 川寶:伊朗真的很想和談</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/15 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒什麼大的啊，伊朗討價還價再下去就是繼續收神棍</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 17:37</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 神棍怒撤正常的政務官 提拔年輕神棍衛隊排隊領便當</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fcuhua/push?y=26" target="_blank">fcuhua</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗那條件還以為自己打到紐約了嗎</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wulaw5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">wulaw5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 原油今天賣飛QQ</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 周而復始，美軍戰略目標 取出濃縮鈾 打打蚊子快艇</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 17:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去中國是談生意+關稅 沒了 伊朗可以無能狂怒了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a12838910/push?y=26" target="_blank">a12838910</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用打紐約啊 弄通膨 舒舒服服</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 17:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/karno/push?y=26" target="_blank">karno</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 銀彈準備好了</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 17:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不然看看神棍要不要用濃縮鈾換30年黃豆+玉米期貨</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/borriss/push?y=26" target="_blank">borriss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又双拿去換薪水比較實在 油被自己卡死了</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joygo/push?y=26" target="_blank">joygo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那條件能接受才神奇</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/15 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 維尼的棄子 可憐啊</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟中國談完 接下來可以搞伊朗了</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/15 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hihi29/push?y=26" target="_blank">hihi29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: taco 不知好歹 美國慘了</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 17:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/losehope/push?y=26" target="_blank">losehope</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/S07oOX.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/S07oOX.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="559" style="width:1024px;height:559px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/S07oOX.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tamynumber1/push?y=26" target="_blank">tamynumber1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 川投顧這次call 訊比人家慢哦</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/15 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hesenberg/push?y=26" target="_blank">hesenberg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 美國通膨+0.1 伊朗+100% 還是贏麻了 人命賤的好處</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 接受才是新聞，其他都是廢文。</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 18:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Tab/push?y=26" target="_blank">Tab</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/KeiU4s.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/KeiU4s.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 18:07</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="450" data-ori_h="800" style="width:450px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/KeiU4s.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zephyr105/push?y=26" target="_blank">zephyr105</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快點打好嗎 煩不煩</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn02620938/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn02620938</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 趕快幹一發大的</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 18:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coveted/push?y=26" target="_blank">coveted</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 砸爛這毒瘤</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 18:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Bmtswiiii/push?y=26" target="_blank">Bmtswiiii</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 中美和和氣氣談好了 伊朗已經沒牌了</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/15 18:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gest7240/push?y=26" target="_blank">gest7240</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 18:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NgJovi/push?y=26" target="_blank">NgJovi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我川要教小孩惹</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ychiachun/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ychiachun</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給上車的機會</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/greedypeople/push?y=26" target="_blank">greedypeople</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子:那個伊朗我們已經不要了</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子：我們一起分石油</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 18:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aallrightstw/push?y=26" target="_blank">aallrightstw</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 每次都當習近平的臉開大</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 18:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beebee/push?y=26" target="_blank">beebee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗煩不煩，爛政權趕快倒一倒</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jerome01/push?y=26" target="_blank">jerome01</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 過氣了</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 19:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuen1029/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuen1029</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 世界杯快到了 戰場趕快清一清</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/15 19:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QooSnow/push?y=26" target="_blank">QooSnow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: @一郎，一直拖，就能大勝利，嘻嘻。</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/15 19:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herculus6502/push?y=26" target="_blank">herculus6502</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/15 19:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 14點不談那早上9點能嗎</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/15 19:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c94dk40204/push?y=26" target="_blank">c94dk40204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: TACO O(∩_∩)O哈哈~</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 19:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/AtDe/push?y=26" target="_blank">AtDe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不重要</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/15 20:00</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wicer/push?y=26" target="_blank">wicer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 周末回去倒一下時差 等處理伊朗又是禮拜一晚上了</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 20:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lavign/push?y=26" target="_blank">lavign</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 伊朗再多轟幾艘美艦窟窿</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 20:55</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> AnimalSpirit. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3Tg 2026-05-15T17:37:56+08:00 2026-05-16T20:15:59+08:00

郭明錤稱Intel取得的蘋果晶片代工訂單8成用於基礎版iPhone https://www.cool3c.com/article/248595 郭明錤稱Intel取得的蘋果晶片代工訂單8成用於基礎版iPhone #台積電 (248595) - Cool3c Chevelle.fu發佈郭明錤稱Intel取得的蘋果晶片代工訂單8成用於基礎版iPhone，最新資訊於2026-05-15 12:10：果不再單押台積電，但畢竟雙方並未進一步解釋合作方式與計畫，也讓這樁合作案的背後有許多值得探討之處；根據知名分析師郭明錤指稱，蘋果預期將把Intel的8成產能用於入 ... Chevelle.fu 2026.05.15 12:06PM Intel與蘋果初步達成晶片代工協議的消息提振Intel晶圓代工業務的士氣，同時也讓外界 感受蘋果不再單押台積電，但畢竟雙方並未進一步解釋合作方式與計畫，也讓這樁合作案 的背後有許多值得探討之處；根據知名分析師郭明錤指稱，蘋果預期將把Intel的8成產能 用於入門級iPhone晶片，剩下2成則生產入門級M系列電腦級晶片。 正如外界揣測，蘋果不會貿然把最頂尖的晶片 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> AnimalSpirit (動物本能)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [新聞] 郭明錤稱Intel取得的蘋果晶片代工訂單8<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 17:37:56 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 郭明錤稱Intel取得的蘋果晶片代工訂單8成用於基礎版iPhone <a href="https://www.cool3c.com/article/248595" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.cool3c.com/article/248595</a> <div align="center"><div style="background-color:#222; margin:.25em; padding:.25em; text-align:left;"><div class="quote_in"><a href="https://www.cool3c.com/article/248595" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>郭明錤稱Intel取得的蘋果晶片代工訂單8成用於基礎版iPhone #台積電 (248595) - Cool3c</strong></a> Chevelle.fu發佈郭明錤稱Intel取得的蘋果晶片代工訂單8成用於基礎版iPhone，最新資訊於2026-05-15 12:10：果不再單押台積電，但畢竟雙方並未進一步解釋合作方式與計畫，也讓這樁合作案的背後有許多值得探討之處；根據知名分析師郭明錤指稱，蘋果預期將把Intel的8成產能用於入 ...</div></div> </div> Chevelle.fu 2026.05.15 12:06PM <div class="combine-lines">Intel與蘋果初步達成晶片代工協議的消息提振Intel晶圓代工業務的士氣，同時也讓外界 感受蘋果不再單押台積電，但畢竟雙方並未進一步解釋合作方式與計畫，也讓這樁合作案 的背後有許多值得探討之處；根據知名分析師郭明錤指稱，蘋果預期將把Intel的8成產能 用於入門級iPhone晶片，剩下2成則生產入門級M系列電腦級晶片。</div> <div class="combine-lines">正如外界揣測，蘋果不會貿然把最頂尖的晶片轉到首次在晶圓代工合作的Intel，預期蘋 果將率先在2027年入門版的M7晶片使用Intel的18A-P製程，而2028年用於入門款iPhone的 A21晶片則使用18A-P或下一代的14A製程，但配比相當懸殊，A21晶片將佔蘋果向Intel下 單產能的80%，M7僅佔20%。</div> <div class="combine-lines">進一步解析A21及M7懸殊的配比，也反映蘋果終端裝置的銷售狀況，亦及即便是銷售相對 較弱的入門款iPhone，也遠壓倒入門級PC裝置與進階平板的銷售；此外郭明錤預期考慮到 Intel的製程週期更迭，即便屆時A14製程已經推出，但原本就著重在經濟效益的A21仍會 偏向使用技術成熟且成本更低的A18-P製程。</div> 以結果來說，蘋果雖然與Intel達成初步代工協議，但在充滿不確定性的首次代工合作的 前提，蘋果仍會把最先進的高階晶片委由台積電生產，而M7及A21的代工表現，將決定 Intel後續是否會爭取到更多的代工機會；但另外據稱蘋果也在考慮將代號Baltra的ASIC 晶片委託Intel使用EMIB進行封裝。 <div class="combine-lines">不過從現實來看，Intel能爭取到蘋果代工的原因除了包括迎合美國製造的國家方針及分 散風險以外，也有著台積電當前先進製程已經被AI與高性能運算的晶片搶佔有關，蘋果不 再是台積電產能的最大客戶的前提，以及考慮到整體成本，使得蘋果先行將對最先進製程 依賴較低的產品轉到其它代工業者。</div> 心得： 蘋果仍會把最先進的高階晶片委由台積電生產 =&gt; 台GG 還是王者 而M7及A21的代工表現，將決定Intel後續是否會爭取到更多的代工機會 =&gt; 牙膏王 先來考考模擬考，考過再給大單 三爽呢？還沒上戲？ <div style="clear:both"></div>-- <span class="record">※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 220.143.152.126 (臺灣)</span> <span class="record">※ 作者: AnimalSpirit 2026-05-15 17:37:56</span> <span class="record">※ 文章代碼(AID): <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778837878.A.6BC.html" target="_blank">#1g1kbsQy (Stock)</a></span> <span class="record">※ 文章網址: <a href="https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778837878.A.6BC.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1778837878.A.6BC.html</a></span> <div class="re-group"></div> <div class="ptt-push-group"> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asjh612/push?y=26" target="_blank">asjh612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 你...不要....再說...了....</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 17:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asjh612/push?y=26" target="_blank">asjh612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 992330</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b2060027830/push?y=26" target="_blank">b2060027830</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做久了，品質上來，不排除</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/johnwu/push?y=26" target="_blank">johnwu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 17:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/steak5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">steak5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 漏電？過熱？火龍</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/15 17:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/appledick/push?y=26" target="_blank">appledick</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Mac Neo</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 17:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gmailsucks/push?y=26" target="_blank">gmailsucks</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: SE系列？</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 17:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yousking/push?y=26" target="_blank">yousking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 腫麼有人懷疑（初始的起源）英特爾發跡各位還在吸奶</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/15 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/giantwinter/push?y=26" target="_blank">giantwinter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 數字板廢了</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 手機死定了…電腦還可以不那麼計較發熱</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/magamanzero/push?y=26" target="_blank">magamanzero</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 某個跑去intel的...</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/isco/push?y=26" target="_blank">isco</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這位講的歷史去搜看看，就知道準不準，有沒有料</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc12e/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc12e</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個比例主體要搞清楚 是標準版8成intel還是intel</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 17:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc12e/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc12e</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做的晶片8成給標準版</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc12e/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc12e</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果是後者，不一定代表intel吃下大部分晶片，有可</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc12e/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc12e</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能只有少部分而已</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stillboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">stillboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別忘了台積以前也都是從拿人家不要的起家</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sam90205/push?y=26" target="_blank">sam90205</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這人有準過嗎？</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pns215/push?y=26" target="_blank">pns215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 郭明騏最愛唱衰台積的垃圾分析師</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mit2502/push?y=26" target="_blank">mit2502</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 照中文的說法 8成=意思是可能</span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Joeyangyu/push?y=26" target="_blank">Joeyangyu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這人還真的算準的 業界人士</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pns215/push?y=26" target="_blank">pns215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聽他的你1000下的台積早就賣光也不敢買回</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lingsk/push?y=26" target="_blank">lingsk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除了螢幕外連晶片要看是哪家了嗎</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chuntien/push?y=26" target="_blank">chuntien</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蘋果基礎版的這樣是怎麼跟安卓打……</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tist/push?y=26" target="_blank">tist</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歸剛耶</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hydra7/push?y=26" target="_blank">hydra7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 做面子給川皇吧</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/el1901/push?y=26" target="_blank">el1901</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這意思是明年買普通版iphone 應該是intel版本</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/freeawei/push?y=26" target="_blank">freeawei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只好改用pro</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 舊晶片本來就不需要先進製程</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SShirakawa/push?y=26" target="_blank">SShirakawa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等手機能裝塔散再來空GG不遲</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lnonai/push?y=26" target="_blank">lnonai</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 逼人買pro的商法嗎</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ueo2518/push?y=26" target="_blank">ueo2518</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積的敵人只有自己除非高階再上去有問題</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ronga/push?y=26" target="_blank">ronga</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不單壓台積電(X) 台積電訂單爆滿(O)</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 17:57</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ronga/push?y=26" target="_blank">ronga</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在intel就缺錢練功，代工晶片會比較便宜</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cospergod/push?y=26" target="_blank">cospergod</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 讚</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 17:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/koiiro/push?y=26" target="_blank">koiiro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那是不是用了</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david3033/push?y=26" target="_blank">david3033</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪數字版要延到明年春季發表，蘋果頭也很大吧</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 18:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chewthelife8/push?y=26" target="_blank">chewthelife8</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個廢咖總是在需要恐的時候出來嚇你 已經N次了還</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 18:04</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chewthelife8/push?y=26" target="_blank">chewthelife8</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會被騙的活該一輩子窮</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/josephpu/push?y=26" target="_blank">josephpu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有些人看到標題就很急 但內容明明很中性</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eriker/push?y=26" target="_blank">eriker</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一次經驗都沒有要量產2奈米晶片 做m6 air iphone 18</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 18:14</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eriker/push?y=26" target="_blank">eriker</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ？ 這是認真的嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yu1111116/push?y=26" target="_blank">yu1111116</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先下單17了</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 18:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DALUGI/push?y=26" target="_blank">DALUGI</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用膝蓋想也知道</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 18:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基礎版？科科 牙膏產能夠嗎？</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/minigo/push?y=26" target="_blank">minigo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 蘋果給Intel練手，等熟了之後…</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 18:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orze04/push?y=26" target="_blank">orze04</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 假的到不行</span><span class="push-right">47F 05/15 18:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/misthide/push?y=26" target="_blank">misthide</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒差 反正我本來就會買pro版</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Tohkachan/push?y=26" target="_blank">Tohkachan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有客戶就能改善 這都是GG的威脅</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smart1989/push?y=26" target="_blank">smart1989</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: Pro賣爆</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chasd78/push?y=26" target="_blank">chasd78</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還好都買pro</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jacket664/push?y=26" target="_blank">jacket664</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 手機售價該調降了吧</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 18:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以後誰買到誰衰 好險我都買promax</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/15 18:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/QQMMWA/push?y=26" target="_blank">QQMMWA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台積電應該要繼續擴產 不能讓其他廠有練功的機會</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 記住MacBook air neo , iPhone19自己小心買到爛貨</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 18:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/isaka/push?y=26" target="_blank">isaka</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 貧果太狠了 原來還有這招可以逼人家換pro</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 18:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leo3258/push?y=26" target="_blank">leo3258</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在我川就是要給人免費練功的機會</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 18:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/deepelves/push?y=26" target="_blank">deepelves</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股版多蛙賺到流湯都拿pro以上的沒差</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/15 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/meowgy/push?y=26" target="_blank">meowgy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: intc cpu給tsm代工，然後接apple的單來練功，計畫通</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 18:39</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/meowgy/push?y=26" target="_blank">meowgy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一個，來給他拍拍手</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssshleo/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssshleo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: iphone 17的含金量還在上升</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 18:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sleepinggod/push?y=26" target="_blank">sleepinggod</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會不會iPhone基礎版的校門比Pro版還強</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 18:41</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sleepinggod/push?y=26" target="_blank">sleepinggod</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 效能</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只分的到低階 可憐哪</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 18:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tsaiweili/push?y=26" target="_blank">tsaiweili</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 意思就是別再買燙蘋果了！</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 18:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pikaaco/push?y=26" target="_blank">pikaaco</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 基本版就沒人要的東西</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 18:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dan000001/push?y=26" target="_blank">dan000001</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 17變史上最涼的一代笑死</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 18:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MP357/push?y=26" target="_blank">MP357</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這個唬爛師又又又來了？嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 18:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/swanc/push?y=26" target="_blank">swanc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不是廢話嗎，不然一開始用高端機然後翻車怎麼辦</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 18:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g9911761/push?y=26" target="_blank">g9911761</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有單就能練功啊</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/15 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/peatle/push?y=26" target="_blank">peatle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 明年pro即將賣爆</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 19:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Fuji/push?y=26" target="_blank">Fuji</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這不是逼大家買旗艦版嗎</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cms6384/push?y=26" target="_blank">cms6384</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 逼人買高階 高招耶</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cleanx/push?y=26" target="_blank">cleanx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只是成熟製程的晶片</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/madaofreak/push?y=26" target="_blank">madaofreak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣肥肥要換I17還是I18啊=.=</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 19:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevabc1/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevabc1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 對! 台積就是最強 晶片就是只能用它的其他都不行 不</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 19:22</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevabc1/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevabc1</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用台積晶片就是死翹翹就是跟全台灣人做對</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Luefa/push?y=26" target="_blank">Luefa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 登 登登登登</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 19:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buddhawu/push?y=26" target="_blank">buddhawu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 簡單啊，iphone基礎版降價、Pro漲價，看你怎麼選</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/15 19:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/amazingwow/push?y=26" target="_blank">amazingwow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/15 19:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanleyplus/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanleyplus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪GG分紅縮水 丸子</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/15 19:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/superstu/push?y=26" target="_blank">superstu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看起來M6 還是台積電代工吧（？</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/15 19:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Miyagi13/push?y=26" target="_blank">Miyagi13</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 可以來看pro怎麼缺貨了</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 19:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rock2345/push?y=26" target="_blank">rock2345</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 噴火龍手機 用一用還會把自己電死</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/15 19:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/visadanny/push?y=26" target="_blank">visadanny</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好了啦 蘋果很重要嗎？ 找存在感</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/foolwind/push?y=26" target="_blank">foolwind</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 入門級配垃圾剛剛好</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 19:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/atp2498/push?y=26" target="_blank">atp2498</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: iphone要死機了</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/15 19:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/denny2000/push?y=26" target="_blank">denny2000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這摳都賣新聞來騙票的</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/15 20:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fywei/push?y=26" target="_blank">fywei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 陰特兒良率自己都不夠用了還幫你代工</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/15 20:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就 30 系顯卡</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/15 20:33</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正便宜治百病</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不漲價過熱又怎樣</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Heedictator/push?y=26" target="_blank">Heedictator</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ^效能提高</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cityport/push?y=26" target="_blank">cityport</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 給英特爾代工不如給三星代工</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/15 21:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cheny10/push?y=26" target="_blank">cheny10</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 背面供電的IR較好,power不會輸台積電</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/15 22:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/faelone/push?y=26" target="_blank">faelone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 郭講蘋果的消息還是有點東西的，其他不保證</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/15 22:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wr/push?y=26" target="_blank">wr</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 入門等級的關鍵是便宜治百病</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/15 22:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jen1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">jen1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一萬元以下的愛瘋嗎</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/15 22:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c41231717/push?y=26" target="_blank">c41231717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 業界人士 ^^</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/15 22:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevin1732/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevin1732</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 用在下一代macbook neo才是正解吧</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/16 00:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kevin1732/push?y=26" target="_blank">kevin1732</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 低階晶片、散熱空間夠大</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LLSBOY/push?y=26" target="_blank">LLSBOY</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 曾預測美國建廠會拉低台積電毛利率，且認為市場對</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/16 02:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LLSBOY/push?y=26" target="_blank">LLSBOY</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 輝達訂單與先進封裝過度樂觀。2026 年 5 月，用實</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LLSBOY/push?y=26" target="_blank">LLSBOY</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 質財報與獲利直接打臉其看空言論。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jjjj222/push?y=26" target="_blank">jjjj222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 暗黑兵法, 以後標準版直接消失, 大家只能買pro賺爛</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/16 11:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jiangbau/push?y=26" target="_blank">jiangbau</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看起來是要像NEO一樣便宜搶市？</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/16 12:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OneIsAll/push?y=26" target="_blank">OneIsAll</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 郭是垃圾+1</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/16 14:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zaza1128/push?y=26" target="_blank">zaza1128</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 平價版，沒什麼用吧</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/16 19:21</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> DrowningPool. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3T9 2026-05-15T17:21:58+08:00 2026-05-16T22:27:56+08:00

https://www.ezmoney.com.tw/ETF/Fund/Info?fundCode=63YTW&tabName=value https://i.meee.com.tw/bIZc2P1.jpg 淨值9.93 收盤價10元 收盤還溢價 看來大家不恐慌 (？ ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> DrowningPool (My broken dreams)<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [情報] 00403A 本日淨值 9.93<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 17:21:58 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> <a href="https://www.ezmoney.com.tw/ETF/Fund/Info?fundCode=63YTW&amp;tabName=value" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ezmoney.com.tw/ETF/Fund/Info?fundCode=63YTW&amp;tabName=value</a> <a href="https://i.meee.com.tw/bIZc2P1.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.meee.com.tw/bIZc2P1.jpg</a> <div align="center"><a href="https://meee.com.tw/bIZc2P1" target="_blank" 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class="ptt-push-content">: 哈哈哈哈UCCU</span><span class="push-right">1F 05/15 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a069275235/push?y=26" target="_blank">a069275235</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用緊張 閒聊都還有錢 這裡完全不用擔心</span><span class="push-right">2F 05/15 17:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 申購的都是盤子(O</span><span class="push-right">3F 05/15 17:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yousking/push?y=26" target="_blank">yousking</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不用緊張 大媽買菜錢抄起乃</span><span class="push-right">4F 05/15 17:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thg156yu789/push?y=26" target="_blank">thg156yu789</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940翻版</span><span class="push-right">5F 05/15 17:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/b9513227/push?y=26" target="_blank">b9513227</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韭菜:這次不一樣 傻子才會以為是940</span><span class="push-right">6F 05/15 17:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ufo559/push?y=26" target="_blank">ufo559</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要挑戰最速破發紀錄</span><span class="push-right">7F 05/15 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buffetta/push?y=26" target="_blank">buffetta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除非台股要走空頭了，不然很難變940</span><span class="push-right">8F 05/15 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okbon/push?y=26" target="_blank">okbon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散戶就是盤</span><span class="push-right">9F 05/15 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/IanLi/push?y=26" target="_blank">IanLi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價買給人家套利，散戶還有錢</span><span class="push-right">10F 05/15 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thetide0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">thetide0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 單純卡在發行在短線高點</span><span class="push-right">11F 05/15 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 十幾萬張守護10.0</span><span class="push-right">12F 05/15 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Pheromone/push?y=26" target="_blank">Pheromone</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940韭菜解套高機率以後馬上買403 再住一次套房</span><span class="push-right">13F 05/15 17:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/thetide0512/push?y=26" target="_blank">thetide0512</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 後面GG持續成長帶動台股向上 一樣會往上跑</span><span class="push-right">14F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eastereaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">eastereaster</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長期投資不怕，溢價買又怎樣，不差這點鋪</span><span class="push-right">15F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fp737/push?y=26" target="_blank">fp737</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 守護10元 大家有責</span><span class="push-right">16F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxcv820421/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxcv820421</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A主動蛙：這跟940又不一樣</span><span class="push-right">17F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價沒差</span><span class="push-right">18F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tmdl/push?y=26" target="_blank">tmdl</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死</span><span class="push-right">19F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kmshy/push?y=26" target="_blank">kmshy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/jvUu0E.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/jvUu0E.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">20F 05/15 17:27</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="596" data-ori_h="503" style="width:596px;height:503px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/jvUu0E.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mihu923/push?y=26" target="_blank">mihu923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看起來目前只溢價一點點那就還好啦</span><span class="push-right">21F 05/15 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sim3000/push?y=26" target="_blank">sim3000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 申購時間太微妙了 週一要買的可以去買</span><span class="push-right">22F 05/15 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kmshy/push?y=26" target="_blank">kmshy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 歷史總是不斷重演</span><span class="push-right">23F 05/15 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/danhunter/push?y=26" target="_blank">danhunter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 屢試不爽</span><span class="push-right">24F 05/15 17:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ohya111326/push?y=26" target="_blank">ohya111326</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正最後還是賺錢 不用怕啦 940都演過了</span><span class="push-right">25F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哪有，申購的賺翻了，當日現賣7-8%</span><span class="push-right">26F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julian42/push?y=26" target="_blank">julian42</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403 A手上還有現金比其他的好</span><span class="push-right">27F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hifroge/push?y=26" target="_blank">hifroge</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜一破發 XDD</span><span class="push-right">28F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s881720/push?y=26" target="_blank">s881720</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看淨值幹嘛 不重要 嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">29F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yulunyeh/push?y=26" target="_blank">yulunyeh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下禮拜一就破發了啦</span><span class="push-right">30F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wilson1983/push?y=26" target="_blank">wilson1983</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 10塊還買貴也是服了</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/me123/push?y=26" target="_blank">me123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就算溢價又如何，以後一定會更高</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/B10044013/push?y=26" target="_blank">B10044013</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒差啦 隨便漲一下就超過了</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940漲回來是2025一年整體漲超多，但403大盤漲的空間</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ychuange/push?y=26" target="_blank">ychuange</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 最速破發主動etf</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SkyFee/push?y=26" target="_blank">SkyFee</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 都貸款了你覺得呢</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a11011788/push?y=26" target="_blank">a11011788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 韭菜套在山上</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有限，不可能像去年那樣噴</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 17:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PitzMan/push?y=26" target="_blank">PitzMan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週一跳空~~</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssaamm810130/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssaamm810130</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 舒服</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/DonDonFans/push?y=26" target="_blank">DonDonFans</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ssaamm810130/push?y=26" target="_blank">ssaamm810130</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 脆：我的錢乾你p4</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 17:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SABA0/push?y=26" target="_blank">SABA0</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣還溢價</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 17:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as555/push?y=26" target="_blank">as555</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下周就噴了 不怕</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lan3695120/push?y=26" target="_blank">lan3695120</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動蛙：我們不是你你韭是你</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mihu923/push?y=26" target="_blank">mihu923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實放長期來看都會上去，但問題應該是很多人都騙</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 17:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mihu923/push?y=26" target="_blank">mihu923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己會放很久呵呵</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lesnaree2/push?y=26" target="_blank">lesnaree2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幾百萬張套牢</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fuhoho/push?y=26" target="_blank">fuhoho</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 長期投資</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lesnaree2/push?y=26" target="_blank">lesnaree2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 並不是所有股市都能回到高點的..</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cl3bp6/push?y=26" target="_blank">cl3bp6</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 難怪外資又賣了40萬張 套利一時爽 一直套利一直爽</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fp737/push?y=26" target="_blank">fp737</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等五萬點 不急</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xyz08/push?y=26" target="_blank">xyz08</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買這檔什麼時候變成長期投資了…</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/15 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/ftp2Rl.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/ftp2Rl.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 17:33</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="600" data-ori_h="413" style="width:600px;height:413px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/ftp2Rl.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lan3695120/push?y=26" target="_blank">lan3695120</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放很久的前提都要設定能扛過30%跌幅</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動教一直都是做短的 什麼規模大了就跑</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buffetta/push?y=26" target="_blank">buffetta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去買403的就是追高無誤…而且還溢價5-7%時拼命追。</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 17:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buffetta/push?y=26" target="_blank">buffetta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不過應該是短套啦，940那種一套就一年以上的是因為</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buffetta/push?y=26" target="_blank">buffetta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 被動高股息僵化操作制度導致的，403是靈活操作，等</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buffetta/push?y=26" target="_blank">buffetta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股市整理完再衝時，就會回本了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/softflame/push?y=26" target="_blank">softflame</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價買到底在幹嘛</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MoneyDay5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MoneyDay5566</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆抖音 8+9 都在談論 403 跟之前白銀超像</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403標的還不錯吧 如果漲不上去 台股也差不多GG惹</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eink/push?y=26" target="_blank">eink</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: .......</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cprodi/push?y=26" target="_blank">cprodi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 9塊兩成撿屍體 8塊allin</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/selvester/push?y=26" target="_blank">selvester</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我家老人買20張 現少吃兩大餐</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asjh612/push?y=26" target="_blank">asjh612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 台灣人買股票不用管淨值的 溢價5%也要買 會賺就好</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 17:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/say0717/push?y=26" target="_blank">say0717</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價 哈哈哈 再殺</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 17:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xyz08/push?y=26" target="_blank">xyz08</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先整理個兩年，整理完再衝吧</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hellomo/push?y=26" target="_blank">hellomo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣，不要不信</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/15 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bwnzer/push?y=26" target="_blank">bwnzer</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小兒：倒貨超爽</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s9815149/push?y=26" target="_blank">s9815149</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這檔也太盤了吧</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunkissfu/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunkissfu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會不會無限循環？ 賣了又更低</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ZJerry/push?y=26" target="_blank">ZJerry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散戶就是不會從00940學到教訓</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 17:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gmailsucks/push?y=26" target="_blank">gmailsucks</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又一堆大師在預測市場了 有人料到今年四萬點嗎？</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fdkevin/push?y=26" target="_blank">fdkevin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940 2.0...</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HiuAnOP/push?y=26" target="_blank">HiuAnOP</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人傻錢多</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/MinJun5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">MinJun5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940 2.0</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abc12e/push?y=26" target="_blank">abc12e</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是不是有自救會了XD</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/15 17:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fly0204/push?y=26" target="_blank">fly0204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: FB自救會熱情召生中</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/15 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nash1314/push?y=26" target="_blank">nash1314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/Bis41Sy" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/Bis41Sy.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">81F 05/15 17:46</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nash1314/push?y=26" target="_blank">nash1314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 越跌越買不是嗎？抄底 能貸的都貸出來，all in</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="329" data-ori_h="338" style="width:329px;height:338px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/Bis41Sy.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/carbooming/push?y=26" target="_blank">carbooming</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 週一抄底不要怕</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jim272272/push?y=26" target="_blank">jim272272</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403上不去應該整體市場也很慘 不用裝高尚</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/15 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/steven3QXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">steven3QXD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940示範過了 接下來六萬點就能解脫</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/afflic/push?y=26" target="_blank">afflic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 怎麼會拿主動式跟高股息比較……</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nash1314/push?y=26" target="_blank">nash1314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我爸申購50張，第一天溢價太多就先跑了30張，算是</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/15 17:48</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nash1314/push?y=26" target="_blank">nash1314</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 烙幹有夠快</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/orange1204/push?y=26" target="_blank">orange1204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天很多折價破1% 沒人敢接.....</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/15 17:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Ilou/push?y=26" target="_blank">Ilou</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 禮拜一確定破發</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/15 17:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/acgotaku/push?y=26" target="_blank">acgotaku</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家都兩萬歐印滿倉 怕啥</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/15 17:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/apple840622/push?y=26" target="_blank">apple840622</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘎死槓桿仔</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bcismylove/push?y=26" target="_blank">bcismylove</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 9元收</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NKUHT/push?y=26" target="_blank">NKUHT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會到7元嗎............ 940曾經到7元......</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jenchieh5/push?y=26" target="_blank">jenchieh5</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A:我才不是940，韭菜</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iwcuforever/push?y=26" target="_blank">iwcuforever</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式神話這麼快破工</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/15 17:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NKUHT/push?y=26" target="_blank">NKUHT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 聲勢那麼大 結果比940還韭菜...............</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/15 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jenchieh5/push?y=26" target="_blank">jenchieh5</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940當初也是說我不好大家也不會好</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/15 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果會到7元代表台股回到25000點</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/15 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/touchbird/push?y=26" target="_blank">touchbird</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 虧爛 940二號</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/15 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NKUHT/push?y=26" target="_blank">NKUHT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人踩人 繼續往下崩</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/15 17:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NKUHT/push?y=26" target="_blank">NKUHT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比940還韭菜 940曾經7塊多 這個會跌破7塊嗎XD</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiversonx17/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiversonx17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940 2.0 是你???</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/15 17:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果伊朗一顆核彈下來就會到25000點了</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/15 17:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到時大家就可以7元買403a</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SphereDavid/push?y=26" target="_blank">SphereDavid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大逃殺了，抓最後一個</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/15 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c928/push?y=26" target="_blank">c928</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價太高被外豬跑去申購淨值價的票來賣吃豆腐，可悲</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/15 17:55</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c928/push?y=26" target="_blank">c928</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大家可以期待一下 喜迎403a跌到7元</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/15 17:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NKUHT/push?y=26" target="_blank">NKUHT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 比940還韭菜 只能看 跌到7塊這邊時有沒有支撐了....</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/15 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jokem/push?y=26" target="_blank">jokem</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 破！！</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/15 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Waitaha/push?y=26" target="_blank">Waitaha</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等折價就是大盤加碼點</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/15 17:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/firingmoon/push?y=26" target="_blank">firingmoon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哭了</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/15 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 破！</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/15 17:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 先破發殺一波韭菜</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看今天的討論 大家都很期待403a下週繼續跌更深</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/15 17:58</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也就是說原來股版很多人希望台股不要再漲了快點下去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hughfan/push?y=26" target="_blank">hughfan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還好禮拜二有先等等 當時就有板友說溢價5% 不要幹</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/15 18:02</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hughfan/push?y=26" target="_blank">hughfan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 傻事</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason168/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason168</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這檔etf代號：00403/ 空空是你3（嘟嘴貌）</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/15 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/possible322/push?y=26" target="_blank">possible322</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 唯一優點 有台積電20% 所以最低應該還有2元</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/15 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/u9005205/push?y=26" target="_blank">u9005205</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現金還很多....</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/15 18:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herrowui/push?y=26" target="_blank">herrowui</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第二個 940</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/15 18:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/touchbird/push?y=26" target="_blank">touchbird</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等韭菜被殺哭賣股 就有肉吃了</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/15 18:03</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dickey2/push?y=26" target="_blank">dickey2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: tsm adr 溢價怎麼不哭</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/15 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cool10528/push?y=26" target="_blank">cool10528</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 手上持股全套牢，現在要看經理人的操作了</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/15 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sim3000/push?y=26" target="_blank">sim3000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 殺完台股應會穩一點</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/15 18:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GoGoJoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">GoGoJoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 人家舊主動是有肉可以跌 新主動在高基期入局</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/15 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Cger/push?y=26" target="_blank">Cger</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賭禮拜一會漲了解</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/15 18:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在登場的ETF是山頂買股</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/15 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/darkest68/push?y=26" target="_blank">darkest68</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆人說越跌越買，重點一直溢價欸</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/15 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OrangePlusXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">OrangePlusXD</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價1%範圍內也在那邊喊溢價 搞笑</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/15 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所謂山頂買股是指台股在42000就不會再上去的意思嗎</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/15 18:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sim3000/push?y=26" target="_blank">sim3000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 988A 溢價3% ＱＱ</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/15 18:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大多數ETF也都溢價1%以內 那不就通通不要買了</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/15 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Watson0620/push?y=26" target="_blank">Watson0620</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 會笑申購的才是傻…當初開盤賣現賺8-9%</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/15 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 988a在股版卻一堆人人喊買</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/15 18:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NKUHT/push?y=26" target="_blank">NKUHT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買在這麼高的位置 解套時間會不會是940的兩-三倍？</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/15 18:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/abaaaa/push?y=26" target="_blank">abaaaa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 去掉第一天的誇張狀況 後面也還正常的吧 大盤不好阿</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/15 18:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/newstyle/push?y=26" target="_blank">newstyle</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不要搞到下市就好</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/15 18:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403a申購到上市有三週 這三週是台股最好的時候</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/15 18:17</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 當初不要把錢套在403a放在隨便一支ETF 也都超過10%</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vltw5v/push?y=26" target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是長期投資 短線崩沒在怕</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/15 18:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/venusvirus/push?y=26" target="_blank">venusvirus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動之亂終於結束了</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/15 18:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就是很多人一崩就拿940救援啊</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/15 18:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oplk/push?y=26" target="_blank">oplk</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 10$上市 破發 熟悉的劇本？</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/15 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lusifa2007/push?y=26" target="_blank">lusifa2007</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價就別再買</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/15 18:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 偷偷告訴你 981a也破發</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/15 18:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OrangePlusXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">OrangePlusXD</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一堆ETF也會出現1%範圍內的溢價 不就乾脆都別買？在</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/15 18:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OrangePlusXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">OrangePlusXD</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 那邊溢價溢價 難道現在有溢價蛙？</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 在脆上竟然還有人準備下週大買405a等三週賺溢價差</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/15 18:27</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 405a不可能複製403a溢價5% 搞得好像每支ETF都會這樣</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeremyZH/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeremyZH</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這次不一樣</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/15 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OrangePlusXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">OrangePlusXD</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 拿高息940比市值403 也是亂比一通 傻空都跑出來了</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/15 18:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamaq18c/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamaq18c</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幫QQ</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/15 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coolrock/push?y=26" target="_blank">coolrock</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爽買溢價的股票</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/15 18:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a281393/push?y=26" target="_blank">a281393</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快加入自救會</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/15 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamaq18c/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamaq18c</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下禮拜就會破發了</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/15 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/billionaire/push?y=26" target="_blank">billionaire</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 割韭菜</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/15 18:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/denny2000/push?y=26" target="_blank">denny2000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 9.4開始買</span><span class="push-right">160F 05/15 18:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/g817300721/push?y=26" target="_blank">g817300721</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 才上市三天而已是要漲成怎樣</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/15 18:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Puma5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">Puma5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.verb.tw/Z1SaY6uc.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.verb.tw/Z1SaY6uc.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">162F 05/15 18:39</span></div> <div align="center"><a href="https://i.verb.tw/Z1SaY6uc.jpg" target="_blank" class="img" rel="nofollow"><div class="img" data-ori_w="557" data-ori_h="780" style="width:557px;height:780px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i4.disp.cc/t/q/i.verb.tw_Z1SaY6uc.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></a></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌到9.4台股也好不到哪裡 還是有人希望台股一直跌?</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/15 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OrangePlusXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">OrangePlusXD</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 就說是傻空出來反串</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/15 18:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rahim03/push?y=26" target="_blank">rahim03</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 988a是跨不同時區的 折溢價不能跟標的是台灣的ETF比</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/15 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lsj049/push?y=26" target="_blank">lsj049</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來下禮拜看到9塊不意外 10塊還能溢價是三小</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/15 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週看到9塊台股就應該35000以下了</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/15 18:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OrangePlusXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">OrangePlusXD</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 想接破發大禮包送？附贈台股大盤3萬5</span><span class="push-right">168F 05/15 18:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kwanles/push?y=26" target="_blank">kwanles</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這時候就很看經理人了吧?</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/15 18:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NKUHT/push?y=26" target="_blank">NKUHT</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等7塊看看好了 940曾經到7塊</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/15 18:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 告訴樓上最快7塊的方法 就是伊朗核彈連炸三天</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/15 18:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sonas/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sonas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 塊陶鴨</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/15 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wedgwood/push?y=26" target="_blank">wedgwood</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現金還有近20%</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/15 19:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nikoyaka9527/push?y=26" target="_blank">nikoyaka9527</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價容易被外資賣而已</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/15 19:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這支沒問題 可以買</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/15 19:06</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/baolidab/push?y=26" target="_blank">baolidab</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要比淨值，台積也是200元，怎說？</span><span class="push-right">176F 05/15 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 只是4萬2建倉 難度很大</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/15 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q888atPt/push?y=26" target="_blank">q888atPt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 股板都壞人 不要信股板的</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/15 19:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kyle10427/push?y=26" target="_blank">kyle10427</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 問就是買</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/15 19:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/arashivivian/push?y=26" target="_blank">arashivivian</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我勸你們是不要多管閒事</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/15 19:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403會不會有合併的一天，不然股價太難看了</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/15 19:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 4萬2建倉有問題嗎?會覺得難度高不就認為這是高點了?</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/15 19:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aowen/push?y=26" target="_blank">aowen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 有低能兒看股價來決定會不會溢價耶</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/15 19:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/RaiGend0519/push?y=26" target="_blank">RaiGend0519</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 丸子</span><span class="push-right">184F 05/15 19:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 因為大筆資金的建倉需要時間啊</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/15 19:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/one2three3/push?y=26" target="_blank">one2three3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己的選擇，放久就回來了</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/15 19:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940是大盤漲了快20000點才回來</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/15 19:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Wilsonek/push?y=26" target="_blank">Wilsonek</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投信已賺錢+看笑話中</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/15 19:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/beforehand/push?y=26" target="_blank">beforehand</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 似曾相似</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/15 19:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/julia66/push?y=26" target="_blank">julia66</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 既視感</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/15 19:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jumilin927/push?y=26" target="_blank">jumilin927</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 破！</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/15 19:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看了今天台股夜盤 下週一沒意外應該破發了</span><span class="push-right">192F 05/15 19:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cloudychao/push?y=26" target="_blank">cloudychao</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00940的2.0版本，高點出ETF</span><span class="push-right">193F 05/15 19:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/benboman/push?y=26" target="_blank">benboman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本來就該是這價格,是一堆韭菜買到溢價</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/15 19:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Iponponman/push?y=26" target="_blank">Iponponman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣太好了 給再一次申購</span><span class="push-right">195F 05/15 19:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fireandice/push?y=26" target="_blank">fireandice</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 第二個940</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/15 19:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/smallkop/push?y=26" target="_blank">smallkop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 破破破</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/15 19:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s87269x/push?y=26" target="_blank">s87269x</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 媽的我掛9.99買不到</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/15 19:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/taihsin/push?y=26" target="_blank">taihsin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嘻嘻 第一天賣了 屌賺</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/15 19:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tigerzz3/push?y=26" target="_blank">tigerzz3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 史上最大韭菜</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/15 19:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/avcds1111/push?y=26" target="_blank">avcds1111</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高檔推這種 真的很難救</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/15 20:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joe2/push?y=26" target="_blank">joe2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://imgur.com/qFK4DvL" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/qFK4DvL.jpeg</a></span><span class="push-right">202F 05/15 20:01</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="1024" data-ori_h="705" style="width:1024px;height:705px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.imgur.com/qFK4DvLh.jpeg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chentran/push?y=26" target="_blank">chentran</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 預購的第一天就賣的賺爛了</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/15 20:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/littleheadv/push?y=26" target="_blank">littleheadv</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 破發了</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/15 20:08</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/aza0290/push?y=26" target="_blank">aza0290</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 相似的產品太多 沒什麼新鮮感了</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/15 20:14</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asas123sdsa/push?y=26" target="_blank">asas123sdsa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940還沒上市就破發了 403還差得遠</span><span class="push-right">206F 05/15 20:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/limusing/push?y=26" target="_blank">limusing</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 韭菜</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/15 20:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qsc753/push?y=26" target="_blank">qsc753</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌的時候溢價就一堆個股套牢蛙出來笑</span><span class="push-right">208F 05/15 20:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qsc753/push?y=26" target="_blank">qsc753</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 940當初追蹤都垃圾股配高息搶進名單內 403A目前看是</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qsc753/push?y=26" target="_blank">qsc753</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 正相關你各位的持股</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qsc753/push?y=26" target="_blank">qsc753</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 要它爛到底 自己庫存也好不到哪去</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Kobe5210/push?y=26" target="_blank">Kobe5210</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 重現00940韭樣</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/15 20:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看葉盤會準嗎 昨天葉盤幾點今天早盤幾點 菜味都飄</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/15 20:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ProJ/push?y=26" target="_blank">ProJ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出來了</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guowei616/push?y=26" target="_blank">guowei616</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我有申購 第一天賣10.93 現在市場菜鳥韭菜一堆 根</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/15 20:51</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guowei616/push?y=26" target="_blank">guowei616</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 本送錢給你的東西</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stocktonty/push?y=26" target="_blank">stocktonty</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 完全跟2年前939.940之亂一樣</span><span class="push-right">217F 05/15 20:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuinghoooo/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuinghoooo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這種折扣還不買進？？</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/15 20:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/himiller/push?y=26" target="_blank">himiller</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來大家都不看好大盤往上了 這麼希望市值型的往下</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/15 21:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/STi2011/push?y=26" target="_blank">STi2011</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 也不到1%啊</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/15 21:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okay1993/push?y=26" target="_blank">okay1993</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 0050垃圾外資一直賣怎麼沒人靠杯</span><span class="push-right">221F 05/15 21:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coffee112/push?y=26" target="_blank">coffee112</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗚嗚嗚</span><span class="push-right">222F 05/15 21:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/PTTMAXQQ/push?y=26" target="_blank">PTTMAXQQ</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 破發了破發了 酷</span><span class="push-right">223F 05/15 23:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joy2105feh/push?y=26" target="_blank">joy2105feh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是 這檔的持股算滿優質的吧 大家都已經預測這裡高</span><span class="push-right">224F 05/15 23:47</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/joy2105feh/push?y=26" target="_blank">joy2105feh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 點嗎</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/godknows29/push?y=26" target="_blank">godknows29</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 上面破發圖好笑</span><span class="push-right">226F 05/16 01:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/love9115566/push?y=26" target="_blank">love9115566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 虧我第一天支持50張，加油吧</span><span class="push-right">227F 05/16 02:07</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zxcvb7700/push?y=26" target="_blank">zxcvb7700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 放心下禮拜還有405</span><span class="push-right">228F 05/16 02:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/angratime/push?y=26" target="_blank">angratime</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: QQ</span><span class="push-right">229F 05/16 02:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zipupup/push?y=26" target="_blank">zipupup</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 希望403被套的我看個股也好不到哪去吧？搞不好個股</span><span class="push-right">230F 05/16 06:00</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zipupup/push?y=26" target="_blank">zipupup</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還死的更慘喔</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/et69523820/push?y=26" target="_blank">et69523820</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價1%正常範圍 2%不建議追 偏高要買還是可以買</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/16 06:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/et69523820/push?y=26" target="_blank">et69523820</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 3%以上 就會有人來套利了 3%以上完全不建議追買</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/liaojc1688/push?y=26" target="_blank">liaojc1688</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跌到五元再來撿，安捏賀嗯賀</span><span class="push-right">234F 05/16 07:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linfuon/push?y=26" target="_blank">linfuon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 9元就要來歐印瞜</span><span class="push-right">235F 05/16 08:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 樓上和樓樓上真的不安好心 為了買到便宜的403a希望</span><span class="push-right">236F 05/16 09:18</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okucts/push?y=26" target="_blank">okucts</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大盤跌一萬甚至兩萬點 要大家的財產一起陪葬</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/GABA/push?y=26" target="_blank">GABA</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00940A: 嘻嘻</span><span class="push-right">238F 05/16 12:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cruisewu2003/push?y=26" target="_blank">cruisewu2003</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 逃啊</span><span class="push-right">239F 05/16 16:12</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre> paidzou. http://disp.cc/b/205-i3SO 2026-05-15T16:12:44+08:00 2026-05-16T21:19:13+08:00

1. 標題：0515 上市外資買賣超排行 2. 來源：TWSE 3. 網址：https://www.twse.com.tw/zh/trading/foreign/twt38u.html 4. 內文： 買超排行 證券代號 證券名稱 買超張數 3481 群創 91,015 2881 富邦金 60,621 2317 鴻海 59,174 6770 力積電 56,009 2887 台新新光金 47,700 009820 元大納斯達克精選 37,316 2882 國泰金 29,280 2027 大成鋼 23,026 2344 ...]]>

<pre><div style="color:#C0C0C0;background-color:#000; font-family:mingliu; white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word; padding:0 .3em 0 .3em;"><div style="background-color:#000080;line-height:100%;"><div style="float:right;"><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 看板 </span> Stock </div><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 作者 </span> paidzou ()<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 標題 </span> [情報] 0515 上市外資買賣超排行<br /><span style="color:#000080;background-color:#C0C0C0"> 時間 </span> Fri May 15 16:12:44 2026</div><hr color="#008080" /> 1. 標題：0515 上市外資買賣超排行 2. 來源：TWSE 3. 網址：<a href="https://www.twse.com.tw/zh/trading/foreign/twt38u.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.twse.com.tw/zh/trading/foreign/twt38u.html</a> 4. 內文： 買超排行 <div class="ansi_group" data-img="/img/ansi/e/e79ccf32836.png" data-width="480" data-height="1020"><div class="ansi">證券代號 證券名稱 買超張數</div> <div class="ansi">3481 群創 91,015</div> <div class="ansi">2881 富邦金 60,621</div> <div class="ansi">2317 鴻海 59,174</div> <div class="ansi">6770 力積電 56,009</div> <div class="ansi">2887 台新新光金 47,700</div> <div class="ansi">009820 元大納斯達克精選 37,316</div> <div class="ansi">2882 國泰金 29,280</div> <div class="ansi">2027 大成鋼 23,026</div> <div class="ansi">2344 華邦電 16,049</div> <div class="ansi">6239 力成 15,569</div> <div class="ansi">2356 英業達 13,576</div> <div class="ansi">2891 中信金 13,250</div> <div class="ansi">1216 統一 11,335</div> <div class="ansi">00631L 元大台灣50正2 10,420</div> <div class="ansi">2409 友達 9,703</div> <div class="ansi">2303 聯電 9,418</div> <div class="ansi">2890 永豐金 9,355</div> <div class="ansi">00400A 主動國泰動能高息 8,808</div> <div class="ansi">2892 第一金 8,162</div> <div class="ansi">2606 裕民 7,122</div> <div class="ansi">2374 佳能 6,650</div> <div class="ansi">00999A 主動野村臺灣高息 6,564</div> <div class="ansi">2105 正新 6,374</div> <div class="ansi">2886 兆豐金 5,511</div> <div class="ansi">3006 晶豪科 5,364</div> <div class="ansi">2327 國巨* 5,182</div> <div class="ansi">00940 元大台灣價值高息 4,997</div> <div class="ansi">9105 泰金寶-DR 4,910</div> <div class="ansi">2867 三商壽 4,642</div> <div class="ansi">5876 上海商銀 4,626</div> <div class="ansi">4540 全球傳動 4,459</div> <div class="ansi">2312 金寶 4,208</div> <div class="ansi">2883 凱基金 3,991</div> <div class="ansi">3704 合勤控 3,822</div> <div class="ansi">3048 益登 3,763</div> <div class="ansi">2449 京元電子 3,760</div> <div class="ansi">9914 美利達 3,661</div> <div class="ansi">6005 群益證 3,652</div> <div class="ansi">4906 正文 3,591</div> <div class="ansi">3045 台灣大 3,585</div> <div class="ansi">6285 啟碁 3,510</div> <div class="ansi">2365 昆盈 3,386</div> <div class="ansi">2884 玉山金 3,384</div> <div class="ansi">3033 威健 3,322</div> <div class="ansi">1904 正隆 3,262</div> <div class="ansi">8926 台汽電 3,184</div> <div class="ansi">2489 瑞軒 3,049</div> <div class="ansi">1582 信錦 2,945</div> <div class="ansi">3149 正達 2,873</div> <div class="ansi">2464 盟立 2,732</div> </div> 賣超排行 <div class="ansi_group" data-img="/img/ansi/3/3ab730e2896.png" data-width="480" data-height="1020"><div class="ansi">證券代號 證券名稱 賣超張數</div> <div class="ansi">00403A 主動統一升級50 -403,619</div> <div class="ansi">00981A 主動統一台股增長 -67,699</div> <div class="ansi">2324 仁寶 -63,722</div> <div class="ansi">00878 國泰永續高股息 -32,224</div> <div class="ansi">00991A 主動復華未來50 -29,474</div> <div class="ansi">2382 廣達 -27,151</div> <div class="ansi">00992A 主動群益科技創新 -25,389</div> <div class="ansi">0050 元大台灣50 -24,067</div> <div class="ansi">2408 南亞科 -23,727</div> <div class="ansi">2801 彰銀 -22,864</div> <div class="ansi">009816 凱基台灣TOP50 -20,395</div> <div class="ansi">2367 燿華 -16,538</div> <div class="ansi">2002 中鋼 -15,015</div> <div class="ansi">2834 臺企銀 -14,648</div> <div class="ansi">2313 華通 -14,449</div> <div class="ansi">1101 台泥 -13,077</div> <div class="ansi">1303 南亞 -12,873</div> <div class="ansi">00990A 主動元大AI新經濟 -12,207</div> <div class="ansi">0052 富邦科技 -11,925</div> <div class="ansi">1402 遠東新 -11,082</div> <div class="ansi">4958 臻鼎-KY -10,036</div> <div class="ansi">6116 彩晶 -9,163</div> <div class="ansi">2353 宏碁 -8,952</div> <div class="ansi">1802 台玻 -8,857</div> <div class="ansi">0056 元大高股息 -8,699</div> <div class="ansi">2603 長榮 -8,145</div> <div class="ansi">8112 至上 -7,778</div> <div class="ansi">2485 兆赫 -7,479</div> <div class="ansi">1717 長興 -7,414</div> <div class="ansi">2355 敬鵬 -7,102</div> <div class="ansi">2812 台中銀 -6,935</div> <div class="ansi">1102 亞泥 -6,915</div> <div class="ansi">3189 景碩 -6,897</div> <div class="ansi">1301 台塑 -6,593</div> <div class="ansi">3037 欣興 -6,133</div> <div class="ansi">8110 華東 -5,659</div> <div class="ansi">3706 神達 -5,554</div> <div class="ansi">3715 定穎投控 -5,497</div> <div class="ansi">2354 鴻準 -5,466</div> <div class="ansi">6278 台表科 -5,410</div> <div class="ansi">2633 台灣高鐵 -5,265</div> <div class="ansi">2609 陽明 -5,245</div> <div class="ansi">1314 中石化 -5,189</div> <div class="ansi">3231 緯創 -4,955</div> <div class="ansi">00712 復華富時不動產 -4,545</div> <div 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class="ptt-push-content">: 99公公</span><span class="push-right">31F 05/15 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LargerThanU/push?y=26" target="_blank">LargerThanU</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下賤小兒</span><span class="push-right">32F 05/15 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/eastereaster/push?y=26" target="_blank">eastereaster</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 仁寶？</span><span class="push-right">33F 05/15 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wwrand23/push?y=26" target="_blank">wwrand23</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買正2 是什麼騷操作</span><span class="push-right">34F 05/15 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tbiarenas/push?y=26" target="_blank">tbiarenas</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 救救廣達...</span><span class="push-right">35F 05/15 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c800/push?y=26" target="_blank">c800</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00403A準備破發</span><span class="push-right">36F 05/15 16:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/modhairs/push?y=26" target="_blank">modhairs</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99 GG</span><span class="push-right">37F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/auy51/push?y=26" target="_blank">auy51</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻海外資要套多久</span><span class="push-right">38F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w22519352/push?y=26" target="_blank">w22519352</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感謝外資讓我買到特價的981</span><span class="push-right">39F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/steven3QXD/push?y=26" target="_blank">steven3QXD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99力...欸小兒買了15k</span><span class="push-right">40F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99肉鬆</span><span class="push-right">41F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Robert0213/push?y=26" target="_blank">Robert0213</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華邦內資外資都買，是真買還是隔日沖 ?_?</span><span class="push-right">42F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/huhu0727/push?y=26" target="_blank">huhu0727</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99臻鼎</span><span class="push-right">43F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/adolph666/push?y=26" target="_blank">adolph666</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 00403蛋雕</span><span class="push-right">44F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovehan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovehan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子居然是買超……</span><span class="push-right">45F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qa1122z/push?y=26" target="_blank">qa1122z</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 安啦，403A申購價10元現在沒有溢價，不會再跌了啦，</span><span class="push-right">46F 05/15 16:16</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qa1122z/push?y=26" target="_blank">qa1122z</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 10元是宇宙無敵鋼底，不會破發啦（咦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/manboisold/push?y=26" target="_blank">manboisold</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ABF大出貨</span><span class="push-right">48F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/XXXXCOW/push?y=26" target="_blank">XXXXCOW</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 南電獨立在上面</span><span class="push-right">49F 05/15 16:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s8900117/push?y=26" target="_blank">s8900117</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 40萬</span><span class="push-right">50F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/koi33000/push?y=26" target="_blank">koi33000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資有幾張403可以倒 每天都倒幾十萬張</span><span class="push-right">51F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BDroach/push?y=26" target="_blank">BDroach</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 萎創XD</span><span class="push-right">52F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as3366700/push?y=26" target="_blank">as3366700</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動送錢給小兒</span><span class="push-right">53F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/holyseraph/push?y=26" target="_blank">holyseraph</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99公公，公公又離199公公越來越近了</span><span class="push-right">54F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A等9元在買囉~~</span><span class="push-right">55F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/touchbird/push?y=26" target="_blank">touchbird</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 干 外資整天搞主動式就好了</span><span class="push-right">56F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodevening/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodevening</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 大買美利達 外資看到啥了</span><span class="push-right">57F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/coffee112/push?y=26" target="_blank">coffee112</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買正二??</span><span class="push-right">58F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/monz3761/push?y=26" target="_blank">monz3761</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買正二，是覺得低點到了準備吃反彈嗎</span><span class="push-right">59F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntuegg/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntuegg</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華邦電誰在賣啦幹</span><span class="push-right">60F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lovehan/push?y=26" target="_blank">lovehan</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A居然還有庫存可以倒</span><span class="push-right">61F 05/15 16:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/a11011788/push?y=26" target="_blank">a11011788</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子好吃</span><span class="push-right">62F 05/15 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/chirui2266/push?y=26" target="_blank">chirui2266</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99華通，不要再隔日沖</span><span class="push-right">63F 05/15 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tomdavis/push?y=26" target="_blank">tomdavis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資繼續申購便宜的403A 溢價賣給高價買進的散戶</span><span class="push-right">64F 05/15 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ntr203/push?y=26" target="_blank">ntr203</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 名字取錯了 應該換00981v才對</span><span class="push-right">65F 05/15 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dk611216/push?y=26" target="_blank">dk611216</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資到底看到公公有什麼潛力？一直買</span><span class="push-right">66F 05/15 16:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z50502/push?y=26" target="_blank">z50502</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99牙科</span><span class="push-right">67F 05/15 16:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/opticalman/push?y=26" target="_blank">opticalman</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 假外資狙擊主動</span><span class="push-right">68F 05/15 16:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ibanes/push?y=26" target="_blank">ibanes</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙科被倒爛QQ</span><span class="push-right">69F 05/15 16:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jambo0204/push?y=26" target="_blank">jambo0204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99京...啥？買超？</span><span class="push-right">70F 05/15 16:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/holyseraph/push?y=26" target="_blank">holyseraph</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻海廣達昨天一起開法會，結果外資只護航鴻海...</span><span class="push-right">71F 05/15 16:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哇靠，鴻海買6萬張</span><span class="push-right">72F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lokagh/push?y=26" target="_blank">lokagh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: abf賣不停</span><span class="push-right">73F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/olampaboy/push?y=26" target="_blank">olampaboy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 救救載板</span><span class="push-right">74F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Purekim/push?y=26" target="_blank">Purekim</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙科現撿現套 哭阿-.-</span><span class="push-right">75F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/x58420/push?y=26" target="_blank">x58420</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99</span><span class="push-right">76F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資也被套嗎? 為何第三天了還有這麼大賣壓?</span><span class="push-right">77F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gygygy0917/push?y=26" target="_blank">gygygy0917</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99華邦電</span><span class="push-right">78F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/SphereDavid/push?y=26" target="_blank">SphereDavid</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403繼續倒</span><span class="push-right">79F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sexybox/push?y=26" target="_blank">sexybox</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403倒垃圾 笑死</span><span class="push-right">80F 05/15 16:20</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/andyHYK1998/push?y=26" target="_blank">andyHYK1998</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死誰在倒國巨 外資投信都買ㄉㄠ</span><span class="push-right">81F 05/15 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/STi2011/push?y=26" target="_blank">STi2011</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 統一 XD</span><span class="push-right">82F 05/15 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/facio124/push?y=26" target="_blank">facio124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99 國巨</span><span class="push-right">83F 05/15 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s9815149/push?y=26" target="_blank">s9815149</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資是不是套牢鴻海啊...</span><span class="push-right">84F 05/15 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/riceton/push?y=26" target="_blank">riceton</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 邦邦都散戶在賣484</span><span class="push-right">85F 05/15 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Jason777/push?y=26" target="_blank">Jason777</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又倒華通，外資是被狗淦？</span><span class="push-right">86F 05/15 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asjh612/push?y=26" target="_blank">asjh612</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資買成分股然後回來倒給想要再次級市場就好==</span><span class="push-right">87F 05/15 16:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/showhere/push?y=26" target="_blank">showhere</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看一下鴻海營收 跟廣達營收</span><span class="push-right">88F 05/15 16:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看起來有一波高點逃難到公公的…</span><span class="push-right">89F 05/15 16:22</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/flame1030/push?y=26" target="_blank">flame1030</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99牙科</span><span class="push-right">90F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/n555123/push?y=26" target="_blank">n555123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99</span><span class="push-right">91F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公散戶被整到信心不足，稍微解套就賣一堆</span><span class="push-right">92F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/powwwww/push?y=26" target="_blank">powwwww</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資也愛玩正二啊</span><span class="push-right">93F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/xyzgod999/push?y=26" target="_blank">xyzgod999</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資買南電 99啊</span><span class="push-right">94F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻海毛利升，廣達毛利降，就這麼簡單</span><span class="push-right">95F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/checkmarx/push?y=26" target="_blank">checkmarx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 981</span><span class="push-right">96F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ccoca/push?y=26" target="_blank">ccoca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小兒是不是也有看批踢踢</span><span class="push-right">97F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/onepiece7/push?y=26" target="_blank">onepiece7</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公買一堆還是只能這樣www</span><span class="push-right">98F 05/15 16:23</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tomdavis/push?y=26" target="_blank">tomdavis</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這下鴻海外資250買20萬張了</span><span class="push-right">99F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/UC93/push?y=26" target="_blank">UC93</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403</span><span class="push-right">100F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/superRKO/push?y=26" target="_blank">superRKO</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公真的被救起來了嗎</span><span class="push-right">101F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/as305602/push?y=26" target="_blank">as305602</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99公公</span><span class="push-right">102F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tigerzz3/push?y=26" target="_blank">tigerzz3</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動 割起來</span><span class="push-right">103F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/NTUST/push?y=26" target="_blank">NTUST</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 南亞科直接倒爛</span><span class="push-right">104F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/InTheLAR/push?y=26" target="_blank">InTheLAR</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 森威能源沒賣掉欸 是不是有戲</span><span class="push-right">105F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/vltw5v/push?y=26" target="_blank">vltw5v</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A自救會成立了嗎</span><span class="push-right">106F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/oneeyewolf/push?y=26" target="_blank">oneeyewolf</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 京元電子越買價格越低是怎樣</span><span class="push-right">107F 05/15 16:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/holyseraph/push?y=26" target="_blank">holyseraph</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資最近一個月大買公公50萬張，根本被公公套牢了</span><span class="push-right">108F 05/15 16:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ma721/push?y=26" target="_blank">ma721</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 紅茶</span><span class="push-right">109F 05/15 16:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HumanBenzene/push?y=26" target="_blank">HumanBenzene</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 國巨誰在賣啦</span><span class="push-right">110F 05/15 16:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Hfy0920/push?y=26" target="_blank">Hfy0920</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 投信外資還是狂買華邦電耶 反而南亞科被丟掉了</span><span class="push-right">111F 05/15 16:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mihu923/push?y=26" target="_blank">mihu923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: etf應該要感謝外資賣吧，幫忙降溢價</span><span class="push-right">112F 05/15 16:25</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/airsky12/push?y=26" target="_blank">airsky12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資買+2???</span><span class="push-right">113F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s9815149/push?y=26" target="_blank">s9815149</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 前幾天投信還有丟，現在沒丟了鴻海還是買不太起來.</span><span class="push-right">114F 05/15 16:26</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s9815149/push?y=26" target="_blank">s9815149</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ..</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zerofield/push?y=26" target="_blank">zerofield</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99公公 韭菜一直被割</span><span class="push-right">116F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ivanlsag/push?y=26" target="_blank">ivanlsag</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 頎邦誰買的</span><span class="push-right">117F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哲哲這個新的女郎不太行耶，只會附和是是是</span><span class="push-right">118F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Yuijian/push?y=26" target="_blank">Yuijian</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 竟然有買我的400A</span><span class="push-right">119F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cychi/push?y=26" target="_blank">cychi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動統一蛋雕</span><span class="push-right">120F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公的股東都太保守 外資一買就全跑光</span><span class="push-right">121F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/odbc/push?y=26" target="_blank">odbc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 富邦金為什麼今天成交量這麼大 @@</span><span class="push-right">122F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cage820518/push?y=26" target="_blank">cage820518</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99403</span><span class="push-right">123F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cool189/push?y=26" target="_blank">cool189</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公6萬張漲4元……</span><span class="push-right">124F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sck5211/push?y=26" target="_blank">sck5211</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99光聖</span><span class="push-right">125F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zerofield/push?y=26" target="_blank">zerofield</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不是買不太起來 是散戶一直被割韭菜 這樣才能漲</span><span class="push-right">126F 05/15 16:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼公公反而買那麼多</span><span class="push-right">127F 05/15 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/snoopyboy123/push?y=26" target="_blank">snoopyboy123</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403賣40萬張 小兒惡意滿滿 難逃破發了</span><span class="push-right">128F 05/15 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/dynamo/push?y=26" target="_blank">dynamo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 牙科誰接走了，3XX很敢</span><span class="push-right">129F 05/15 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wait0315/push?y=26" target="_blank">wait0315</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 救救403A 外資賣太多了吧!!&gt;_&lt;</span><span class="push-right">130F 05/15 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在權值股就公公炒不起來啊 因為散戶一直在婊外資</span><span class="push-right">131F 05/15 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/msd28437/push?y=26" target="_blank">msd28437</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來外資也中招</span><span class="push-right">132F 05/15 16:27</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/libraannie/push?y=26" target="_blank">libraannie</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99京元電？買超？</span><span class="push-right">133F 05/15 16:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tvc1004/push?y=26" target="_blank">tvc1004</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99南亞科，仁寶算了</span><span class="push-right">134F 05/15 16:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Hfy0920/push?y=26" target="_blank">Hfy0920</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這樣上詮都散戶在跑喔</span><span class="push-right">135F 05/15 16:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/david8339/push?y=26" target="_blank">david8339</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天403a 10元有10萬張死守 超精彩</span><span class="push-right">136F 05/15 16:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/msnc3mi/push?y=26" target="_blank">msnc3mi</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小兒：我啥都沒做 怎麼這麼多鑽石在地上</span><span class="push-right">137F 05/15 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iamaq18c/push?y=26" target="_blank">iamaq18c</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A被倒爛</span><span class="push-right">138F 05/15 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/holyseraph/push?y=26" target="_blank">holyseraph</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資: 聽說今天是403A上天第四天，那就繼續送給你</span><span class="push-right">139F 05/15 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fatb/push?y=26" target="_blank">fatb</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自己的ETF自己守護</span><span class="push-right">140F 05/15 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w08445566/push?y=26" target="_blank">w08445566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 下週拉高到貨</span><span class="push-right">141F 05/15 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/omanorboyo/push?y=26" target="_blank">omanorboyo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主套式一直賣</span><span class="push-right">142F 05/15 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sing60905/push?y=26" target="_blank">sing60905</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403真笑死我 就跟你們說大家都要申購就不要 不聽= =</span><span class="push-right">143F 05/15 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/super1937/push?y=26" target="_blank">super1937</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 黃董!!!</span><span class="push-right">144F 05/15 16:29</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pipi2/push?y=26" target="_blank">pipi2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以後拿木板當載板就好了</span><span class="push-right">145F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/cct1121/push?y=26" target="_blank">cct1121</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 撿一堆包子</span><span class="push-right">146F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jeffofpower1/push?y=26" target="_blank">jeffofpower1</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 京元電不賣了?</span><span class="push-right">147F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/boydoop/push?y=26" target="_blank">boydoop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買華邦倒牙科</span><span class="push-right">148F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ETF派隊看起來要結束了 相關個股之後可能很驚采</span><span class="push-right">149F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Johnwusak/push?y=26" target="_blank">Johnwusak</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99gg</span><span class="push-right">150F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ShenMayn/push?y=26" target="_blank">ShenMayn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403豪猛</span><span class="push-right">151F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/maimss/push?y=26" target="_blank">maimss</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資也懂正二？</span><span class="push-right">152F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/km1201/push?y=26" target="_blank">km1201</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99公公</span><span class="push-right">153F 05/15 16:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/holyseraph/push?y=26" target="_blank">holyseraph</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A現在10元應該算公道價了吧，外資下周不倒了吧?</span><span class="push-right">154F 05/15 16:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kings5515/push?y=26" target="_blank">kings5515</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 878不是要除息了？賣這麼兇</span><span class="push-right">155F 05/15 16:31</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/misthide/push?y=26" target="_blank">misthide</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 所以GG果然是自營在亂殺嗎</span><span class="push-right">156F 05/15 16:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/keltt/push?y=26" target="_blank">keltt</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小兒丟我撿，下禮拜教訓小兒</span><span class="push-right">157F 05/15 16:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason168/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason168</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買正二應該是套昨天折價的價差？</span><span class="push-right">158F 05/15 16:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不公平啊，鴻海獲利也是年增10%，廣達也是年增10%</span><span class="push-right">159F 05/15 16:32</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 憑什麼廣達被殺爛公公還漲</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Aerogel/push?y=26" target="_blank">Aerogel</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰在賣公公</span><span class="push-right">161F 05/15 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/LeafLu/push?y=26" target="_blank">LeafLu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 好多403</span><span class="push-right">162F 05/15 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fallinlove15/push?y=26" target="_blank">fallinlove15</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 展望最好的應該是廣達 結果被倒爛 反而買公公</span><span class="push-right">163F 05/15 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 廣達開出炸裂好營收也沒有狂噴啊</span><span class="push-right">164F 05/15 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/afflic/push?y=26" target="_blank">afflic</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 一個三率三增一個三率三降……</span><span class="push-right">165F 05/15 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 憑什麼開出爛毛利要殺爛</span><span class="push-right">166F 05/15 16:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qa1122z/push?y=26" target="_blank">qa1122z</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 除非403A成分股跌爛，淨值低於10元且溢價，那就有可</span><span class="push-right">167F 05/15 16:34</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qa1122z/push?y=26" target="_blank">qa1122z</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 能繼續</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/house911/push?y=26" target="_blank">house911</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外豬 主動又賺翻 ??</span><span class="push-right">169F 05/15 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 不管怎樣升怎樣降，最後要看賺多少錢吧</span><span class="push-right">170F 05/15 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kobed/push?y=26" target="_blank">kobed</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在淨值9.94 誰跟你公道價10元</span><span class="push-right">171F 05/15 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/whitedeath/push?y=26" target="_blank">whitedeath</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外豬：想要etf的慘戶通通都給你啦</span><span class="push-right">172F 05/15 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/house911/push?y=26" target="_blank">house911</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買高息 賣主動 ?</span><span class="push-right">173F 05/15 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/waynn1215/push?y=26" target="_blank">waynn1215</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 992327</span><span class="push-right">174F 05/15 16:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 犧牲營收換毛利，跟犧牲毛利換營收，賺一樣的錢，</span><span class="push-right">175F 05/15 16:35</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是差在哪啦</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/qa1122z/push?y=26" target="_blank">qa1122z</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 什麼！淨值已經破發？玩惹玩惹，一切都玩惹</span><span class="push-right">177F 05/15 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/psx/push?y=26" target="_blank">psx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ABF又沒fu糗了？</span><span class="push-right">178F 05/15 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tctv2002/push?y=26" target="_blank">tctv2002</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 走了940老路 歷史總是令人相似</span><span class="push-right">179F 05/15 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mihu923/push?y=26" target="_blank">mihu923</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ETF看淨值就好，賣超根本沒什麼差吧</span><span class="push-right">180F 05/15 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hkcdc/push?y=26" target="_blank">hkcdc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買正2</span><span class="push-right">181F 05/15 16:35</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hate56/push?y=26" target="_blank">hate56</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 到底是有多少貨可以倒阿</span><span class="push-right">182F 05/15 16:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 跟外資講啊，今年去年12月緯創、3月鴻海就是被殺毛</span><span class="push-right">183F 05/15 16:36</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 利</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zergtide/push?y=26" target="_blank">zergtide</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 西瓜金 投信倒少了 直接噴上去</span><span class="push-right">185F 05/15 16:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rosenzulu/push?y=26" target="_blank">rosenzulu</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 仁寶到底惹到誰啊 投信外資沒人要</span><span class="push-right">186F 05/15 16:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iphone15s/push?y=26" target="_blank">iphone15s</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: abf is over</span><span class="push-right">187F 05/15 16:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 淨值每天都在變，盤後追那個沒意義</span><span class="push-right">188F 05/15 16:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JieCheng1202/push?y=26" target="_blank">JieCheng1202</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 47萬張便宜賣 快來接手</span><span class="push-right">189F 05/15 16:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CANHAPPY/push?y=26" target="_blank">CANHAPPY</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式蛋雕</span><span class="push-right">190F 05/15 16:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 緯穎也是在那邊藉口毛利差殺爛演半天，最後一樣創</span><span class="push-right">191F 05/15 16:40</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 高噴爛</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 廣達有種給我回280、250林北給你買爆</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/tfoxboy123/push?y=26" target="_blank">tfoxboy123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 自救會</span><span class="push-right">194F 05/15 16:40</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yellone741/push?y=26" target="_blank">yellone741</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻海到底多廢都買不上去…</span><span class="push-right">195F 05/15 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/inurry/push?y=26" target="_blank">inurry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 海公公被ETF踢掉 其他的比較好賺</span><span class="push-right">196F 05/15 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian040818/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian040818</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 出一堆主動 現在動不動就人踩人</span><span class="push-right">197F 05/15 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/j32072/push?y=26" target="_blank">j32072</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華通隔日沖讚讚 m頭漂亮</span><span class="push-right">198F 05/15 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lilac0909/push?y=26" target="_blank">lilac0909</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 嗯嗯外資賣981A 買被981A剔除的公公</span><span class="push-right">199F 05/15 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/inurry/push?y=26" target="_blank">inurry</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公的車輕了不少</span><span class="push-right">200F 05/15 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/sunday0913/push?y=26" target="_blank">sunday0913</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子突然又香起來了？</span><span class="push-right">201F 05/15 16:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/holyseraph/push?y=26" target="_blank">holyseraph</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果廣達和鴻海股價黃金交叉，廣達買在350要怎麼辦?</span><span class="push-right">202F 05/15 16:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/towierc/push?y=26" target="_blank">towierc</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主套式基金</span><span class="push-right">203F 05/15 16:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/goodman5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">goodman5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ABF 當垃圾倒==</span><span class="push-right">204F 05/15 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公太難漲 散戶太保守一直在跑 外資只好一直買</span><span class="push-right">205F 05/15 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s832015825/push?y=26" target="_blank">s832015825</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 緯影</span><span class="push-right">206F 05/15 16:44</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JChou716/push?y=26" target="_blank">JChou716</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 笑死 一堆公黑跟說外資公公套牢的 要不要看看你們在</span><span class="push-right">207F 05/15 16:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JChou716/push?y=26" target="_blank">JChou716</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 說什麼</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lottepudgy/push?y=26" target="_blank">lottepudgy</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GGGG</span><span class="push-right">209F 05/15 16:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuen1029/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuen1029</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99大立光</span><span class="push-right">210F 05/15 16:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/VincentF/push?y=26" target="_blank">VincentF</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 992356…疑怎麼是買超</span><span class="push-right">211F 05/15 16:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/talesh35624/push?y=26" target="_blank">talesh35624</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資的403A 賺爛</span><span class="push-right">212F 05/15 16:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 等散戶跑光籌碼在外資手上 後面就看要不要拉飆股了</span><span class="push-right">213F 05/15 16:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/haley80208/push?y=26" target="_blank">haley80208</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子洗成這樣居然買超？</span><span class="push-right">214F 05/15 16:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/simba1222/push?y=26" target="_blank">simba1222</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: GG是什麼路邊股票嗎，還在賣</span><span class="push-right">215F 05/15 16:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 仁寶要買十萬張庫藏股，現在大家是在幫忙壓價喔</span><span class="push-right">216F 05/15 16:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gremon131/push?y=26" target="_blank">gremon131</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又是大麥克主動的一天</span><span class="push-right">217F 05/15 16:49</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fly0204/push?y=26" target="_blank">fly0204</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 相信黃董</span><span class="push-right">218F 05/15 16:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在ETF有在買的可能外資都在倒貨…</span><span class="push-right">219F 05/15 16:50</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻海上檔的套牢量就外資搞得</span><span class="push-right">220F 05/15 16:50</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以外資的實力，整個跨過去也不南。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 溢價5%散戶都在買 外資剛好全部倒貨 連個股一起倒</span><span class="push-right">222F 05/15 16:51</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻海外資成本持續墊高，…懂得都懂</span><span class="push-right">223F 05/15 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 反正都一堆拉到天價了 有ETF在買 這時不賣要何時賣</span><span class="push-right">224F 05/15 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/softwords/push?y=26" target="_blank">softwords</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 馬的 公公真的最後一棒？</span><span class="push-right">225F 05/15 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Bashar/push?y=26" target="_blank">Bashar</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動散戶買成這樣 至少沒跌個15%20%甩不掉的</span><span class="push-right">226F 05/15 16:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公是外資很好的資金避風港</span><span class="push-right">227F 05/15 16:52</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 割完韭菜飆股的錢就是放公公</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigDDDDDDDD/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigDDDDDDDD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99二弟</span><span class="push-right">229F 05/15 16:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kychen/push?y=26" target="_blank">kychen</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 狂賣主動就飽了</span><span class="push-right">230F 05/15 16:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/gn7722/push?y=26" target="_blank">gn7722</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這池子夠大，買爛也沒啥漲，也很符合外資需求</span><span class="push-right">231F 05/15 16:53</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資真的在找那種沒怎漲的在買</span><span class="push-right">232F 05/15 16:53</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 連光寶這種之前狂倒的都可以跑回來買就知道</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 沒什麼漲的基本面又好的 之後資金大逃殺剛好一鍋端</span><span class="push-right">234F 05/15 16:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/rekomiss04/push?y=26" target="_blank">rekomiss04</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 載板通通丟掉</span><span class="push-right">235F 05/15 16:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yieh/push?y=26" target="_blank">yieh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣ETF 讓投信壓股價？</span><span class="push-right">236F 05/15 16:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 但如果看到連ETF都進來掃公公時就準備要跑了</span><span class="push-right">237F 05/15 16:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 還可以買到創高</span><span class="push-right">238F 05/15 16:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動本來就是給散戶買的</span><span class="push-right">239F 05/15 16:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wulaw5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">wulaw5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小兒只賣主動式，剩下究竟誰在賣。</span><span class="push-right">240F 05/15 16:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 其實仁寶也不錯，營收也開始年增了。</span><span class="push-right">241F 05/15 16:56</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 爛歸爛，但便宜就是王道。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公籌碼越來越輕</span><span class="push-right">243F 05/15 16:56</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ravelson/push?y=26" target="_blank">ravelson</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 營收持續變好就是種希望</span><span class="push-right">244F 05/15 16:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/windblood/push?y=26" target="_blank">windblood</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 華崩誰在賣啊=.=</span><span class="push-right">245F 05/15 16:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 現在局看起來就是ETF一直追高 外資趁機倒貨</span><span class="push-right">246F 05/15 16:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CGDGAD/push?y=26" target="_blank">CGDGAD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 981被蛋雕了</span><span class="push-right">247F 05/15 16:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/zpf2005/push?y=26" target="_blank">zpf2005</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403A是得罪誰了，倒不完</span><span class="push-right">248F 05/15 16:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/BRIANERIC2/push?y=26" target="_blank">BRIANERIC2</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: ETF一直追的個股都要小心 怎麼看都是在幫外資割散戶</span><span class="push-right">249F 05/15 16:58</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/CashHunter/push?y=26" target="_blank">CashHunter</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99載板啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊</span><span class="push-right">250F 05/15 16:59</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 這一波就是載板被割，要割多久就不知道了，有的人要</span><span class="push-right">251F 05/15 17:01</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 忍耐。</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/firelemon/push?y=26" target="_blank">firelemon</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幹 倒牙科 肏</span><span class="push-right">253F 05/15 17:01</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/OrangePest/push?y=26" target="_blank">OrangePest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99403A</span><span class="push-right">254F 05/15 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/HDMI30cm/push?y=26" target="_blank">HDMI30cm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99肉鬆QQ</span><span class="push-right">255F 05/15 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capazek/push?y=26" target="_blank">capazek</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 哇，小兒大出特出403</span><span class="push-right">256F 05/15 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Sinchiest/push?y=26" target="_blank">Sinchiest</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子好香</span><span class="push-right">257F 05/15 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/s901133124/push?y=26" target="_blank">s901133124</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403賺到流湯</span><span class="push-right">258F 05/15 17:02</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kenny945/push?y=26" target="_blank">kenny945</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 相信包子相信包子</span><span class="push-right">259F 05/15 17:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hotbeat/push?y=26" target="_blank">hotbeat</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 話說外資為何這麼多403</span><span class="push-right">260F 05/15 17:04</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mnxzq/push?y=26" target="_blank">mnxzq</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借券賣的吧 每天都收到借券通知</span><span class="push-right">261F 05/15 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/w147987/push?y=26" target="_blank">w147987</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 金金一直買 完全沒人在意</span><span class="push-right">262F 05/15 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/brian10207/push?y=26" target="_blank">brian10207</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散戶也倒聯電國巨 給外資 笑死</span><span class="push-right">263F 05/15 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/q8977452/push?y=26" target="_blank">q8977452</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資可以去申購403賣呀... 一直溢價 一直賣</span><span class="push-right">264F 05/15 17:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/blessman520/push?y=26" target="_blank">blessman520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 邦邦六萬多張 誰在出貨</span><span class="push-right">265F 05/15 17:11</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/bigDDDDDDDD/push?y=26" target="_blank">bigDDDDDDDD</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99二弟</span><span class="push-right">266F 05/15 17:12</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hakuoro/push?y=26" target="_blank">hakuoro</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 小兒到底申購多少403 可以這樣連續幾天倒了又倒嗎</span><span class="push-right">267F 05/15 17:13</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/lika32/push?y=26" target="_blank">lika32</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 299公公什麼時候才能看到</span><span class="push-right">268F 05/15 17:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/singlelove/push?y=26" target="_blank">singlelove</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻海一次幹六萬張，在250打底,有戲喔</span><span class="push-right">269F 05/15 17:15</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/km1201/push?y=26" target="_blank">km1201</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰在賣公公</span><span class="push-right">270F 05/15 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jasop/push?y=26" target="_blank">jasop</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 倒垃圾RRR</span><span class="push-right">271F 05/15 17:17</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fbtm/push?y=26" target="_blank">fbtm</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼外資要去買403?搞到現在倒不完</span><span class="push-right">272F 05/15 17:18</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FirePopcorn/push?y=26" target="_blank">FirePopcorn</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 垃圾主動式</span><span class="push-right">273F 05/15 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/leo1217000/push?y=26" target="_blank">leo1217000</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 賣50買正二，筆記筆記</span><span class="push-right">274F 05/15 17:19</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wscjoe/push?y=26" target="_blank">wscjoe</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 299公公 其他快逃 XDD</span><span class="push-right">275F 05/15 17:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/excercang/push?y=26" target="_blank">excercang</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 如果是刻意借來倒的話，跌到比940低也有可能了</span><span class="push-right">276F 05/15 17:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hankwanghow/push?y=26" target="_blank">hankwanghow</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 救救力成</span><span class="push-right">277F 05/15 17:24</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kfactor/push?y=26" target="_blank">kfactor</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99載板QQ</span><span class="push-right">278F 05/15 17:26</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stanleyplus/push?y=26" target="_blank">stanleyplus</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 慘戶山頂套 外資大收割~~~~~~~~~~~</span><span class="push-right">279F 05/15 17:28</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buffetta/push?y=26" target="_blank">buffetta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺外資在老AI選邊站了。公公垂直整合高，唯一可</span><span class="push-right">280F 05/15 17:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/buffetta/push?y=26" target="_blank">buffetta</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 以拉升毛利率的組裝廠</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mecca/push?y=26" target="_blank">mecca</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99981A</span><span class="push-right">282F 05/15 17:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kuso36520/push?y=26" target="_blank">kuso36520</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99牙科</span><span class="push-right">283F 05/15 17:32</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mdkn35/push?y=26" target="_blank">mdkn35</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 2881快100了 大家抓緊 要下去囉</span><span class="push-right">284F 05/15 17:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mopa/push?y=26" target="_blank">mopa</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 我以為外資狂砍981A的成份股，結果沒有耶</span><span class="push-right">285F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 別再搞一堆主動式 會死人的</span><span class="push-right">286F 05/15 17:34</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/wicer5566/push?y=26" target="_blank">wicer5566</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99牙科</span><span class="push-right">287F 05/15 17:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yannicklatte/push?y=26" target="_blank">yannicklatte</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403死去</span><span class="push-right">288F 05/15 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/stormNEW/push?y=26" target="_blank">stormNEW</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 早說主動每天公佈持股會出事</span><span class="push-right">289F 05/15 17:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/linkxx/push?y=26" target="_blank">linkxx</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: tsm +5%, GG -5塊…</span><span class="push-right">290F 05/15 17:42</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z8857006/push?y=26" target="_blank">z8857006</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 感覺403外資快倒完了 剩8萬多？？？ <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/JoCQrW.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/JoCQrW.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">291F 05/15 17:43</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z8857006/push?y=26" target="_blank">z8857006</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">:</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="369" data-ori_h="800" style="width:369px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/JoCQrW.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c928/push?y=26" target="_blank">c928</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 借券403a 40萬張？</span><span class="push-right">293F 05/15 17:43</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/z8857006/push?y=26" target="_blank">z8857006</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/VAeNZf.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/VAeNZf.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">294F 05/15 17:44</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="369" data-ori_h="800" style="width:369px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/VAeNZf.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kiboryin/push?y=26" target="_blank">kiboryin</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰在賣邦邦</span><span class="push-right">295F 05/15 17:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/c928/push?y=26" target="_blank">c928</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 看來外豬申購很多淨值價來賣，賺翻</span><span class="push-right">296F 05/15 17:47</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/nonomei/push?y=26" target="_blank">nonomei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 為什麼外資一直賣高鐵？資產股不香嗎？</span><span class="push-right">297F 05/15 17:48</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/FSGuitar/push?y=26" target="_blank">FSGuitar</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 狂賣耶</span><span class="push-right">298F 05/15 17:52</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/liang771122/push?y=26" target="_blank">liang771122</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公有AI、機器人、低軌衛星、矽光子，還不上500</span><span class="push-right">299F 05/15 17:54</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/iwcuforever/push?y=26" target="_blank">iwcuforever</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資明顯知道在洗盤啊，還買正二...</span><span class="push-right">300F 05/15 17:55</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/willy82617/push?y=26" target="_blank">willy82617</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99臻鼎</span><span class="push-right">301F 05/15 17:57</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/skuutama1122/push?y=26" target="_blank">skuutama1122</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外豬：聽說台灣人很瘋主動式ETF 天天餵你們幾十萬</span><span class="push-right">302F 05/15 18:09</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/skuutama1122/push?y=26" target="_blank">skuutama1122</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 張吃飽飽</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jason1258666/push?y=26" target="_blank">jason1258666</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 今天誰在賣台積</span><span class="push-right">304F 05/15 18:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ttlun/push?y=26" target="_blank">ttlun</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 999999</span><span class="push-right">305F 05/15 18:10</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資爆買力積電快60000張！！！</span><span class="push-right">306F 05/15 18:23</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Vanquze/push?y=26" target="_blank">Vanquze</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資開抄佳能快7000張….訊號來啦！！</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken123321987/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken123321987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 包子只是股價低才看起來多張 覆巢之下無完卵 外資</span><span class="push-right">308F 05/15 18:28</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/ken123321987/push?y=26" target="_blank">ken123321987</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 快買不動了 繼續加空 先空到30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/guowei616/push?y=26" target="_blank">guowei616</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資每天申購403再賣給散戶就賺飽了</span><span class="push-right">310F 05/15 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/hsuanYue/push?y=26" target="_blank">hsuanYue</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99瑤姐 華通QQ</span><span class="push-right">311F 05/15 18:33</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/luke0407123/push?y=26" target="_blank">luke0407123</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 散戶人踩人啊 台積外豬只賣三千張 ㄏㄏ</span><span class="push-right">312F 05/15 18:37</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/alpho/push?y=26" target="_blank">alpho</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 981和403都被倒爛 砸盤越來越好砸了</span><span class="push-right">313F 05/15 18:41</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/capcombio/push?y=26" target="_blank">capcombio</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 買正二賣0050？？</span><span class="push-right">314F 05/15 18:45</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/Miyagi13/push?y=26" target="_blank">Miyagi13</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資狂買華邦誒….</span><span class="push-right">315F 05/15 19:05</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fhill12/push?y=26" target="_blank">fhill12</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 403 &amp; 981</span><span class="push-right">316F 05/15 19:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/herculus6502/push?y=26" target="_blank">herculus6502</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 誰</span><span class="push-right">317F 05/15 19:21</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/shang17/push?y=26" target="_blank">shang17</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 邦邦積積誰在賣？盤中漲起來都被賣下去</span><span class="push-right">318F 05/15 19:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/asws0808/push?y=26" target="_blank">asws0808</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 鴻海買59k??怎麼一路烙</span><span class="push-right">319F 05/15 19:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/mynumber55/push?y=26" target="_blank">mynumber55</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 幹，臺企賣爽沒啦</span><span class="push-right">320F 05/15 20:09</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/fywei/push?y=26" target="_blank">fywei</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 外資好可憐</span><span class="push-right">321F 05/15 20:16</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/jonathanK/push?y=26" target="_blank">jonathanK</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 主動式真的害慘股市</span><span class="push-right">322F 05/15 20:30</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/JoSiRiUsJo/push?y=26" target="_blank">JoSiRiUsJo</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 是要認真拉黃董了嗎</span><span class="push-right">323F 05/15 21:38</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yuffie/push?y=26" target="_blank">yuffie</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 99公……咦？！</span><span class="push-right">324F 05/15 21:39</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okay1993/push?y=26" target="_blank">okay1993</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: <a href="https://i.mopix.cc/OdyoiP.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://i.mopix.cc/OdyoiP.jpg</a></span><span class="push-right">325F 05/15 21:44</span> <span style="color:#F00000">→ <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/okay1993/push?y=26" target="_blank">okay1993</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 又他媽的凱北幹</span></div> <div align="center"><div class="img" data-ori_w="369" data-ori_h="800" style="width:369px;height:800px"><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://i.mopix.cc/OdyoiP.jpg" alt="[圖]" /></div></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/pennappendix/push?y=26" target="_blank">pennappendix</a></span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 燿華一天買爆一天賣爆是要洗到脫皮喔？</span><span class="push-right">327F 05/15 22:36</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#FFF">推 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/kanehhh/push?y=26" target="_blank">kanehhh</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公是主動在賣嗎？</span><span class="push-right">328F 05/16 00:46</span></div> <div class="push_row"><span style="color:#F00000">噓 <span class="ptt-push-author"><a href="/ptt/user/yun1019/push?y=26" target="_blank">yun1019</a> </span></span><span class="ptt-push-content">: 公公爛</span><span class="push-right">329F 05/16 10:49</span></div> --</div><!--.ptt-push-group--></div></pre>